Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/June-2009
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- Reason
- Nice picture
- Articles this image appears in
- Clara Morgane
- Creator
- A photographer
- Support as nominator --ClausX (talk) 06:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Unappealing background and confusing pose of subject. Also, identity of photographer and legitimacy of the license for the photo ought to be clearer. Spikebrennan (talk) 16:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - Nothing exceptional here. Even the nominator can't say better than "nice picture". Clearly not enough for FP. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 07:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't see what makes this picture notable. Can ClausX please explain why this should be a featured picture. Just because it "looks nice" doesn't make it automatically comply with featured picture criteria. Did the user even review it when nominating? AndrewrpTally-ho! 20:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment - this nomination was made 7 minutes after the user's account was created, and this is the only edit he has made except for one each to his user and talk pages (ClausX (talk · contribs · logs)). —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 10:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe he's user Claus on Commons and he doesn't speak English.--Paris 16 (talk) 05:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Creator is "A Photographer" That narrows it down! Source is the model's web site. Any copyright issues? Oh, and Oppose --Bridgecross (talk) 20:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- It appears that the use of this image has been cleared at OTRS. --jjron (talk) 08:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- It's probably a work for hire situation. MER-C 03:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Weak oppose due to background. Decent image, but not quite featured picture material. J Milburn (talk) 11:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support decent quality and if not perfect in all aspects in my opinion it is certainly among the very best images of living people on Wikipedia and a good illustration of the subject that adds significantly to the article. Guest9999 (talk) 00:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support Agree with Guest9999. Certainly one of the best living persons images we have on this site and illustrates the subject quite well. -- Grandpafootsoldier (talk) 04:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support per Guest9999.--Paris 16 (talk) 05:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Distracting background --Muhammad(talk) 09:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. I would like an extended caption, particularly where and what she's doing. brandt 09:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Weak support. Have been a little undecided on this one. Was iffy on the creator/licensing at first, but it seems valid enough. Image quality is pretty good and as some of the others have said, for a Wiki photo of a living person/celebrity it is quite good (despite her being of perhaps slightly questionable notability). Not that impressed with the messy background, but on the other hand it's clearly intentional. Overall leads me to a weak support. --jjron (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose No compelling reason to support this. But it's not terrible. Distracting background is biggest problem. Makeemlighter (talk) 05:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Awkward pose, distracting background, and looks heavily airbrushed. Kaldari (talk) 21:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 05:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- I think this picture illustrates strong and beautifully the abstract concept of poverty, without having to personalize the human subject
- Articles this image appears in
- Poverty
- Creator
- Tomas Castelazo
- Support as nominator --Alvesgaspar (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support Powerful image with lots of relevant EV. Lycaon (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. Anyone else reminded of this picture? With regard to the present nom, I point out that the image was just added to the health section of the Poverty article today-- I'd recommend waiting a bit to see whether the image is stable where it's been placed, and whether there is consensus about its EV. Out of curiosity, was there image manipulation (the concrete looks lighter near the right leg than anywhere else) or was that the actual lighting? Spikebrennan (talk) 21:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that a requirement similar to the one in VPC should be in force here. But that is not the case right now. As for possible manipulation I very much doubt as I can't see the purpose of it Alvesgaspar (talk) 22:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Doesn't show enough for strong EV. Just an apparently homeless pair of legs. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose per Noodle Snacks. ZooFari 00:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Have to agree with the above. Additionally looks to have a clockwise tilt. Sorry. --jjron (talk) 07:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Who wants to look at just a homeless persons legs? BUC (talk) 08:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose, not really particularly encyclopedic. J Milburn (talk) 11:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Weak support - I think this image is very exceptional in resolution and standard qualities. I also think that it has some enciclopedic value (maybe not much, but some), I was going to give a support vote, but I gave a weak support because I may not be enough objective in this case. - Damërung ...ÏìíÏ..._ΞΞΞ_ . -- 00:38, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose EV is diminished by only showing the legs. Cacophony (talk) 03:59, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Its not a homeless person, it's a homeless person's legs - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 17:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support I guess the people who opposed this picture don't think art should be allowed on Wikipedia. I like how there is no caption necessary to know exactly what this picture is about. Tennis_52 (talk) 17:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- We are determining if it meets the featured picture criteria not judging it on its artistic merit. It could be the most beautiful shot in the world, but unless it provides a significant contribution to the encyclopedia article, it should not be a featured picture. Cacophony (talk) 04:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Low EV. Makeemlighter (talk) 05:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose This does not give a striking and identifiable illustration of homelessness-it's a pair of legs.Without the caption,it's not even obviously a homeless person-it could be a miner or a poor person resting on a bench Lemon martini (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 05:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- I'm not boycotting anything, thanks to a new french student the internet here has been shaped for some time. I think this is detailed where it matters. As swans are usually found in the water more is shown than usual. I don't know about the white mute swans, but these are amazingly aggressive.
- Articles this image appears in
- Black Swan
- Creator
- Noodle snacks
- Support as nominator --Noodle snacks (talk) 00:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Very good aesthetics but little EV IMO as many parts of the body are blurred. Perhaps a side view? --Muhammad(talk) 06:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Everything, except for the neck and head, is blurred due to low DOF - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support Blurred parts kind of show motion effect that I like.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Not the best angle for good EV. Is beak blown? Makeemlighter (talk) 05:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- Good quality, nice lighting. All important plumage shown, legs shown.
- Articles this image appears in
- Silver Gull, Chroicocephalus
- Creator
- Noodle snacks
- Support as nominator --Noodle snacks (talk) 00:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Weak support EV is good but DOF is quite shallow, slight motion blur in the legs and plumage seems noisy. --Muhammad(talk) 05:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "EV" or "DOF"? I have seen that abbreviations have been used repeatedly in this page. I think you should avoid making abbreviations, or at least put the respective link to the page or section which the abbreviation means. --Woglinde 02 (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well these are very common terms used at FPC, (Featured picture candidates). EV stands for encyclopedic value and DOF for Depth of Field --Muhammad(talk) 21:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- What about "IMO"? - Damërung...ÏìíÏ..._ΞΞΞ_ . -- 00:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- http://www.acronymfinder.com/ is often useful. It stands for in my opinion. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- What about "IMO"? - Damërung...ÏìíÏ..._ΞΞΞ_ . -- 00:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. IMO a poor pose for maximum enc. The head retracted posture is, while not uncommon, let's say atypical. Also the location, a pine fence railing, is not ideal. These suckers spend most of their time on the ground or water - as can be seen by their feet they're not well adapted for perching. Finally I'd like to congratulate you on blitzing an existing FP from not just both articles infoboxes but the articles themselves in order to put this in (come on Noodle, you know better than that). --jjron (talk) 07:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- My bad on the "blitz". The other image didn't exactly look FP quality to me, but I should have checked. I feel it fair to point out that I ditched a number of images from that article. A shot in water would not show feet, and neither would most surfaces on the ground. Even the previous FP could be used to argue that perching is not entirely atypical. My bird book mentions that they may be found "many miles" from the sea too, which I'd consider empirically true. The name doesn't do me any favours though. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- You don't have to convince me that they're found far from the sea (BTW how old or trite is your bird book? Miles?). And of course they don't always land on the ground - maybe something like a picnic table would be more enc though ;-). But a shot on the ground, perhaps ideally sand, would show the feet perfectly well with sufficient contrast in colours. Not commenting on quality per se as I haven't compared closely, but compositionally I do prefer the other image. --jjron (talk) 14:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Picnic table beside the sea stealing fish and chips would be most realistic. Noodle snacks (talk) 02:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- You don't have to convince me that they're found far from the sea (BTW how old or trite is your bird book? Miles?). And of course they don't always land on the ground - maybe something like a picnic table would be more enc though ;-). But a shot on the ground, perhaps ideally sand, would show the feet perfectly well with sufficient contrast in colours. Not commenting on quality per se as I haven't compared closely, but compositionally I do prefer the other image. --jjron (talk) 14:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- My bad on the "blitz". The other image didn't exactly look FP quality to me, but I should have checked. I feel it fair to point out that I ditched a number of images from that article. A shot in water would not show feet, and neither would most surfaces on the ground. Even the previous FP could be used to argue that perching is not entirely atypical. My bird book mentions that they may be found "many miles" from the sea too, which I'd consider empirically true. The name doesn't do me any favours though. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - another very nice NS picture....but.....for such a common species a shot closer to perfection is needed. I don't like the pose, ISO has made some noticible noise and I think that camera shake (?) is evident in the legs. - Peripitus (Talk) 22:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Per jjron --Fir0002 14:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose The current one is more interesting IMO.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- Another fine illustration of Norse mythology. It illustrates part of the story of the mead of poetry. Huard's art is particularly good - note the realism of the hands, which are usually considered the most difficult parts of anatomy to draw. The story itself is particularly violent, with a chain of deaths and cannibalism.
- Articles this image appears in
- Suttungr, Fjalar and Galar, mead of poetry
- Creator
- Louis Huard
- Support as nominator --Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 01:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support Seems similar like the one I voted for last week. Good restoration. ZooFari 02:48, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- It's from the same series. I'm trying to space these out a bit, but, honestly, I have a tendency to forget about things if I delay too long. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support Noodle snacks (talk) 08:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: it looks as though it could do with rotation clockwise in the order of a couple of degrees. Seegoon (talk) 16:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Like most Victorian engravings, it's not perfectly square. This is the best fit I could find. If you look closely, the upper-right corner's border is "caved in" a little, the other three corners align quite well with the eges of the image. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support: Maedin\talk 12:17, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: To me there seems to have been a slight blurring (or similar effect) applied when restoring this. When viewed at full extent, it is most noticeable. A fantastic restoration but I do find this blurring a distraction at full resolution. Seddσn talk 04:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- No blurring was applied. By the way, it's been 15 days. Is this ever going to close? Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Illustrates the subject well. Mostlyharmless (talk) 04:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support--Mbz1 (talk) 05:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted FILE:Louis Huard - Giant Suttung and the Dwarfs.jpg --ZooFari 14:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- Great EV, high quality
- Articles this image appears in
- Joshua Tree National Park
- Creator
- Mbz1
- Support as nominator --Mbz1 (talk) 17:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Few of my latest nominations went with no oppose, with no support and with no comments at all. With this one I would really like try to figure out what is going on. It might help me to safe my and yours time in the feature, and not nominate such images anymore. May I please ask you to tell me what is wrong with the nominated image
1. Too good to oppose,
2. Too bad to support,
3. Too boring to comment and/or to vote.
Thank you for your time.--Mbz1 (talk) 13:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC) - Comment Compared to one other image in the article, this one IMO has better EV. If you upload a compressed version, then I can vote as this one is too large for me. --Muhammad(talk) 18:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you, Muhammad. It is very kind of you! I believe you are right about EV. This image shouws sphere and nice connection between other rocks. Here is the other version (the size is the same, but the quality is worse for you to be able to see without loosing the time) File:Giant Marbles in Joshua Tree National Park compressed.jpg or maybe you ment you wanted me to downsample the image rather than reduce the quality?--Mbz1 (talk) 20:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- I think he meant a downsample. SpencerT♦Nominate! 00:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you, Spencer. I've overwritten my compressed image with down sampled one--Mbz1 (talk) 02:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- I think he meant a downsample. SpencerT♦Nominate! 00:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you, Muhammad. It is very kind of you! I believe you are right about EV. This image shouws sphere and nice connection between other rocks. Here is the other version (the size is the same, but the quality is worse for you to be able to see without loosing the time) File:Giant Marbles in Joshua Tree National Park compressed.jpg or maybe you ment you wanted me to downsample the image rather than reduce the quality?--Mbz1 (talk) 20:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support I don't see any major technical issues with the image, colours look good. However, I sorta disagree with Muhammad. I recently visited Joshua Tree NP, and I think both images have good EV. SpencerT♦Nominate! 00:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support That caption needs to be added to the article however, its unclear what you are looking at there. Someone needs to remove about half the images from the article. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:17, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for your suggestion, Noodle snacks. I added geology section to the article. I'd rather somebody else, but me removed some images from the article.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- I further did some image movement and cleanup. SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support --Muhammad(talk) 07:13, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support meets all the criteria. Very good EV. — Jake Wartenberg 01:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
OpposeNot sold on EV. Are these unique to this park? Are they the major feature of the park? I get no sense of scale from the picture. Are they huge? Small? I'd consider supporting if the caption or article were improved to give a better sense of what we're looking at. Makeemlighter (talk) 05:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)- No scale? There are not just one, but two persons at the rocks to see the scale!--Mbz1 (talk) 10:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- As for the caption, may I please ask you, if you read the article I linked the caption to? I believe I did my best with the caption, but I am not a native speaker of English. I'm opened for suggestions, if you be so kind to advise me what else from this article should be included in the caption. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 10:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- I just visited the park about 2 months ago. After seeing it, I'd say the rocks are a major feature of the park (I have a similar picture, but the quality is crap). SpencerT♦Nominate! 20:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- As for the caption, may I please ask you, if you read the article I linked the caption to? I believe I did my best with the caption, but I am not a native speaker of English. I'm opened for suggestions, if you be so kind to advise me what else from this article should be included in the caption. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 10:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't see the people. Changing my vote to Weak Oppose. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- No scale? There are not just one, but two persons at the rocks to see the scale!--Mbz1 (talk) 10:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Lovely image, superb lighting, excellent EV. The human figures add a helpful sense of scale. Spikebrennan (talk) 14:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Comment with conditional support Speaking as a geologist, the caption is very poor. Here is a suggested version with grammar and text alterations to make it clearer and more accurate:
- The rock formations of Joshua Tree National Park were formed 100 million years ago from the cooling of magma beneath the surface. Groundwater is responsible for the weathering that created the spheres from rectangular blocks. You could read more about the rock formations here
- If the above or similar change is made then this image recieves my support. Seddσn talk 05:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- The caption was changed. Thank you--Mbz1 (talk) 14:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Giant Marbles in Joshua Tree National Park.jpg --wadester16 04:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- Good size, good quality, clear illustration of the species
- Articles this image appears in
- Fulvous whistling duck
- Creator
- Branko Kannenberg
- Support as nominator --Maedin\talk 19:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment EV seems limited with this angle. IMO more beautiful than encyclopedic --Muhammad(talk) 19:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Sufficient EV, high quality. Mostlyharmless (talk) 02:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support Cool picture! --68.175.94.200 (talk) 20:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Did you forget to log in? Maedin\talk 22:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
VeryWeakOpposeSupport. I really like this image, but per Muhammad the EV is limited by the camera angle. I keep coming back to it, but just find I can't support due to that. Would surely be a shoe-in on Commons (where I note it's already featured). --jjron (talk) 08:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC) On further reflection I figure that we have portrait style FPs of other animals, which for the most part is what this is achieving - yes full body is usually preferred especially for smaller animals, and while we see most of the full body here it's essentially a portrait. Quibbles here, quibbles there over that this and that, so I'll go for a weak support instead. --jjron (talk) 07:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, it was a shoe-in there. I can accept that the EV would be considered limited, but I'm glad you find it otherwise irresistable, too, :-) Maedin\talk 09:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- On further reflection changed my vote (see above). --jjron (talk) 07:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support We already have a side view of the species in the article (taken by me actually!) so not seeing the side of the bird is not a problem, we've got it covered. This image instead shows what the bird looks like while swimming, so what does it matter that it is taken at the angle it is? We have one from the front and one from the side and both show different things and the one from the front is the technically superior one, and speaking as a bird editor I think the encyclopaedic value of this image is just fine. Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Weak Support Before I opened this, I was sure it was an oppose since the angle limits the EV. But it's a spectacular shot! The detail on its head surely makes up for the missing body. I think that adds up to a weak support. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Dendrocygna bicolor wilhelma.jpg --wadester16 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- I managed to get two good shots of this little jumping spider which I then focus stacked. Although the far legs are not in focus, the DOF is pretty good for the subject (8mm at the most). The image is high res and sharp, the only white pixels are a couple small specular highlights in the eyes, the EV is high, the composition is good, the background, although not ideal, isn't distracting.
- Articles this image appears in
- Thiodina puerpera, Thiodina
- Creator
- Kaldari
- Support as nominator --Kaldari (talk) 16:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support Would've liked to have seen the front pair of eyes a bit more, but that would eat depth of field. You should probably go up to about the sub-family with article placements. Noodle snacks (talk)
- Support - This is an example of an astonishing quality image. Congratulations for the photographer. - Damërung ...ÏìíÏ..._ΞΞΞ_ . -- 00:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support per above. ZooFari 01:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support Good quality. Lighting is good on the subject, shadow slightly distracting but the details makes up for it. --Muhammad(talk) 07:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support--Mbz1 (talk) 23:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support -Very good quality -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 10:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support Wow! Great EV, quality. What is that white line thing about halfway down on the right side? Makeemlighter (talk) 06:27, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- That's the spider's dragline. Jumping spiders don't spin webs but they do leave a strand of silk behind wherever they go, so that in case they jump somewhere they don't want to be (in pursuit of prey) they can get back to their original spot. Kaldari (talk) 16:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- That's neat. Thanks so much. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- That's the spider's dragline. Jumping spiders don't spin webs but they do leave a strand of silk behind wherever they go, so that in case they jump somewhere they don't want to be (in pursuit of prey) they can get back to their original spot. Kaldari (talk) 16:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Thiodina puerpera female 02.jpg --wadester16 19:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- Technically it is a good picture, the subject is in focus, crisp colors, etc. The image has a large resolution that well exceeds Wikipedia's required minimum for a featured picture. The image is the best example in Wikipedia regarding Kobe Beef. It can therefore be argued that it is an exemplar graphical representation of Japanese food culture, The high detail on the marbelling of the beef gives a valuable representation of what high grade kobe beef looks like. The image has no artistic characteristics, it is a straight forward picture of real Kobe beef. It is therefore informative and adds encyclopedic value to the articles it links to.
- Articles this image appears in
- Kobe beef, Wagyu
- Creator
- iamorlando
- Support as nominator --iamorlando 23:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Sorry, but the angle and lighting is poor. The background isn't pleasant and the image overall seems to be too soft (not sharpened). The illustration isn't bad, but it isn't FP material. ZooFari 23:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose per ZooFari. I have heard of Kobe Beef before via Iron Chef though. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose for composition and lighting. Good EV, though. Take a look through the galleries for FP-quality photographs of food. Spikebrennan (talk) 17:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 19:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- Good quality brhavior shot. Adds value to the article.
- Articles this image appears in
- Canada Goose
- Creator
- Mbz1
- Support as nominator --Mbz1 (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Vignetting? wadester16 20:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comment, Wadester16. Does edit 1 looks any better to you?--Mbz1 (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose The picture seems oversharpened and harsh. Colours dont look fantastic. Both which I would put down to the camera. Seddσn talk 04:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Cute ducks though. Seddσn talk 04:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you. They are geese.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - I think it has not much encyclopedic value. - Damërung ...ÏìíÏ..._ΞΞΞ_ . -- 22:34, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Weak support Good illustration but placement in the article and crop prevents full support. --Muhammad(talk) 19:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not much EV here. The article is already over-saturated with pictures. I don't think this one adds much. Composition and lighting are not very exciting either. Kaldari (talk) 20:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- OK, lighting, composition and so on, it is a matter of taste, but I am not sure I understand complains about EV. I do not think we have a FP image of Canada goslings, so why this image's EV is any different than EV of any other image of an insect, animal, or a bird? As for the article, there are three very similar images of adult birds, two of which could be safely removed IMO. The nominated image's caption clearly shows both EV of the image and why this image adds the value to the article (IMO), not to mention that the nominated images shows the best details on adult birds feather (IMO). Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. I'd probably have been on my belly for this one. I think a detailed image of a chick would add more. Noodle snacks (talk) 02:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- I am glad you realized that I was on my belly for this one. :)--Mbz1 (talk) 02:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- I withdraw my nomination.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --NW (Talk) (How am I doing?) 15:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- Very high res, a wide, complete and detailed view of the castle from an aesthetic angle showing the moat structure.
- Articles this image appears in
- Leeds Castle
- Creator
- User:Diliff
- Support as nominator --Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 21:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support Have you seen any swans there?--Mbz1 (talk) 23:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- I did see quite a few swans, but only one on the moat itself - most were in other parts of the castle grounds. Lots of geese and ducks too. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Good EV, high quality, good composition. Is it a little overexposed on the left part of the castle? Not sure, but the 'brick' colour there looks a bit bright. --jjron (talk) 07:59, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Possibly. I think it's brighter because it's receiving reflected light from the moat, whereas the wall, made from different (less reflective?) stone stops that reflection on the right side. Whether it's overexposed or just rather bright is debatable, though I admit it's borderline. ;-) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- I could selectively burn the left side of the castle to darken it a little if it's a problem for others, but I don't personally find it objectionable. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- I don't find it particularly objectionable either (or I wouldn't have supported straight off), but a bit of a burn in mightn't hurt. --jjron (talk) 14:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I could selectively burn the left side of the castle to darken it a little if it's a problem for others, but I don't personally find it objectionable. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Possibly. I think it's brighter because it's receiving reflected light from the moat, whereas the wall, made from different (less reflective?) stone stops that reflection on the right side. Whether it's overexposed or just rather bright is debatable, though I admit it's borderline. ;-) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I keep getting the impression that this is tilted clockwise a bit. But the building verticals are all over the place (to be expected with age). Also, is that a black swan about a third of the way from the left? Noodle snacks (talk) 13:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- I can't be sure of the tilt any more than you can. I corrected for the verticals as they tend to be a little more reliable and consistent from left to right. Certainly if there is an overall image tilt, it's very slight and not noticable without pixel-peeping (optical illusions and impressions aside). Yes, I think it's a swan. Either my eyes are playing tricks on me or it looks like it's mounting a little black shaggy dog. Not likely, so I'm not sure what that is. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 13:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- It looks to me like it's just a swan swimming towards us that is in the shadows. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I can't be sure of the tilt any more than you can. I corrected for the verticals as they tend to be a little more reliable and consistent from left to right. Certainly if there is an overall image tilt, it's very slight and not noticable without pixel-peeping (optical illusions and impressions aside). Yes, I think it's a swan. Either my eyes are playing tricks on me or it looks like it's mounting a little black shaggy dog. Not likely, so I'm not sure what that is. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 13:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- support – Wladyslaw (talk) 09:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support I think I do detect a bit of tilt. And perhaps a bit of overexposure like Jjron mentioned. But I still think this is an excellent picture, strong in both EV and quality. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure the tilt you're seeing is due to perspective (you're not looking at the building from exactly straight on, and due to wide view, that angle actually changes slightly from left to right too). Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 07:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm usually one of the first to jump on perceived tilts, but I don't think there's any here. --jjron (talk) 14:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure the tilt you're seeing is due to perspective (you're not looking at the building from exactly straight on, and due to wide view, that angle actually changes slightly from left to right too). Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 07:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support Tilts are evident on all the buildings this way or that. No one can pin it down though so might as well. Pity we don't have a reference non composite image from the same spot. Noodle snacks (talk) 02:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- There would be tilts on various parts of the building regardless of how perfectly it was straightened or corrected though. You can only correct the perspective to avoid tilts if there was a single face, or if the camera is at the same height as the top of the building (so that there is no perspective at all, but even this wouldn't work as the building height varies across the scene so you could only ever keep it straight for one particular height). I'm not sure how this could really be improved to be honest. I know you supported so it's a moot issue, but wanted to bring it up anyway. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- A reference non-composite (with a good lens) would let you figure out how off all the verticals should be for sure. You'd probably have to compensate with PTLens or something though to be really sure. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- There would be tilts on various parts of the building regardless of how perfectly it was straightened or corrected though. You can only correct the perspective to avoid tilts if there was a single face, or if the camera is at the same height as the top of the building (so that there is no perspective at all, but even this wouldn't work as the building height varies across the scene so you could only ever keep it straight for one particular height). I'm not sure how this could really be improved to be honest. I know you supported so it's a moot issue, but wanted to bring it up anyway. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Leeds Castle, Kent, England 1 - May 09.jpg ZooFari 00:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- Took this one on a recent roadtrip west. The memorial consists of a lot of different parts. This panorama helps someone who has never been there understand their positions. I also think it's a very scenic picture.
- Articles this image appears in
- Oklahoma City National Memorial
- Creator
- Raul654
- Support as nominator --Raul654 (talk) 22:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment There are a few stitching errors: two are along the closest edge of the pool on the left side. Another runs through the stone walls on the right side. And any reason this is PNG and not JPEG? wadester16 23:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Prehaps something to do with JPEG being a crap format for high quality images and archiving? Seddσn talk 05:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. That middle building looks really bright - there appears to be more detail in its reflection than the building itself. Tried to load a preview to comment further (the original at near 20MB is too big for me to download) but it wouldn't work, I assume a PNG issue. --jjron (talk) 08:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Nice view and composition, but the technicals are not strong. As mentioned, the building in the centre is quite overexposed and there are obvious stitching faults. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - stitching faults all over the place, main building is whited out. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 10:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. It is aesthetically pleasing though. I'd crop the wall on the far right out for symmetry. Good luck getting this to stitch without a panorama head. The image does a good job of showing where everything is. The survivor tree is obscured in this shot, so shouldn't really be included in the article caption imo. Noodle snacks (talk) 13:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose, blown building (I'm sorry, I didn't plan that and wasn't thinking about what was behind the image). If we could fix that, and combine the sky and reflection from the PNG with the landscape from the JPG, as well as the stitching faults, we'd have something. Daniel Case (talk) 02:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 05:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- A very powerful, high quality image with special EV. Adds the value to the articles it is used in.
- Articles this image appears in
- Homelessness;Old age;Homelessness in Japan
- Creator
- MichaelMaggs
- Support as nominator --Mbz1 (talk) 23:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
- Regretful oppose they say every image tells a story and this one definitely does but I'm sorry its too grainy. Maybe try wikipedia: valued pictures? --Thanks, Hadseys 00:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- "Too grainy"? There is virtually no visible noise in this image (taken at 200 ISO) when viewed at 100% so I am not sure what you are referring to. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 12:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed, there is no visible grain in this image. Could you explain, Hadseys? —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 13:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- I posted question at the user talk page.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry i meant artefacts, i mean look at the guys cap and for that reason im gna have to oppose. Sorry for the lack of clarity I know very little about photography --Thanks, Hadseys 20:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Hmmm. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 22:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm all you like mate but it still has quality issues --Thanks, Hadseys 22:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- I posted question at the user talk page.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose
Low enc. with current use in articles. If there was an article Homelessness in Japan, enc. concerns would be mitigated.SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- The thing is that homelessness in Japan has many different faces from the homelessness in other parts of the world including the ones I specified in the caption. That's why I wrote in the reason for the nomination that the image has special EV. Homelessness does mention Japan in few places specificly. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Still an oppose because of weak technicals: though interesting, the picture is of snapshot quality and the lighting isn't that great. SpencerT♦Nominate! 22:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Come on now, Spencer. You complained about the absence of the article Homelessness in Japan. Look, this article name is not displayed in red anymore. IMO you ought to support the image now :) On a more serious note I cannot agree that it is snapshot quality image. The manual settings - aperture priority were used to take the picture. IMO the image has good quality. Please take a look at the man forehead. Every wrinkle is clearly seen. Of course the lighting is not even because of the cap the man has on, but it what makes the image more natural IMO. The subject did not pose for the image, yet the photographer captured not only a great portrait, but also all the misery of the man existence. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Enc. is not the only thing to determine an FP; the issue on that has been resolved. Technical issues: Blown highlights on the man's pillow and a blanket/towel he is laying on. Some chromatic abbheration on his hat. Distracting background (I know that this shows and actual setting, but a simple wall would have been a better setting that with all the extra plants and lights poles behind him). Overall, I feel the image is rather bright, and perhaps a later photo time would have been better. SpencerT♦Nominate! 20:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Come on now, Spencer. You complained about the absence of the article Homelessness in Japan. Look, this article name is not displayed in red anymore. IMO you ought to support the image now :) On a more serious note I cannot agree that it is snapshot quality image. The manual settings - aperture priority were used to take the picture. IMO the image has good quality. Please take a look at the man forehead. Every wrinkle is clearly seen. Of course the lighting is not even because of the cap the man has on, but it what makes the image more natural IMO. The subject did not pose for the image, yet the photographer captured not only a great portrait, but also all the misery of the man existence. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Still an oppose because of weak technicals: though interesting, the picture is of snapshot quality and the lighting isn't that great. SpencerT♦Nominate! 22:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- The thing is that homelessness in Japan has many different faces from the homelessness in other parts of the world including the ones I specified in the caption. That's why I wrote in the reason for the nomination that the image has special EV. Homelessness does mention Japan in few places specificly. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Clear artifacting and noisey. Seddσn talk 04:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Not FP quality. Spencer sums it up pretty well. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 05:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- Good quality and EV. Better identification was not possible probably because few beetles have been completely identified and more research is needed. A different angle/composition was not possible as the beetle was hiding in crevices in rocks.
- Articles this image appears in
- Darkling beetle, Tenebrioninae
- Creator
- Muhammad
- Support as nominator --Muhammad(talk) 08:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Oppose- EV issues due to lack of identification. The Tenebrioninae is a large family and this species can hardly be considered as representative. Could it be a Leichenum sp. ? -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 09:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)- I checked the forum where it had been identified and there was some further identification which I had forgotten to add to the image description. It is a Alphitobius sp. No EV issues now, I presume --Muhammad(talk) 10:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Are you sure about the length of the animal? Is 2mm right? -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, the beetle was around 5mm long. --Muhammad(talk) 03:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Are you sure about the length of the animal? Is 2mm right? -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- I checked the forum where it had been identified and there was some further identification which I had forgotten to add to the image description. It is a Alphitobius sp. No EV issues now, I presume --Muhammad(talk) 10:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support--Mbz1 (talk) 17:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Can't say for sure on the monitor I'm using, but WB seems very blue. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Just checked on a second monitor. WB seems fine to me. --Muhammad(talk) 13:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - Sorry but I can't see anything here deserving FP status. Correct and good quality photo, but nothing more. I don't like the framing. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- What more is required. It has tremendous EV and very good quality compared to other images of its kind in the article. Come on Alves, are you just bent on opposing this picture? First EV and now framing? I thought this FPC was more about EV then any other criterion and I fail to see your reasoning. --Muhammad(talk) 05:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- It is required some magic or exceptional value, which I can't see here. Quality is not enough and you can't expect all of your pictures to be promoted. Did I already say that we are choosing the best of the best? My first oppose was automatic, I didn't even need to open the picture (the comment about few beetles having been identified isn't convincing). -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 07:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Compared to other beetles in the article, how is the quality? Images have to judged in context to other images of the kind, not just other macro images. This beetle was around 5mm long, getting better quality than this is impossible and if this is the best wikipedia has, than it should be promoted. If you know of any better darkling beetle pictures, than let's see them and compare them to this and choose the best of the best. And whether the first argument was convincing or not, its what the entomologists tell me. It seems kinda funny that you oppose for a reason, once that is fixed, you strike out your oppose only to oppose again after the nomination has received some support. --Muhammad(talk) 07:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- It is required some magic or exceptional value, which I can't see here. Quality is not enough and you can't expect all of your pictures to be promoted. Did I already say that we are choosing the best of the best? My first oppose was automatic, I didn't even need to open the picture (the comment about few beetles having been identified isn't convincing). -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 07:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- What more is required. It has tremendous EV and very good quality compared to other images of its kind in the article. Come on Alves, are you just bent on opposing this picture? First EV and now framing? I thought this FPC was more about EV then any other criterion and I fail to see your reasoning. --Muhammad(talk) 05:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Comment The background is quite distracting. Do you think you might be able to get a better angle/composition in the future or is this really the best possible? Makeemlighter (talk) 06:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- The background is the part of the rock where it hides/lives. I tried different angles but this one showed the beetle in the best possible manner for quality and EV. --Muhammad(talk) 07:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support Good quality, EV. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose because the critter is not identified, it is not really useful encyclopaedically. GerardM (talk) 06:18, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- It is identified till genus (only a step away from species) which is enough for it use in articles. Several featured pictures are identified to this level only as it is almost impossible to identify any further without dissection of the specimen. --Muhammad(talk) 06:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- The same is true of many fungi species too. On some occasions the naming hasn't been done yet. 58.6.103.150 (talk) 07:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- Further id would not be very useful as the image is being used in the subfamily and family articles. --Muhammad(talk) 07:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- We are talking about the merits of this picture.. The critter is not identified and as such its encyclopaedic value is low.
- This is as far as is possible. At least 20 other featured pictures exist with this level of identification only. --Muhammad(talk) 16:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- We are talking about the merits of this picture.. The critter is not identified and as such its encyclopaedic value is low.
- It is identified till genus (only a step away from species) which is enough for it use in articles. Several featured pictures are identified to this level only as it is almost impossible to identify any further without dissection of the specimen. --Muhammad(talk) 06:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Illustrates the subject well. Mostlyharmless (talk) 04:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support your reasonings are rediculous. You guys for some weird reason you are being more strict on this one. Muhammad addressed all the issues, what else could you possibly need? I've seen far worse images that you guys have supported, and yet if this was a FP for delisting, you would just be peevy about it. ZooFari 02:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Darkling beetle.jpg ZooFari 00:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- I was given access to the tallest building in Tanzania which gave a perfect view of the city center. The image is not very wide so it displays well in the article. Good quality as well.
- Articles this image appears in
- Dar es Salaam, Ilala
- Creator
- Muhammad
- Support as nominator --Muhammad(talk) 19:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Maybe it's my strange eyes, but doesn't it need a little clockwise rotation? ZooFari 22:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
- Uploaded an edit over the original with the tilt fixed. --Muhammad(talk) 03:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- It still looks a bit tilted. At least the horizon is, but the buildings are (almost) straight so perhaps there is another explanation. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Uploaded an edit over the original with the tilt fixed. --Muhammad(talk) 03:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support Good quality image of the part of the world we rarely get images from.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Although note we do have this already. wadester16 05:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- That was taken from a different location and IMO serves a different purpose in the article. --Muhammad(talk) 06:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yea I know; I'm just saying. wadester16 20:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- That was taken from a different location and IMO serves a different purpose in the article. --Muhammad(talk) 06:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Although note we do have this already. wadester16 05:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Weak Support. Good EV, although I would appreciate a wider view. I appreciate that these opportunities don't come around often, but it probably wasn't the ideal time to take this photo as it looks a bit flat. Half an hour later or perhaps an hour earlier probably would have given a more aesthetic view. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- By the way, I think it could also benefit from a crop of some of the sky, as it sort of seems like 'wasted space' in this image. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 07:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Comment. Caption should identify the vantage point from which the photo was taken, what direction it is facing, and what landmarks/neighborhoods/sights can be seen in the photo. Spikebrennan (talk) 14:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Updated caption. Is it ok now? --Muhammad(talk) 17:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support Spikebrennan (talk) 17:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yea, and I would suggest using the {{location}} template at Commons, unless this was, say, from the roof of your house and you want the anonymity. wadester16 20:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Updated caption. Is it ok now? --Muhammad(talk) 17:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Good quality, high Enc. Value Mostlyharmless (talk) 02:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Skyline shot that personalizes a city not widely known for a skyline. Daniel Case (talk) 02:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- Weak Support A little photoshop love might go a long way in enhancing this image. It could use a little sprucing up, so to speak.Spiral5800 (talk) 08:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- What changes do you wish to see when you say "photoshop love" and "sprucing up"? I mean, can you be a tad more specific? (like noise reduction, etc). SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Dar es Salaam before dusk.jpg --SpencerT♦Nominate! 00:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- Reason
- Illustrates family and genus. Quality/lighting is probably good. The species is notable enough for an article of its own but I don't have time.
- Articles this image appears in
- Hepialidae, Abantiades, Abantiades latipennis
- Creator
- Noodle snacks
- Support as nominator --Noodle snacks (talk) 11:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Weak Support. Good quality, but why take it from the rear? Composition would be better from a more side on or frontal view IMO. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 11:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Its pretty close to side on. There is another from the front. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Looks about 30 degrees away from side on. The frontal view is too frontal and the proportions/shape is harder to discern. Perhaps 20 degrees from the side on view towards the front would be ideal, but clearly you don't have a second chance to reshoot it. ;-) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Here is a (back focused) top down view, which explains what it might look like. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Looks about 30 degrees away from side on. The frontal view is too frontal and the proportions/shape is harder to discern. Perhaps 20 degrees from the side on view towards the front would be ideal, but clearly you don't have a second chance to reshoot it. ;-) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Its pretty close to side on. There is another from the front. Noodle snacks (talk) 12:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- What's its size? --Muhammad(talk) 13:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Better replace it as the taxobox image in Abantiades, IMO better than the current one. Also noise reduction under the abdomen. --Muhammad(talk) 14:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Which are you refering to abdomen wise? Also, about 80mm or so. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- The original seems to have some noise under the abdomen. --Muhammad(talk) 08:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Better replace it as the taxobox image in Abantiades, IMO better than the current one. Also noise reduction under the abdomen. --Muhammad(talk) 14:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support any--Mbz1 (talk) 17:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Question. Is this moth alive? It looks rather stiff/propped up. Particularly from the leg positions. Also it looks a bit haggard - lots of wing scales missing and one of the wings is torn. Kaldari (talk) 18:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm, good point. :-) It does a bit dead, or at least rather sleepy. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 22:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'd assume it is nocturnal, but I found it during the day (~11am according to camera clock). It was crawling around a bit. If it was dead I would have taken it home and photographed it in controlled conditions. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I had noticed that it had moved between the two shots, but for all I knew you could have moved it with your hand! It does seem a bit strange that it's propped up on that white thing (bit of fungus? bark?), with a couple of its legs off the ground though, so you can appreciate a bit of confusion/suspicion. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Actually a gum nut. Noodle snacks (talk) 23:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I had noticed that it had moved between the two shots, but for all I knew you could have moved it with your hand! It does seem a bit strange that it's propped up on that white thing (bit of fungus? bark?), with a couple of its legs off the ground though, so you can appreciate a bit of confusion/suspicion. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'd assume it is nocturnal, but I found it during the day (~11am according to camera clock). It was crawling around a bit. If it was dead I would have taken it home and photographed it in controlled conditions. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm, good point. :-) It does a bit dead, or at least rather sleepy. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 22:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- May I ask how you ID'd this? Maedin\talk 08:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- I created an article for the species, Abantiades latipennis, and if it is approved at DYK (fingers crossed) should be on the main page eventually. Noodle snacks, you spelled the species name wrong in your file name, and the name of the alternative version needs to be changed from Unidentified. If anyone is interested, this is probably a female dying of starvation, seeing as the moth doesn't have any mouthparts and can't eat for the duration of its adult life. I suppose the hunger is probably tempered by the mating frenzies at dusk in the meantime? ;-) Maedin\talk 14:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Wow, you certainly have been busy. No wonder it's exhausted. It just spent the night being molested. Is the lack of mouthparts unique to that species? I'm hardly an expert on moths, but I remember reading about other insects that don't feed after metamorphosis... Of course I could be completely wrong, so I'm asking with honest curiosity. :-) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- The lack of mouthparts is evident in all genera of the Hepialidae family, totalling about 587 species . . . whether it's also common in other families/genera/species, I have no idea! You could be right, but it was the first time I'd ever heard of it (but I am peculiarly uneducated, so no surprise there!). Maedin\talk 15:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Even the adult Black soldier fly has no mouth parts. --Muhammad(talk) 16:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- You have been busy! I've got a book, "Wings: an introduction to Tasmania's winged insects" which I use to help ID things. I also have an entomologist contact who was at DPIWE but is now at the Museum (which has a reference collection of insects). My mistake on the species name. Don't get me started on the pain that renaming is. I'd re-upload the alternate prior to promotion if it looked like it was going to happen. Noodle snacks (talk) 23:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, one thing, on a purely size basis I'd be leaning towards a male for this one. Noodle snacks (talk) 23:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ok about the ID, but while "conducting research" for the article, I started to think that maybe this isn't A. latipennis, but I have zero experience, so I would trust your judgement better than mine! The wing markings don't seem to match those of a male A. latipennis, so instead of thinking the species ID was wrong, I decided that perhaps it is a female, because the silver bars aren't outlined in the females and are less prominent. The body is also more grey than brown to me, which matched the female descriptions I read. But information was quite scarce, anyway, so there isn't a lot to go on. Maedin\talk 06:34, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Mind you, on a size basis 80 vs 100mm isn't that different really (considering the estimation involved). Noodle snacks (talk) 06:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- A good proportion of the visible wing is damaged, with the furry covering that makes the markings rubbed off. Mostlyharmless (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Mind you, on a size basis 80 vs 100mm isn't that different really (considering the estimation involved). Noodle snacks (talk) 06:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ok about the ID, but while "conducting research" for the article, I started to think that maybe this isn't A. latipennis, but I have zero experience, so I would trust your judgement better than mine! The wing markings don't seem to match those of a male A. latipennis, so instead of thinking the species ID was wrong, I decided that perhaps it is a female, because the silver bars aren't outlined in the females and are less prominent. The body is also more grey than brown to me, which matched the female descriptions I read. But information was quite scarce, anyway, so there isn't a lot to go on. Maedin\talk 06:34, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, one thing, on a purely size basis I'd be leaning towards a male for this one. Noodle snacks (talk) 23:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- You have been busy! I've got a book, "Wings: an introduction to Tasmania's winged insects" which I use to help ID things. I also have an entomologist contact who was at DPIWE but is now at the Museum (which has a reference collection of insects). My mistake on the species name. Don't get me started on the pain that renaming is. I'd re-upload the alternate prior to promotion if it looked like it was going to happen. Noodle snacks (talk) 23:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Even the adult Black soldier fly has no mouth parts. --Muhammad(talk) 16:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- The lack of mouthparts is evident in all genera of the Hepialidae family, totalling about 587 species . . . whether it's also common in other families/genera/species, I have no idea! You could be right, but it was the first time I'd ever heard of it (but I am peculiarly uneducated, so no surprise there!). Maedin\talk 15:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Wow, you certainly have been busy. No wonder it's exhausted. It just spent the night being molested. Is the lack of mouthparts unique to that species? I'm hardly an expert on moths, but I remember reading about other insects that don't feed after metamorphosis... Of course I could be completely wrong, so I'm asking with honest curiosity. :-) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support original only --Muhammad(talk) 05:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - would prefer a more healthy specimen with less wear on the wings and a more lively pose. Technical quality is excellent. Kaldari (talk) 15:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Would "female dying of starvation" in the caption fix that? Noodle snacks (talk) 22:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think that would be an improvement on the second image at least. Then the condition of the moth would contribute to its EV rather than detracting from it. I would be inclined to support the second picture in that case, but still not the first. The moth in the first picture reminds me too much of Weekend at Bernies. Kaldari (talk) 15:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Would "female dying of starvation" in the caption fix that? Noodle snacks (talk) 22:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support original. Illustrates the subject in a compelling fashion. Mostlyharmless (talk) 05:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Support original per Mostlyharmless. Sophus Bie (talk) 10:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- Weak support Good colour & form giving obvious EV, just a bit "zapped" under that big light, which could have improved detail had it been a little less front-on. I'm ok with the setting & war wounds, personally. --mikaultalk 13:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- For the original it was about 45 degrees and front left. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose No scale provided. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 23:47, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- A read of the article might help you find this information. Best not to play guesswork. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'll try and pack a ruler in future, but I reserve the right to not get attacked by Myrmecia. I'd also bear in mind that most insects will fly away when you get to close (ie with a ruler). Noodle snacks (talk) 01:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- A read of the article might help you find this information. Best not to play guesswork. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Abantiades Laptipennis.jpg Consensus seems to be in the direction of the original. --wadester16 04:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
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- Reason
- An amazing shot from the nuclear testing era, might need a little Photoshop magic to remove dust/defects but otherwise I think it's an amazing photograph demonstrating the absolute power of nuclear weapons.
- Articles this image appears in
- Operation Crossroads
- Creator
- US Government
- Support as nominator --— raeky (talk | edits) 01:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
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Suspended until restored. wadester16 | Talk→ 03:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
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Unsuspended after original was restored. Seven days starts.... NOW! wadester16 05:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Operation Crossroads Baker Edit.jpg Hopefully nobody is bothered by the fact that I closed this nom, even though I supported it. But it's been open a while, and the consensus couldn't be any more obvious. --wadester16 04:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)  
Promoted File:Tuskegee airmen 2.jpg --wadester16 04:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 04:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:ISS_March_2009.jpg The consensus is obvious, though it seems if a better image can be found, that is up to date, it should be nominated to replace this image. The image found by Seddon may have a bit higher resolution, but the artifacting is worse (I also think that the composition of the FPC is better, but that's my opinion). Either way, this is a pass. --wadester16 04:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 16:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 16:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
--ErgoSum•talk•trib 22:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC) Update I have provided a higher resolution image, so the fonts issue is solved. Also, there is no "towers of hanoi" effect, as this shows the natural features of volcanic lava flows piled up over time. All of the ship based data is of high resolution, but the areas of fuzzy low resolution are still present. Nothing can be done about this, but the supposed "artifacts" can be smoothed out, however, the this would only "hide" the fact that there is less data available for these areas (i.e., its still not going to be as detailed as the rest of the map). I'm hoping the previous !voters will be kind enough to re-evaluate the image again based on the new and improved version, and in light of new information. Or should I just renominate? I don't deal too much with Featured Pictures, so I'm not up to speed on the procotols around here. --ErgoSum•talk•trib 20:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 01:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Morogoro panorama.jpg --wadester16 01:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 
Promoted File:Apple mango and cross section edit1.jpg --wadester16 01:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 01:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Erigeron Glaucus.jpg --wadester16 05:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Echeveria Blue Curl.jpg --wadester16 05:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 01:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 
Not promoted --wadester16 01:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Kew Gardens Waterlily House - Sept 2008.jpg --wadester16 02:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Seven Sisters Panorama, East Sussex, England - May 2009.jpg --wadester16 02:58, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:LandscapeArchPano.jpg --wadester16 03:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
  
Promoted File:Female Tetraloniella sp edit1.jpg When available, a cropped/zoomed copy is preferable. --wadester16 05:08, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:DTM Mercedes W204 DiResta09 amk.jpg --wadester16 05:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 05:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 
Not promoted --wadester16 17:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 
Not promoted No consensus in my eyes.--wadester16 17:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 03:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 
Promoted File:Charaxes brutus natalensis.jpg --wadester16 23:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted 4 S, 3.5 O → Sorry, no can do. --wadester16 19:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted I checked and didn't see evidence of copyvio, but still no promoted. --wadester16 19:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Evania appendigaster.jpg --wadester16 19:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Promoted File:Rhodotus palmatus2.jpg That's a lot of weak supports, but seems sufficient. :-) --wadester16 19:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 
Promoted File:Wandering glider horizontal edit1.jpg --wadester16 04:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 04:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 04:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted The dreaded 4S/2O → sorry, but Muhammad has a good point. --wadester16 06:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted No quorum. --wadester16 06:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 15:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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Promoted File:Face_of_a_Southern_Yellowjacket_Queen_(Vespula_squamosa).jpg Consensus seems clear. --wadester16 15:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
  
Promoted File:Gov Davey's proclamation-edit2.jpg Edit 2 is preferable. --wadester16 18:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted --wadester16 05:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Comment My Support was based on the FP critera. Jason Rees (talk) 14:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
←I added the time to the caption and checked the Best track. The image almost matches up perfectly with it's initial peak, within 2 hours of reaching it. As for many storms looking like that each year, I beg to differ. Storms don't get that kind of structure so easily and get their image taken by the MODIS satellite so perfectly and what "amazing features" are missing? Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Not promoted I'm not promoting this image, which has received 6S/4O; Stevage's oppose is taken with a grain of salt, considering that the precedent has been set and these types of photos are common for FP promotions (I see it as like saying we can't have images by Mathew Brady because he wasn't a Wikipedian). That said, the vote count would go 6/3. While that typically passes, after reading the discussion here, I'm not convinced of the relative importance of this specific cyclone at this specific time, based on the nomination and arguments for. Supports for this image include arguments of "striking beauty" and "high EV". While these may be the case, you do indeed have a library of almost 800 similar images, all of which meet the criteria of those support statements. Hurricanehink asks, at 22:43, 24 June 2009, "why is this image, in particular, so important?" This is precisely what I thought when going through this discussion. The answer ("how can you say it isn't important? It shows a very well-developed cyclone, featuring a clear eye, symmetrical structure, good outflow and is overall a very striking image") describes at least 100 of the images in the library and is not specific enough to warrant FP promotion, specifically regarding criterium 3 (bullet 1). If this were promoted, why not promote all the others in that library? I would suggest scanning the library and coming back with another, and writing a very specific nomination including its location, its wind speed, its category, and why it is notable (Is it larger than most? Is it faster than most? Did it cause a significantly notable amount of damage? Is the image of higher technical quality than most? Is it in a location that doesn't typically experience cyclones or cyclones of this magnitude?) The more specific, the better and the more persuasive one is in trying to promote an image. Not trying to sound mean or to put anyone down, but I think we can do better. Any issues with this closure → my talk page, please. --wadester16 06:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Withdrawn by nominator --wadester16 05:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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Not promoted --wadester16 05:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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