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On 29 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2024 Yemeni drone attack on Israel to 2024 Houthi drone attack on Israel. The result of the discussion was moved.

A fact from 2024 Houthi drone attack on Israel appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a drone attack by the Houthi military hit a target in Tel Aviv, but no sirens were activated?

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The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 17:28, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the drone attack by Yemeni Houthis hit the target in Tel Aviv while no air raid siren sounded?

Source: Al Jazeera, CNN

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Johann Joseph Dömling

Created by Mhhossein (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 65 past nominations.

Mhhossein ^talk 06:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

ALT1: ... that a drone attack by the Houthi military hit a target in Tel Aviv, but no sirens were activated? Al Jazeera

Not reviewing, but proposing ALT1 above with different wording. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 17:38, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Aren't we supposed to have upbeat hooks? 2603:7000:2101:AA00:54B:36AA:A773:7A69 (talk) 21:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily, just interesting hooks. Even so, I'm not sure how one could make an "upbeat" hook out of a military drone attack. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 21:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My point exactly. But I recall editors telling me we could not have hooks that are like this at DYK, because they were downbeat. The same reason we don't see hooks of interesting murders.2603:7000:2101:AA00:54B:36AA:A773:7A69 (talk) 22:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that in our guidelines — take a look at WP:DYKINT. I've personally written about a murder and it was added to DYK. Perhaps you're thinking of our rule that hooks must use a neutral point of view? In this case, the hook may seem "downbeat" but it's very neutral, stating simple facts. On the other hand, "... that a terrible drone attack terrorized Tel Aviv?" would be unacceptable for its lack of neutrality. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No -- I'm not thinking about NPOV. Perhaps one of the wise sages at DYK knows what I am referring to. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:54B:36AA:A773:7A69 (talk) 23:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Earwig gives " Violation Unlikely, 15.3%". No major problems that I can see. Mhhossein has not yet completed QPQ. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 01:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review VR. QPQ is done now. --Mhhossein ^talk 13:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: Is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 04:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: I didn't get Mhhossein's ping. Yes, it is approved now.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 04:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: usually there should be a green tick mark by using {{subst:DYKyes}}, showing the final approval. You did not notice my previous ping due to improper ping by me, sorry. --Mhhossein ^talk 13:58, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 14:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Title

@primaprime: Hello, I believe the move you performed could be viewed as a challenging one which is best to be done after discussion with other users. The pervisou title 2024 Yemeni drone attack on Israel was consistent with its pair, 2024 Israeli strikes on Yemen, and probably some other pages. On the other hand, the current one selected by you is vague and does not show who did the attack. I am going to ask your move be undone. --Mhhossein ^talk 07:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are no reliable sources to support the idea that this was a "Yemeni" attack as that reflects mainly the POV of Houthi propaganda. I'd be fine with Houthi drone attack on Tel Aviv; pages like these will have many acceptable potential titles - though note that this is not the only Houthi attack on Israel as a whole in 2024. PrimaPrime (talk) 07:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undone per request by Mhhossein at WP:RMT. If either of you still want to rename the article, please kindly follow instructions for contested moves. If an official RM is opened, you can—after seven days—request closure at WP:CR. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 July 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Yemeni drone attack on Israel → 2024 Houthi drone attack on Israel – Not accurate to call this a "Yemeni drone attack" when it wasn't conducted by Yemen's internationally-recognized government. We don't treat other attacks in such a manner; for example, we don't call Hezbollah's missiles "Lebanese attacks". This doesn't need to be consistent with 2024 Israeli strikes on Yemen, because those strikes were conducted on Yemen's internationally-recognized territory (even though said territory is currently under Houthi control). Elli (talk | contribs) 14:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per nominator. HaOfa (talk) 05:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elli: Comparing the situation with those of Hizbollah is not accurate. Houthi movement is effectively running the government. For instance, the Yemeni Armed Forces is also led by the Houthi-led Supreme Political Council, though the case is more complicated than simply saying this. The current title is also consistent with the pair event, 2024 Israeli strikes on Yemen. --Mhhossein ^talk 13:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. Waqar💬 18:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elli, @Iwaqarhashmi, @האופה, @Iwaqarhashmi, should the redirect be moved without leaving a redirect (after changing the target)? ping me. Best, Reading Beans 07:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. That is almost never done after page moves and there isn't a reason to do it here. Elli (talk | contribs) 11:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Reading Beans: No, there's no need for that. Waqar💬 15:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Bensci54: Elli began the move request with the others supporting without adding any guideline or policy based comment. FYI, WP:PERNOM comments should not be taken into account. This is while I added my rebuttal which received no responses. How did you assess the consensus so quickly without having any de facto support comments? Pinging user:Rotideypoc41352 for attention. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There wasn't any policy brought up by either side, to be fair. There were no explicit Oppose !votes, and you were the only person involved in the discussion who seemed to have any issue with the proposal. The proposer's argument made sense logically, and was in line with how reliable sources are referring to the event - I see "Houthi drone strike" in the sources, but none of the sources refer to a "Yemeni drone strike." Bensci54 (talk) 01:24, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

5th phase

@Mhhossein can you clarify what is meant by "Houthi militants said that the attack on Tel Aviv as the beginning of the fifth phase of their conflict with Israel"? What are the other 4 phases? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 01:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Vice regent. It is not my analysis, rather it is supported by the cited source [1]; "The deadly drone attack in the heart of Tel Aviv marks what the Houthis describe as phase five—a new stage in the conflict." --Mhhossein ^talk 13:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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At the end of this section, please add the following Israeli response to the attack:

On 20 July, Israeli aircraft struck military and oil refining facilities at the Hudaydah Port in retaliation.^[1]^[2]^[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.29.54.146 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Halpern, Sam; Gur Arieh, Maya (20 July 2024). "Houthi-run Al-Masirah: Israeli raids strike Hodeidah oil refinery". The Jerusalem Post.
^ https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-houthis-hezbollah-iran-ddd11628677424d5fc21985c4764e22b
^ https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/21/middleeast/israel-strikes-houthi-rebels-explainer-intl/index.html

Done דור פוזנר (talk) 03:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Halpern, Sam; Gur Arieh, Maya (20 July 2024). "Houthi-run Al-Masirah: Israeli raids strike Hodeidah oil refinery". The Jerusalem Post.

[2] ttps://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-houthis-hezbollah-iran-ddd11628677424d5fc21985c4764e22b

[3] ttps://www.cnn.com/2024/07/21/middleeast/israel-strikes-houthi-rebels-explainer-intl/index.html

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