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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 05:26, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Everybody, Sing!

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The majority of the references in this article are published by ABS-CBN, the creator of "Everybody, Sing!". Those sources are primary, self-published, and not independent. When I tried to find any additional sources for this topic, almost all of them are published by ABS-CBN. EJPPhilippines (talk) 05:33, 9 December 2022 (UTC) Primary, self-published and non-independent sources are not criteria for a reliable source, therefore I think that these are resonable grounds to believe that the topic does not meet WP:GNG. I PRODed this article before but it was objected. EJPPhilippines (talk) 05:40, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For discussion on the significance of the sources
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 04:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Meets WP:NTV with sources presented by SeanJ. They're reliable and in-depth enough IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 05:42, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:NTV is not an enforced guideline. And the sources still don't seem to talk about the TV program itself.
    • Source No. 1 and 2 is about the second season of the TV program.
    • Source No. 3 is an announcement of TV program's debut, and not the TV program itself.
    • Source No. 4 is published by a company associated with TV5 Network, which would imply that source may not be independent, as the TV program is also aired on TV5.
    • Source No. 5 is about the postponement of the TV program.
    EJPPhilippines (talk) 06:04, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    At this point, ABS-CBN airs shows on 2 free-to-air channels that they don't own (A2Z and TV5) and one cable channel that they entirely own (Kapamilya Channel). If any of those are deemed not independent as well, we might as well cull ESPN sources in NBA articles, of which obviously we won't ever do. I'd say TV5 and A2Z sources are independent of the show (I don't think they are into "producing" the show). Source #3 and #5 and valid since it is about what the program is fairing; again, we won't remove sources of stating the 2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike on TV show programs. I haven't check who published sources #1 to #3, but if those aren't published by ABS-CBN, that's valid as that's exactly the kind of sources you are looking for.
    I know we have to check out WP:RS, but I have to call you out that this is laughingly bordering on absurdity. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: I guess that we need to ping other users to share their opinion regarding presented sources. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 08:41, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, founded new sources for the article: [6], [7]. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 08:45, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Source #7 does not have enough significant coverage of the TV program, but source #6 is okay. But that does not mean that there will be more independent sources, than sources published by ABS-CBN. I found at least 20 sources published by ABS-CBN, compared to only 7 independent sources found within this AFD. EJPPhilippines (talk) 04:27, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sources presented by SeanJ are definitely reliable and in-depth enough IMV. You can never change my mind. Ever. SBKSPP (talk) 08:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There still seems to be disagreement about the quality of the sources available to support GNG.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:57, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Compared to most of the articles in the Philipine TV article space, not seeing an issue with this at all. Sourcing is there and it has enough non-ABS-CBN sources to pass GNG. That, and I see a barren talk page with no engagement since July 2021. The nom is advised to work out their issues there first next time. Nate • (chatter) 21:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above, I'm not seeing any problems in regards to these article. If the reference sources is the main issue, I highly suggested to the nominator to remove those instead of opening an AfD discussion that doesn't solve it at all. CruzRamiss2002 (talk) 14:17, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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