Talk:Gita Mehta

Death of eminent writer Gita Mehta

Gita Mehta , sister of Naveen Patnaik,CM of Odisha died on 16 th of September 2023 at the age of 80 Sangam rout.1993 (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

MOS:ETHNICITY

@Ktin:

Indian American is simply a Wikipedia article and does not preclude the standards defined by Wikipedia:Manual of Style. In this particular case, MOS:Ethnicity is clear on ethnicity vs nationality in the lead:

…this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is currently a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable.

Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability.

Due to Mehta’s work while both an Indian citizen and as an American citizen, it is both appropriate and important to list both nationalities (Indian and American) as I did. In fact the MOS lists a specific example for this case:

Peter Lorre (June 26, 1904 – March 23, 1964) was a Hungarian and American actor

This is an example of a person who established a career in Europe as a Hungarian, then emigrated to the United States and was naturalized and continued his career, and is thus known as both a Hungarian actor and as an American actor. The use of and again prevents the introduction of ethnicity or birth.

Lastly, it is indeed possible for both to be true, as citizenship can be either dual or concurrent.

Celjski Grad (talk) 07:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Lastly, it is indeed possible for both to be true, as citizenship can be either dual or concurrent — you are missing a key point that India does not allow for dual citizenship. So, if you’d prefer it can be Indian-born American, or simply Indian American as all other articles are. E.g., Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 07:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Concurrent = one after the other. Regardless, it is neither a key point nor relevant to the MOS conflict.

Celjski Grad (talk) 07:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Concurrent = “at the same time” not “one after the other”. Ktin (talk) 07:54, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

You are correct — I meant to say consecutive. Being deceased, she is neither an Indian citizen nor an American citizen. However she was an Indian citizen and she was an American citizen. Therefore the lead should read an Indian and American writer. The MOS example I referenced was given precisely for this circumstance.

Celjski Grad (talk) 08:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear editor: I value your contributions, but, on this one you are wrong. You can say, she was an Indian citizen and later a naturalized American citizen. However you can not say she was an Indian citizen AND she was an American citizen. To use your parlance, the former indicates consecutive and latter indicates concurrent. So, you can say Indian-born American or Indian American like how the articles for Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella read. But you can not say “Indian and American”.

Also, if you read MOS:ETHNICITY it clearly says you can use AND when the subject of the article holds dual or concurrently holds two citizenships. This is not the case here.

In addition, if you prefer, have a look at how folks at Deaths in 2023 handle this one.

Furthermore, your statement , “ Being deceased, she is neither an Indian citizen nor an American citizen”, is incorrect.

Overall, I think we should move on. Let’s build an encyclopedia. Ktin (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)