User talk:Jonathunder/archive19

When to use pictures of people

Are there any guidelines/standards on when to use pictures of people in entries about that person? I have pictures of several bishops I have taken myself, so I have rights to them, but I don't see lots of pictures of people and I am wondering what the guidelines are. Johnma4567 (talk) 15:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

There are legal standards, which are very broad, Wikimedia standards, which are somewhat more narrow, and ordinary politeness. In my view, the latter is simply considering how the subject of the photograph would feel to have it published. If you do that, you are unlikely to run into trouble. Jonathunder (talk) 15:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

3RR warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Dennis Hastert. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. - Cwobeel (talk) 23:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring through full protection

My protection is an admin action from an ANI complaint. There will be no edit-warring advantage for admins. Blocked 72 hours and I will mention this in the ANI thread.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 01:31, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

That was a very hasty block. I was caught in an edit conflict and didn't see a warning that the page was fully protected. And you block me for 72 hours without even a warning? Jonathunder (talk) 01:47, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm open to unblocking provided that you don't intend to edit through the protection.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 01:51, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I've already removed the block. Getting caught in an edit conflict is not a blockable offense. bd2412 T 01:52, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Look, I didn't even know the page was protected. No, I'm not going to edit it now that it is, but I would like to participate on the talk page, as I did right before your quickdraw block. Jonathunder (talk) 01:53, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't mind that. BD2412 should have waited as we were about to have this worked out. Thanks for checking with the blocking admin there BD.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 01:56, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Maybe BD should of waited (and even not be involved per В²C below), but who should have really waited was you. No reason why this couldn't have reverted and brought up with Jona before implementing a block, and I'm surprised that there doesn't seem to be an ounce of regret. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 14:50, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Things happen. I hold no grudges. I very much regret the last block I made and now that I am for the first time on the receiving end of a block, I will doubly learn my lesson not to block in haste. Administrators are not perfect, but we can learn and get better. Jonathunder (talk) 15:11, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Well said, well said...oddly I view blocks sensitively due to the community's overall stigma against having an imperfect block log, but ultimately it's not a big deal either. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 15:13, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I apologize Jona for reading the circumstances incorrectly and blocking as well as for not apologizing before now. I should have done so last night. Please forgive me.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 15:31, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

It's not easy to apologize. Thank you. Jonathunder (talk) 15:43, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Permission to use Mayowood image

We would like to use your photograph of the Mayowood residence in a temporary educational exhibit that presents the agricultural efforts of Dr. Mayo and his brother-in-law, Dr. Christopher Graham, in the context of the American Country Life movement of the early twentieth century.

If you allow us to use the image, may we convert it to black and white? And how would you like us to credit you?

Thank you for your consideration.

Jane

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Proposed deletion of David Reed (bishop)

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America media would like to use your photo

Hi there, America media, the national Catholic review, would like to use your image, Hasslerhouse.jpg to illustrate an article on John Hassler both in print and on the web. Please let us know about terms and compensation (we are a nonprofit), and how you'd like your credit to read. Thanks, Sonja

Sonja Kodiak Wilder Art Director America Media 106 West 56th Street, New York, NY 10019 Phone: 212-515-0120 Email: wilder@americamedia.org Web: www.americamedia.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Americamedia (talk • contribs) 13:43, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for William Sauntry House and Recreation Hall

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:RAAC.jpg

A tag has been placed on File:RAAC.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

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Deletion discussion about Joseph Horsfall Johnson

Hello, Jonathunder,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Joseph Horsfall Johnson should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Horsfall Johnson .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks, ThisGuyIsGreat (talk) 00:50, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Invite to the Minneapolis Institute of Art

Minneapolis Institute of Art edit-a-thon

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Found in User:Jonathunder/doc

(I doubted you see this where it was placed, so I moved it here --| Uncle Milty | talk | 16:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC))

For Jonathunder: you asked about my documentation for my edits on the Dr. William Worrall page. I am the author of the 2004 book which you already cite on that page: "I Started All This: the Life of Dr. William Worrall Mayo."Judith Hartzell (talk) 14:34, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Minnesota Secretary of State

Hey Jonathunder,

Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon recently came across one of your photos and is interested in featuring it on our official redesigned website, which is launching in May 2016. Please see Secretary Simon’s note below and let us know if you’re interested:

Dear Jonathunder,

I’m reaching out today because my office is setting up a section on our website to promote Minnesota photographers shooting pictures of Minnesota and its people. These photos will be used on the highly frequented Office of Minnesota Secretary of State website after it is redesigned, launching May 2016.

While browsing Wikimeda, we found your photograph of the state apple, the Honey Crisp(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Honeycrisp.jpg) and thought it would be a great contribution to the initial launch. Would you be interested in having your photo featured on the redesigned website?

In exchange for the use of your photo on our website, we will include your photo in the Minnesota Photographer’s Gallery and link to a profile page of you with your contact information.

If you are interested, please reply to my colleague, Lizzie Wortham, at Lizzie.Wortham@state.mn.us with your regular email address so that we can send you the details.

Thanks for your great photography! Keep up the good work.

Steve Simon Minnesota Secretary of State — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.98.17.254 (talk) 14:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:TswiftARTPOP

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Talkback

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NPA

While I see you made a point of addressing the behaviour of "Cassianto" on his talk page, I have to wonder why you limited your response to a simple comment. Why no sanctions? (or an ANI even?) I've seen other editors punished for less. His behaviour is not limited to just that comment. After I asked him about a strange comment he made on Jimbo's talk page (see here), he for some reason felt the need to follow me to the Skyfall talk page where he made multiple baiting, off-topic comments. He then continued this behaviour on the yet another film's talk page. He obviously did not take your comment seriously as seen by the rather flippant edit summary he wrote when he deleted it. All of this taken as a whole, along with his lengthy history of disruptive behaviour indicates that more action is needed to protect the project, and it's editors, from further abuse and harassment. - ^theWOLFchild 03:36, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

It's a personal attack to falsely accuse another editor of stalking too. Cassianto first edited the Skyfall article (and its talk page) in October 2012, and has done so since. That is three years before you visited the page, so it's not at all likely that he followed you from one to the other. His visit to the HP page was because another editor mentioned the thread on the Skyfall talk thread (presumably the same reason you went to that page too?), so it's not difficult to see the connection. Trying to get an editor sanctioned by miscasting the truth to fit your argument really is harrassment in my book, especially given your lengthy history of disruptive behaviour... - SchroCat (talk) 08:53, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Oh, here comes schrocat to throw more gas on flames. I was addressing Jonathunder, not you. Your comments here are purely antagonistic. - ^theWOLFchild 18:15, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

I hate to see personal attacks, but I'm not here to "punish" people. That's not my job.

@Cassianto: has told you to avoid him, and you have told him to avoid you. It's probably best for the project that you both do that. Jonathunder (talk) 15:02, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Call it "punishment", call it "moderating", call it "sanctioning"... call it whatever you like. It is your job to protect the project from disruptive editing. Cassianto was continuing to stalk and harass when I made the point of preemptively posting a request on his talk page to disengage. (let's get the order of events straight) He didn't stop, as you can see. Just as he did not abide your request to stop the NPA attacks. You were given these tools for a reason. I suggest you look more carefully at all the involved edits, and the timeline in which they occurred. I would like to see a more effective response, to prevent any more disruption. - ^theWOLFchild 18:15, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

If there is ongoing disruption that must be stopped, please take it to a noticeboard. Otherwise, my suggestion is to let it be and find something work on. Jonathunder (talk) 18:37, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

There is. Another editor template Cassianto's talk page with an NPA warning, which was immediately removed as "rubbish". Cassainto then posted a baiting comment on that editor's talk page. In other word's, he shows no signs of stopping his disruptive behaviour. (his lengthy block log shows this is nothing new for him). Now, my understanding was that the purpose of ANI was to get an admin to intervene. You're an admin and you have already begun to intervene. (an "intervention" that was rudely dismissed by the laugh, as you can see in the edit summary, he thinks this is a joke, and his behaviour is continuing). - ^theWOLFchild 18:44, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Quite simply, I do not have the time to deal with that. If you think it's warranted, you do know where the various notice boards are. Jonathunder (talk) 19:01, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Teitur Thordarson

So I take it that it's time to start Anglicising/Anglicizing (surely a debate for another day) all the other Icelandic and other articles as well? Goodo. So Þingvellir to "Thingvellir", Alþingishúsið to "Parliament House (Iceland)"? What do we do to Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson, though? Call him "Olaf", or just remove those scary diacritics and keep the rest? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:54, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Public domain images and lost NRHP properties

I've been wanting to express my thanks and appreciation for the historical images you've been adding. There really ought to be a barnstar for uploading public domain content. Regarding your open question about the image you found of Delhi, Minnesota: I'm afraid it does not show the NRHP-listed Delhi Coronet Band Hall (there's a picture at [1]). By the way, I recently learned from a colleague that the Minnesota Historical Society secured a grant to hire her to travel around the state and photograph demolished properties according to NRHP standards to have them finally delisted. So hopefully that will go a long way toward cleaning up the county lists. Thank you again for your diligence in finding and uploading those pre-1923 photos! -McGhiever (talk) 02:08, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. It's been fun browsing old postcards, and sometimes you find unexpected things in doing so. With the last update on the NRHP/progress page, Minnesota is getting pretty red.

Would you happen to know, by the way, if the Denmark Township District #34 School is still standing, and whether it might be visible from the road now that the leaves have dropped? Jonathunder (talk) 23:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

It's way back on the property but should still be there. I drove by and took a long shot of a building from the driveway opening in summer 2014, but convinced myself it was the wrong building and deleted the pic, and now think I was a self-doubting idiot who was right the first time. I am very much planning to try again this season. According to this website it has been purchased by the Denmark Township Historical Society, so hopefully it'll be readily accessible to the public one of these years. -McGhiever (talk) 03:51, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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RevDel needed

here Defamatory, uncivil, etc. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:15, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

And here. Thanks for blocking them quickly. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:18, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

It was an easy block as the throwaway accounts were obviously not here to build the encyclopedia, but do we really need to RevDel a naughty word and links to photographs of the middle finger? Jonathunder (talk) 02:00, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Cokato Temperance Hall

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Tracy Morgan page

I am new to Wikipedia and after much research noticed that there was missing info on the above page. Therefore today I made a number of edits to this page... sometimes I made edits and within minutes (seconds) before I added the sources, my edits were deleted. Thinking I did not save or edit them correctly or perhaps the required addition belonged to a separate section (family vs. early life), I kept re-adding them. Now the editor that doesn't want any of these negative details on this page actually accused me of war editing, a term I had never heard of prior to a few minutes ago. It has been commented on Morgan's talk page that there's been an effort to sanitize the information and that does appear to be the case. There are well documented sources of negative news for this celebrity that are no longer on Morgan's page (e.g. quotes that family members have made, specific homophobic comments made by Morgan, reasons for his first wife filing for divorce, etc.) that are cited in multiple prominent sources such as ABC and NY Daily News. Apparently on Wikipedia, any wealthy celebrity with the money to pay someone to monitor and edit his page is entitled to his version of the truth. I am looking for your help or advice as the I do not think the editor who made these changes is objective on the subject of Tracy Morgan and I hope that you could intervene...see the changes I made and determine if they are in fact relevant. Thanks! Hummer61 (talk) 22:58, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

File:Robert Dear in a mugshot.jpg

The image is nominated as possibly unfree. I invite you to comment there. --George Ho (talk) 02:42, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Phase II RfC

Hi Jonathunder. I just wanted to let you know that I undid the oppose !vote you cast for the C4 proposal, since it has already been closed per WP:SNOW and there is no longer any need to oppose it. Thank you for your participation in the other proposals, however. Biblioworm 21:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Fine. However, I could not let the incorrect definition of majority stand without comment. I'd invite you to review that article as you find time. Jonathunder (talk) 08:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings!

Hello Jonathunder: Enjoy the holiday season and upcoming winter solstice, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:26, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

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Common names

Compare Google Books searchs:

• [2] George Selway 11
• [3] George R. Selway 11
• [4] George Rhys Selway 6
• (Internet search: George Selway 44:George R, Selway 18)

• [5] Kim Myers 21
• [6] Kilmer Myers 5
• [7] C. Kilmer Myers 14
• [8] Chauncey Kilmer Myers 2

• [9] William Black 91
• [10] William G. Black 24
• [11] William Grant Black 7

So you can see why I made those moves. And maybe you might move them back? Thanks DBD 22:43, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm using the names given in the articles themselves and the sources I find in improving the articles. That's a better basis for establishing the title than running Google, which will pick up unrelated people as you use fewer elements of the name. You might also consider that in the United States we are more likely to use full names for bishops. The ones I've worked on are mostly American. We should respect the appropriate version of English. Jonathunder (talk) 22:48, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

The thing is I've been researching these bishops' common names (and I always include multiple possibilities — including full name, middle initial etc. as above) because we have a naming policy called WP:COMMONNAME. That's for a reason — for instance death notices, consecration announcements and obits will tend to use full names whether or not that is how they are/were generally called. DBD 11:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm familiar with COMMONNAME which does refer also to ENGVAR and ambiguous naming. You've been moving a lot of bishops around based on your Google searches, but I am focused on individual articles through improving them and adding sources. On these that you listed, I think they are properly named. Jonathunder (talk) 15:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Hang on; if you think these are properly named, then doesn't that imply you trust my method? Why are reverts continuing? DBD 11:42, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Those three are named correctly where they are right now. You have moved many pages, often as your only edit to the article, and I don't trust your "method" as you appear to be ignoring ENVAR. But I am not reverting all of your mass moves by any means. I've only undone a few of your moves on pages I am working on and know the sources. It's only by familiarity with the subject that you can know what the title should be. Jonathunder (talk) 04:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean by familiarity with the subject? How would you apply ENGVAR to such article names? Is there a consistent form by which they're all called? The sources would suggest otherwise. If the ENGVAR for TEC is non-consistency, then surely it is no VAR at all! DBD 16:05, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

You gain familiarity with subjects by reading the sources, not by running Google searches and moving pages en masse. I would encourage you to stop moving articles around and focus on improving them. Jonathunder (talk) 01:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, a year late

Sorry i missed your message from a year ago!

I hope things are going well with you and your partner. I hope 2014 went well and 2015. Happy Winter Holidays and a great New Year! -- Ellenois

Precious anniversary

Two years ago ...

images of Minnesota
... you were recipient no. 712 of Precious, a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Psychology of eating meat

	Some cashews and/or beef jerky for you
	Your choice—but beware! The beef jerky is spiked with a neurochemical that will make you think cows are dumb. [12] Many thanks for your support in the AFD, and for the DYK nomination! FourViolas (talk) 01:23, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Ted Cruz

I would suggest to you that when you revert a whole bunch of edits that another editor did (especially when that editor gave reasons for the edits) then you should try to give reasons why you reverted ALL of the edits instead of simply giving out a snarky little comment such as "Not an Improvement". First of all, my edits were an improvement so the comment is false because I moved the information into chronological order as the MOS requires AND I cleaned up the sloppy citation work and added a template for the citation, etc. But you reverted that work without giving an explanation and without attempting to work with me on my changes. Yes, I know you are an admin but your work was sloppy and it did not even attempt to work with the other editor, who was me. If your work on Ted Cruz is indicative of the way that you edit then I don't know how you became an admin. Yes, you may now follow me around and delete all of work, find anything you can to get me in trouble, etc. I don't mind because I got to tell you that your editing is a joke and shows what is wrong with Wikipedia: admins like you that throw around your weight and just immediately revert others work and don't put an ounce of thought into what they are doing. You can review your lousy editing here: Lousy Editing On Ted Cruz Article.ML (talk) 21:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Ted Cruz is a fast moving page and you did a whole series of edits, some of which may have been an improvement, some of which I didn't see as one. I would suggest using a clear edit summary for each change so other editors can follow what you're doing. But I have no intention of following you around Wikipedia. Jonathunder (talk) 22:52, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I did provide a "clear summary" for the edits that I did. Here is an example of a "clean summary" that you either ignored or you simply missed: Example of Jonathunder missing a clear summary. I would suggest that you read them, if you didn't. The edit that you made was sloppy and it needed improvement. I am not at fault for your sloppy editing. You are. Also, if you want to reply then leave this conversation here and please do not move back to my page since this discussion concerns your editing mistakes, not mine. I look forward to a your version of a Wikipedia Admin's Star Chamber, in response to my decision to confront your sloppy editing. You are the one that needs to improve, not me.ML (talk) 23:13, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

These edits of yours in the series had no meaningful edit summaries: [13], [14], [15], [16]. It would be helpful if you use them in the future. Jonathunder (talk) 23:31, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

It would be helpful if you were to read the edit summarizes are given in the future.--ML (talk) 00:00, 16 January 2016 (UTC)