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John Howard

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request links: view edit delete watch

Filed: 01:29, May 27 2008 (UTC)

Involved parties

Bidgee (talk · contribs)
Blnguyen (talk · contribs)
Brendan (talk · contribs)
Gnangarra (talk · contribs)
Lester (talk · contribs), filing party
Master of Puppets (talk · contribs)
Merbabu (talk · contribs)
Orderinchaos (talk · contribs)
Peter Ballard (talk · contribs)
Ratel (talk · contribs)
Shot info (talk · contribs)
Skyring (talk · contribs)
Surturz (talk · contribs)
Timeshift9 (talk · contribs)
Eyedubya (talk · contribs)

Others who have made very brief comments at the RfC or on archived discussions:

Reneeholle (talk · contribs)
Alex Bakharev (talk · contribs)
{{user|Number 57}commented on the J.H talkpage re Obama only in February, 2007
Matilda (talk · contribs)
~~Italiavivi (talk · contribs)~~no edits since Sep 11, 2007, last JH edit Aug 2007[1]
Lacrimosus (talk · contribs)commented on the J.H talkpage re Obama only in February, 2007
Rollo44 (talk · contribs)commented on the J.H talkpage re Obama only in February, 2007
Kewpid (talk · contribs)commented on the J.H talkpage re Obama only in February, 2007
Thirty-seven (talk · contribs)commented on the J.H talkpage re Obama only in February, 2007
Khirad (talk · contribs)commented on the J.H talkpage re Obama only in February, 2007
Eevo (talk · contribs)commented on the J.H talkpage re Obama only in February, 2007
Nil Einne (talk · contribs)commented on the J.H talkpage re Obama only in February, 2007
Rollo44 (talk · contribs)commented on the J.H talkpage re Obama only in February, 2007
CommonSense22 (talk · contribs)commented on the J.H talkpage re Obama only in February, 2007

Articles involved

John Howard (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

Request for Comment: Talk:John Howard#RfC outline, by user:Lester;
Previous, archived discussions: February 2007 and May 2008

Issues to be mediated

The party filing this request uses this section to list the issues for mediation. Other parties can list additional issues in the section below.

In February, 2007, Australian Prime Minister John Howard verbally attacked US Presidential Candidate Barack Obama. Should this be included or deleted from the John Howard article?

Additional issues to be mediated

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Additional issue 1
Additional issue 2

Parties' agreement to mediate

All parties should sign below, indicating that they agree to mediate the issue. If any party fails to sign, or if a party indicates they do not agree, then the mediation will be rejected. Only "Agree" or "Disagree" and signatures should appear here; any comments will be removed, but can be made at the talk page. Please embolden disagreements, but not agreements.

Agree. Lester 01:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Matilda ^talk 01:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Timeshift (talk) 01:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. Surturz (talk) 01:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Alex Bakharev (talk) 02:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Bidgee (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Shot info (talk) 02:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Orderinchaos 02:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Gnan garra 02:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 04:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Brendan [ contribs ] 04:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. ► RATEL ◄ 05:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. Pete (talk) 18:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Eyedubya (talk) 23:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Slac speak up! 02:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request for the Mediation Committee

Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/John Howard#Request for the Mediation Committee. Anthøny 06:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

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Reject, parties do not agree to mediation.

For the Mediation Committee, Anthøny 16:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nakba Day

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request links: view edit delete watch

Filed: 14:41, June 5 2008 (UTC)

Involved parties

DKendr, filing party

Articles involved

Nakba Day

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

Debates on the Talk page for this article on the neutrality issue have consisted of the pro-Palestinans engaging in name-calling and refusing to state or acknowledge facts.

Issues to be mediated

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The pro-Palestinians claim that they were "dispossessed" of the land that became the State of Israel, which never happened, since they were never in possession of the land in the first place.
The fact that Arafat decreed this "holiday" in the 1980s as a way to attack Israel's legitimacy.

Additional issues to be mediated

One editor insists on making unilateral edits to remove the POV tag without justification, stating flatly that there is no POV in the article despite obvious and systemic advocacy.

Parties' agreement to mediate

All parties should sign below, indicating that they agree to mediate the issue. If any party fails to sign, or if a party indicates they do not agree, then the mediation will be rejected. Only "Agree" or "Disagree" and signatures should appear here; any comments will be removed, but can be made at the talk page.

Agree. Dkendr (talk) 14:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

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Reject, Request filed improperly; not appropriate for mediation.

For the Mediation Committee, -- tariqabjotu 15:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note

I'm pretty sure that User:Dkendr is referring to me here as the "unilateral" editor. Frankly, I'm not sure that I wish to enter into mediation with such a blatant and unapologetic propagandist in the first place; perhaps I would consider it if a reasonable and neutral mediation request were written. As it is, Dkendr is simply railing against reality, and I see no particular reason to do anything but revert, block, and ignore. <eleland/talkedits> 05:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I should note that I've blocked Dkendr for making repeated personal attacks on other editors. I have to say, having had a look at his contributions, I think this mediation request has been filed in bad faith. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bates method

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request links: view edit delete watch

Filed: 20:18, June 4 2008 (UTC)

Involved parties

Seeyou (talk · contribs), filing party
Ronz (talk · contribs)

Articles involved

Bates method

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

( Paragraph : Please use descriptive section titles.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ronz&diff=217052559&oldid=217002543

Issues to be mediated

This request is about the discussionpage of the bates method article.

There are mainly 2 parties involved the skeptics about 3 editors and one advocate me (Seeyou ). The reason for this Requests for mediation is pure censor. Meaning censor of added information for further discussion by Ronz.. See the links below

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bates_method&diff=206317205&oldid=206317079

Another important reason is censor of the headers of the paragraphs of the discussionpage.. Some paragraphs contain very valuable objective factual information for further improvement and discussion Information for the current editors and future editors. Since the discussionpage is constantly growing a filter tool will be very helpful to filter the most important topics and find real factual information and arguments.. For an example of an improved header see below :

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bates_method&diff=216010397&oldid=216010330

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Atyndall/Sandbox

For further information see the cabalcase below :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2008-05-01_Bates_method

Atyndall and Seeyou concluded a merge header description and a label to the right would be the perfect solution for Seeyou and Ronz and any other editor.

Ronz refused to discuss with Atyndall. His argument lack of time. From the objective point of view there is really no harm in the labels for certain paragraphs. The question is why does Ronz avoid the discussion. The reason in my opinion is because he has no arguments. His initial statement of non informative has become invalid because of the merge. As long as Ronz can not give a real argument for his removal censor is present.

deletion of reviews of the modern bates method
deletion of labels to filter the most important issues of the article

Additional issues to be mediated

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Additional issue 1
Additional issue 2

Parties' agreement to mediate

All parties should sign below, indicating that they agree to mediate the issue. If any party fails to sign, or if a party indicates they do not agree, then the mediation will be rejected. Only "Agree" or "Disagree" and signatures should appear here; any comments will be removed, but can be made at the talk page.

Agree. Seeyou (talk) 20:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

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Reject. The issues presented here are not appropriate for formal mediation, in that they are largely complaints over the conduct of an editor. The Mediation Committee does not mediate disputes over conduct issues, but rather attempts to resolve disagreements over the content of articles. Grievances over the conduct of an editor should be directed through more appropriate forums, such as requests for comment.

For the Mediation Committee, Anthøny 00:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gender of God

request links: view edit delete watch

Filed: 23:34, July 6 2008 (UTC)

Involved parties

L'Aquatique (talk · contribs), filing party
Alastair Haines (talk · contribs)
Ilkali (talk · contribs)
Alynna Kasmira (talk · contribs)
LisaLiel (talk · contribs)
Teclontz (talk · contribs)

Articles involved

Gender of God (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

Issues to be mediated

This is kind of complicated, so instead of writing it only as a bulleted list, I'm just going to type basically an outline of the case first. This case was brought to User:Rushyo and I, both members of the mediation cabal, by User:Alastair Haines. We have been trying to deal with it, but there is just too much animosity towards User:Ilkali by Alastair that things turned sour very quickly and we were unable to control the situation. It degraded into personal attacks against Rushyo and he resigned. I intended to stay on and try to mediate the dispute alone, but I have changed my mind after similar comments have been made about me. I will remain a part of this case, but I want you guys to take over in your official capacity, because I believe I lack the experience to resolve this on my own. Note that there is an RFC pending on Alastair's behavior, you can see it here: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Alastair Haines

Title/Scope. Does the term God refer to only the specific omnipotent deity worshiped by Jews/Christians/Bahai, or any omnipotent deity worshiped by any theistic religion?
This particular addition by Alastair. Is it too generalized? Are the sources sound? How about the tone?
Does the Jewish perception of God show Him as a male or is He beyond gender? LisaLiel provided several sources showing that we view Him as beyond gender and only use masculine pronouns for simplicity, but are they quality sources or not?
There may be more that I have missed. I would suggest to the mediator who takes this case that he or she read the medcab talk page carefully.

Additional issues to be mediated

Other parties can use this section to list any others issues they wish to include in the mediation. Please do not modify or remove any other party's listing. Please sign all additions to this section if there are more than two parties involved in this case.

Additional issue 1
Additional issue 2

Parties' agreement to mediate

All parties should sign below, indicating that they agree to mediate the issue. If any party fails to sign, or if a party indicates they do not agree, then the mediation will be rejected. Only "Agree" or "Disagree" and signatures should appear here; any comments will be removed, but can be made at the talk page.

Agree. L'Aquatique[review] 23:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Ilkali (talk) 23:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. LisaLiel (talk) 01:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Alynna (talk) 12:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree.Tim (talk) 19:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional disagreement: The way the dispute is expressed above is slanderous of me, and I use the term deliberately and legally.

It is completely unacceptable to refuse to address my request for investigation of Ilkali's behaviour and language, but instead to make counter accusations which, in fact, have no evidence, but arguably express precisely the animosity they claim of me.

If, however, the dispute is rephrased from the NPOV (which is easy) I will accept participation in further discussion.

Ilkali, Ryusho and L'Aquatique have all used language of me that is personally slighting (in Ilkali's case) and much stronger in the case of the others. Alynna has never used such language.

For me, there are two issues.

Removal of language like Ilkali's "not cut out for this", "smite his enemies", and Ryusho and L'Auatique's stronger language, attribution of motives and other allegations (including "passive aggressive" from L'Aquatique).
The issues of the article itself are trivial in comparison, and have been, imo only obscured by attempts to bypass my (mostly) patient reminders of the realities of the shape of the reliable literature, this bypassing usually involving slights or more robust personal attacks.

The sooner all text containing references to editors rather than content is removed, and parties commit to addressing subject and sources rather than other editors, the sooner we can progress. Without this presumption and actual practice of good faith (which is actually simply Wiki policy), the discussion so far is evidence that the real issues will continue to be hopelessly clouded.

Proposals:

All text that addresses editors rather than subject and sources be archived to a section marked as such. (This will also include text in self defense.) Where necessary, sources and arguments addressing the subject can be "refactored" into another section. (It should not even really be necessary to note who provided which source or argument.)
That a volunteer moderator/mediator/chair, committed to taking no side in discussion, assist with helping us all to establish firstly what subject this article addresses, and secondly what is a suitable title for that subject. Additionally, this moderator would impartially uphold the Wiki principle of posts being required to address the subject rather than other editors (generously with the first, strictly with the second).

Other note: I use my real name as an editor. I have no choice but to hold the Wiki community (and ultimately the Foundation) responsible for what I allege is slanderous. This is a serious issue and a little reflection should allow people to realise that I genuinely have no choice in this. I'm in no rush about it, but obviously I can not leave this issue until it is settled.

Alastair Haines (talk) 01:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

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Reject due to both "conditional disagreement", and the legal threats made above by Alastair Haines, the latter of which has resulted in his account being blocked until the threats are withdrawn. Should this occur, I would encourage participants to file an article RfC before bringing it back to formal mediation, to have a base-point upon which the more general community consensus can be judged from. This rejection is specifically without prejudice to a new request in the future.

For the Mediation Committee, Daniel (talk) 02:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

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request links: view edit delete watch

Filed: 06:06, June 20 2008 (UTC)

Issues to be mediated

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A new sub-section 'Criticism' was posted under the 'Reception' section. It is well-written and has a valid point and a valid source and it is an important piece of criticism currently surrounding Call of Duty 4. Hahnchen insists that this is not a big enough issue to mention in the article and refuses to cease reverting the content.

Additional issues to be mediated

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Parties' agreement to mediate

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Agree. MrWorthless (talk) 06:06, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

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Reject. Insufficient discussion and prior dispute resolution attempts have been made to justify adding this case to the backlog at the Committee at the present time. In the interests of resolving this dispute amicably and in the briefest possible time for the participants, I suggest obtaining the help of the Mediation Cabal; click here for more details and instructions on filing a case there. I make this decision on the grounds that you would be better suited to asking for resolution at the Mediation Cabal, given your dispute is relatively narrow in the scope of the issues; and that I believe the parties may benefit from the more informal nature of the Mediation Cabal, given the nature of this dispute.

For the Mediation Committee, Daniel (talk) 14:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zionism

This is a hard copy of a request for mediation which was rejected by the Mediation Committee. Rejected requests are substituted to these archives of rejected requests, then deleted. Please do not remove this tag or edit this request for any reason. To request mediation of this dispute, please submit a new request.

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Filed: 11:52, June 18 2008 (UTC)

Involved parties

BrandonYusufToropov (talk · contribs), filing party
Jayjg (talk · contribs)

Articles involved

Zionism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

[2]
[3]

Issues to be mediated

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Does a separate section including refs to individual Muslims who support Zionsim raise questions related to WP:UNDUE and WP:NPOV?
Have individual and group opposing views from Anti-Zionism been responsibly integrated into this article?

Additional issues to be mediated

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Additional issue 1
Additional issue 2

Parties' agreement to mediate

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Agree. BYT (talk) 11:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

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Rejected. Not all parties agreed to mediate.

For the Mediation Committee, -- tariqabjotu 12:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Business Plot

request links: view edit delete watch

Filed: 20:53, July 8 2008 (UTC)

Involved parties

RWV (talk · contribs), filing party
Lao Wai (talk · contribs)

Articles involved

Business Plot (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

Issues to be mediated

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Lao Wai began to delete large sections of cited material. His deletions have been reverted by 5 editors, (User:Huon, User:Dlabtot, User:Samuel Pepys User:AdultSwim and myself), despite this, he continues to delete these large sections, selectively cherrypicking the sources to justify his deletions. In my mind, someone who removes so much cited content is a vandal.

Additional issues to be mediated

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I feel RWV has made personal attacks and I believe his conduct has been somewhat uncivil. -Rushyo (talk) 23:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Additional issue 2

Parties' agreement to mediate

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Agree. RWV (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Dlabtot (talk) 22:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. -Rushyo (talk) 23:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

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Reject. The issues that the filing party has listed are unsuitable for formal mediation, which assists the reaching of a compromise in issues regarding content only, rather than conduct. Behavioural issues should be addressed via appropriate, alternative mediums, such as requests for comment, third opinion, community input and intervention, and, as a last resort, arbitration. Please see here for further information.

For the Mediation Committee, Daniel (talk) 02:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gender of God

request links: view edit delete watch

Filed: 23:34, July 6 2008 (UTC)

Involved parties

L'Aquatique (talk · contribs), filing party
Alastair Haines (talk · contribs)
Ilkali (talk · contribs)
Alynna Kasmira (talk · contribs)
LisaLiel (talk · contribs)
Teclontz (talk · contribs)

Articles involved

Gender of God (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

Issues to be mediated

This is kind of complicated, so instead of writing it only as a bulleted list, I'm just going to type basically an outline of the case first. This case was brought to User:Rushyo and I, both members of the mediation cabal, by User:Alastair Haines. We have been trying to deal with it, but there is just too much animosity towards User:Ilkali by Alastair that things turned sour very quickly and we were unable to control the situation. It degraded into personal attacks against Rushyo and he resigned. I intended to stay on and try to mediate the dispute alone, but I have changed my mind after similar comments have been made about me. I will remain a part of this case, but I want you guys to take over in your official capacity, because I believe I lack the experience to resolve this on my own. Note that there is an RFC pending on Alastair's behavior, you can see it here: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Alastair Haines

Title/Scope. Does the term God refer to only the specific omnipotent deity worshiped by Jews/Christians/Bahai, or any omnipotent deity worshiped by any theistic religion?
This particular addition by Alastair. Is it too generalized? Are the sources sound? How about the tone?
Does the Jewish perception of God show Him as a male or is He beyond gender? LisaLiel provided several sources showing that we view Him as beyond gender and only use masculine pronouns for simplicity, but are they quality sources or not?
There may be more that I have missed. I would suggest to the mediator who takes this case that he or she read the medcab talk page carefully.

Additional issues to be mediated

Other parties can use this section to list any others issues they wish to include in the mediation. Please do not modify or remove any other party's listing. Please sign all additions to this section if there are more than two parties involved in this case.

Additional issue 1
Additional issue 2

Parties' agreement to mediate

All parties should sign below, indicating that they agree to mediate the issue. If any party fails to sign, or if a party indicates they do not agree, then the mediation will be rejected. Only "Agree" or "Disagree" and signatures should appear here; any comments will be removed, but can be made at the talk page.

Agree. L'Aquatique[review] 23:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Ilkali (talk) 23:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. LisaLiel (talk) 01:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Alynna (talk) 12:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree.Tim (talk) 19:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional disagreement: The way the dispute is expressed above is slanderous of me, and I use the term deliberately and legally.

It is completely unacceptable to refuse to address my request for investigation of Ilkali's behaviour and language, but instead to make counter accusations which, in fact, have no evidence, but arguably express precisely the animosity they claim of me.

If, however, the dispute is rephrased from the NPOV (which is easy) I will accept participation in further discussion.

Ilkali, Ryusho and L'Aquatique have all used language of me that is personally slighting (in Ilkali's case) and much stronger in the case of the others. Alynna has never used such language.

For me, there are two issues.

Removal of language like Ilkali's "not cut out for this", "smite his enemies", and Ryusho and L'Auatique's stronger language, attribution of motives and other allegations (including "passive aggressive" from L'Aquatique).
The issues of the article itself are trivial in comparison, and have been, imo only obscured by attempts to bypass my (mostly) patient reminders of the realities of the shape of the reliable literature, this bypassing usually involving slights or more robust personal attacks.

The sooner all text containing references to editors rather than content is removed, and parties commit to addressing subject and sources rather than other editors, the sooner we can progress. Without this presumption and actual practice of good faith (which is actually simply Wiki policy), the discussion so far is evidence that the real issues will continue to be hopelessly clouded.

Proposals:

All text that addresses editors rather than subject and sources be archived to a section marked as such. (This will also include text in self defense.) Where necessary, sources and arguments addressing the subject can be "refactored" into another section. (It should not even really be necessary to note who provided which source or argument.)
That a volunteer moderator/mediator/chair, committed to taking no side in discussion, assist with helping us all to establish firstly what subject this article addresses, and secondly what is a suitable title for that subject. Additionally, this moderator would impartially uphold the Wiki principle of posts being required to address the subject rather than other editors (generously with the first, strictly with the second).

Other note: I use my real name as an editor. I have no choice but to hold the Wiki community (and ultimately the Foundation) responsible for what I allege is slanderous. This is a serious issue and a little reflection should allow people to realise that I genuinely have no choice in this. I'm in no rush about it, but obviously I can not leave this issue until it is settled.

Alastair Haines (talk) 01:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

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Reject due to both "conditional disagreement", and the legal threats made above by Alastair Haines, the latter of which has resulted in his account being blocked until the threats are withdrawn. Should this occur, I would encourage participants to file an article RfC before bringing it back to formal mediation, to have a base-point upon which the more general community consensus can be judged from. This rejection is specifically without prejudice to a new request in the future.

For the Mediation Committee, Daniel (talk) 02:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Burma

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Filed: 00:24, July 3 2008 (UTC)

Involved parties

Deamon138 (talk · contribs), filing party
MJCdetroit (talk · contribs)
Mjb1981 (talk · contribs)
Bigbluefish (talk · contribs)
BaronGrackle (talk · contribs)
RegentsPark (talk · contribs)
Husond (talk · contribs)
The High Commander (talk · contribs)
Fyunck(click) (talk · contribs)
Angstriddenyouth (talk · contribs)
Timrollpickering (talk · contribs)
Rundquist (talk · contribs)
MethMan47 (talk · contribs)
Somedumbyankee (talk · contribs)
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Articles involved

Burma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Talk:Burma (edit | [[Talk:Talk:Burma|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Talk:Burma/Myanmar (edit | [[Talk:Talk:Burma/Myanmar|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

Issues to be mediated

The party filing this request uses this section to list the issues for mediation. Other parties can list additional issues in the section below.

Which of Burma or Myanmar should be the name of the article currently known as Burma?
Should this page be split or not, and if so how?

Additional issues to be mediated

Other parties can use this section to list any others issues they wish to include in the mediation. Please do not modify or remove any other party's listing. Please sign all additions to this section if there are more than two parties involved in this case.

Additional issue 1
Additional issue 2

Parties' agreement to mediate

All parties should sign below, indicating that they agree to mediate the issue. If any party fails to sign, or if a party indicates they do not agree, then the mediation will be rejected. Only "Agree" or "Disagree" and signatures should appear here; any comments will be removed, but can be made at the talk page.

Agree. Deamon138 (talk) 00:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 00:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Somedumbyankee (talk) 00:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Agree (note) Hús ö nd 00:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)~~ Disagree. Hús ö nd 14:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree -BaronGrackle (talk) 02:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree.--Huaiwei (talk) 04:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Timrollpickering (talk) 09:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. BigBlueFish (talk) 09:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Rundquist (talk) 12:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree --Regents Park (sink with the skaters) 13:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree Colonel Warden (talk) 17:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree GoodDay (talk) 18:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Hooper (talk) 00:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree MethMan47 (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree JohnWycliff (talk) 01:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-Committee members should not edit this section.

Reject due to the fact that two people have disagreed to mediation and a further six have not noted their acceptance in 8 days. While formal mediation often requires at all parties participate in the mediation, in a case where there is a vast number of parties such as this one, often a bit of leeway is granted between how many parties are listed and how many agree, provided there's a chance at resolution. However, a combined total of 8 is too substantial to apply such an exception to. With no new developments in 6 days, I have reluctantly concluded that the parties aren't ready for mediation at this time.

For the Mediation Committee, WjBscribe 01:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Elliot in the Morning

request links: view edit delete watch

Filed: 03:40, July 16 2008 (UTC)

Involved parties

Articles involved

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Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

Example link 1
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Issues to be mediated

The party filing this request uses this section to list the issues for mediation. Other parties can list additional issues in the section below.

Issue 1
Issue 2

Additional issues to be mediated

Other parties can use this section to list any others issues they wish to include in the mediation. Please do not modify or remove any other party's listing. Please sign all additions to this section if there are more than two parties involved in this case.

Additional issue 1
Additional issue 2

Parties' agreement to mediate

All parties should sign below, indicating that they agree to mediate the issue. If any party fails to sign, or if a party indicates they do not agree, then the mediation will be rejected. Only "Agree" or "Disagree" and signatures should appear here; any comments will be removed, but can be made at the talk page.

Agree. Sideshowmel0329 (talk) 03:40, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee

A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-Committee members should not edit this section.

Reject. Insufficient discussion and prior dispute resolution attempts have been made to justify adding this case to the backlog at the Committee at the present time. In the interests of resolving this dispute amicably and in the briefest possible time for the participants, I suggest obtaining the help of the Mediation Cabal; click here for more details and instructions on filing a case there. I make this decision on the grounds that you would be better suited to asking for resolution at the Mediation Cabal, given your dispute is relatively narrow in the scope of the issues; and that I believe the parties may benefit from the more informal nature of the Mediation Cabal, given the nature of this dispute.

For the Mediation Committee, Daniel (talk) 08:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]