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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:24, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

August Wesley (wrestler)

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Article should be deleted because the subject is not noteworthy enough to have an entry in an encyclopedia. The information is misleading and littered with puffery.

The two world team appearances mentioned in the introduction are veterans world teams which a reader only realizes if they get all the way down to the "International Award Winning Wrestler" section. He placed 8th and 10th at the World champtionships with an age restriction of 35-40 or 41-45 one of those. This is not notable enough for an entry in wikipedia. It is hardly notable enough for an article anywhere 4-7 years after the fact. Good luck finding the names of the 7 or 9 guys who were ranked ahead of him at this event. Most likely none have wikipedia pages and those that do have it for other accomplishments.

Getting considered for induction into the Sacramento Sports Hall of Fame but not inducted is not notable. Anyone can nominate someone and the state reason "the most decorated Greco Roman wrestler and coach ever to come from Sacramento" is highly dubious. Morris Johnson is from Sacramento and was among the top greco roman competitors in the country from 1981-1988 and placing not just competing in the Olympic trials. He doesn't have a wikipedia page.

If one goes down the list of Wesley's awards and look at others who won those distinctions (provided you can even find them) few if any will have wikipedia entries and those that do will be because they won much more significant competitions and awards.

The list of major international competitions are not major in any way. If they were they would be in the database on the UWW website [1] but there are no entries for August Wesley of these major international competitions. Anonymous editing as 75.103.228.94 (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]


TTotal BS. "He has over 25 years coaching experience and has been selected 14 times to lead U.S. teams at international competition in 24 countries on five continents earning the Outstanding Coach's Award twice in Australia and Austria[3]" - He only has listed under coaching career international coaching positions on 3 continents (Europe, Asia, and Australia) and 13 countries at most. The organizations this was for World Sports Alliance and International Sports Specialists are not major organization (they don't have Wikipedia pages) nor are their events the most significant ones in the sport of wrestling. Those are run by UWW[2] formerly Fila.

The early years section contains information largely on other people like his cousin and son. It also spans until he was 32 years old and includes information on his son's accomplishments from a few years ago. Attending a world team camp is not notable if you aren't on the world team. He was "hand selected" because he didn't earn it by winning a spot on the world team. Being a member of the sunkist kids when they won 6 wrestling national championships is not significant. A member of the practice squad on the 2018 Clemson national championship team doesn't get a wikipedia page. Those photos have captions listing Olympians, NCAA all-Americans, world team members, world medalists and August Wesley winner of a AAU national qualifier tournament in 1996. There are a lot of other people in those photos not named in the captions August Wesley should be one of them. Full results from past US Senior Open Greco national championships are hard to find. They have place winners and partial results starting in 2001 on the USAW website. Full brackets from the more recent years are available online. It is likely going to very difficult to verify if he competed in that in 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001, but it's an open anyone can enter just pay the fee. He wasn't among the place winners in 2001[3] which is the only year readily available.

Greco-Roman wrestling
1995 U.S. Winter Nationals, Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA - competing in a tournament and not placing is not notable unless maybe it was something bit like the Olympics.
1996 U.S. Olympics Trials, San Jose, California, USA - competing in but not winning or placing at the Olympics trials is not notable enough for a Wikipedia entry.

1999 Pat Shaw International, 5th place, Guatemala City - nothing in the reference shows he placed 5th. No one would lie about being 5th at this tournament because it isn't worth lying about it. It isn't big enough for the results to be anywhere online or in the UWW Database [4]

2000 U.S. National Greco-Roman Championships, DNP (76 kg) - US National Greco-Roman championships is an open tournament anyone paying the entry fee can enter. Not placing (DNP) at this tournament is in no way notable. Very difficult to verify this claim, but little reason to make it either. The 2019 event is an open tournament [5] and it was not subtantively different in 2000.

2000 U.S. Olympic Trials, Iowa, USA - same comments as the 1996 olympic trials.

2012 Veterans World Championships, 8th place (85 kg), Budapest, Hungary - He competed at the B age division of veterans world championships. B age division which is 35-43 year old competitors[6]. This event isn't taken that seriously. At the us veterans national greco-roman championships Wesley took 2nd out of three [7] to qualify for this. Veterans nationals is an open like the senior open - anyone can enter.

2015 UWW World Championships, 9th place, Athens, Greece - Wesley wrestle a single match at this even losing by tech fall [8]. Unlike in 2012 it doesn't look like he even had to place at the US Veterans nationals to qualify. The results show two wrestlers in the competition at his weight/age[9]. I imagine neither of those guys wanted to pay and travel to Athens so he was able to take their place.


Freestyle wrestling

1999 Pat Shaw International, 7th place, Guatemala City, Guatemala - same comments as the greco results for this.

2012 Veterans World Championships, 10th place, Budapest, Hungary - same comments as the greco result from this tournament with the addition that he did not complete at the US veterans nationals in this style[10]. I imagine that none of the 4 guys who did wanted to travel to Budapest (you pay your own way) and since he was going to greco he did both.

2015 UWW Veterans World Championships, 10th place, Athens, Greece - he wrestled a single match which he lost by pinfall[11]. Similar to greco it doesn't look like he needed to qualify as he didn't wrestle at veterans nationals[12] and was probably just filling a spot that otherwise would have been empty.

2015 Copa Sparta, San Juan, Puerto Rico - Not significant tournament to merit an page even if he won, but it seems like he is just saying he competed in it which is believable, but insignificant.

Coaching

The coaching achievement section reads like a resume. None are significant enough to warrant an entry. He was a high school head coach (San Juan High School) for three years then he was the assistant coach at Sierra College, a junior college[13](CCCAA), then a high school (Jesuit High School) for 5 years, followed by being the head coach at a club(NCWA[14]) program at Sacramento State University, and finally the head coach of the club (NCWA) wrestling program at Iowa state university. Nothing there is worth of inclusion. His teams were good, but not even a great NCWA (this is not a varsity sport at the college) coach has a wikipedia page. No assistant CCCAA coach has one. No somewhat above average head coach of a California high schools gets one. The NCWA coach of the year awards are one some level a nice achievement but many of these NCWA college club programs are student run with no coach and it wasn't like a national coach of the year distinction, but rather some region. Finally its unclear how much coaching he was doing for the college clubs as he was simultaneously the at Inderkum High School in Sacramento whilst supposedly coaching a club program in Ames, IA.

Awards and Honors section

2002 Selected as a runner in the 2002 Olympic Torch Relay in Salt Lake City, Utah - Not notable. Thousands of runners participate in the Olympic torch relay. It's a cool thing to have done, but does not merit an entry in wikipedia.

2018 Sacramento Sports Hall of Fame - 2019 Nominee[5] - not sure why there are multiple (2018 and 2019) years here. In any event he was not inducted[15]. Nomination are submited by the SSHOF committee and fans[16]. He probably nominated himself and the claim that he is "the most decorated Greco Roman wrestler and coach ever to come from Sacramento" is surely untrue or puffery at best.

2017 Great Plains Conference Team Championship certificate looks fake. It says 123certificates on it. Any organization using certificates printed out at 123certificates[17] can't be taken very seriously. It's an achievement but not one that is notable enough. Anonymous editing as 75.103.228.94 (talk) 23:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://unitedworldwrestling.org/database
  2. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_World_Wrestling
  3. ^ https://content.usawmembership.com/results/16246
  4. ^ https://unitedworldwrestling.org/database
  5. ^ https://usawevents.sportngin.com/page/show/5243190-eligibility-membership
  6. ^ https://content.themat.com/forms/Weights.pdf
  7. ^ https://content.usawmembership.com/results/101841
  8. ^ https://content.usawmembership.com/results/102531
  9. ^ https://content.usawmembership.com/results/102437
  10. ^ https://content.usawmembership.com/results/101842
  11. ^ https://content.usawmembership.com/results/102532
  12. ^ https://content.usawmembership.com/results/102438
  13. ^ http://athletics.sierracollege.edu/sports/wrest/index
  14. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Wrestling_Association
  15. ^ https://www.sacsportshof.com/inductees
  16. ^ https://www.sacsportshof.com/selectionprocess
  17. ^ https://www.123certificates.com/
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Rhode Island-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - As a wrestler, Wesley does not appear to have wrestled at the highest levels of competition. As a coach, lots of mentions in local press but not the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources that would establish notability. If there is an actual good claim for notability in the article, then it would be easily missed amongst all the puffery in the article. -- Whpq (talk) 01:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete Doesn't meet WP:NSPORT as he never competed at the highest level. Article seems full of puffery and the coverage seems to be routine sports reporting and/or local coverage.Sandals1 (talk) 14:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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