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Hello

Erm... Hello! Whoever you are! Julianhall (talk) 07:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• G'day mate. If you're keen come and join in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby league.--Jeff79 (talk) 18:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Fixture copyrights

As ridiculous as it may sound, sports fixtures are subject to copyright in the UK, and this has been upheld in court (The Football League Limited v Littlewoods Pools Ltd, 1959). They are thus incompatible with Wikipedia's GFDL licensing. Now I'd like to hope that the rugby authorities have a more sensible approach than the football authorities, but in the case of football the league charge £9,000 per season for the privilege of publishing fixtures, and are notoriously litigious when it comes to enforcing it. However, from a quick search I found [1] (word doc link) which starts "These fixtures are the copyright of Super League (Europe) Ltd, Registered Office, Red Hall, Red Hall Lane, Leeds, LS17 8NB and must NOT be reproduced in whole or in part except by written consent of the RFL".

While fixtures are copyrighted, results are not eligible for copyright, as they are historical fact. Further reading at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_20#Fixtures. Oldelpaso (talk) 22:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

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Redirecting problem

WP:RL seems to have some confusion about naming articles, since there appears to be two formats for articles about season results:

• "<year> <competition> season results" : 2008 Super League season results
• "<competition> <numeral> results" : Super League XIV Results

I'm planning to tidy up 2008's page by merging the play-offs page into the results page. As it is currently, this would result in a double redirect. I'm also planning to do a results page to accompany every SL season so far, so we need an agreed format for all SL season results pages. The Aussie contributors are far ahead of us in this field, and I reckon we should just follow their example, which I've made bold in the list above. Agreed? GW(talk) 23:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that the actual page name is too important, so certainly i'd be happy with us following the '2009 Super League results' format. I also agree that the playoffs article should be merged into the main results page. Julianhall (talk) 15:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Cheers. It's just that, since we edit the articles, we know the names of them and we know how to navigate our way around. It's not so easy if you're a general reader and the names seem to go all over the place. I'll get to work on it. GW(talk) 21:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

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Super League playoffs

Hi Julianhall

Do you have a source that confirms the higher QPO loser plays the lower EPO winner?

The source which the article refers to says the matchups are as follows:

Preliminary Semi Final 1

QPO 1 Loser V EPO 1 Winner

Preliminary Semi Final 2

QPO 2 Loser V EPO 2 Winner

--Nitsansh (talk) 22:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Yep, it's not explained, but this article on the Super League website clearly shows that Huddersfield (i.e. the highest-ranked QPO loser) will play Catalans (i.e. the lowest-ranked EPO winner). Julianhall (talk) 10:11, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I found this source later last night and ammended the references to this one.--Nitsansh (talk) 13:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixtures

Why are we not allowed to publish upcoming fixtures? are they protected by copyright laws?--Nitsansh (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Exactly! check out this section further up this very page where i was told about it myself earlier this year. Julianhall (talk) 21:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Exactly which sports/leagues have copyright of their fixtures?--Nitsansh (talk) 22:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

There's another issue to consider. Wikipedia is hosted on servers in the U.S., which means that the most pertinent copyright law is American. While sports leagues are free to copyright their fixture lists, listing a small subset of fixtures (say, one week of the season, or possibly the playoffs) would probably fall under the fair use doctrine of U.S. copyright law. — Dale Arnett (talk) 22:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Additional comment: Fair use is a defense, not a blanket license to copy. — Dale Arnett (talk) 23:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Which sports and leagues hold copyright, i do not know. I do know that Super League Europe hold copyright of their fixtrures, therefore we shouldn't publish them as per the comments above. Julianhall (talk) 11:12, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Instead of arguing over copyright law, which is complex enough without the debate over whether the UK/US/Fair use laws apply (and to the best of my knowledge none of us are qualified to speak of such things anyway), I think it's wiser to just play safe and state simply that, "Hull KR will face Wigan in the second phase of the play-offs" or something along those lines. GW(talk) 11:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree with your comments about copyright law, definitely better to play it safe. As far as your other comment is concerned, i don't think we even need to state who will play who. This is, at the end of the day, an encyclopaedia, and encyclopaedias don't publish fixtures. Plus, this is a results page, not a fixtures page. Finally, the second round of games will be complete in a week's time, and the playoffs all finished in three weeks. If people are looking for fixtures, i'm sure that they will look at other sites before this one. Julianhall (talk) 12:10, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

There are numerous pages about sport events that list the schedule of matches/competitions. I see no reason to assume by default that all these are copyrighted. It seems to me that only UK domestic leagues have copyright of their fixtures.--Nitsansh (talk) 18:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Nor do i. All i stated was that Super League Europe fixtures are copyrighted, which is what i was told earlier this year, further up this very page. You are more than welcome to make whatever assumptions you see fit to make. I am simply stating that, unless anyone who understands copyright law well can explain otherwise, it is almost certainly safer to err on the side of caution and not publish fixtures. Also, i would remind you that just because there are lists of fixtures elsewhere on Wikipedia, it does not necessarily mean that they are allowed to be displayed. Can we draw a line under this now? I think that we can all agree that Super League Europe fixtures are under copyright and shouldn't be published here, can't we? Julianhall (talk) 18:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Is it OK to publish the dates and rounds only without the teams involved? See this and this--Nitsansh (talk) 04:24, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I can only really reiterate what i have already said, i.e. that this isn't my field of expertise, and that if we're unsure, it's better to err on the side of caution. If i was forced to choose, i would guess that it is OK, but i must stress that's my assumption and that as there is doubt, i'd probably not even publish that. Maybe we could contact the RFL about this since it's rumbling on so much? Maybe we should discuss it on WP:RL? Does anyone know if there is any sort of precedent for Wikipedia doing this sort of thing? Julianhall (talk) 10:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Section added to the WP:RL talk page here. Julianhall (talk) 11:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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A fact I'm fully aware of. However, Wikipedia rules ARE Wikipedia rules. I suggest you remember that. Julianhall (talk) 10:00, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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