Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maurice Aubert

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:39, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maurice Aubert

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Fails notability guidelines for biographies. The French article cites two sources. One of them doesn't even mention Aubert, and the other only establishes him as a member of CIELT in a list of members. It also provides two external links, both of which cite Wikipedia as their sources on information about Aubert. Even the supposedly better French article fails to establish notability; there has been no significant coverage of this person in any reliable source whatsoever.

It appears that at least a handful of academic publications are associated with Aubert, but this is not sufficient to establish notability for academics. WP:NACADEMIC sets out a list of criteria, and there is nothing to indicate he meets any of them. Importantly, there is no coverage of his academic work in any secondary sources.

There is also no indication in reliable sources that Aubert won any kind of award or was repeatedly nominated for a notable award. Actualcpscm (talk) 17:29, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. For same reasons listed above. -Hannahthom7 (talk) 17:33, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and France. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The French article mentions a number of honours and awards that likely pass WP:ANYBIO #1 and WP:NACADEMIC #2. Likely also holder of an established professorial chair, which passes WP:NACADEMIC #5. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Necrothesp! The issue with those claims from the French article is that they are not sourced well, because they are not sourced at all. WP:NACADEMIC requires that a notable academic meet any of the criteria "as substantiated through reliable sources", which is not the case for the French article. For example, the French article claims that he has received the Ordre national de la Légion d'honneur, but there simply is no sourcing on this. I really think it's a bad idea to base notability on unsubstantiated claims from another article. Notability cannot be established without any reliable sourcing. Please let me know if you disagree, or if you find any reliable sources to actually substantiate the claims that would support notability. Happy editing! Actualcpscm (talk) 09:38, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 08:06, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Completely fails any notability check. UtherSRG (talk) 11:34, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, more per WP:V than for notability reasons. The French version makes claims that look like claims of notability but that are so utterly unverifiable as to make me wonder whether this might be a hoax. For instance, what is this "Académie des sciences, arts et belles-lettres du Calvados" that supposedly gave him its prize in 1953? The academy of agriculture does have a silver medal [1] (supposedly given to him in 1955) but I can only find records of it dating back to 1984. About all that I can verify is that someone named Maurice Jean Desiré Aubert appears to have lived for the dates specified here. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:53, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It is incorrect to say that Aubert "fails" a notability check. There has been no notability check. A Google search, even in French, is not a "notability check". The material we have on him states that he was awarded, for example, chevalier de l'Ordre de la Légion d'honneur in 1974. The French government hasn't listed awards of the pre-internet era online, but lists of the awards from 1974 exist on paper: from p 4109 of Journal officiel de la République française: Lois et décrets, April 1974, ... grand chancelier de la Légion d'honneur , vu la déclaration du conseil de l'ordre en date du 7 mars 1974 portant que ... M. Aubert ( Maurice , Jean , Désiré ) , professeur d'hydrogéologie et de climatologie à l'école nationale according to Google books). No one here has looked for these physical copies or announcements of his other awards (dating from the 1950s) or printed biographical material about him. On the other hand, until someone has access to these sources and others we can't write a useful article about him. It's a shame that the French article is so poorly sourced. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:40, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@David Eppstein, definitely not a hoax. We pretend the academic world started with the internet. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also the academy in question is Académie des Sciences, Arts et Belles-Lettres de Caen in Calvados. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete : Does not meet notability based on lack of citations. Hkkingg (talk) 17:43, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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