Talk:Doombot

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Merger proposal

I would like to propose that Doombot be merged into Doctor_Doom#Inventions. Yamamoto Ichiro (talk) 16:17, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - As the above admin had closed the AFD as NC I'm pinging all the AFD !voters - Sandstein, Howicus, SwisterTwister, Andrew_Davidson, Rtkat3, ThePlatypusofDoom, BOZ, TTN and Prhartcom, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 16:24, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just redirect, because there is no third-party sourced content. Should appropriate sources be found, content can be merged later. Sandstein 16:47, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The page seems ok as is. Andrew D. (talk) 17:09, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I oppose the redirect proposal. They have been numerous in the comics. Plus one of them was reprogrammed to be part of the Avengers A.I. --Rtkat3 (talk) 17:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. BOZ (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - The idea that the page is at all OK its current state is laughable. That kind of attitude is the reason why there are some many pointless Marvel and DC articles. High frequency of usage does not correlate to notability. Nothing in this article presents the topic as anything but something that belongs on Wikia. There is nothing to be gained by merging it in its current state, so redirecting is the most sensible option. TTN (talk) 19:07, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Can anyone find any independent sources talking about Doombots? All that's cited now is issues of the comics. It seems to me like the Avengers AI appearance is the only major time a Doombot appeared independent of Doctor Doom. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 21:03, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Doctor Doom. This article is completely unreferenced, despite 24 footnotes, none point to reliable sources showing that Doombots are independently notable. The oppose votes above are fans who care more about comics than they care about Wikipedia policy; their !votes can be discounted. This decision must be based solely on Wikipedia policy and not on a love of of comic book characters. Prhartcom (talk) 22:42, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- If it is redirected, the person would have to make a sub-section if the Doombots are to be set up with the other robots that work for Doctor Doom. --Rtkat3 (talk) 23:36, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - You're right; that would be excellent to link to a special section within the parent article—but only if there was one or two sources to support it; we can't just knowingly add WP:OR. I was thinking we simply redirect to the top of the page. Prhartcom (talk) 02:06, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect is the best option if no one can specify what needs to be merged. Adding anymore information would probably make the target article undue anyway. Every source here is a primary source so there is no way it meets WP:GNG. AIRcorn (talk) 07:07, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Arcade ally Doombot retcon

The Doctor Doom in this X-Men story:

A Doombot in the form of Doctor Doom captured Arcade and the families of the X-Men so that the X-Men can come after Arcade.

-- is not hinted to be a Doombot in the Uncanny X-Men issues themselves. The only footnotes in that paragraph refer to issues of Uncanny X-Men. John Byrne, in Fantastic Four #258, used a couple of panels where Doctor Doom is inspecting his Doombots to retcon this appearance of Doctor Doom as a Doombot -- apparently, or so I've heard, because he thought Chris Claremont's depiction of Doctor Doom was out of character. A reference to an interview with John Byrne, Chris Claremont or someone establishing the motives for the retcon would be nice, too. A web search for "doombot arcade chris claremont john byrne" turns up several blog posts[1], retrospective comics reviews[2], and forum threads[3] repeating the story, but I'm not sure if any of them are reliable sources by Wikipedia standards. One of the articles I linked suggests that the Fantastic Four issue in question was the first time Doombots were established to be capable of independently impersonating Doctor Doom and passing a Turing Test for an extended period, which, if true and reliably sourcable, is also worth noting in the article. --Jim Henry (talk) 01:24, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]