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The Age of Innocence
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There was never getting away from their circumstances for Newland and Ellen, the protagonists of The Age of Innocence. As I weep for them and their unrequited love, I realized it was not meant to be. Edith Wharton depicts masterfully New York’s traditions and judgmental airs, which were from the start against them. This elite group within which they existed had very rigid rules of behavior, social rituals, fashion, and clear censures for those that violated them. There is a clear hypocrisy in their life that existed behind their conservative moral exterior.
As I started reading Edith Wharton’s crisp prose and witty dialogues, I got to know Newland Archer, May Welland and Ellen, Countess Olenska. What was inescapable from the outset is that they were a product of New York society of their time.
As Newland meets Countess Olenska, he is not prepared for her worldly persona. Thus it is that May and Newland make their engagement public right away, to ease the acceptance of Ellen into their social pack. May is considered the perfect model of what a young wife should be: young, beautiful, soft, obedient, pliant, conventional, and with no opinions on anything of importance. We would consider her boring, but those were different times.
Newland starts out pretty much the same; he's a young lawyer, used to his luxurious and idle style of living; all in accord with the strict rules of society. Yes, both are good persons with many amiable qualities, but they simply are not exceptional. They were clearly not in love, just following rituals that defined that a young man should marry a nice girl with a good family. ’There was no better match in New York than May Welland, look at the question from what point you choose. Of course such a marriage was only what Newland was entitled to…’
Newland and Ellen’s love story is nevertheless magnificent because it is the changes and character growth of both lovers that make it endearing and wonderful. When we first meet Newland Archer he could not have been more in tune with New York society’s status quo:
If Newland Archer seems indecisive and hesitant, it's in part because he is conflicted with his values and desires. He even starts defending new ideas, ”Women ought to be free – as free as we are” Nevertheless, it is easy to note how typical Newland Archer was when we first meet him, how judgmental, how hypocritical:
Could he have been more traditional? ’He hated to think of May Welland's being exposed to the influence of a young woman so careless of the dictates of Taste.’ Yes, in the beginning, he hated the idea of his innocent fiancé being contaminated by the worldly Countess.
Nevertheless, Newland's careful and predictable world is flipped completely upside down when he meets and really gets to know the intriguing and intrepid Countess Olenska. As the plot moves on, we discovered all is not as we first envisioned. Newland is changing as he falls deeper in love with Ellen. He soon starts to show signs of rebelling against his previous ideals, begins transforming himself. A conversation with Ellen’s grandmother and family matriarch is particularly revealing:
But his transformation is not fast or deep enough, he is not able to entirely free himself from the constraints imposed on him by society and his own upbringing. He is not courageous enough?, you might ask. ‘His whole future seemed suddenly to be unrolled before him; and passing down its endless emptiness he saw the dwindling figure of a man to whom nothing was ever to happen.’ But there is much more at play here. He soon realizes how restrictive his marriage was, how loveless and lonely his life would be:
And much more,
Even after understanding what his marriage would make of his life, he cannot escape.
He cannot break up from convention, although he dreams of going as far as Japan with Ellen:
Even if the story is told through Newland’s point of view, we cannot forget how much Ellen suffered. Probably even more than him, since it seems she had no choice:
We also soon discover that May is not so innocent. Although all her fight seems to be enforced to defend her marriage, its survival, and in that she would never change. What she learned with her mother she would repeat in her marriage 'Now she was simply ripening into a copy of her mother, and mysteriously, by the very process, trying to turn him into a Mr. Welland'. No, she was never weak just limited.
But Newland was still dreaming of breaking away from everything, of being with Ellen. He tells May he needs to get away, but she was ahead of him. Not an innocent at all:
What I concluded is that Newland might be rebellious while May is until the end tradition itself. This pattern we witness endlessly, and when Newland ponders what their marriage and family life had been like it is all summed so clearly:
For one thing, his life as a man allowed him more freedom even to circumvent social customs for he was not as closely watched. Not that it was easier for him, for he struggles between social conformity and honesty to one's emotions. And not that May would want to change. She was set on her role without any uncertainty.
And often we see him contradict himself. Despite his transformation, we realize he will always be a 19th century man, as we witness him saying things such as “What could he and she really know of each other, since it was his duty, as a "decent" fellow, to conceal his past from her, and hers, as a marriageable girl, to have no past to conceal?”, while later he will dream of running away with Ellen.
The essence of Edith Wharton’s novel is whether Newland and Ellen ever had a chance? Not at their time. And Ellen recognizes reality: ”Ah, my poor Newland – I suppose this had to be… You’re engaged to May Welland; and I’m married”. And Newland replied, “It’s too late to do anything else”. To apart mean a return to their old respective life patterns, but to be together would mean going against what they both loved the most in the other. I can't love you unless I give you up. Being together would mean breaking too many rules, hurting loved ones, and carrying a guilt that would ultimately separate them if not physically for certain emotionally.
This great work is a bittersweet love story at the mercy of society’s morals and ethics, with conflicting values that prevents them from realizing their most ardent desire to be together. I'd say this is the strong and beautiful point of this classic.
Even more heartfelt:
The characters are forced to adjust and readjust to their changing life, but that is still not enough. At least it was not in their lifetime. The changes they go through are not deep enough to allow them a happy ever after. How painful to live through this changing times; and how dreadful to accept their fate. I can just imagine and suffer for them, and weep for them. Here lies the greatness of The Age of Innocence.
Their fate was to be apart, and so nothing rests for them but to keep their memories intact. It's what we lost and our memories that stay with us. If he had gone up to meet her, it would be another story.
Oh, I have to repeat myself: there is nothing more heartbreaking than unrequited love. So I weep again for them.
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My first impressions:
I loved how it analyzed his marriage with May, the old costumes that are no more. That hypocritical society that held him down is finally fading. But too late for Ellen and Newland.
Well, it is all still too new to me, and the only thing I can say is that it touched me deeply. Maybe more because of my age, since I know enough of life and remember all that I lost and could never simply be revisited.
There is nothing more heartbreaking than unrequited love. So I weep for them.
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Lizzy's review
bookshelves: classics-literay-fiction, historical-fiction, usa, read-2016, stars-5, reading-with-vessey
Aug 17, 2016
bookshelves: classics-literay-fiction, historical-fiction, usa, read-2016, stars-5, reading-with-vessey
‘The longing was with him day and night, an incessant undefinable craving, like the sudden whim of a sick man for food or drink once tasted and long since forgotten. He could not see beyond the craving, or picture what it might lead to, for he was not conscious of any wish to speak to Madame Olenska or to hear her voice. He simply felt that if he could carry away the vision of the spot of earth she walked on, and the way the sky and sea enclosed it, the rest of the world might seem less empty.’
There was never getting away from their circumstances for Newland and Ellen, the protagonists of The Age of Innocence. As I weep for them and their unrequited love, I realized it was not meant to be. Edith Wharton depicts masterfully New York’s traditions and judgmental airs, which were from the start against them. This elite group within which they existed had very rigid rules of behavior, social rituals, fashion, and clear censures for those that violated them. There is a clear hypocrisy in their life that existed behind their conservative moral exterior.
"In reality they all lived in a kind of hieroglyphic world, where the real thing was never said or done or even thought, but only represented by a set of arbitrary signs."
As I started reading Edith Wharton’s crisp prose and witty dialogues, I got to know Newland Archer, May Welland and Ellen, Countess Olenska. What was inescapable from the outset is that they were a product of New York society of their time.
As Newland meets Countess Olenska, he is not prepared for her worldly persona. Thus it is that May and Newland make their engagement public right away, to ease the acceptance of Ellen into their social pack. May is considered the perfect model of what a young wife should be: young, beautiful, soft, obedient, pliant, conventional, and with no opinions on anything of importance. We would consider her boring, but those were different times.
Newland starts out pretty much the same; he's a young lawyer, used to his luxurious and idle style of living; all in accord with the strict rules of society. Yes, both are good persons with many amiable qualities, but they simply are not exceptional. They were clearly not in love, just following rituals that defined that a young man should marry a nice girl with a good family. ’There was no better match in New York than May Welland, look at the question from what point you choose. Of course such a marriage was only what Newland was entitled to…’
Newland and Ellen’s love story is nevertheless magnificent because it is the changes and character growth of both lovers that make it endearing and wonderful. When we first meet Newland Archer he could not have been more in tune with New York society’s status quo:
But Newland Archer was too imaginative not to feel that, in his case and May's, the tie might gall for reasons far less gross and palpable. What could he and she really know of each other, since it was his duty, as a "decent" fellow, to conceal his past from her, and hers, as a marriageable girl, to have no past to conceal?
If Newland Archer seems indecisive and hesitant, it's in part because he is conflicted with his values and desires. He even starts defending new ideas, ”Women ought to be free – as free as we are” Nevertheless, it is easy to note how typical Newland Archer was when we first meet him, how judgmental, how hypocritical:
There was nothing mean or ungenerous in the young man’s heart, and he was glad that his future wife should be restrained by false prudery from being kind (in private) to her unhappy cousin; but to receive Countess Olenska in the family circle was a different thing from producing her in public, at the Opera of all places, and in the very box with the young girl whose engagement to him, Newland Archer, was to be announced in a few weeks. No, he felt as old Sillerton Jackson felt; he did not think the Mingotts would have tried it on!
Could he have been more traditional? ’He hated to think of May Welland's being exposed to the influence of a young woman so careless of the dictates of Taste.’ Yes, in the beginning, he hated the idea of his innocent fiancé being contaminated by the worldly Countess.
Nevertheless, Newland's careful and predictable world is flipped completely upside down when he meets and really gets to know the intriguing and intrepid Countess Olenska. As the plot moves on, we discovered all is not as we first envisioned. Newland is changing as he falls deeper in love with Ellen. He soon starts to show signs of rebelling against his previous ideals, begins transforming himself. A conversation with Ellen’s grandmother and family matriarch is particularly revealing:
"Poor Ellen—she was always a wayward child. I wonder what her fate will be?"
"What we've all contrived to make it," he felt like answering. "If you'd all of you rather she should be Beaufort's mistress than some decent fellow's wife you've certainly gone the right way about it."
But his transformation is not fast or deep enough, he is not able to entirely free himself from the constraints imposed on him by society and his own upbringing. He is not courageous enough?, you might ask. ‘His whole future seemed suddenly to be unrolled before him; and passing down its endless emptiness he saw the dwindling figure of a man to whom nothing was ever to happen.’ But there is much more at play here. He soon realizes how restrictive his marriage was, how loveless and lonely his life would be:
’There was no use in trying to emancipate a wife who had not the dimmest notion that she was not free; and he had long since discovered that May's only use of the liberty she supposed herself to possess would be to lay it on the altar of her wifely adoration.’
And much more,
’He perceived with a flash of chilling insight that in the future many problems would be thus negatively solved for him; nut as he paid the hansom and followed his wife …he took refuge in the comforting platitude that the first six months were always the most difficult in marriage. "After that I suppose we shall have pretty nearly finished rubbing off each other's angles," he reflected; but the worst of it was that May's pressure was already bearing on the very angles whose sharpness he most wanted to keep.’
Even after understanding what his marriage would make of his life, he cannot escape.
"Outside it, in the scene of his actual life, he moved with a growing sense of unreality and insufficiency, blundering against familiar prejudices and traditional points of view as an absent-minded man goes on bumping into the furniture of his own room. Absent—that was what he was: so absent from everything most densely real and near to those about him that it sometimes startled him to find they still imagined he was there."
He cannot break up from convention, although he dreams of going as far as Japan with Ellen:
"Archer had fancied that his path was clear before him. He had meant to have a word alone with Madame Olenska, and failing that, to learn from her grandmother on what day, and by which train, she was returning to Washington. In that train he intended to join her, and travel with her to Washington, or as much farther as she was willing to go. His own fancy inclined to Japan."
Even if the story is told through Newland’s point of view, we cannot forget how much Ellen suffered. Probably even more than him, since it seems she had no choice:
"Oh, I know—I know! But on condition that they don't hear anything unpleasant. Aunt Welland put it in those very words when I tried.... Does no one want to know the truth here, Mr. Archer? The real loneliness is living among all these kind people who only ask one to pretend!" She lifted her hands to her face, and he saw her thin shoulders shaken by a sob.
We also soon discover that May is not so innocent. Although all her fight seems to be enforced to defend her marriage, its survival, and in that she would never change. What she learned with her mother she would repeat in her marriage 'Now she was simply ripening into a copy of her mother, and mysteriously, by the very process, trying to turn him into a Mr. Welland'. No, she was never weak just limited.
"I told her I was afraid I hadn't been fair to her—hadn't always understood how hard it must have been for her here, alone among so many people who were relations and yet strangers; who felt the right to criticise, and yet didn't always know the circumstances." She paused. "I knew you'd been the one friend she could always count on; and I wanted her to know that you and I were the same—in all our feelings."
But Newland was still dreaming of breaking away from everything, of being with Ellen. He tells May he needs to get away, but she was ahead of him. Not an innocent at all:
”I want to take a break–“
“A break? To give up law?”
“To go away, at any rate – at once. On a long trip, ever so far off – away from everything–“
He paused, conscious that he had failed in his attempt to speak with the indifference of a man who longs for a change and is yet too weary to welcome it. Do what he would, the chord of eagerness vibrated. “Away from everything – “he repeated.
“Ever so far? Where, for instance?” she asked.
“Oh, I don’t know. India – or Japan.”
“As far as that? But I’m afraid you can’t, dear … Not unless you take me with you. …That is, if the doctors let me go …but I’m afraid they won’t. For you see, Newland, I’ve been sure since this morning of something I’ve been longing and hoping for–“
“Have you told anyone else?”
“Only Mama and your mother. …That is – and Ellen. You know I told you we’d had a long talk one afternoon – and how dear she was to me.”
“Ah–“ said Archer, his heart stopping.
What I concluded is that Newland might be rebellious while May is until the end tradition itself. This pattern we witness endlessly, and when Newland ponders what their marriage and family life had been like it is all summed so clearly:
‘This hard bright blindness had kept her immediate horizon apparently unaltered. Her incapacity to recognize change made her children conceal their views from her as Archer concealed his; there had been, from the first, a joint pretense of sameness, a kind of innocent family hypocrisy, in which father and children had unconsciously collaborated.’
For one thing, his life as a man allowed him more freedom even to circumvent social customs for he was not as closely watched. Not that it was easier for him, for he struggles between social conformity and honesty to one's emotions. And not that May would want to change. She was set on her role without any uncertainty.
And often we see him contradict himself. Despite his transformation, we realize he will always be a 19th century man, as we witness him saying things such as “What could he and she really know of each other, since it was his duty, as a "decent" fellow, to conceal his past from her, and hers, as a marriageable girl, to have no past to conceal?”, while later he will dream of running away with Ellen.
The essence of Edith Wharton’s novel is whether Newland and Ellen ever had a chance? Not at their time. And Ellen recognizes reality: ”Ah, my poor Newland – I suppose this had to be… You’re engaged to May Welland; and I’m married”. And Newland replied, “It’s too late to do anything else”. To apart mean a return to their old respective life patterns, but to be together would mean going against what they both loved the most in the other. I can't love you unless I give you up. Being together would mean breaking too many rules, hurting loved ones, and carrying a guilt that would ultimately separate them if not physically for certain emotionally.
"But you knew; you understood; you had felt the world outside tugging at one with all its golden hands—and yet you hated the things it asks of one; you hated happiness bought by disloyalty and cruelty and indifference. That was what I'd never known before—and it's better than anything I've known."
This great work is a bittersweet love story at the mercy of society’s morals and ethics, with conflicting values that prevents them from realizing their most ardent desire to be together. I'd say this is the strong and beautiful point of this classic.
The idea that he could ever, in his senses, have dreamed of marrying Countess Olenska had become almost unthinkable, and she remained in his memory simply as the most plaintive and poignant of a line of ghosts.
Even more heartfelt:
The long was with him day and night, an incessant undeniable craving, like the sudden whim of a sick man for food or drink once tasted and long since forgotten.
The characters are forced to adjust and readjust to their changing life, but that is still not enough. At least it was not in their lifetime. The changes they go through are not deep enough to allow them a happy ever after. How painful to live through this changing times; and how dreadful to accept their fate. I can just imagine and suffer for them, and weep for them. Here lies the greatness of The Age of Innocence.
Their fate was to be apart, and so nothing rests for them but to keep their memories intact. It's what we lost and our memories that stay with us. If he had gone up to meet her, it would be another story.
’"It's more real to me here than if I went up," he suddenly heard himself say; and the fear lest that last shadow of reality should lose its edge kept him rooted to his seat as the minutes succeeded each other.’
Oh, I have to repeat myself: there is nothing more heartbreaking than unrequited love. So I weep again for them.
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My first impressions:
“I can't love you unless I give you up.”Oh, Vessey, I just finished The Age of Innocence! And I have to tell you that the last 10% conquered me. It made it me think that it had to be. They were set on their way before Ellen arrived and Newland and Amy made public their engagement. And I believe it had to end as it did. Suddenly, I discovered it deserved 5 full stars. It's what we lost and our memories that stay with us. If he had gone up to meet her, it would be another story.
I loved how it analyzed his marriage with May, the old costumes that are no more. That hypocritical society that held him down is finally fading. But too late for Ellen and Newland.
Well, it is all still too new to me, and the only thing I can say is that it touched me deeply. Maybe more because of my age, since I know enough of life and remember all that I lost and could never simply be revisited.
"It's more real to me here than if I went up," he suddenly heard himself say; and the fear lest that last shadow of reality should lose its edge kept him rooted to his seat as the minutes succeeded each other.
There is nothing more heartbreaking than unrequited love. So I weep for them.
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"Few things seemed to Newland Archer more awful than an offence against "Taste,"... Madame Olenska's pale and serious face appealed to his fancy as suited to the occasion and to her unhappy situation; but the way her dress sloped away from her thin shoulders shocked and troubled him. He hated to think of May Welland's being exposed to the influence of a young woman so careless of the dictates of Taste."
October 21, 2016
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"Nothing about his betrothed pleased him more than her resolute determination to carry to its utmost limit that ritual of ignoring the "unpleasant" in which they had both been brought up.
"She knows as well as I do," he reflected, "the real reason of her cousin's staying away; but I shall never let her see by the least sign that I am conscious of there being a shadow of a shade on poor Ellen Olenska's reputation.""
"She knows as well as I do," he reflected, "the real reason of her cousin's staying away; but I shall never let her see by the least sign that I am conscious of there being a shadow of a shade on poor Ellen Olenska's reputation.""
October 22, 2016
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"That terrifying product of the social system he belonged to and believed in, the young girl who knew nothing and expected everything, looked back at him like a stranger through May Welland's familiar features; and once more it was borne in on him that marriage was not the safe anchorage he had been taught to think, but a voyage on uncharted seas."
October 22, 2016
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"But Newland Archer was too imaginative not to feel that, in his case and May's, the tie might gall for reasons far less gross and palpable. What could he and she really know of each other, since it was his duty, as a "decent" fellow, to conceal his past from her, and hers, as a marriageable girl, to have no past to conceal?"
October 22, 2016
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""Oh, I know—I know! But on condition that they don't hear anything unpleasant. Aunt Welland put it in those very words when I tried.... Does no one want to know the truth here, Mr. Archer? The real loneliness is living among all these kind people who only ask one to pretend!""
October 22, 2016
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"He remembered what she had told him of Mrs. Welland's request to be spared whatever was "unpleasant" in her history, and winced at the thought that it was perhaps this attitude of mind which kept the New York air so pure. "Are we only Pharisees after all?" he wondered, puzzled by the effort to reconcile his instinctive disgust at human vileness with his equally instinctive pity for human frailty."
October 22, 2016
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"The taste of the usual was like cinders in his mouth, and there were moments when he felt as if he were being buried alive under his future."
October 22, 2016
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"Poor Ellen—she was always a wayward child. I wonder what her fate will be?"
"What we've all contrived to make it," he felt like answering. "If you'd all of you rather she should be Beaufort's mistress than some decent fellow's wife you've certainly gone the right way about it.""
"What we've all contrived to make it," he felt like answering. "If you'd all of you rather she should be Beaufort's mistress than some decent fellow's wife you've certainly gone the right way about it.""
October 22, 2016
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""...But you knew; you understood; you had felt the world outside tugging at one with all its golden hands—and yet you hated the things it asks of one; you hated happiness bought by disloyalty and cruelty and indifference. That was what I'd never known before—and it's better than anything I've known.""
October 22, 2016
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"There was no use in trying to emancipate a wife who had not the dimmest notion that she was not free; and he had long since discovered that May's only use of the liberty she supposed herself to possess would be to lay it on the altar of her wifely adoration."
October 23, 2016
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"...in future many problems would be thus negatively solved for him; ...he took refuge in the comforting platitude that the first six months were always the most difficult in marriage. "After that I suppose we shall have pretty nearly finished rubbing off each other's angles," he reflected; but the worst of it was that May's pressure was already bearing on the very angles whose sharpness he most wanted to keep."
October 23, 2016
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"Archer was dealing hurriedly with crowding thoughts. His whole future seemed suddenly to be unrolled before him; and passing down its endless emptiness he saw the dwindling figure of a man to whom nothing was ever to happen."
October 23, 2016
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"Archer sat staring beneath frowning brows. He interrupted her with a laugh. "And what do you make out that you've made of me?"
She paled a little. "Of you?"
"Yes: for I'm of your making much more than you ever were of mine. I'm the man who married one woman because another one told him to.""
She paled a little. "Of you?"
"Yes: for I'm of your making much more than you ever were of mine. I'm the man who married one woman because another one told him to.""
October 23, 2016
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"Outside it,in the scene of his actual life,he moved with a growing sense of unreality and insufficiency,blundering against familiar prejudices and traditional points of view as an absent-minded man goes on bumping into the furniture of his own room.Absent—that was what he was:so absent from everything most densely real and near to those about him that it sometimes startled him to find they still imagined he was there"
October 23, 2016
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"The mere fact of not looking at May, seated beside his table, of getting the sense of other lives outside his own..
After he had leaned out into the darkness for a few minutes he heard her say:"Newland! Do shut the window. You'll catch your death."
He pulled the sash down and turned back."Catch my death!" he echoed; and he felt like adding: "But I've caught it already. I AM dead—I've been dead for months and months.""
After he had leaned out into the darkness for a few minutes he heard her say:"Newland! Do shut the window. You'll catch your death."
He pulled the sash down and turned back."Catch my death!" he echoed; and he felt like adding: "But I've caught it already. I AM dead—I've been dead for months and months.""
October 24, 2016
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"Archer had fancied that his path was clear before him. He had meant to have a word alone with Madame Olenska, and failing that, to learn from her grandmother on what day, and by which train, she was returning to Washington. In that train he intended to join her, and travel with her to Washington, or as much farther as she was willing to go. His own fancy inclined to Japan..."
October 24, 2016
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""I [May] told her I was afraid I hadn't been fair to her—hadn't always understood how hard it must have been for her here, alone among so many people who were relations and yet strangers; who felt the right to criticise, and yet didn't always know the circumstances." She paused. "I knew you'd been the one friend she could always count on; and I wanted her to know that you and I were the same—in all our feelings.""
October 24, 2016
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"All these amiable and inexorable persons were resolutely engaged in pretending to each other that they had never heard of,suspected,or even conceived possible; and from this tissue of elaborate mutual dissimulation Archer once more disengaged the fact that New York believed him to be Madame Olenska's lover.He caught the glitter of victory in his wife's eyes,and for the first time understood that she shared the belief"
October 24, 2016
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"This hard bright blindness had kept her immediate horizon apparently unaltered. Her incapacity to recognise change made her children conceal their views from her as Archer concealed his; there had been, from the first, a joint pretence of sameness, a kind of innocent family hypocrisy, in which father and children had unconsciously collaborated."
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""It's more real to me here than if I went up," he suddenly heard himself say; and the fear lest that last shadow of reality should lose its edge kept him rooted to his seat as the minutes succeeded each other."
October 24, 2016
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Love all the quotes you've highlighted. Many of them are my favorites as well.
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Michele wrote: "Love all the quotes you've highlighted. Many of them are my favorites as well."
Thanks Michele. I just posted a preliminary review. L.
Thanks Michele. I just posted a preliminary review. L.
Amalia wrote: "Beautiful, beautiful words, Lizzie!"
Thanks so much, Amalia. This were just how I felt when I closed the last page. L.
Thanks so much, Amalia. This were just how I felt when I closed the last page. L.
Oh Lizzy, I wept for them too. Your brief review eloquently touched the pulse of this beautifully sad story.
Laysee wrote: "Oh Lizzy, I wept for them too. Your brief review eloquently touched the pulse of this beautifully sad story."
I was indeed still on the grasp of emotion when I wrote this message to Vessey, Laysee. Thanks. L.
I was indeed still on the grasp of emotion when I wrote this message to Vessey, Laysee. Thanks. L.
Jean-Paul wrote: "Looking forward to your full review Lizzy. jp"
Seemita wrote: "Looking forward to it, Lizzy!"
Jean-Paul and Seemita, I am already working it out what I want to say. Just a few days more... Thanks for the interest. L.
Seemita wrote: "Looking forward to it, Lizzy!"
Jean-Paul and Seemita, I am already working it out what I want to say. Just a few days more... Thanks for the interest. L.
“I can't love you unless I give you up.” ...sounds worse than being friendzoned by your first great love.
Dimitri wrote: "“I can't love you unless I give you up.” ...sounds worse than being friendzoned by your first great love."
In a sense it is, Dimitri, but in their situation it was all they could do. Wait for my full review, please, I hope then I can explain myself. L.
In a sense it is, Dimitri, but in their situation it was all they could do. Wait for my full review, please, I hope then I can explain myself. L.
Dear friends,
I just posted my definite review. Sorry, but it seems to have escaped me and ended up too long. I hope for your feedbacks and criticisms for it is far from perfect. It seems I have suddenly lost all my cravenness and posted it regardless of my own doubts about it.
This is for Vessey, who helped me during our second buddy-reading together. I wouldn't be able to do it without your contribution, dear friend. I truly loved all the messages we exchanged. Let's do it again. Thanks. L.
I just posted my definite review. Sorry, but it seems to have escaped me and ended up too long. I hope for your feedbacks and criticisms for it is far from perfect. It seems I have suddenly lost all my cravenness and posted it regardless of my own doubts about it.
This is for Vessey, who helped me during our second buddy-reading together. I wouldn't be able to do it without your contribution, dear friend. I truly loved all the messages we exchanged. Let's do it again. Thanks. L.
Amalia wrote: "Lizzie, your review is a work of art. While I was reading it, I was reminded of all the feelings that Edith Wharton's masterpece evokes. One of the finest reviews I've ever read, bravo!"
Thanks for your nice words, Amalia! I am very glad you enjoyed it. L.
Thanks for your nice words, Amalia! I am very glad you enjoyed it. L.
I've been watching you progress through this, and was awaitin a review. It FAR more than met my expectations!
adrian (a slew of snicket) wrote: "I've been watching you progress through this, and was awaitin a review. It FAR more than met my expectations!"
You, Adrian, just made my day! Thanks, L.
You, Adrian, just made my day! Thanks, L.
Forbidden love at variance with society is hardly a new topic, but I was very impressed with the way Edith Wharton had presented it. I think we all need someone to hold on to, but then we remember that we can never fully and completely belong to ourselves. I still think that their situation wasn’t hopeless, that they should have tried harder, yet, I cannot not admire them for daring to think differently, to love each other with passion that was unfamiliar to and incomprehensive for their surroundings. Just as at first I said that I couldn’t sympathize with them, because I was so disappointed with their refusal to fight, now I cannot NOT sympathize with them and feel for them. It was one of the most beautiful and powerful love stories I had come across. Of course, it was much more than just a love story. I am very happy that your review is the first for this book I come across. It is incredible, just as I expected. Your reviews are always so heartfelt and so inspirational. I was very glad and honoured to read this along with you. Thank you, my friend. :)
Every man should have a chance to fall in love with Countess Olenska. Since I've seen the movie I now, of course, think of her as Michelle Pffeiffer. Which ties in an old school boy crush I had on the actress many moons ago. This is a tragedy and so skillfully spun by the amazing matching of pen and mind as Wharton creates these characters from the people she knew. She knows about love gone wrong. She loved, she lost, she pined, she raged against the fates as they denied her what she wanted most. I thought her depiction of Newland who still, despite not marrying the love of his life, had a good life. I think this reflects the fate of most people. Few marry their soul mate and stay with them for the rest of their life. Still one must muddle on and live regardless.
Wonderful, wonderful review that brought back many fond memories for me from my own reading experience of this book. I've become over the years a huge Wharton fan.
Wonderful, wonderful review that brought back many fond memories for me from my own reading experience of this book. I've become over the years a huge Wharton fan.
Vessey wrote: "Forbidden love at variance with society is hardly a new topic, but I was very impressed with the way Edith Wharton had presented it. I think we all need someone to hold on to, but then we remember ..."
I totally agree with you, dear Vessey, that we need someone to hold to. What would we be if all was solitude? Men and women were not made to live by themselves. You seem to be an optimistic and value Newland and Ellen for daring to dream. I always value the capacity to dream. Newland wanted to go away with Ellen, as far as Japan. What a beautiful dream! But could they really dare and oppose all convention to be together? Here I find we differ, I think the weight of such a decision and its negative consequences would end up destroying them. They would hurt many and I imagine the guilt would end up consuming them. Probably in this I agree with Jeffrey, don't you think? But that is me. You see hope where I see risk. We do not know how Ellen lived her life, but Newland was content if not happy, had a great family. No doubt you are a romantic, but that is never something to be ashamed or to be given up. We are who we are. Vive la différence! Maybe having lived more and certainly suffering more my views are different from yours.
I loved reading The Age of Innocence with you, the messages we exchange helped me comprehend my feelings and certainly were crucial for my review. Thanks for being there and for all that you are, dear friend. L.
I totally agree with you, dear Vessey, that we need someone to hold to. What would we be if all was solitude? Men and women were not made to live by themselves. You seem to be an optimistic and value Newland and Ellen for daring to dream. I always value the capacity to dream. Newland wanted to go away with Ellen, as far as Japan. What a beautiful dream! But could they really dare and oppose all convention to be together? Here I find we differ, I think the weight of such a decision and its negative consequences would end up destroying them. They would hurt many and I imagine the guilt would end up consuming them. Probably in this I agree with Jeffrey, don't you think? But that is me. You see hope where I see risk. We do not know how Ellen lived her life, but Newland was content if not happy, had a great family. No doubt you are a romantic, but that is never something to be ashamed or to be given up. We are who we are. Vive la différence! Maybe having lived more and certainly suffering more my views are different from yours.
I loved reading The Age of Innocence with you, the messages we exchange helped me comprehend my feelings and certainly were crucial for my review. Thanks for being there and for all that you are, dear friend. L.
Jeffrey wrote: "Every man should have a chance to fall in love with Countess Olenska. Since I've seen the movie I now, of course, think of her as Michelle Pffeiffer. Which ties in an old school boy crush I had on ..."
I don’t know about your dream of falling in love with Countess Olenska or Michelle Pffeiffer, dear Jeffrey. I can only say it seems a great dream to occupy rainy and lazy afternoons. I prefer Newland or Daniel Day-Lewis, yes what a dream! Can you believe that this was the first Wharton novel I read? From just this one I have to agree with you that she knows about love gone wrong. They never had a chance, don't you agree with me? In that her novel reminds me of Henry James. But at least Newland was not unhappy with his almost perfect family. You are right, few marry their soul mates, and even if they do happiness is not a guarantee. What do you think happened to Ellen, do you think she lived her life alone? But that is another story. So, let’s keep muddling through life the best we can.
I am very happy that you enjoyed my review. I am always insecure about what I write, but at least now I am conquering my cravenness. You know how I value your opinion and you definitely helped me in that, dear Jeffrey. Thanks. L.
I don’t know about your dream of falling in love with Countess Olenska or Michelle Pffeiffer, dear Jeffrey. I can only say it seems a great dream to occupy rainy and lazy afternoons. I prefer Newland or Daniel Day-Lewis, yes what a dream! Can you believe that this was the first Wharton novel I read? From just this one I have to agree with you that she knows about love gone wrong. They never had a chance, don't you agree with me? In that her novel reminds me of Henry James. But at least Newland was not unhappy with his almost perfect family. You are right, few marry their soul mates, and even if they do happiness is not a guarantee. What do you think happened to Ellen, do you think she lived her life alone? But that is another story. So, let’s keep muddling through life the best we can.
I am very happy that you enjoyed my review. I am always insecure about what I write, but at least now I am conquering my cravenness. You know how I value your opinion and you definitely helped me in that, dear Jeffrey. Thanks. L.
Jean-Paul wrote: "What an exquisite and sumptuous review, Lizzy! A veritable ode to unrequited love. The tenderness and intuition of your musings make it a deeply affecting reading experience! jp"
I am so glad you enjoyed it, Jean-Paul. I really felt for Wharton's pair of protagonists, however I sensed from the beginning (despite having watched and loved the movie) that their fate was not one. Thanks for your kind words, they are heartily appreciated. L.
I am so glad you enjoyed it, Jean-Paul. I really felt for Wharton's pair of protagonists, however I sensed from the beginning (despite having watched and loved the movie) that their fate was not one. Thanks for your kind words, they are heartily appreciated. L.
What a powerful ode to one of my favorite novels. You are hitting home-runs with every review. This novel has some of most perfectly written characters I have written across. I think they didn't try hard enough but, I agree with you that it would have been useless anyway. A perfect analysis of Newland's character. Thanks.
Sidharth wrote: "What a powerful ode to one of my favorite novels. You are hitting home-runs with every review. This novel has some of most perfectly written characters I have written across. I think they didn't tr..."
You're too kind, dear Sidharth! Thanks. Could Newland and Ellen have tried harder? Sure, however I believe the stakes were against them from the start. Even if they ended together, I doubt they had real chances of happiness. You and Vessey seem to be on the same page here. Oh, it's great that we disagree but still love as much Wharton's novel. L.
You're too kind, dear Sidharth! Thanks. Could Newland and Ellen have tried harder? Sure, however I believe the stakes were against them from the start. Even if they ended together, I doubt they had real chances of happiness. You and Vessey seem to be on the same page here. Oh, it's great that we disagree but still love as much Wharton's novel. L.
Great review, Lizzy. Love that you love this book. You must see the film with Daniel Day-Lewis and Michelle Pfeiffer.
B the BookAddict wrote: "Great review, Lizzy. Love that you love this book. You must see the film with Daniel Day-Lewis and Michelle Pfeiffer."
I am glad you enjoyed it. I watched the movie and loved it but now would like to see it again. Thanks. L.
I am glad you enjoyed it. I watched the movie and loved it but now would like to see it again. Thanks. L.
Incredible review. I am eager to read this which has been on my list for a long time. We are reading it in a book group this year.
Deyanne wrote: "Incredible review. I am eager to read this which has been on my list for a long time. We are reading it in a book group this year."
Thanks so much, Deyanne. Great that you will soon be reading it, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. L.
Thanks so much, Deyanne. Great that you will soon be reading it, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. L.
Great review, Lizzy! I have to read this.
Lizzy,
This is a positively masterful review. I commend you so sincerely not only for your insights but for you willingness to take the time to record your thoughts so professionally. This book of all we have read in a small book group (reading Pulitzers this year) elicited the most enlightened discussion. We kept bantering ideas and quotes.
We left our meeting with many of the same conclusions that you discussed. However, you are more compassionate than some of us.
Newland never succeeded in totally winning many of us over (although he genuinely suffered) and Mary was a schemer in our eyes. We felt that Ellen is the character who most had our sympathies. We spent some time discussing the ending. Masterful. Thanks again for your compassionate insights on a truly classic piece of literature.
This is a positively masterful review. I commend you so sincerely not only for your insights but for you willingness to take the time to record your thoughts so professionally. This book of all we have read in a small book group (reading Pulitzers this year) elicited the most enlightened discussion. We kept bantering ideas and quotes.
We left our meeting with many of the same conclusions that you discussed. However, you are more compassionate than some of us.
Newland never succeeded in totally winning many of us over (although he genuinely suffered) and Mary was a schemer in our eyes. We felt that Ellen is the character who most had our sympathies. We spent some time discussing the ending. Masterful. Thanks again for your compassionate insights on a truly classic piece of literature.
Deyanne wrote: "Lizzy,
This is a positively masterful review. I commend you so sincerely not only for your insights but for you willingness to take the time to record your thoughts so professionally. This book of..."
Thanks so much for your kind words, Deyanne. Isn't it great to read a book such as this in the company of friends that enjoy reading as much as we do? I read this with my friend Vessey and it was already a fantastic experience. I don't know if I was in fact more compassionate with Wharton's suffering characters, just that I wrote what I felt. Although I agree with your comments about them and their failings. But that is above all what it means to be human. And thanks for reminding me of the pleasure of reading works like this. L.
This is a positively masterful review. I commend you so sincerely not only for your insights but for you willingness to take the time to record your thoughts so professionally. This book of..."
Thanks so much for your kind words, Deyanne. Isn't it great to read a book such as this in the company of friends that enjoy reading as much as we do? I read this with my friend Vessey and it was already a fantastic experience. I don't know if I was in fact more compassionate with Wharton's suffering characters, just that I wrote what I felt. Although I agree with your comments about them and their failings. But that is above all what it means to be human. And thanks for reminding me of the pleasure of reading works like this. L.
Sketchbook wrote: "Splendid review of a great book. (Unrequited love can be the hottest!)"
Thanks so much, Sketchbook! I'm glad you enjoyed it. L.
Thanks so much, Sketchbook! I'm glad you enjoyed it. L.