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The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot (talk) 18 May 2022 [1].

Black-breasted buttonquail

Nominator(s): Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:25, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about one of the rarest birds I've been lucky enough to see. Scoured sources. Got a thorough GA review. I think it is within striking distance of FA-hood. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:25, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass What map of Australia did you use to create File:Blackbreastedbuttonquailmap.png? Depending on the license it may require attribution. (t · c) buidhe 23:51, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Damn...been so long. map source added to template now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:19, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from WA8MTWAYC

"The smaller male measures up to 18 cm (7.1 in)" ==> what's the length of the females?
Gah, leftover bit from fiddling with lead - fixed now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Under Synonyms in the infobox, maybe you can put the publishing year (of the scientific name) behind the authors' names (if that's available)?
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Its underparts are dark grey" ==> this sentence is very short and can better be merged with another.
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"thickets.[9] and mature" ==> thickets,[9] and mature
oops! good catch Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"reports of young" ==> reports of Young
is chicks/changed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Quail, Queensland, Fraser Island, Inskip Point can/should be wiki-linked earlier in the article.
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's all I have. Nice work. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 11:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - WA8MTWAYC (talk) 06:52, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AK

Disclaimer: I haven't checked references and will be claiming credit at the Wikicup.
You could add some info about the bird's feeding and breeding habits in the lead.
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:41, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Under Synonyms in the infobox, maybe you can put the publishing year (of the scientific name) behind the authors' names (if that's available)?
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:29, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mention that the lead image shows a male bird.
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:29, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Found this on Flickr, might be useful in the description section.
tricky as birds are facing left and on wide screen this would collide with taxobox if in description section, so moved down page. Male generally has a little more black than Gould depicted but it is variable Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:13, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The female measures up to 19 cm (7.5 in) in length, while the smaller male reaches 18 cm (7.1 in)" The specific sex-wise lengths aren't given in the body, just a generic "length varies from 17–19 cm". In fact, Madge and McGowan (which cites that part) doesn't seem to give sex-wise length at all.
dammit - can't find the source for that bit but have aligned text. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:29, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Helm would be a better ref for the etymology and also gives it for the genus name.
switched - leaving genus to genus page unless you feel strongly about it Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:24, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Any cladogram for the species?
I've note found an infrageneric one for Turnix sadly Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:26, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
IOC should be IOU?
oops yes, switched Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:24, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"mur'rindum" should be italicized.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:29, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"of predominantly marbled black...brown" is clunky and an awkward read, perhaps "predominantly marbled black...brown in color" or similar would be better.
added "plumage" Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:43, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"grey gill" What's a gill (in birds)?
a typo. fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:41, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"770–1200 mm (30–48 in)" → Put in a convert template instead of manual conversions.
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:46, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
−2°C needs a convert template.
done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:46, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No vocalisations section? McGowan and Madge mentions a fair bit about them.
oops! that was an oversight! done now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Images need alt text.
ok added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:13, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I got. AryKun (talk) 12:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ok @AryKun: (finally) answered every query (had a busy few days IRL) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:13, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support on the basis of prose from me. AryKun (talk) 12:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild

Recusing to review.

"the female is larger and more distinctively coloured than the male, with a distinctive black head". Optional: can anything be done about the "distinctively ... distinctive" repetition?
changed first mention to "boldly" Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The male and female descriptions are in the same paragraph, but the juvenile description is split off into a single-sentence paragraph. Is there a reason?
no. merged Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:07, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"there were fears that they had suffered predation". I am unsure what this is saying. Is it known if the fears were justified? Does the past tense suggest that this is no longer feared?
I just removed the sentence as repeated in next one anyway Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:07, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"its habitat is fragmented." Link to Habitat fragmentation.
linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:29, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"dry rainforest". Any chance of an explanation for the lay reader of this oxymoronic term?
~~was gonna try and link somewhere...but need to figure (or create) a target page.~~ I have a (rather rudimentary) link now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:28, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"It is the only buttonquail found in rainforest and dune scrub systems." The dune scrub habitat seems a bit of a throw away. Could this not be (explicitly) mentioned earlier.
reorganised Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"indicate this is restricted from October to March". Should this be 'indicate this is restricted to from October to March'? (Or 'to between October and March (inclusive)'.)
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"at any time of year, suggesting opportune breeding can take place at any time." "at any time ... at any time."
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"hence this may be related to". I am a little unsure what "this" is.
it refers to the breeding season - thought it was unambiguous, not sure how to make it not sound repetititive...need to think about it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rereading and knowing in advance what is meant, it still (really) isn't clear (to me) that "this" is breeding. It is possible that you are trying to cram too much into the one sentence?

Yeah I can see where you're coming from. I've been ruminating about this. ~~Got a bit of a block.~~ Okay I tried this, what you think? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:52, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Crystal clear IMO.

"establishes a territory while the males often form small territories within." Either "while" → 'which' or add 'it' to the end.
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:21, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Link Pellet (ornithology).
was linked at first instance Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"though it might have been an artefact"> Perhaps "it" → 'this'?
tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
References: There seems to be inconsistency as to whether publisher locations are included.
dammit, must have missed them. removed now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:20, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"the Commonwealth". I suspect that many readers will not know which commonwealth is intended, or assume one other than that which is.
Fair point, seems natural to me but I am Australian so changed to this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:02, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think "Queensland" and "New South Wales" need to be in italic.
I'd been pondering this one - the two look funny unitalicised if the rest is..but then again the official names of the respective acts do not include the states..which renders them as simple adjectives not in title. Fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:59, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"reducing threats to the bird and improving their habitat to ensure survival". Singular at first mention and plural at second. ("the ... their")
aligned. Back to it - unexpectedly social few days... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful stuff. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:50, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just the one minor issue left, above. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:48, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by Mike Christie

Footnote numbers refer to this version.

You're inconsistent about including publisher locations in book sources. [4] and [5] have locations; none of the others do: [6], [9], [12], [13], [15], [17], [24], [26].
dammit, must have missed them. removed now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:20, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For [20], the archive link takes me to a page without the relevant information; if I can reach the right page by searching using the form on that page, I'd suggest adding a "loc=" parameter so the reader knows how to find the source.
updated the page now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:42, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources are reliable; there are old sources but they're used appropriately. No other formatting errors. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:28, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pass. Looks good. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:57, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hog Farm _Talk 15:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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