Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roger Dobkowitz

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Overall, consensus seems to suggest that the subject is in fact sufficiently notable for inclusion. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Roger Dobkowitz

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Individual is a producer on a game show and is not notable. Article is filled with original research without reliable sources and has been tagged as unreferenced since December 2008. Biography includes anecdotal unreferenced stories all related to game shows and includes minimal actual biographic information. Appears to be an extension of a fanpage. Sottolacqua (talk) 14:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:BLP standards. Only one reference and two external links. Willking1979 (talk) 15:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Producer on the Price is Right for most of its existence. Actually a stronger case than Kathy Greco. --User:Woohookitty ^{Disamming fool!} 15:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He was a "producer on the Price is Right for most of its existence." Why is this a stronger case? Simply because he worked on a television show for 20x years does not make him notable. If that were the case we'd have innumerable articles about every person in the television industry, from production assistants to stage hands. How is this person more notable than any other game show producer? Sottolacqua (talk) 16:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in agreement with Woohookitty. Roger was with Price from its return to television in 1972 until his ousting by Syd Vinnedge in mid-2008. And no, it's not an extension of a fanpage – it's a well-known fact that, after Roger was fired, the quality of the show dropped considerably. (You know, Sottolacqua, it's really interesting that all the game-show articles you've nominated for deletion were all edited by me at some point or another.) Daniel Benfield (talk) 18:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a debate about the production quality of The Price is Right. This is a debate of whether or not Roger Dobkowitz is notable enough to warrant an article here. Please keep discussion on topic. Sottolacqua (talk) 19:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - Possibly Merge into an article like list of Price Is Right staff with Greco and others? Dobkowitz brings up over 22,000 Google hits, at least some of which are legitimate news sources. The article needs to be sourced and I'd like to see more sources specifically regarding his departure and contribution to TPIR. That said, having created 18 of the show's pricing games, if there is a source (reliable, not third party like golden-road) that can source this information, that would prove notability (creating a significant number of the games on the longest-running game show is notable to me. People know these games, and they are referenced outside the show). TheHYPO (talk) 20:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This has no bearing on my opinion of Keep, but I have a personal problem with this AFD: it really seems like Sottolacqua is going on a personal vendetta against TPIR articles. The Pricing Games articles didn't pass his AFD nom, so now he's nominating these articles. I could be wrong, but it looks this way to me with this many TPIR articles nominated consecutively. TheHYPO (talk) 20:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is the footer template for all things Price is Right:

How could all of this information possibly be notable enough on its own to warrant this many individual articles? Sottolacqua (talk) 21:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because the show is a long-running program? Because the show has so many intricate facets that can't be discussed on just 3-4 pages (main worldwide, US, pricing games, 1994 Davidson)? I'm not sure, but it's probably one of those. Daniel Benfield (talk) 22:50, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Dobkowitz has won four Emmys as a Producer. Probably should be in the article. Jim Miller ^{See me | Touch me} 21:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Four Emmys=1 page on Wikipedia; reference found by Jim Miller added to the article. J04n(talk page) 01:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per JimMillerJr and J04n. Steam5 (talk) 03:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest Possible Keep. Four Emmy awards alone passes WP:ANYBIO as an Emmy is certainly a "notable award or honor." He was also senior producer of a show on the air for three and a half decades, played a significant part in the creative forces of the show - creating some of the show's more recognizable games, is regarded as an important figure amongst his peers (WP:CREATIVE), has played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work (WP:CREATIVE). He also was an on-air presence on the show with hundreds of apperances and has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following which passes per WP:ENTERTAINER. That's 4 specific instances guidelines of meeting the guidelines for inclusion, and with more time I could probably find more. Yes, the article needs some cleanup and a bit more sourcing, but there's no question it's suitable for inclusion.DJBullfish 21:33, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If he's so freaking notable, where're the sources? Source the article, don't just blindly argue to keep it and then let it rot in its unsourced state forever. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 22:05, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

His notability is being attributed to his Emmys (by me at least), I did add a source for that before I !voted. J04n(talk page) 23:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just of note, contrary to what's mentioned, Dobkowitz has been in many media as of late, and was also part of production to the Match Game hosted by the late Gene Rayburn in the 1970s.Mitch32^{(A fortune in fabulous articles can be yours!)} 22:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per addition of sources; reasonable assertation of notability with a 30-plus-year career and five Emmy wins. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:28, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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