Template talk:Edmonton neighbourhoods

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I see that Template:Edmonton neighbourhoods redirects to Template:Edmonton neighborhoods. Should it not be the other way around where the Canadian spelling prevails? The City of Edmonton uses the Canadian spelling. Hwy43 (talk) 03:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the histories, it appears that for a time both existed, so the one with the longer history was kept. 117Avenue (talk) 04:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking that. Length of histories aside, should this be moved to Template:Edmonton neighbourhoods to reflect the Canadian spelling? Hwy43 (talk) 07:02, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That would require the deletion of the other, and since it has history, I don't know if it can be. 117Avenue (talk) 07:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if I did sneaky tactics, but it's been done. 117Avenue (talk) 01:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Geographic sector breakdown

With the recently revised geographic sector breakdown at List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton, this template needs to be revised to reflect such. Before I take a stab at it, is there a way to add multiple sub-groups to each group? It would be handy to nest "Jasper Place" and "Beverly" as sub-groups under "Mature Area" to differentiate their specific neighbourhoods from the balance. Hwy43 (talk) 04:51, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It can be done with Template:Navbox subgroup. But I have been thinking is it necessary to link every neighbourhood to every neighbourhood? We could introduce a parameter that will make the display of each sector an opt in. 117Avenue (talk) 01:32, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip, 117. I've taken a stab without any opt in parameters. I'm open to that as the template is now lengthier. I invite you to view it here and provide feedback or edit it. Hwy43 (talk) 04:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a couple of edits for now, but changing it to accepting parameters will take some time, something I lack. The only place I have such time is on weekends, if you are still patient. 117Avenue (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm patient. Hwy43 (talk) 03:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Hwy43: I figured it was about time that I got around to this. There are still some checks I need to do, but you can see what it looks like at User:117Avenue/sandbox and User:117Avenue/doc. What do you think? 117Avenue (talk) 04:35, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

117Avenue, this looks really good, and much bigger than I expected, but it is what it is. Thank you for doing it. Do you think it would only be displayed in its entirety on List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton, with only the applicable sectors called out when in use in each neighbourhood article?

The following are my comments.

Notwithstanding the temporary names on Edmonton’s wards and neighbourhoods map, drop the ‘Area’ suffixes for Clover Bar, Chappelle, Desrochers, Hays Ridge, Heritage Valley Town Centre, Keswick, Trumpeter, Kinokamau Plains, and McConachie as it is not part of their common names
Similarly change Glenridding Area to Glenridding Ravine as the latter is the common name
Should the sectors be listed alphabetically, or clockwise starting with the north sector after the mature area sector?
Blatchford is intended only to be one neighbourhood; it should likely therefore be listed within the other neighbourhoods within the mature areas sector
Casselman-Steele Heights is split between the mature area and northeast sectors; any thought about splitting them and how to do so?
I see CPR West has been officially renamed Strathcona Junction; though comparing the Strathcona Junction ARP with neighbourhood boundaries, the ARP is inclusive of the majority of CPR Irvine as well; in any event, does Strathcona Junction warrant its own article? The ARP appears to allow for residential uses between 104 Street and Gateway Boulevard
I wonder if Mill Woods Golf Course should be within Woodvale and Mill Woods Park within Lakewood, both in the template and list article, per the community mapping in the Mill Woods Development Concept
Add Mattson to Southeast Edmonton in the southeast sector
Also in the southeast sector, Rural South East should likely be struck now that Decoteau is recognized, Mattson covers the remaining portion in Southeast Edmonton, and the recently expanded The Orchards at Ellerslie covers the remaining portion in Ellerslie (The Orchards has consumed what was going to be Ellerslie Nbhd 4)
Add Grandisle, Stillwater, and White Birch to Riverview in the west sector
Replace Rural West Big Lake with Pintail Landing in Big Lake within the northwest sector
Add Marquis to Horse Hill in the northeast sector
Also, move Rural North East South Sturgeon from others to Horse Hill in the northeast sector
Edmonton Energy and Technology Park, though vast, doesn’t appear to be planned for disaggregation into neighbourhoods; it should likely therefore be listed within the other neighbourhoods within the northeast sector
If no, I suggest replacing the bluelinked EETP acronym with it spelled out and the Edmonton Energy and Technology Park that follows be replaced with Rural North East North Sturgeon

Hopefully the above list of comments is exhaustive, but I can’t guarantee there won’t be a couple more that I’ve missed in my first pass. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 07:19, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mature Area list sub-headers

Given the large amount of neighbourhoods, I can understand wanting to categorize, but is this original research? Are labels like 'The Avenue' and 'Greater Strathcona West' actual names used by the City of Edmonton? Nothing on List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton currently reflects these labels. Is there a verifiable way to subdivide these Mature Area neighbourhoods? 162.208.171.22 (talk) 02:00, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bold changes

I've made some bold changes to the template. The existing version was just too big: Category:Neighbourhoods in Edmonton has over 300 articles, and a template with all those links is too hard to navigate. With this new version:

All sectors other than the Mature Area sector have a list of areas only. There are a few neighbourhoods in these sectors that are not part of an area, in which case they are listed on the template. This significantly shortens the template, making it more accessible.
The Mature Area sector has been reorganized into 5 geographical categories. The existing layout used a good-faith OR attempt to group the neighbourhoods; I've instead used the most recent municipal elections ward map as a reference. While admittedly this is still OR, and what is truly North/West/whatever will always be up for debate, I believe it's an improvement.
Goodridge Corners and Place LaRue have been removed. These are neighbourhoods with a population of 0, and outside the scope of the template.

Comments welcome. 162 etc. (talk) 23:45, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure where I stand on these changes yet as it is now no longer consistent with List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton, but in the meantime I have eliminated some text redundancy and re-added Goodridge Corners. It is not outside of the scope of this template and is not unpopulated per the explanation in my edit summary.

Note that there was interest in overhauling List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton. See a discussion from 2020 on its talk page. Hwy43 (talk) 00:48, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, upon reviewing the Goodridge Corners ASP, it does appear that there is a residential component to the plan, so you are correct. I've also reviewed the comments at Talk:List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton, and I am unconvinced that moving away from the ASPs and CoE definitions is a good idea. While the concept of sectors, areas, and neighbourhoods is definitely a bit confusing at first glance, I still think it's better than moving everything to ward boundaries, or one of the other suggested categorizations. 162 etc. (talk) 01:48, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can see the CoE's new approach to dividing the Edmonton into districts within Map 2 on page 96 of its new MDP. I think replacing sectors (now dated from earlier planning documents) with districts are the way to go - both at List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton (first) and here (second).

I am not fond of this template excluding neighbourhoods that are nested within larger areas/communities. I get that the template is long as a result, but we can hide sections when applying the template. For example, for The Hamptons, the template would only call the West Henday district portion of the template and all 14 remaining districts would be hidden. Hwy43 (talk) 04:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And here is the necessary source that confirms which neighbourhoods are in all 15 districts and here is the district planning webpage. If this is an initiative you would like to take on, I would suggest posting a new thread at Talk:List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton to give watchers a heads up on how the overhaul would be structured. I think that was what I did during the last overhaul and it was well received. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 04:41, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing, I wasn't aware of these documents. It would appear that the sectors and areas have instead been replaced by the 15 districts; so this template, the List of neighbourhoods in Edmonton, and everything in Category:Neighbourhoods in Edmonton is outdated. I also agree that hiding sections in the template is a good way to keep the length in check. 162 etc. (talk) 05:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that districts only replace sectors. Areas would remain in the geographic hierarchy. i.e., Districts → Areas (where applicable) → Communities (where applicable) → Neighbourhoods. Hwy43 (talk) 05:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There doesn't seem to be any mention of areas in the new documents - though I'll note that with the exception of Lake District which is cut in half, they fit nicely in the new map. 162 etc. (talk) 07:19, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]