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This article was nominated for deletion on 1 October 2015. The result of the discussion was keep.

Motive?

Nothing in here discusses her motive. That would be an important addition to this article. Kingturtle = (talk) 13:02, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I read it and said, "But Why?" Was he abusive? Was there some other dynamic going on? Was she deemed competent to stand trial? 205.172.21.143 (talk) 15:05, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article states: Gissendaner was convicted of orchestrating her husband's murder and sentenced to death in 1998 after Owen testified against her in a plea agreement in which he was sentenced to life imprisonment. Owen told a jury that Gissendaner had first approached him about "a way to get rid of" her husband three months before the murder. He further testified that Gissendaner thought murder was the only way to get Douglas out of her life and still get the house and a payoff from his life insurance policy. During the trial, Gissendaner was discovered to have threatened witnesses and also plotted to pay a witness to commit perjury. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:23, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Victim

There needs to be more about the victim. Murder is a non-achievement, and execution is banal in the US criminal justice system.

Besides, Wikipedia attempts by policy to avoid giving a age to a criminal. It is the victim, and not the murderer or rapist, who is to be recognized in Wikipedia titles. Search for Jodi Arias, and you get "Murder of Travis Alexander". This policy is intended to discourage people from committing crimes so that they get some perverse recognition in Wikipedia. Murderers are not to be recognized unless unavoidable due to notability for other reasons (including legal decisions related to the case that change legal practice)) or to unavoidable attachment to mass murder or serial murder. Wikipedia seeks to avoid tempting anyone into delinquent behavior.

Honor the victim or delete the page. Pbrower2a (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is an encyclopedia, not an obituary or memorial page. 66.68.207.59 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:44, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

She has become more interesting. Pbrower2a (talk) 22:14, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Homicide

While it is perfectly justifiable for a state-sanctioned death to be classified as a "homicide", a more widely used and straightforward term would be "execution by lethal injection" as it shows a more clear prose and leaves no doubt that it is the case of a capital punishment. I suggest changing from Homicide to Execution by lethal injection. Katastasi and his talk page. 02:43, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Although homicide can be either legal or non-legal, I think that term comes a POV about the case and I removed it. Thanks. --JumpLike23 (talk) 03:26, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing "POV" about it. "Execution by lethal injection" is indeed a homicide. This should appeal to both the anti-death penalty POV'ers as well as the pro-death penalty types. It should be more widely used and straightforward the other way. Calling it for what it is. Doc talk 03:39, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't feel strongly about it and support it going back. I think you are right too, and homicide is the correct classification. The way it is, actually is not a cause of death. Excuse my quick change. I figured it would be uncontested.--JumpLike23 (talk) 03:44, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's perfectly okay - it's how we do things around here. Nothing at all wrong with being bold! I must point out that in our own article for Homicide under "State-sanctioned homicide" we have: "Homicides may also be non-criminal when conducted with the sanction of the state. The most obvious examples are capital punishment, in which the state punishes a criminal with death." Sort of like Gissendaner, no? Doc talk 03:47, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and support the change.--JumpLike23 (talk) 03:50, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Let's take a hypothetical situation. A person falls to their death off a tall building. The immediate cause of death would be blunt trauma. But was that person pushed? That would be a homicide. Did they jump of their own free will? Suicide. Did they slip and fall? Accident. If the cause of the fall was unknown, it would be Undetermined. Gissendaner's immediate cause of death was "execution by lethal injection"; and we know it was due to a homicide. Execution=homicide. Doc talk 06:29, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]