Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celia Ross
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Tone 17:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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NDP candidate in 2011 Federal election. Does not meet notability requirements. Recommend Delete and Redirect to New Democratic Party of Canada candidates, 2011 Canadian federal election. Suttungr (talk) 11:31, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- A candidate who doesn't meet WP:POLITICIAN can still meet another notability guideline, such as WP:ACADEMIC — specifically, criterion #6: The person has held a major highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution. While the article certainly needs improvement, as a former president of a university she is notable enough in principle to have an independent article regardless of whether she won or not when she subsequently ran as an election candidate. Keep and improve. Also, please note that she was not a candidate in the federal election back in May, but in the provincial election earlier this month — so if this were to be redirected, the appropriate target would be Ontario New Democratic Party candidates, 2011 Ontario provincial election, not the federal list. Bearcat (talk) 16:25, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand. A former President of a University seems notable enough for mine. Article could do with some expansion though. Capitalistroadster (talk) 16:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete or redirect per Bearcat. Algoma University (1200 students) is not a major institution. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:51, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Any properly chartered university, regardless of the size of its student body, is "major" enough for the guideline if valid sources can be found. Wikipedia does not apply arbitrary size cutoffs to its inclusion rules — the "major" distinction is meant to kick out private "career colleges" and unaccredited degree mills, not to separate real public universities into "large enough" and "not large enough" piles. Bearcat (talk) 17:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you have something to back up your interpretation? Because I'm not seeing it in WP:ACADEMIC. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Familiarity with actual past practice and actual standing precedent, ya think maybe? Better yet, you don't suppose maybe I might even have been directly involved in drafting the notability guidelines in the first place? Bearcat (talk) 05:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- No need to get snippy. I just asked a simple question - which you haven't really answered. Evidently you didn't contribute to the WP:Civility guidelines. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:18, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Wow. If you think that was uncivil I'd hate to see what you'd call it when someone actually crossed that line. And yes, I did answer the question. Bearcat (talk) 04:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- No need to get snippy. I just asked a simple question - which you haven't really answered. Evidently you didn't contribute to the WP:Civility guidelines. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:18, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Familiarity with actual past practice and actual standing precedent, ya think maybe? Better yet, you don't suppose maybe I might even have been directly involved in drafting the notability guidelines in the first place? Bearcat (talk) 05:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you have something to back up your interpretation? Because I'm not seeing it in WP:ACADEMIC. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Any properly chartered university, regardless of the size of its student body, is "major" enough for the guideline if valid sources can be found. Wikipedia does not apply arbitrary size cutoffs to its inclusion rules — the "major" distinction is meant to kick out private "career colleges" and unaccredited degree mills, not to separate real public universities into "large enough" and "not large enough" piles. Bearcat (talk) 17:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep – Has had coverage in multiple reliable sources, including the Sault Star, the Sudbury Star, the Toronto Star, and the Ottawa Citizen. I've added multiple citations just now. I note from the sources that her notability is not so much for her political candidacy, but mainly for her presidency of Algoma. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:55, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Just wondering why the person who started this page was not notified that this article is being proposed for deletion? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:12, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - As pointed out by Paul Erik, the subject appears to meet the general notability guideline. VQuakr (talk) 03:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, notable as a former University president. Me-123567-Me (talk) 22:04, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
