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Happy editing! Peaceray (talk) 15:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Russo Swedish War 1554-1557

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If possible, can you give the text from the book "The Livonian War: The Forgotten Victories of Ivan the Terrible 1558–1561" by Penskoy Vitaly describing it as a Russian victory? Thanks. Gvssy (talk) 21:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After Gustav signed peace with Ivan in 1557 without achieving any of the goals for the war, he took the position of overseeing the conflict in Livonia. In my edition, page 229 Dushnilkin (talk) 22:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Gvssy (talk) 22:55, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problems Dushnilkin (talk) 22:56, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, please cite the page in the source you attached. Kolya Muratov (talk) 19:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page 356 Dushnilkin (talk) 20:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I wrote to the discussion page, where I asked for the protection of the article. The person with whom I am in the "edit war" ignores all this and continues to add data that contradicts the previously mentioned sources Dushnilkin (talk) 05:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi. You made a series of edits that changed the result from "Central Powers victory" to "Initial Central Powers Victory... Eventual Entente victory". This does not follow the template documentation (this parameter may use one of two standard terms: "X victory" or "Inconclusive"). There is also an improper reference here that simply says page 116. Personally I think the original version should be restored. While the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was annulled, Russia was not a victor of the war nor were they included at Versailles. Mellk (talk) 03:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to this point, Russia had the right to demand reparations, this can be considered as a winning country Dushnilkin (talk) 06:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this contradicts the template, then you just need to provide a link to the "consequences" section, since the central powers capitulated and all diplomatic acts confirming their victory were annulled Dushnilkin (talk) 06:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding this can be considered as a winning country, do you have citation for this? The reference you provided simply says "Page 116", I do not know which work this is referring to. Mellk (talk) 06:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I specified the page in the contract itself, if you need another source for this, then I can specify it a little later Dushnilkin (talk) 06:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I have read this part in the treaty, but this falls under the policy of WP:NOR. We would need a reliable secondary source to make such conclusions. Mellk (talk) 06:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll point it out as soon as I get home. Dushnilkin (talk) 07:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion should take place at Talk:Eastern Front (World War I). I would also note that Eastern Front (World War I) scope has been for many years campaign up to Brest-Litovsk, and in that context result was clearly Central Powers victory, which is perfectly logical, just like we don't have "Eventual allied victory" in Battle of France.--Staberinde (talk) 21:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Battle for France is a campaign, and the fighting on the eastern front was up to November 11 (the second Romanian campaign), it is also de jure considered a victory for the Entente under the final peace treaty, which is confirmed by the source attached by me Dushnilkin (talk) 21:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit war

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Please read wp:brd and wp:editwar you have been reverted, make a case at talk. Slatersteven (talk) 16:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have indicated the reason for canceling your edit, if you want to start a discussion page Dushnilkin (talk) 16:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:ONUS, you are the one who needs to get consensus for inclusion. also read wp:3rr, being right is not one of the justifications. Slatersteven (talk) 16:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I created a discussion page, I don't want to start a war of edits myself, but I have questions about why the data from the source was deleted Dushnilkin (talk) 16:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except you did. Slatersteven (talk) 17:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then I apologize. I ask for an answer on the discussion page Dushnilkin (talk) 17:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Slatersteven was right, and here you are again, edit warring on Russo-Circassian War. It doesn't matter if you're right: edit warring is edit warring. Drmies (talk) 15:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've only done two rollbacks and have already asked for protection for the page, as the user ignores my requests to go to the discussion page Dushnilkin (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm "only" two, but that's one too many, and you didn't explain the last one. I don't know what it is with so many edit warriors; after your first revert, you could just wait for someone else, or wait for protection, or ask an administrator. Drmies (talk) 17:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't going to make any more edits so as not to incite a war, if it disturbed the administration - I apologize, because I didn't want to break the rules. Dushnilkin (talk) 17:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your recent edits

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Hello @Dushnilkin,

I would like to say thank you for your recent edits on the Christmas Battles page.

Also, I just checked out your user page and I did not know that we have similar interests. I particularly like to focus on the Eastern Front of World War I as well.

I would like to give a friendly introduction, have fun editing, and (hopefully) I hear back from you.

Much thanks.

Sincerely, Kevin9217 (talk) 18:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your message, I am very pleased that someone appreciated my edits on wikipedia! I hope that there will be more and more people who are interested in this war, and I hope for your cooperation in this area Dushnilkin (talk) 19:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, you did not understand the preceding text here before making your edit.
PS I have a suggestion, create an article in English Battle of Küçük Kaynarca. I have already created an article about who won there, here. Can you do it?
Kolya Muratov (talk) 13:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can try to write it tonight/tomorrow Dushnilkin (talk) 14:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote an article, you can add something if you need Dushnilkin (talk) 15:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's good.
But still about Malplaquet article, they point to an allied victory or a honourable French defeat in Aftermath, and you stated "however, there are some sources that say allies won". Are you sure you did not confuse allies with French? Kolya Muratov (talk) 15:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I quote a source: «in 1709, both sides, having replenished their armies with fresh reinforcements, met again on the battlefield near the village of Malplaquet near the fortress of Mons. Here Marlborough, together with Eugene of Savoy, led thirty thousand cavalry into battle. Another triumph of the Duke of Marlborough followed, but the loss of almost 20,000 soldiers of the Allied forces angered the society.» Dushnilkin (talk) 16:14, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks, I corrected what was slightly misspelled in aftermath. Kolya Muratov (talk) 16:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also edited Battle of Napue. - 14,000 is in total as you stated. They did not all participate in battle, unfortunately (See also the source I gave (page 95)). Kolya Muratov (talk) 17:18, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarification, it's just that my source only lists these data Dushnilkin (talk) 17:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I want to ask you something, could you add sources to my draft, as well as correct mistakes? Dushnilkin (talk) 17:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will try to correct mistakes later. As for source, you can add Sytin Military Encyclopedia, by the way, bibliography is cited there, at the very bottom: https://ru.m.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%AD/%D0%92%D0%A2/%D0%9A%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%BD Kolya Muratov (talk) 18:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I helped what I could. Though it's easier to use Sytin encyclopedia through Wikisource, but you have to use archive-org (probably), cause there can't be vandalism there. This encyclopedia is right handy, it most often takes information from many works and presents it compactly , so you can use it. Kolya Muratov (talk) 11:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot Dushnilkin (talk) 11:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Kolya Muratov (talk) 13:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again, I plan to translate the article "battle of Ican" I would like to ask you to translate the page about Vasily Serov [ru], I would be very grateful Dushnilkin (talk) 11:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see you have already created a page about this battle, good.
And I think not necessary to translate Serov page from Ru-wiki, firstly 'cause I don't see any authoritative source about him, except for ru:Список генералам по старшинству, but there is not much info for a page in Wiki. Kolya Muratov (talk) 12:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, it just seems to me that I need to fill in the gap on the English Wikipedia about the Kokand Khanate Dushnilkin (talk) 12:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a lot more to fill in, even about Peter the Great era. There's also a suggestion of what to translate: Battle of Bucharest (1771) [ru] and Reinhold-Wilhelm Essen [ru] (he won there). Also create articles about those battles where Ottomans won. For example, unsuccessful stormings/sieges in the war of 1768. One might get the feeling that Ottomans didn't beat Russians at all back then, but I'm getting sick of wiki, another time, if it's not done for me. Kolya Muratov (talk) 13:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then let me try to translate the Battle of Bucharest, and you the article about Essen Dushnilkin (talk) 13:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me take your contacts for feedback, discord or telegram for example Dushnilkin (talk) 13:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @AirshipJungleman29, it has been moved again to mainspace. It remains problematic. Zanahary 01:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I moved it back to draft myself. Zanahary 01:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on List of wars between Russia and Sweden. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Also noting that this is in direct violation of WP:ONUS, as you are edit warring to restore disputed content you insist on being on the article when the onus is actually on you to achieve consensus for it to be included. WP:AGF might also be worth a read. TylerBurden (talk) 15:04, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you violate WP:ONUS one more time on this article I do not see any alternative other than reporting you, so consider this a final warning. TylerBurden (talk) 15:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we reached a consensus on the discussion page to which I redirected you, you continue to selectively delete information in the article ignoring it. Dushnilkin (talk) 15:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever "consensus" you have in mind it seems you're the only one enforcing it, so no, you do not have consensus. Again with the selectiveness accusation, is it really so difficult to WP:AGF? TylerBurden (talk) 15:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I told you, the option I added was suggested by another user, I understand my mistake, and I'm not going to add such content to the article anymore until we get approval from all users involved in the discussion. Dushnilkin (talk) 15:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please, do not put words into my mouth (even without directly mentioning my username). I merely agreed to your suggestion, and expressed my opinion on how to present the uncertainty in the identity of the combatants. In my opinion, the discussion is not actually fully concluded since we are looking for secondary sources. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 16:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I regarded the consent to my option as an approval, I had to add that the discussion was not completed, I'll clarify next time. Dushnilkin (talk) 16:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Russian commanders

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Hello, I hope I'm not disturbing, but seeing as you certainly know more Russian history than me I thought I'd ask. On my draft: Draft:Augdov expedition, I have added two commanders, by the names of I. A. Hovanskij and T. I. Sjtjerbatov. However, I cannot for the life of me find the full names of these commanders, and I was just curious if you could help. Thanks! Gvssy (talk) 20:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I corrected it about Ivan Khovansky, about the second commander, now I'll try to look for something on him, if I find it, I'll fix it Dushnilkin (talk) 21:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Everything is done Dushnilkin (talk) 22:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Gvssy (talk) 05:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]