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The one source cited in the article, Bane's book, only references Nancy Connor's Everything Classical Mythology Book, and looking at (maybe the wrong edition?) of this book, the only mention [1] of "Leimakids" is unsourced. Furthermore, I can't find any mention of "Leimakids" in any modern scholarly source, including pretty exhaustive works such as the DGRBM, Brill's New Pauly, and Pauly-Wissowa. As far as I can tell, there were no such nymphs as the "Leimakids" in Greek mythology; they are probably an invention of some recent source (perhaps Connor). – Michael Aurel (talk) 05:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mythology-related deletion discussions. Michael Aurel (talk) 05:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Paganism-related deletion discussions. Michael Aurel (talk) 05:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I am seeing a small number of hits from decent sources on Google Scholar. There's a passing mention to leimoniad nymphs here (I think -- I can't access it). Leimakid nymphs, meanwhile, seem to be mentioned in Silvestre de Balboa's Mirror of patience, so are mentioned in this chapter. Certainly not enough to warrant an article, as far as I can see. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checking the Oxford Classical Dictionary, the first source you've linked, the relevant quote is (at least in the edition I'm looking at): other nymphs were named after geographical features, such as the Leimoniads, nymphs of meadows, or the Acheloids, nymphs of the river Acheloiis. So it seems the "Leimoniads" (but not the "Leimakids" from what I can tell) do indeed have some basis in antiquity, as the OCD is a reliable source, though I am a little surprised I couldn't find mention of them in other reference works; the OCD also doesn't make very clear what its source for them is. To add to the obscurity, I've found a copy of Rigoglioso, the source Bane cites for the Leimoniads, and its list of nymphs, in which are mentioned Leimonides (nymphs of flowery meadows), is cited to this page on the quite often unreliable website Theoi.com. – Michael Aurel (talk) 09:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My German is entirely dependent on Google Translate, and I did not go beyond the lead sentence, which seemed clear enough, but I believe the relevant article in PW is "Leimones". Quickly scanning through the text, I am not seeing any of the other forms mentioned here. But it looks as though we have variant forms of the same name, of which "Leimakids" may be modern(ish). Perhaps this article should be merged with other articles about nymphs, noting the various forms of the name. P Aculeius (talk) 10:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the reference to the nymph article, to which I suggest the current page should be redirected. But I haven't included the name Leimakid; if anyone else thinks there's a good scholarly source for that name, please do add it. (Are they perhaps just different languages' transliterations of the Greek? I've no idea -- I'm no classicist!) Josh Milburn (talk) 15:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I think you could be right that this is related, though it's a little hard to tell. The relevant section from Philostratus [2] does mention nymphs, so perhaps this was misconstrued into what we have here? Whatever the case, I'm inclined to say that, sort of along the lines of your suggestion, since we do have a reliable source for the Leimoniads, Leimoniads should be redirected to Nymph, and then Leimakid maybe should be redirected to Mirror of patience? – Michael Aurel (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leimakides are mentioned in that well-known classical text, the Orphic Argonautica (646). (LSJ entry). (archive.org has the book, but it's still not fully functional and the page won't load - for me at least).

This single reference hardly merits them having their own page. A note in the 'relations and notes' column for Leimonides on the Nymph page really seems like it should suffice. I have no opinion on whether Leimakid should point to Nymph or Mirror of Patience. Genuinely fascinated as to how Connor managed to find that reference, though. ~~ Endlesspumpkin (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Endlesspumpkin: Ah, the Orphic Argonautica – well spotted! I think this answers where these "Leimakids" come from. As the LSJ notes, λειμακίδες is the form which appears in David Ruhnken's edition, whereas Johann Gottfried Jakob Hermann has λιμναίων, and I notice Francis Vian (the most recent and reliable edition) follows manuscript Ω in having λιμνακίδων. Considering these forms, and Vian's translation (Nymphes des Marais), these seem to be marsh nymphs (perhaps an alternative spelling of "Limnad"?) who've here been muddled up with the Leimoniads. – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose we're technically into the realm of the verboten here – unless we can find some authority who has thought to comment upon this very specific matter – but your speculation seems entirely reasonable to me (perhaps you could shoot off a quick note to a journal, and in a couple of years we'll be able to cite it...). We could plonk them in their own row in the table, and in the notes column we can explain the source for both of these words and point the reader to the Limnad page for a 'similar' species. Were the Leimakids page not already here, it's the kind of thing I would rather pass over in silence – herding cats is both easier and more enjoyable that classifying nymphs. Endlesspumpkin (talk) 09:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Endlesspumpkin's solution sounds right to me. Josh Milburn (talk) 10:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I would only add that the name given by Vian should be the one used in the table, outside of the note. – Michael Aurel (talk) 04:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Everything else discussed is to do with what gets added to nymph (where Leimakids has already been removed, based on the above discussion, which, if not entirely clear, was that this page gets deleted).

On nymph page Limnakid(e)s (is there a standard for which get used? Some page titles are -es and others -s) get their own row in the table, as marsh nymphs, and we use the notes column to try and succinctly explain that they are only mentioned once in the OA, and that there are variations between different editions of the OA. We can point to Limnad as nymphs with similar names. I don't mind editing the nymph page; but I assume Michael Aurel has the sources to hand, so could almost certainly complete the citations faster. Endlesspumpkin (talk) 12:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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