Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 October 24
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Africa (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Andhra Pradesh (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Arunachal Pradesh (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Asia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Assam (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Australia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Brazil (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Canada (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Chandigarh (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Chhattisgarh (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
These editnotices have been blanked by ProcrastinatingReader, following what I assume to be proper procedure based on some consensus. I asked about blank editnotices at Wikipedia talk:Editnotice, but I received no helpful input, so consider this a test run at TFD. There are hundreds of blank editnotice templates; this is a sample of eleven of them on the same topic; there are about 70 blank COVID editnotices. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:34, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- ...and why did ProcrastinatingReader do this instead of replacing them by
{{Contentious topics/editnotice|topic=covid}}
? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)- Oh, that was in 2020!
- Mmmh. Well, today they should be replaced by the code above instead of being deleted, I'd say. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine if that is the consensus outcome. I can choose another set of blank editnotice pages for another nomination. The COVID editnotice pages start at about line 555 at Special:UnusedTemplates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:55, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link; I have now added the code to the pages. The only result requiring formal consensus through this discussion would be deletion, I think, so if these are undesirable for a yet-unnamed reason, that reason can be specified and discussed here. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 09:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine if that is the consensus outcome. I can choose another set of blank editnotice pages for another nomination. The COVID editnotice pages start at about line 555 at Special:UnusedTemplates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:55, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Template:For-multi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Been bothering me for a bit: This template is redundant to {{About}} since all transclusions of {{For-multi}} could be replaced with {{About}} while shifting all their parameters down a value ("1=
" becomes "2=
", "2=
" becomes "3=
", etc.) and it will return the same hatnote. In other words, if literally {{For-multi
were replaced with {{About|
in all instances, all would be the same. Steel1943 (talk) 21:12, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – as the documentation says:
Considering that it's a simple wrapper around {{hatnote}} and Module:Hatnote list, it seems clearly net-positive to me. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC)Technically,
{{About}}
can be used by passing an empty first parameter, but this isn't recommended as the wikitext{{About||UseA|ArticleA|UseB}}
doesn't make it clear what the output is going to be and what the purpose of the template is as, in this case, the name of the template "About" is misleading.- Yep, the documentation clear as day admits that the template is truly unnecessary due to its redundancy, basically per what I stated in my nomination statement. Steel1943 (talk) 22:06, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Seems this concern isn't new either: See Template talk:For-multi#Division of labour. The very existence of this template was question almost immediately after it was created. Steel1943 (talk) 22:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - There is virtually no downside to having this template in addition to {{About}} as both it and {{About}} end up using Module:Hatnote and Module:Hatnote list. If anything, using this template provides a sight advantage as it avoids having to call the intermediate logic in Module:About. The upside of
{{For-multi
being more descriptive and far less hacky than{{About|
outweighs any potential downsides. It is much more intuitive to use a template called for-multi than one designed around a different purpose with an empty argument. – BrandonXLF (talk) 23:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC) - Keep per above. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 02:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with {{About}}. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 08:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- KEEP As per above. 2001:8003:9100:2C01:D06C:D3A7:4223:A610 (talk) 10:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, more readable and intuitive than using {{About}} with an empty first parameter. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 11:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- So, do you want to simply implement it as a wrapper around {{about}}, then, is there a benefit to doing that? --Joy (talk) 15:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, while I appreciate the concern about redundant templates, the potential for such doesn't seem to rise very high or appear compelling enough to delete it. Irruptive Creditor (talk) 18:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep use this frequently and is a simple replacement for the for template in a pinch. --Engineerchange (talk) 19:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep template is used on so many articles, it helps adding more then one entry of related pages on lead & also as per:
Considering that it's a simple wrapper around {{hatnote}}. Adharmasingh (talk) 19:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)Technically,
{{About}}
can be used by passing an empty first parameter, but this isn't recommended as the wikitext{{About||UseA|ArticleA|UseB}}
doesn't make it clear what the output is going to be and what the purpose of the template is as, in this case, the name of the template "About" is misleading.- Keep Let's be honest here - expecting editors to faff around with manually doing
{{About|2=...|3=...}}
(instead of a simpler and less hacky{{For-multi|...|...}}
) is a bit of a silly idea. Nobody's gonna want to do it, and the two likely outcomes are either someone re-implementing{{For-multi}}
to save everyone else the hassle of the{{About|2=...|3=...}}
malarkey, or people just not bothering to add hatnotes in this sort of situation. Either way, the downsides of deleting{{For-multi}}
far outweigh any perceived gains from deleting it. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC) - Nominator comment: Seems the major reason why this template has 11,000 transclusions is because an editor (not the template's creator) replaced several transclusions of {{About}} with this template after the template was created. If I recall, doing cosmetic changes like that goes against some sort of policy, but I cannot find the policy at the moment. Either way, my point is the editor performing these steps essentially fabricated the common use of this template. In retrospect, I should have attempted to nip that in the bud when I noticed it back when this template was created in 2021 (3 years ago), but I think I didn't think the editor would replace that many transclusions of {{About}}. Anyways, the "damage" has been done ("damage" in quotes because it's my opinion in the matter, and I know others will consider it "improvement" instead) and is so engrained in Wikipedia at this point, in addition to the obvious WP:SNOW in this discussion, that I withdraw this nomination. (I'd close this discussion boldly, but I cannot unless I do it out of process due to Achmad Rachmani's vote.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
This seems to be an arbitrarily constructed list of some diseases and things, in violation of WP:NAV-RELATED. I can't figure out what brings these topics together. The template creator hasn't edited in over a decade, and my query at the talk page went unanswered. Suggest deletion, as I'm not sure how this can be turned into a reasonable navbox. Ajpolino (talk) 20:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Latin script/diacritic with all letters/overview (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused sub template. Gonnym (talk) 09:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Math/li (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused math template. Gonnym (talk) 08:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete; appears to be completely unused even in module codes ([1], [2]). ~ ToBeFree (talk) 09:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)