Template talk:Criminal law

The Image in this template

The image that's being used on the criminal law template (Image:Justice12.jpg) doesnt have any source or copyright information. The uploader hasnt responded to requests for some, and so the image is now at a state where it can be speedily deleted, but rather than do that, would somone who is looking after the template perhaps have a look? Cheers... Agnte 17:36, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Please see the discussion on talk:regulatory offences for why this template needs to change the reference from regulatory offences to infraction. I will do this in about a day or so, after people have time to comment. Thesmothete 06:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

English criminal law

Template:Criminal law looks similar to Template:English criminal law. Changes to one may need to be carried through to the other.--Henrygb 09:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

New templates

Hi I've done some major revamping to Template:Criminal defenses, Template:CrimPro and added Template:Criminal case and Template:Types of crime. Most of the criminal law pages have been changed to go to one of these but for the few stragglers I propose redirecting this page. I'll do this in the next few days if this page stays quiet. Cheers Andeggs 12:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Prostitution

The accompanying template includes "Pimping" and "Sexual offenses" both as crimes against persons, but neither of those seems to cover (at least to the extent that Prostitution lacks the temlate]] the crimes of prostitution or of solicitation for prostitution, which do exist despite the their non-universal criminality. Bad information design, and probably PoV.
--Jerzy•t 11:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

link to pimping

The link for Pimping leads to pimp which is pretty messy in terms of presentation and doesn't directly discuss pimping as a criminal act including relevant laws etc.

Could a new article like pimping (crime) be started and could the template link to that instead so it can be addressed as a legal subject? --I (talk) 18:10, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Generality

I edited the template to hit on the major areas of criminal law... I'm thinking the naxbox need not be comprehensive, only robust, if you know what I mean. Foofighter20x (talk) 07:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Others to add, once a page is created for them (by themselves, that is): Defense of Others, Defense of Property, Defense of Dwelling, Effecting Lawful Arrest, Prevention of Felony, Public Authority, Domestic Authority. Foofighter20x (talk) 08:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Horizontal bar at the bottom

This would be best as a horizontal bar at the bottom. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Statutory rape

Statutory rape is listed under "victimless crime" in the criminal law sidebar. While I can see there are instances in which it would be (for example, two minors who have consensual sex), generally statutory rape is used to describe an adult having sex with a minor, and indeed this is what the linked article largely covers. In that instance, the minor is unable to consent, and therefore it is rape, and there is a rape victim. I think it's very dangerous to categorise something like that as "victimless" and suggest it be moved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.186.32 (talk) 12:53, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Why "Part of common law series"?

Is it implying that criminal law is a concept only in common law systems? What about other systems? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:6787:CF00:A049:C09A:9FAD:9F40 (talk) 21:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Removing if no objections2606:6000:6787:CF00:315A:3A28:8942:D4CC (talk) 02:08, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Making the categories of the template collapsible?

The Criminal Law series template has become excessively long. To reduce its size should we make the categories collapsible? This will also make it short enough to re-add the series image while keeping it at a manageable size (why was it removed anyway?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ireadandcheck (talk • contribs) 16:04, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

updating Victimless Crime section

I like to change some points and add one.

Masturbation

The entry from Revision as of 17:52, 18 June 2015 regarding masturbation as crime seems a bit odd, that's why i'd remove it and added exhibitionism.

Suicide

Also removing suicide, since it's legal since the roman empire till the european union (see #Suicide legislation).

Sex Toys

In only five states (of 193) worldwide are legal issues about the sale of sex toys. The Anti-Obscenity Enforcement Act could be a crime against humanity, but it's overal relevance is minimal (0,0064% / 6,4‰ of the world population are affected).

Zoophilia

It's not included in this list by now. Laws regarding intercourse with animals change and are very different by country / cultural influence. So who thinks this should be added and who believes it shouldn't?

Exhibitionism

Should it be included as indecent exposure or exhibitionism? I see indecent exposure as an to wide defined area. Exhibitionism states clearly the meaning of showing the body/parts, so it's clearly different from nudism (which usually has a health purpose and is practiced inside cultural habits).

Defamation What do you guys think about adding Defamation into the template?

Angerdan (talk) 13:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Surprisingly, the "Victimless crimes" section also includes "dueling", which was added to this template by User:Deisenbe. Jarble (talk) 01:11, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Victimless Crime section

I removed the victimless crime section as the term "victimless crime" is too subjective. Look at how many back-and-forth edits we've had over what's "victimless" and what's not. Please discuss here. --MikeD789364 (talk) 17:20, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I agree, the victimless crime section shouldn't exist: it's inherently biased. Anything that is truly victimless should not be a crime. It clearly violates NPOV. It is very biased to baldly state that crimes are victimless when so many countries disagree. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia for the world, not just the West. There is a place for controversy on this issue in the victimless crimes article, but it doesn't belong in a category or template.

If no-one objects I will re-remove it in a week or so. ··gracefool 💬 03:05, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

I strongly feel the Victimless Crime section should remain. It covers like no other a whole area, which is use of law to control what might be called lifestyle. Also, it makes it clear, and it deserves to be made clear, that different societies had and have different laws because what is undesirable behavior varies, sometimes dramatically.

I stand on duelling being victimless. The two were shooting, or fencing, with each other. It was a sort of completely voluntary and sometimes illegal contest. The loser lost his life, but I don’t see him as a victim. Nobody made him fight.

If you look at Suicide legislation#United States you'll see a 2018 attempted suicide convicion, so you can’t just flat-out say it’s illegal in the U.S. Sale of sex toys is illegal in tbe U.S. state of Alabama. deisenbe (talk) 03:07, 11 April 2018 (VUTC)

In any case the feelings or beliefs of you and I aren't the main issue here - NPOV is. In two years no-one has made the case why the section should stay despite most countries disagreeing with the list. So I have now changed the title "Victimless crimes" to "Other crimes". ··gracefool 💬 02:01, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

The role of this template is to list things that have been defined as crimes somewhere at some time. It is not only about current crimes, and it is not to define which things should still be crimes, or which countries' laws are incorrectly defined, because that isn't NPOV. There are many crimes listed that are no longer considered crimes in many countries, like apostasy or Comstock law. Each crime should be listed in the section according to its definition (i.e. in those countries and time periods where it is a crime). Thus I've changed "Other crimes" to "Crime against the public", which includes things like Crime against nature, self, or God (in all cases they are crimes due to the perception of prevention being a public duty / in the common interest - such as the old concept of vicarious liability). ··gracefool 💬 03:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Crimes against

The entry bestiality is in the crimes against animals category, and though it may be under that assignment in some legal systems, but animals arent plaintiffs in cases, and the single crime against animals is cruelty, by special assignment. Fornication with beasts is in the category of religious crimes, where the crime is against oneself and one other, namely God, in the form of the Holy Spirit, so crimes against the Holy Spirit is the category used in religious language. "Spiritual crimes" if you will. -Inowen (nlfte) 00:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Trafficking

Hi, Wiki has an article on Human Trafficking; isn't that a crime against the person, too? Maybe link it? T 84.208.86.134 (talk) 18:04, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Pedophilia vs Child abuse

Currently the template contains Pedophilia in its Sexual offenses group. However pedophilia a psychiatric disorder, not a crime - unless an actual child abuse happens (or is attempted). That is: most pedophiles do not ever commit a crime. It is when news report a crime sexual abuse of child the lay people associate the pedophilia with the wrongdoing, but these are different.

I will replace Pedophilia by Child abuse if there are no objections. --Alvin-cs ✉ 16:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, somebody already beat me to that an did the change themselves: [1] --Alvin-cs ✉ 21:54, 10 February 2022 (UTC)