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This article (for a footballer) has been deleted numerous times on the grounds that the player was not notable as he had not played in for a professional team in a professional league. On 29 September 2009 he did! Can the article please be recreated and unprotected?--Egghead06 (talk) 08:11, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
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While the title of the article may seem inflammatory, the main information on this article was that it was a portmanteau of Barack Obama and Osama Bin Laden and generally used as a political epithet. Also in the article, it was stated that Dean Singleton used this portmanteau in front of Obama. This was speedily deleted without review by administrator Bearian as a personal attack, which if the content of the deleted article were shown, it would clearly be shown that the content was not a personal attack at all. The article was sourced, and though a stub, was encyclopedic.XCD (talk) 01:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
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The closure was outside of process. The closing admin closed with the explanation: "The 2 main sources noted here as proof of notability seem to confer notability on Rosas Farms rather than Al Rosas specifically, as he is not the main subject of either article.. The controversy, as poorly sourced as it is, offers no indication of notability either." My main concern is with the first reason. The issue of whether he was the main subject of the articles presented in the was never tabled by any of the editors advocating deletion. The only editor raising this as an issue actually changed from delete to keep after a more thorough review of the sources. This was discussed with the closing admin before listing at DRV. See User talk:Kevin#Al Rosas Whpq (talk) 13:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not going to stubbornly hold out here when it is clear that I overstepped the bounds of admin discretion in my closing. I've restored the article & talk page. I'll leave it to another to determine whether it is "keep" or "no consensus". Kevin (talk) 07:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
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No consensus was reached on the discussion page. Views on both sides were expressed, but two people (myself and an administrator by the name of C.Fred) supported its retention. In this case the proper procedure is to revert to keep. Please undelete this page ASAP. QuantockWarrior (talk) 14:56, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Mr Rjanag, this is what the guidelines on deletion state: "After seven days have passed, the discussion is moved to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old, and a disinterested (i.e. one who has not participated in the deletion discussion) admin or editor in good standing (observing the recommendations for non-admin closure) will assess the discussion and make a decision to Keep, Delete, Merge, Redirect, or Transwiki the article based on a judgment of the consensus of the discussion. If there has been no obvious consensus to change the status of the article, the person closing the AfD will state No consensus, and the article will be kept." There was no consensus. Therefore the person closing the AfD should have stated "No Consensus". That is why the deletion was improper. As for you, you haven't explained why the arguments for deletion were stronger than those for retention, other than because you say so. QuantockWarrior (talk) 16:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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This page was deleted a second time around because it was presumed to be no more than a recreation of the first version. This was not the case. The second version, I believe, sufficiently demonstrated notability. Ottens (talk) 12:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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No sources were ever added that weren't trivial and complied with WP:N. The article failed WP:N and WP:WEB, very poor arguments were put forward. The notability concerns weren't disputed or addressed. AFDs are not supposed to be closed by numbers but by strength of arguments. So easily should've been a delete. Otterathome (talk) 11:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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The deletion of Category:German-American_politicians, while Category:Italian-American politicians, Category:Irish-American politicians, Category:Polish-American politicians, Category:Jewish American politicians, Category:African American politicians and other American politicians by ethnic or national origin are not deleted, constitutes both POV and obstruction of the category system. Either the category and its content must be restored, or the other categories must be deleted. Urban XII (talk) 00:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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Disagree with the closing administrator's "no consensus" close: while the number of keep and delete votes may be more or less split, most of the keep votes seem to hinge on the band's nomination for an MTV-related award which is not notable (its article on WP was redirected, the award itself was not shown on non-local TV and was not mentioned anywhere on MTV's website)—voters such as Charles Gillingham said that fills the "won or placed in a major competition" criterion of WP:BAND, whereas I think a non-notable award doesn't count as a major competition. As far as I know, no other criteria of WP:BAND or the GNG have been met, as they have no albums released and no non-trivial coverage in reliable sources. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 00:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Even that discussion may not have reflected fully editors' support for keeping the article. That is because when looking at the article page during the discussion, they did not see all indicia of notability. Because even as the discussion was ongoing, editors deleted material from the article that supports the article's notability. Had all of the editors seen all of that information in the article, the views expressed in favor of the article being notable may well have been even greater in number and stronger. MTV Video Music Award and Competition. Particularly troubling is that in the middle of a discussion as to why the article is notable, with one reason being that the band was nominated for an MTV VMA, Psantora repeatedly deleted mention of the fact that the award was an MTV VMA. For example at [11] and [12]. Despite that clearly being part of its official name, as reflected in the sourced references (including MTV's VMA Best Breakout New York City Artist Award Contest Official Rules and the award's MTV VMA logo). I requested at [13] that he not delete such pertinent information from the article – especially when the article was under deletion review. To no avail. He followed my request with further deletion of the fact that the award was an MTV VMA -– see [14] -- and deletion of descriptions of the award and the nomination/selection process, the fact that the band was the top three of 190 bands considered, the battle of the bands taking place at a major NY venue (Fillmore at Irving Plaza), the judging being by MTV and prominent VMA singers, the fact that this VMA was awarded at the actual VMA Ceremony in NYC, etc. (see [15]. Concurrently, Rjanang misleadingly characterized the award as "a little award" and incorrectly stated that it "was only tangentially related to MTV" and that it is not "a real VMA" -- coupled with the deletions, one's understanding that the band was nominated for an MTV VMA could have been impaired. This is especially troubling as nomination for a major music award (criterion 8), and placing in a major music competition (criterion 9), are two indicia (each sufficient in its own right) of notability under WP:BAND. Yet Psantora deleted this properly sourced information during the notability discussion. Reviews from reliable sources. Psantora also, during the discussion, deleted reviews of the band and its work by magazines of long-standing (each over 30 years old) with large readerships (ranging from the hundreds of thousands to the millions) -- specifically Seventeen Magazine and Queens Chronicle (which still remains deleted from the article), and also deleted the magazines as references – see [16]. This is troubling as reviews by reliable sources is by itself indicia of notability under criterion 1 of WP:BAND. Yet Psantora deleted this material during the notability discussion. Discography. Similarly, Psantora deleted album information from the band article, describing his rationale with the following edit summary: “remove discography section, they only have one album and its track listing is covered sufficiently on the album's page”.[17] Psantora invited Rjanag to join the discussion.[18] Rjanag then had the album article deleted. But Psantora did not then restore the discography information to the band article. In fact, Psantora himself then again deleted the discography information (see [19]). Voting advice. I also note that Rjanang wrote to OhConfucius (an editor with whom he had worked closely on another matter, and who supported him here) “Voting -- As they say, "vote early and often" ;) rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 04:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)” Whether he is advising inappropriate voting, or merely chortling in the proposed deletion of the article, I can’t say. But I found that to be curious behavior by a fellow editor.
In short, I commend the admin who closed this out as a "keep" for doing so despite the process having been poisoned as reflected above.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:18, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Withdraw Ok, I accept that nothing is going to come of listing this now; I'll wait until after their one album comes out and then re-AfD this assuming they don't suddenly get famous. Feel free to roll up this DRV. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 12:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC) |
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A7 nor Notability are valid reasons for the deletion. Admin outside the region concerned may not be able to find importance of the page. Desired format of the page can be viewed at User:khalidco/sandbox Khalidco (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
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There are a great number of similar categories (Category:People with Parkinson's disease, Category:People with motor neuron disease, Category:People with bipolar disorder, Category:People with multiple sclerosis, Category:People with Asperger syndrome, Category:People with sickle-cell disease, Category:People with amnesia, Category:People with cerebral palsy, Category:People with dementia, Category:People with Tourette syndrome, Category:People with hemophilia, Category:People with albinism, Category:People with schizophrenia, Category:People with hypertrichosis, Category:People with acromegaly, Category:People with epilepsy, Category:People with muscular dystrophy, Category:People diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder, Category:People with dwarfism, Category:People with synesthesia, Category:People with spina bifida, Category:People with osteogenesis imperfecta, Category:People with eidetic memory, Category:People with gigantism, Category:Hypochondriacs), and there is an entire parent category full of relevant subcategories. Furthermore, there are even nineteen articles dedicated entirely to listing people by diagnosed and suspected medical conditions. On a side note, I would like to recommend that the category be recreated as Category:People diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive disorder, as it will hinder sensationalist inclusion. — C M B J 01:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
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The article had many reliable sources and it was still deleted. She passed the notability standars and the sources cover the article in depth but it was deleted. I consider it should be undone. Facha93 (talk) 20:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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Although it was voted to be redirected in it's moment I think that now she can reach the notability standars due to the huge amount of independent sources avaliable. Facha93 (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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Despite two attempts at posting a complete and correct entry on this author, as approved by the author himself, this file is repeatedly deleted down to a "base" generic two or three lines of text, with no explanation. Davidwu10 (talk) 10:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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I believe the closing admin erred in calling this one no consensus. The rationale for deletion is that it is a neologism and further, a protologism only used in an academic context by a single researcher, who likely coined the term. The keep rationales were based on inherited notability and WP:LOTSOFSOURCES, did not address that all the reliable sources were from a single person, and were therefore invalid rationales. I ask for this AfD to be overturned and the article deleted. Gigs (talk) 03:36, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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Deletion was made based on non-notability and lack of references, before these references (and so evidence of notability) could be provided. Evidence has been provided to the deleting admin via his talk page (here) where he requested that the matter be raised here as it was deleted via AfD so he couldn't unilaterally undelete it. Also note that in the same posting the user who originally cited the article for deletion (DJ Clayworth) has stated that given the provided evidence he would not be opposed to reinstatment, and that had they been available originally he probably would not have made the nomination. DarrenHill (talk) 16:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
One additional citation/reference that I forgot before was the joint venture between Discworld Stamps, stamp designer Mark Valentine, The Register and the Rockall Ho! crew to temporarily re-open the most northerly post office in the UK on Rockall. A special DW stamp and one from Mark were produced especially for the event on special covers, the sale of which raised well over £2000 for charity. See the coverage in The Register here plus the links within the article for other coverage of the actual landing and work itself.
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There is a lot of new coverage regarding Google's cease and desist letter. I came here looking for information and was disappointed to find the article had been deleted. The software apparently has a dedicated following. Is there somewhere I can find the old deleted article just to read? -kslays (talk • contribs) 18:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
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This deletion discussion is highly suspicious for a number of reasons. As indicated here, there is reason to believe that off-site canvassing on a secret mailing list may have affected the voting result. Even if these votes are counted, the closing of "Keep" hardly seems supportable (at best it was No Consensus). The closer, Pastor Theo, was later determined to be a sockpuppet of a banned user, further enhancing the aura of suspicion around this AFD. His closure seemed to be more of his own opinion than anything to do with what happened in the discussion itself. The discussion should be overturned and the article deleted because it is a clear violation of WP:SYNTH. Imagine if someone created an article called Corporate-owned Congressmen in the United States, and populated the article with statements about how Senator X took $Y in campaign contributions from corporation Z, and other sources saying how corporations have too much influence in the U.S. political process. That's basically the equivalent of what we have here. I am sure I could find reliable sources saying the above things, but it still wouldn't justify an article with that title. The same is true here — this article makes a highly inflammatory accusation and backs it up with a bunch of synthesized sources that don't come close to supporting what the title promises. Many of the sources are questionable (a book by Regnery Press, a far-right publishing house that shouldn't be cited for anything but the authors' opinions), and others (a TIME article from the 1980s) are taken out of context and offer a far more nuanced picture than the Wikipedia page indicates. Several sentences were directly plagiarized from that article, adding copyright issues to the other concerns here. *** Crotalus *** 14:43, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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I feel that the page was deleted far too quickly - before I had chance to add any improvements/notability. Additionally, I think that the uncontested survival of Durham University Engineering Society merits the existence of BEAMES (which is essentially Bath University Engineering Society). Welshgolfer (talk) 09:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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I would like to thank the admin for taking time to discuss the matter of this article's deletion. However, I still think the deletion is uncalled for because the reasons upon which such deletion was based were not really established by those who pushed for its deletion. First thing that I noticed is the reason given that it exists only in a few law schools. That cannot be an acceptable reason because in fact, the fraternity was established to be exclusive in those specific schools. The purpose of keeping a minimal number of members would be defeated if the fraternity allows the recruitment of members from other law schools of below par performance. And also take into consideration the fact that the setting is in the Philippines where most law schools are in Manila. Second thing that I noticed is the attention given to the death that occurred in an initiation rites a decade ago. The case was a sensational one indeed, but I guess it should not be referred to as "their unusually violent initiation rites" because such incident was isolated and does not reflect the overall footing of the fraternity. They event went further by citing the news item on Davao CityMayor Rodrigo Duterte's "trauma of the beating he received during his initiation into this fraternity." Let me take note that the said incident was made a basis of a landmark Supreme Court decision wherein the Court tookjudicial notice of the youth's irresponsible acts. Last thing I noticed is about the notability. I remember that the admin also tried to have this article deleted a year ago, but I was able to prove the aspect of notability before the date of deletion. I respect the views of the admin in relation to the notability of a certain subject. However, I would like to point out that Lex Talionis is a Philippine-based fraternity which is notable especially among the legal professionals and members are already in high positions in the judiciary or in corporate practice. This time, I am asking the admin to consider the same reasons set forth in the previous deletion attempt and restore the article back into the pages of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talion1 (talk • contribs) 09:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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Deletion was excessive. References as to notability can be inserted. The article's deletion was too speedyUCDLawsoc (talk) 19:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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this stub was speedy deleted before I had a chance to explain the notability but after I put a hangon tag on it. I've tried posting on the admins talk, but he's obviously having a life. I've explained the notability on the articles talk Talk:Starfall.com thanks for your help! Erich (talk) 12:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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Entirely procedural nomination. This recently created redirect was speedy deleted by User:Frank per criterion R3 (recently created, implausible typo) within minutes of its creation, without being tagged beforehand. I have at least provided an assertion that it is not implausible, and asked Frank to take it to RfD instead, but this has not been productive. I am merely seeking to have a full discussion on the redirect, and have no objection to deletion if that discussion occurs. — Gavia immer (talk) 04:19, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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AfD was closed as keep however no evidence was ever brought forward of non-trivial coverage by any kind of reliable third party publication. Several of the !voters comments actually amounted to "it exists" and "it is useful" which are the worst arguments I can think of to retain an encyclopedia article. Billions of things exist but that is not reason for inclusion. I am requesting a review of the closure and have notified the closing administrator. I feel this should be overturned as delete or possibly relisted with more careful eyes. JBsupreme (talk) 15:54, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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AfD was closed as a redirect to Stunticons, which is a page not even mentioned in the discussion. SarekOfVulcan's rationale seems to have been that the consensus was for a redirect to a Transformers-related article and that Stunticons was the most appropriate target, even if not specifically mentioned. However, my contention is that a redirect to dragstrip is most appropriate, as that's where drag strip redirects. We need very strong justification for having differently capitalized redirects leading to different targets, and I don't believe that justification was provided. Powers T 12:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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Deletion was contrary to comparable practice. I gather the article had been deleted before, but I do not know the actual reason, I am guessing it was at the request of the subject. However, a comparator article is that of Arthur Kemp. The subject disagreed with some of the content, but the matter was dealt with by the usual editing process and the article was not deleted. I do understand why this article should not be treated in exactly the same way RolandTravis (talk) 07:25, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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See Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 July 27 for the reasons. I couldn't follow through because I left to go on holiday. I have asked the person who deleted the page if it could be recreated and wasn't answered to. This is why I am asking here again to have the page recreated. --Whadaheck (talk) 17:02, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Does this User:Whadaheck#Chelsea Korka help?--Whadaheck (talk) 14:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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Non-article speedy deleted per an article-only criteria. Jimmy Xu (talk) 07:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
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I am just going to start writing because it is far too complicated to figure out what all this means. You deleted my page sovereign citizens and redirected it to Sovereign Citizen Movement. I simply don't get it. Apparently you are going to deny the greatest invention to come out of the books written during the enlightenment that the Founding Fathers of the USA were reading when when they wrote our constitution. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, Sovereignty was vest in the hands of the individual citizen and not a king, dictator nor any other official of the state, elected or otherwise. That is why our elected officials are referred to as "PUBLIC SERVANTS". I dare my opponents in this argument to provide any explanation for the use of the term "public servants" without admitting the Founding Father's vested Sovereignty to the individual citizen. That is whay for the early history of the USA, it was referred to as "The Great American Experiment" The People were the Sovereigns. The persons who want to lump this concept into the Sovereign Citizen Movement cite some book written in 2008 that gives credit to the radical anarchist group, Posse' Comatatus, for first using the term. The Posse' Commitas first chartered in 1969. I provided a video of Ronald Reagan in 1964 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY (@@3:30), using the term "Sovereign People" (American's have a propensity to us "People" interchangeably with "Citizen" do to the use of the phrase "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union,..." at the start of our constitution] Even if the 2008 book, the opponents invoke is to be trusted as to its reference that the Posse Commitatus used the term, clearly the 1964 Reagan Speech came before the chartering of the Posse Comitatus group in 1969. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_(organization) Simply, it is defamatory to associate the concept of "Sovereign Citizens" intended by the Founding Fathers, referenced by Ronald Reagan and used by myself and others with radical anarchist groups like the posse comatatus. I am not a member, to the best of my knowledge is Ronald Reagan, nor is it possible that any of the Founding Fathers could have been a member of the Posse' Comatatus. Nor do myself, Ronald Reagan nor the Founding Father's espouse the radical anarchist ideology of the Posse Camatatus or their related anarchist groups. Lastly, to deny that Sovereignty of the Citizens was an invention of the US Founding Fathers directly resulting from the knowledge and philosophy created and elaborated on during the Enlightenment, is to deny one of the greatest inventions in the history of mankind. George Washington was offered to be made king and refused. And whereupon, the Great American Experiment began, with Sovereignty not vested in rulers but the individual citizens. If you deny this, I must conclude that Wikipedia is nothing more than a Progressiveness tool to engage in revisionist history and act accordingly. Please restore my page. Make the corrections that you feel necessary, but the USA's Founding Fathers and Ronald Reagan concept of Sovereign Citizens and Sovereign People cannot simply be lumped into the Sovereign Citizen Movement. (PS - You should send an email to the author of a page before you decide to delete it-I received no such notification prior to the article being deleted) Please act on this promptly [Cynical Patriot - DMashak@aol.com]
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Obviously fictional positions in government and outlandish descriptions make it questionable place exists as described; article created just a few weeks ago with few editors; High school cliques are described in detail. Soc8675309 (talk) 19:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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This AfD on a BLP was closed as keep with the reason that "there were no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator" (myself). I've raised with the closer that I don't see the consensus there and he argued that the debate ran for 13 days and was relisted once with nobody but me arguing for deletion. According to him and another editor, it couldn't have been closed any other way. Now, first of all I think such a closing statement needlessly personalizes the issue. In as far that correctly describes the situation, it still does not imply automatically a consensus to keep an article as it neither addresses raw numbers nor arguments for keeping. Finally, I think this is an indeed an incorrect interpretation of this particular discussion which had a low participation and ended with question marks after the two keep arguments regarding the album and the Chinese Google hits. Now, I am well aware that the distinction between a keep and a no consensus closure is of limited importance for the fate of a specific entry, but I also think that it is occasionally important to clarify how we establish consensus or the lack thereof, so i ask for your feedback if this could indeed not have been closed differently, or should rather be overturned to no consensus. Tikiwont (talk) 18:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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This article about an independent filmmaking group has been deleted numerous times in 2007 citing notability issues. However, films and short films by the group have since been featured at the San Francisco International Asian American Film Festival (entry) and the San Diego Asian Film Festival (entry). They also appeared at the Short Films Corner of the Cannes Film Festival. (video blog entry) CNN's Ted Rowlands recently did a segment on them as well. (Wong Fu Productions Press Page) —Arsonal (talk) 05:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I have completed the requested "sourced userspace draft", which is available on this page. If reviewers decide to restore access to the article page, perhaps it will be a good idea to place a semi-protection to prevent disruptive edits such as the ones Accounting4Taste experienced. Given the popularity of this group on the Internet, I can anticipate fans accessing the article and attempting to add information that may be excessively trivial. —Arsonal (talk) 05:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
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Reason The article was deleted when the voting was four to three to keep it. The votation was in favour of the article and it was deleted anyway. Facha93 (talk) 16:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
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Despite a heated debate, the article was deleted under the rationale "The keep votes are significantly weaker that those requesting deletion", and the administrator has been unwilling to reopen it. I believe this conclusion is not in line with Wikipedia policy, and would like to outline why. The original rationale for deletion was that the topic is "wholly unworthy of a standalone article" (in other words, not notable.) WP:N states that "substantive coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion". These is no doubt that such coverage exists: see eg. [44] (Telegraph), [45] (LA Times), [46] (Chicago Tribune), [47] (Washington Post), etc etc, all of which treat the poster as their primary, substantive topic and easily qualify as WP:RS. The presumption of notability is thus satisfied. Now, to overturn this presumption, it must be demonstrated that the topic is otherwise not suitable for inclusion. The primary arguments of the "Delete" camp have been WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOTNEWS.
In summary, the image is notable, and in the same way that the Barack Obama "Hope" poster captured last year's pro-Obama zeitgeist, this image has been eagerly adopted by the anti-Obama camp. It's highly unlikely that this image will go away before Obama himself does, and we are doing future readers of Wikipedia a disservice by not recording what this was all about. Jpatokal (talk) 10:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
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The page was deleted by G11 criterion, while there were just:
And that's all. I even deleted the text about the distinctive feature of creating reports as mind maps, while it was just a statement of fact which might be very interesting for all mindmappers which are trying to find useful information about mind maps usage. Could you please tell me what part of the ConceptDraw PROJECT article mentioned above you see as an advertisement? For example you can see the OpenProj article which was admitted as correct with its Popularity paragraph and Comparison with MS Project ("Users of the one software should be broadly comfortable using the other.", "intended as a complete desktop replacement for Microsoft Project"). Is it not a promotion? I don't want to mention the MS Project article which is far more promotional.CSOWind (talk) 10:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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I see six deletes (including the nom's; and one phrased as "deprecate"), and only 3 keep, of which two are cut&paste comments, with rationales that do not stand up to scrutiny; and one of which involved canvassing. At the very least, I suggest that this should be relisted of further discussion. Brought here at closing admin's suggestion . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pigsonthewing (talk • contribs) 21:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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Deletion was without regard to keep argument. Turqoise127 (talk) 17:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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One attempt had been made to address the notability issue but the user didn't notice the article had been edited to change the reference numbers I was referring to in the nomination. Several references which were either primary/unreliable one-off mentions making the original nomination still apply. No other attempts were made to address the notability issues (but there's plenty of bad faith drama not related to the issue at hand thanks to the fans of the article). Admin SarekOfVulcan (talk · contribs) speedy closed it citing WP:SK 2.3 which I don't think applies considering the previous nomination got flooded by fans of the article thanks to off-site canvassing, but it looks like most are here to stay as shown by this afd. The admins response on their talk page seems to show that articles failing multiple guidelines isn't a good enough reason to re-nominate and that if there's enough people against it, multiple guidelines can be ignored. So I request this be relisted, or re-opened, to actually allow a discussion to take place, and to give the fanatical fans and other users a chance to show how it passes our notability guidelines. Otterathome (talk) 17:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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Article was deleted before full period for comment and was closed against consensus by an admin supervote Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 14:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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I don't want the whole DRV treatment. The previous article was deleted after a 30 minute AfD, and for what reason I do not know, the redirect was edit protected. This should not require so much effort to simply have a re-written article moved from my userspace but I'm not getting any help. New article, impeccably sourced to a few dozen RS, written without ever seeing the deleted article at User:Miami33139/Sally Traffic. Please also fix the redirect at Sally Traffic. Miami33139 (talk) 05:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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I would like to note that all facts in my article 'Phuza Faced' are completly true and does not include any information that may mislead of confuse users. I would like to have the article re-opened as i do not know why it was deleted. Please could you tell me why it was and what i can do to change it. If not, i would like it tempoarily re-opened so i can have a copy of the article as i do not currently have one as i saw no need for the deletion or a copy of the article sent to my inbox. Many Thanks. T Burrows
Mr. Burrows —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phuza (talk • contribs) 15:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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Contest Prod. Full-length album by a notable band (Fairweather), released on Equal Vision Records. 9/10 review from Allmusic, for starters. Chubbles (talk) 00:53, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
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Provided valid references, Many people commented and where discounted as SPA's, I would think a editor should check links / articles THEN make a determination24.185.128.244 (talk) 17:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
24.185.128.244 (talk) 00:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
and a repost in Gizmoto : and one more: 216.139.159.106 (talk) 16:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I was looking thru the web, and found this NY Times mention of Jonathan Gleich, from the 2008 Mermaid Parade, where he won
third place for a "Pirate on a segway" - Also there is a Photo of him in the slideshow
Gizmoto is just a BLOG?
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This is kind of unusual in that there were 3 keep !votes, but 2 of the 3 were based entirely on a claim that can't be verified and the third one is partially based on it. The article (and !voters) claim that the artist has a single that charted. However, neither Allmusic or Billboard show it. I asked for a reliable source and nobody could provide one. If the unsourced claim is removed, the artist completely fails WP:MUSICBIO. One suggested that the sources might get him pasts WP:GNG. The article has 5 sources. The standard bio blurb from Allmusic (which accepts bio material from the artist), an article from Billboard that would qualify as significant coverage in a RS, a college newspaper that mentions him in a single sentence, a link to the Source, which provides 2 sentences and a link to his video on youtube and a link to an interview of on a source with questionable reliablity. So I'm not feeling real convinced about good sourcing or claiming that he makes it past GNG. In the end, the !keep votes are really I like it, but can't prove it. I did ask the closing admin to review it and his answer is essentially that since nobody else took the time to come vote delete, we have to go with the keeps. I though that this was supposed to be based on strength of reasoning based on policy and guideline. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
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Wikiquestions (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) attempted to start this DRV discussion [55] and [56]. I am completing it. Cirt (talk) 16:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
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Company is notable in that it is hugely controversial, and has been in the news a lot, particularly over the past year ([[60]], [[61]]) and the article mentioned this. I made two requests for help improving the article on user: Lectonar's talk page, both of which were ignored. References (mostly negative) were made to a variety of sources, including national UK broadsheets. 27.oma (talk) 12:16, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
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This article has now been deleted again based on a badly informed comment by CactusWriter, who seems to be almost deliberately is avoiding the truth. For instance, he calls Pusher II "an unacclaimed film" - in spite of the fact that it received two Bodil nominations (the Danish Oscar), as well as twelve Robert nominations (the Danish Golden Globe), winning both a Bodil and a Robert for best Actor, on top of being directed by one of Denmark's best known directors. Its supporting cast, including Maya Ababadjani and other "real life" people, was the main focus of the film's release campaign. I could go on, but the fact is she is well known in Denmark. It's ludicrous to keep speedily deleting articles based on more or less random comments. This aggressive desire to have the article deleted may in fact well spring from the same racial/religious intolerance that Maya Ababadjani was victim of in the first place. --Minutae (talk) 14:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
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History-only undeletion. It is currently a redirect as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Super Bowl L... I reached out to the closing admin but have not heard back. ~ PaulT+/C 20:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC) |
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When I first created the category, I had named it User singer-songwriters instead of Wikipedia singer-songwriters. At the time of its creation, I didn't know it had to be Wikipedian and not User. I was never contacted about the first review so I couldn't do anything about it. I found it missing one day and upon investigation, I found the review. I had attempted to re-create the category Wikipedian singer-songwiters and each time it was deleted without a discussion or even so much a notification. So I am asking that this category be allowed to be recreated so that other WIkipedians who are singer-songwriters like myself can find this category and add themselves to this category. Thank you. Jeremy (talk) 03:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC) Jeremy (talk) 03:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
1) discuss the matter with the deleting administrator and try to resolve it with him or her first. If you and the admin cannot work out a satisfactory solution, only then should you bring the matter before Deletion review." There is nothing in that instruction that says "ought to".
Okay, I've exaggerated for comic effect, but, for me it is a very valid point that G4 creates a very unbalanced deletion tool with regards categories, because it conflicts with the idea that Consensus can change. Here's a potential new process:
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Unreasonable deletion Carlosfundango (talk) 11:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC) Hi there, Firstly, apologies if this is posted either incorrectly or in the wrong place.I am unable to find the location of the deleted page or it's discussion page. A similar article is located in my sandbox. I created and article in Wiki entitled Z-Clan which was immediately selected for Speedy Deletion with the assertion A7; which I presume alludes to "An article about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (e.g. band, club, company, etc., except schools), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant". I have posted on the Talk page of the person who deleted it (DiscoSpinster) requsting an explanation as to why but have yet had no response (I'm not being critcal, I realise that we all have a life and other things to do). Since I didn't have a reply, I posted the following on the Talk page of the Admin BorgHunter and this is his subsequent reply.
I'm looking for some advice. I posted an Article which I had written with title Z-Clan with the reason A7; which I presume alludes to "An article about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (e.g. band, club, company, etc., except schools), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant". The article was deleted by an Admin named DiscoSpinster. I have left a message on her talk page requesting an explanation and advice but have had no response. The reason that Z Clan is notable is that it is the No.1 gaming group in it's field, it operates and administers the No.1 ranked servers in the world and is the only gaming organisation in the world (again, within it's field) that own and operate servers on different continents. A few examples of Wiki articles (not related to my Article)I found within a couple of minutes that seem fall well short of A7 and have nothing "Notable" about them are these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Motorcyclists_Alliance
Could you please help me understand what the requirement would be to fullfill this criteria in my instance as it seems, on the face of it a certain amount of hypocrisy and predjudice with regards to this?
Carlos Carlosfundango (talk) 11:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC) You may have a point that the article, as it was written, didn't really meet the criteria for speedy deletion, though I'm not sure that it wouldn't eventually be deleted for failing notability. Your best bet is to wander over to deletion review and list it there; it might get listed on AfD to give a chance for comment. —BorgHunter (talk) 16:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I would like the Admins to reconsider the inclusion of this article in Wikipedia on the following grounds that define it's significance and notability. Z-Clan/Z gaming is not the normal run-of-mill clan/gaming collective formed by a few kids. It's members are professionals whose average age is around 35 and the current eldest member is a retired Admiral in the US Navy who is in his mid 70's. The only "Kids" are those children who are the sons or daughters of members. It currently has a membership of nearly 300 making it probably the largest Clan of its type. The Z-Clan/Z gaming website ( [62] ) has between 5000 and 7000 "Hits" per day which is clearly not in the same league as BBC.co.uk or Microsoft.com but is a truly remarkable figure for what it is and demonstrates our sigificance. Z-Clan/Z gaming was formed in the beginning of 2008 and is thus a mature organisation and very unlikely to disappear in the near future. Z-Clan/Z gaming owns, operates and administers the No.1 ranked public gaming server in the world (in it's community). (Verifiable [63] ). Ironically, this will show that we are currently at number 4 or 5, this is due our servers having been targetted by hackers over the last month and a half which has had a devasting effect on our server population. Unfortunately being ranked No.1 in the world has its disadvantages too. As soon the hackers are brought to justice or get bored we shall return to No.1. The history shows us at No.1. Z-Clan/Z gaming owns, operates and administers multiple public gaming servers in 2 continents (Verifiable [64] )- the only Clan/gaming cooperative in the world to do so. This covers the North America, South America, Europe, Africa and Middle East. We shall soon be increasing this coverage to include Asia too making Z-Clan truly Global. Z-Clan/Z gaming is the only Clan/gaming cooperative in the world (within its community) to regularly have public free to enter competitions with prizes. ( Verifiable [65]) Z-Clan/Z gaming recruits members not on the basis of nationality, ability or "Who you know" as other Clans do. We recruit on the basis of adherence to theethos "Think Different" covered in the Article I wrote. It's a case of quality not quantity. This again makes Z Clan unique. Z-Clan/Z gaming serves a community of around 180,000 active users. There are an unknown quantity of inactive users. This is not an insignificant amount of people. In terms of Notability, We cannot get more "Notable" within the boundaries of what we are and our policies with perhaps the exception of committing some heinous crime.
It is unlikely that you will find a secondary source whereby Z-Clan is talked about apart from forums; it's just not the nature of the beast that we are. The times that we have been requested to talk publicly about Z-Clan were politely declined. We are happy to sit at the top - quietly. We just don't feel neither need to pubicly extol our virtues or self gratify. Which, clearly in this case is to our detriment but none the less a position with which overall we are happy with.
Thanks for your time Regards Carlosfundango (talk) 11:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
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Deletion was entirely unreasonable. There are several other peer-to-peer lending companies that are less noteworthy and have been able to post articles on Wikipedia. Peer-to-peer lending is a hot topic right now especially because the US economy is in a recession and small businesses account for over 90% of US businesses. It is unfair that other peer-to-peer lending companies have been able to post articles on Wikipedia but not 40billion.com! Who is making this decision? Colinmcnab (talk) 01:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
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To: Administrators of Wikipedia I am writing this comment as a result of a deleted article that I do not understand and consider your action to be quite questionable. Before I reveal my concerns I would like to advise you that in the past, I had considered WIKIPEDIA to be the best webstie on the entire internet. In the past I had been the greatest defender against your critics who stated that your information was incorrect and not reliable. I have defended your position against your critics as being totally useless for assistance in the Education circles and not useful for students as an accurate reference on any subjects in the universe. I had also been very proud of the fact that your creator was from my home state of ALABAMA. However as of today I am very dissappointed I would like to know why your staff selected the article on Tariq Nasheed for deletion. This man has been a best selling author and is currently in the main stream of BLACK CULTURE in america. He has been on several major network television talk shows and conducted several lectures at many major universities. Please explain to me WHY some uninformed editor(s) decided to delete this biographical article on this best selling author. As I analyse your staff decision to delete this article. I feel the need to join the ranks of you critics, who feel that Wikipedia is a bunch of CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please advise me on your bias logic. [email redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.201.7.182 (talk • contribs)
Permit recreation since there are some adequate sources. The close was under the circumstances reasonable, and I'm surprised it took over 3 years to get it to AfD. The article as submitted had no usable sources. They were only the unreliable external links macklessons.com, theartofmackin.com, theartofgolddigging.com, macklessonsradio.com, myspace.com/tariq_nasheed, tariqelite.com What the AfD with very little participation did not seem to notice is there were 3 published books, including one by a reputable publisher:[66], Play or be played : what every female should know about men, dating, and relationships by simon and Schuster. They are in relatively few libraries, but they are not the sort of books libraries are eager to buy. Checking, I see (to my considerable surprise) there are actually usable sources available, probably enough to show notability: [67], including Newsweek;, the NY paper Newsday, Jet, and the Toronto Star. apparently nobody thought to look for references in the 3 years, or at the AfD. Shows why we need to require WP:BEFORE, even for what look like unlikely articles. DGG ( talk ) 18:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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With a remake of the show coming up and AMC re-releasing the original online and publicizing it, I think this page is becoming more relevant. At least, I came here to look at it, and I suspect others might. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.138.53.175 (talk) 00:14, September 6, 2009
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Not a candidate for speedy deletion; should have undergone community consensus and discussion before deletion, not at the immediate discretion of an administrator. Les there should be any worry, I do believe this is a valid template, with valid purposes for new users with awful/sloppy grammatical usage, but that discussion is not for here; we should have that on a TFD. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:04, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
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This was closed with a consensus for "Keep", which while supported by a simple count of votes (5-3, including nominator) is not, I believe, the correct one. I say this because none of the keep !voters explained how this page does not violate the WP:NOTDIC policy that Wikipedia is not a dictionary (that is Wiktionary's job), and how the article is not a Dictionary definition - the only part that is arguably encyclopaedic is the section about Wicca, which is unrelated to the etymology of the word "witch". The relationship between the two, and anything that could make the disucssion of the etymology encyclopaedic is or should be adequately covered at the Witch and/or Wicca articles. This was initially raised on Cirt's talk page (Cirt closed the discussion) by user:LtPowers. The response was that the article has "a ton of sources, mostly having to do with the etymology" - I find this reasoning very odd, given that an etymology is still the province of a dictionary, no matter how well sourced it is; and the sourcing was not relevant to the deletion discussion. The discussion can be summed up as three people citing policy that etymologies are not encyclopaedia articles in and of themselves vs five people saying "but its a good etymology" and "other words have articles" without citing any policy or other evidence to back up their assertions that some or all of the content could be encyclopaedic, despite requests, should be closed as anything other than "delete", "transwiki" or "no consensus" Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
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This deletion was a total mess. It was ostensibly removed both as a speedy deletion, and a snow closure of the Mfd, and was gone within a few hours of being begun. It was not a G10 candiadate, it contained no slanderous or defamatory material, and the BLP material, while unsourced, was nothing more than what you can find right now in mainstream media. The title could, if massively assuming bad faith, be seen as an 'attack', yet that was easily fixable with a rename, such as Obama and the national socialism analogy. The Mfd was SNOW closed based on nothing more than 'this will never be an article' to quote Spartaz. Really? sources suggest otherwise The nominator didn't even appear to have read the page, as he seemed to think, wrongly, that it was attacking Obama, when in fact if people read it, it was mostly an attack against unnamed American Conservatives, combining some recent political events with some essay type material. This was not an unsaveable draft, and it was not as one person put it as, a 'Criticism of' article in all but name. There was adequate scope for improvement and sourcing, certainly until the end of the 7 day Mfd period. The fast closure of this was nothing more than a total over-reaction to reading the title and jumping to conclusions, which is an assumption of bad faith, and an abuse of the principle that people are free to host drafts in their userspace for everybody to work on without being harassed and cowtowed. It shouldn't even be at DRV, but the ANI discussion was being derailed and the real policy issue was being shunted here probably in hope it just went away, so here it is. MickMacNee (talk) 17:09, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Which kind of sums up world affairs rather nicely... L0b0t wrote:
L0b0t is not only right, but he's also accurate:
But he's also extremely wrong in a few distinct ways:
I won't comment too much about people who habitually and deliberately misquote policy, but Spectre is a very special case.. And now.. a break. -Stevertigo 04:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
motion to close this and relist Since Spartaz (closer of the MfD) has essentially agreed with the relist request, motion to just wrap this DRV up and head back to a new MfD. This is becoming a WP:SOAPBOX. Tarc (talk) 04:47, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Enough...please. The petty I told-you-so comments and color commentary about other editors are unwelcome, unhelpful, and unwarranted. In my opinion, that time would have been better spent tracking down sources and whipping that higgledy-piggledy article into shape if it is to stand a chance at the next MfD. On a more positive note, for any of y'all in my neck of the woods (Brooklyn), Sunday night is J'ouvert and Monday is the West Indian Day Parade. So come on out, the parade has some great food. Cheers. L0b0t (talk) 08:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Fastness-ness and slowness-ness I just wanted to point out now how slow this is going. Yes, I know that deletionists like to do things speedy and SNOW close things early - within mere moments of notice, apparently - and the last thing we want to do is act like the deletionists above had been acting. I enjoyed very much hearing the occasional, "changing vote," and "I see where this is going," though I would love it if these were nowhere near as terse, or as strangely devoid of the invective common to their earlier commentary. Anyway, as some have noted that's one of the main reason why we are here, and most of the "overturn" votes above contain language that notes the problems with this speediness and SNOWiness. Now I am told by someone on my talk that this will stay open for seven days. This strange disparity between how deletion and deletion review are applied is probably not what we want. Keep in mind that most of the problems surrounding this case were brought about not just by a speedy close or a SNOW close but by an notion of an "early" close that had the partisan effect of shutting down ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Stevertigo/Obama and accusations of National Socialism. Now it appears the partisans, eager to speedy and SNOW before, are not quite so interested anymore now that DRV has come out against them. Now that things have slowed down, and we all have time to think, and maybe even communicate, Im wondering how long this DRV should take to close, now that its activity is quite low. We all understand now that speediness has issues in its own right: Speediness must have been the largest contributor to the above mentioned inability to read the actual material up for deletion, and conversely this inability to read the actual material up for deletion must have contributed greatly to its speedy treatment. I see a pattern. But more importantly I see a solution, and it's one that generally involves literacy, civility, respect for ongoing discussion, and AGF, such that make speediness mostly an invalid notion, if not altogether less than necessary. Strangely enough, this solution of "respecting ongoing discussion" would not have just slown down the XFD's, ANI's, but it would speed up this DRV to something more than the snail crawl it currently is. -Stevertigo 23:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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Overturn as No Consensus. Naturally, the role of a closer is to determine the consensus irrespective of their own views on a page. Here the closer appears to have, inadvertently, been influenced by their view of the usefulness of the list. A redirect without a merge is effectively a delete and, in my view, these was no consensus for this. My conversation with the closing admin is here. I agree that the utility of the list is, at present, limited but that is the way with lists; they start out incomplete and are developed over time. A redirect cuts down the list before it has chance to grow. TerriersFan (talk) 22:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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Former vanity page (as "Stepto"), but subject is in a prominent Microsoft position and is commonly quoted on official issues of Xbox Live Policy. He is also a frequent guest on gaming-related programs in his professional capacity. White 720 (talk) 22:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
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This entry was deleted by user RandomXYZb for A7 (No indication that the article may meet guidelines for inclusion) with no prior discussion. RandomXYZb cannot be contacted, and has a known history of vandalism. Such deletion should not be honoured. Jacob Poon (talk) 21:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
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Article was unjustly deleted without *any* consensus being reached. In fact the article was recommended to be created by editors and administrators as a result of an earlier article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Wikiport This article is not a non-notable neologism. It is a clear and widespread practice, and was categorized as a wiki concept which was appropriate. The article existed for an entire year before an editor came through and speedily deleted it. Notquiteleet (talk)
This is not an article that should be located on Mediawiki, or within an article on Mediawiki. It doesnt matter what wiki distribution an organization uses, the concept of using wiki software for communal-based support is achieved with any wiki platform. Just my .02, and thanks for reviewing this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notquiteleet (talk • contribs) 17:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
How many of you actually read the article itself instead of basing a decision on shallow and the absence of thorough insight of the content itself? The recent comments suggest that youre skimming the AfD with all of 3 people contributing to it and basing a decision on that. Read the original article. If I must I will keep creating the article which existed an entire year on wikipedia without any problems, and all the sudden its deemed not "worthy" enough based on superficial insights of 2 out of 3 people? My God thats pathetic integrity for an editor at ANY level.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.99.102.86 (talk • contribs) 05:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
How are the cited links not credible? Cybercobra your reasoning is the classic example you trying to assign verifiability and notability on a subject to which you have no contextual understanding of. This is absolutely pathetic. Its the blind leading the blind. Support wiki is the contextual use of wiki software to provide communal support to an organizations clientele. This is why it was categorized as a wiki concept, because it is a practice, a clearly established and wide practice that is easily observed. You guys have absolutley no understanding of context and are trying to support a decision to delete an article based on a text search within an article, or a search on google? When did you start using google as a barometer for your brain and inability to actually think? My God this is pathetic.Notquiteleet (talk) 00:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
It is not original research, and yes there is more involvement in to determining the notability of an issue than merely a text search within a document. Your mentality is entirely and absolutely preadolescent at best. From the wikiport article linked in the OP: Comment. An article using a descriptive title such as Wiki-based technical support is certainly feasible if good sources are found to document the practice without conducting "original research". However, I don't think it is appropriate to coin and promote a new word to describe the concept here. --Itub (talk) 10:01, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Delete, pretty obviously a neologism that people aren't using yet. "Tech support wikis" are a concept worth covering somehow (well, at least briefly in related articles), but there's no need to come up with new terms... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 13:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC) Delete and start over. A good article on "Wiki support community" or "Support wiki" would be welcome. Notquiteleet would be well advised to refrain from naming it after his own protologism, to review Wikipedia policy on notability and verifiability which will answer his questions, and to begin by collecting reliable sources first, before writing the article. Happy editing! ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC) As Itub mentions below, you might be able to make an article title "Wiki-based technical support" that documents this practice, if you can find a few reliable sources to back it up. However, there are no such sources that refer to "wikiport" in this context - this use of the term is your original thought. --Explodicle (T/C) 13:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC) I did exactly what was recommended in a previous article, and produced a document that was left alone and categorized correctly for a YEAR, and now all the sudden its not notable? You have still not explained how the following sources cited in the article are not credible: Information Week Network Computing (part of the Information Week network) IT Today Internet News Let alone you have still further failed to cite why the authors of the articles in the listed publications are not credible. From the reasoning and logic employed in the explanations thus far it doesnt seem that most of you are not qualified to make such a claim of notability, much less credibility on this subject.
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The recent deletion of the photograph illustrating this article was unnecessary. I am the photographer who took that image, I own and hold the negatives of that image and the copyright belongs to me. The image was used by WEA records to promote a single of theirs and was used on a record cover - but it was only used on that one off basis and that copyright remained with me. Peter McArthur. As the copyright holder I give permission for it to be used here on Wikipedia to illustrate this article. 116.77.48.126 (talk) 16:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
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I ask for an undeletion of this article, or rather an unprotection as I have a sourced version of the article ready in my user page. I asked to unprotection of the page in 10th August on WikiProject Video games Requests. Reason was: "This article was deleted in April 2007 because it was decided to "keep and clean up" in January 2007 (see first nomination), but no clean-up had taken place since then. The problem is that it is impossible to create a new article with reliable sources about the subject, as it is protected and can only be created by admins. Plus there were 82 google hits at the time, but 1,120,000 in August 2009, so it should be easy to find reliable sources now that time had passed. Please note that I did not edit this article, nor created it before. I created the article in my user space here: User:Hervegirod/Destructoid, using a lot of independent sources, from Joystiq, 1UP.com, Sarcastic Gamer, Ars Technica, the Webby Awards, Giant Bomb, Wired News, Kotaku, Eurogamer, Hudson Soft, or Rock, Paper, Shotgun. It address the two reasons given for the deletion in April 2007, which were:
I also sent a message to Satori Son, the Administrator who decided for the delete after the consensus, asking for unprotection, but he seems to be busy on the moment on non wikipedia stuff and had not the time to answer. Hervegirod (talk) 23:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC) Restore. If an AfD closes and keep and clean up, and it's not cleaned up, the solution is to fix it, not delete it. That second nomination was improper ,and did not receive sufficient attention. Failure to improve an article is not a reason for deletion, and a close on that basis is against policy. The awards, furthermore, are significance--the top 15% of the items submitted,according to that page. [70] DGG ( talk ) 02:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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