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Thornhedge by T. Kingfisher
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I came because of a story.

Minds are easily enchanted by tales of heroic journeys with the promise of a beautiful maiden in need of rescuing. It’s a staple of fairy tales and also a point that has inspired many retellings with gender-bent twists or heroic heroines who don’t need saving. All of which might have us considering what the romanticization of tales like this suggest are social values and what constitutes as heroic. Thornhedge, the latest novella from T. Kingfisher in Tor’s recent line-up of her works (though, according to the author’s note, the first manuscript she submitted), probes such questions through her loose retelling of the Sleeping Beauty tale. It is a quiet, sweet story, if a little sauceless at times, where we find the fairy who has cursed a young maiden to a lengthy sleep is not evil at all. Toadling ‘had lived with dread for 200 years’ standing sentry outside the tower where the young princess rests, though when a knight comes ‘because of a story’ seeking some sort of adventure or at least to know if it is true, the truth behind the myth comes out for why she would prefer he did not continue his quest. While this is admittedly fun with a lot going for it—especially Toadling who is so endearing—it simultaneously feels like it doesn’t lean into it’s own retelling enough while also relying to much on it as the bones to hold the whole structure up. Sweet and imaginative, though perhaps needing more nuance and room to breathe to allow the long history of events stretch their narrative legs a bit, Thornhedge is still an interesting look at how stories can twist to romanticize a tale at the expense of the truth.

There seems to be a recipe for romantic knight’s quests and rescue missions, usually involving a “fair maiden” who has been captured away by some great evil. A dragon perhaps, or an evil sorceress, and it seems almost a given in these tales that the princess is beautiful and the sorceress…lacking in beauty. Enter Toadling, sweet, shy, lovable Toadling, who we are told many times she is not beautiful (the knight tells her as much, but does say she is interesting which is either a condolence or perhaps more valuable anyways), and she is watching a tower where sleeps a princess. Who is trapped for a fairly valid reason. I won’t give away the plot but its pretty fun and sets up what could have been a really interesting look at how the Sleeping Beauty tale is merely a misunderstanding of what happened but instead becomes almost overly good and evil flipped on its head.

Anyways, regardless, knowing the recipe for knight quests, this story doesn’t seem to fit and gossip has a way of trying to make the events much sexier and we learn “the truth” which is then juxtaposed with the stories around these events that are circulating 200 years later. Unsurprisingly, what we hear is a very romanticized version (a retelling of its own, I suppose) that leans into the rather masculine “knight saves the day to win the princess.” Or, as David Foster Wallace discusses in his essay Back into the New Fire (in an essay that is a bit problematic but we are going to use this for a different purpose so that's a discussion for another time), ‘the way the story always goes, good Sir Knight risks life and lance against the dragon not to “rescue” the good-looking virgin, but to “win” her. And any knight, from any era, can tell you what “win” means here.’ Which is a huge bummer for Toadling because she’s become a villain and the real villain is now the sought after “prize.” Nevermind the fact that, while being an ancient evil, she is in human form forever asleep as an 8 year old girl. Which, perhaps is part of the subversiveness of how the romanticization of the story is sexualizing an 8 year old girl for knights to “win,” but either way Kingfisher is directing us to how pretty gross the whole idea of a knight “winning” a captive princess is.

I mostly came for answers,’ our knight tells Toadling, ‘or maybe just the story.’ Unlike most knights, this one is more interested in winning a story and seemingly not a beautiful princess, though I’m sure it has crossed his mind. Kingfisher plays with some expectations here as well, making him a Muslim knight and also describing him as not particularly attractive as well. Though this does touch on how it is sort of unclear when this story is supposed to take place or if it is actually our Earth or a fantasy world with most of the same elements and general vibes. I mean, I do enjoy that we are going for an inclusive story but Toadling was just describing people waving crusades banners and now monks are just hanging with the Muslim knight talking about god like everything is just cool? It seemed a missed opportunity to discuss the religious violence or at least find a way to frame the story in history. Which I guess we are supposed to brush aside for the sake of the story, but at least the world building for the world of fairies is rather lovely and I especially enjoy the way time works in this book with decades passing in the fairy realm being only a few days in the human one. Anyways, an interesting dynamic is that the knight has to confront the version of the story he has heard with the existence and warnings of Toadling, who is pretty charming in her quirky shyness (poor fairy girl has been in solitude for centuries, so you’ll forgive her awkwardness) but doesn’t really fit the bill for a heroic knights quest. His stubbornness in thinking he can lift a non-existent curse on her (does he think she’ll turn beautiful?) makes for some rather cute and charming scenes.

But for all the sweetness, the atmosphere is rather lacking. I found Kingfisher’s What Moves the Dead to be an unsettling delight, particularly for the way it felt electrifying in the tense tone and eerie atmosphere. Toadling is great and quiet, but the story is almost too quiet and soft as well, seeming like the whole thing is far removed in soft flashbacks bathed in a sepia tone with little contrast to emphasize the sinister shadows and thorns of the story. Not that there aren’t some great scenes, but it all feels a bit unhurried in a telling that is also too truncated for the scenes to really land. I think Marquise explains all this much more efficiently in her review, but the elements of Fayette simply being a pure evil being felt too much like a shortcut past what could have been a tension building exploration of childhood cruelty giving way to unbearable darkness. The novel decides this is just an evil child beyond redemption and that’s that—the nature of who she is supposed to be and all the changeling lore is pretty cool, granted, but it all happens too quickly to really give you much to grip onto even with one pretty dramatic and violent scene.

I did, however, really enjoy the way the magic mixes with the world and the kingdom falling into a state of disrepair as ‘the people bled away drop by drop and nobody tried to staunch the flow.’ You do feel Toadling’s sadness and longing quite strongly, and I found her to be such a well constructed and lovable character you really do root for.

Despite some aspects that didn’t quite work for me, i would still encourage you to read Thronhedge as it is quite a fun little tale. I would have enjoyed more space given to let the story flow and at times it seems it would have benefitted by playing around with its own elements more. It felt unsure if it was a retelling or an homage at times, and I think it could have been more successful by just really leaning into itself. Still, I read this in a single sitting and found it quite engaging the whole way and I really appreciate the aspect on seeing how history can get twisted into myths and legends that fit the needs of those who desire conquest or an romanticized tale at the expense of the truth. While I may have been a bit critical here, Thornhedge was enjoyable and I will certainly continue to read more T. Kingfisher.

3.5/5

The only choices for her father’s house had been a quiet, peaceful ending or a prolonged horror under Fayette. It had needed Toadling to put it out of its misery, nothing more.
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August 21, 2023 – Shelved
August 21, 2023 – Shelved as: fairy-tale
August 21, 2023 – Shelved as: retelling

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message 1: by Mir (new) - added it

Mir Have you and T read any of her middle grade fantasy? Castle Hangnail is probably the least dark and Summer in Orcus the most dark. I think my favorite two were Minor Mage and A Wizard’s Guide to Defensive Baking.


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Amina I've only read What Moves the Dead by this author, and I thought it was an enjoyable read. And having read a couple of reviews of their latest retelling - I can see, though, that relying too much on the actual story, itself, even with the few twists thrown in here and there - made it less memorable. This part of yours, in particular, was really well-phrased - 'almost overly good and evil flipped on its head!' Still, another incredible review, S.! Hope your next venture with their works will be much more entertaining! 🤍


s.penkevich Mir wrote: "Have you and T read any of her middle grade fantasy? Castle Hangnail is probably the least dark and Summer in Orcus the most dark. I think my favorite two were [book..."

Oooo those sound really cute! Huh I didn’t even realize she did middle grade books. I think I saw she has like 40 books? That’s so impressive. I almost felt bad giving this a lower rating because I still quite enjoyed it but just…felt it didn’t land like I know she can pull off. Might finally read Nettle and Bone soon too


Southern Lady Reads Retellings def have their place but I agree that they need to add a little something extra to stay interesting!!


s.penkevich Amina wrote: "I've only read What Moves the Dead by this author, and I thought it was an enjoyable read. And having read a couple of reviews of their latest retelling - I can see, though, that re..."

Yea wasnt that one good?! I loved that as well and keep meaning to read more of her (well, I guess I did, but more than just this). Yea I felt like it wanted to distance itself from the original tale but sort of landed in an awkward proximity from it that could have either played with the bones more or been just its own thing with a whiff of the original (I feel like Helen Oyeyemi does the latter exceptionally well). Thank you so much though!


s.penkevich Southern Lady Reads wrote: "Retellings def have their place but I agree that they need to add a little something extra to stay interesting!!"

Yea, which is a shame with this one because so much of it did feel fresh but the rest didn’t. As someone that loves novellas though this is one where I feel it actually just needed another 100pgs


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Catherine (alternativelytitledbooks) - so very behind! Very fair review, S! I’m sorry this didn’t live up to What Moves The Dead in terms of atmosphere, but with your comments in mind I think I’ll still give it a try! Thanks for letting me know what to expect! 😊


s.penkevich Catherine wrote: "Very fair review, S! I’m sorry this didn’t live up to What Moves The Dead in terms of atmosphere, but with your comments in mind I think I’ll still give it a try! Thanks for letting me know what to..."

Thank you! Yea, though despite 3 stars I did rather enjoy reading this for what it’s worth—I’d still recommend it! Toadling is so great she’s worth reading it for alone haha. Hope you enjoy it more than I did, I think I’m going to give Nettle and Bone a try next.


Marquise Ha! You did go for the middle ground in the end. :) Excellent review as usual, Steven, I'm glad that you pointed out the issues as you said you would.


s.penkevich Marquise wrote: "Ha! You did go for the middle ground in the end. :) Excellent review as usual, Steven, I'm glad that you pointed out the issues as you said you would."

To be honest, in the end I started to convince myself that it might not be a flaw but a feature mocking masculine narratives and then suddenly I liked it better haha. But thank you. It’s disappointing I think especially next to how much I loved her other book


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Mir s.penkevich wrote: "I almost felt bad giving this a lower rating because I still quite enjoyed it but just…felt it didn’t land like I know she can pull off. ."

She has three with roses and I think they're my least favorite of hers.


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Mir s.penkevich wrote: "I started to convince myself that it might not be a flaw but a feature mocking masculine narratives."

Hm, maybe you'd enjoy her Bluebeard retelling The Seventh Bride more. All the prior wives are sort of half-alive and around trying to help each other.


s.penkevich Mir wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "I started to convince myself that it might not be a flaw but a feature mocking masculine narratives."

Hm, maybe you'd enjoy her Bluebeard retelling [book:The Seventh Bride|2593..."


Ooo okay that sounds really great. I do love a good Bluebeard retelling. A few months ago I read somewhere that Disney was working on an animated retelling and…I’m very curious how they are going to make that into a kid friendly cute story haha


message 14: by Gabriela (new)

Gabriela I always really enjoy reading your reviews.


s.penkevich Gabriela wrote: "I always really enjoy reading your reviews."

Thank you so much, that truly means a lot :)


message 16: by Julio (last edited Aug 25, 2023 07:44AM) (new)

Julio Pino Dear S.: Joan Didion once wrote, "We tell ourselves stories in order to live". I wonder if at times it is not the other way around, "We live to tell stories". Haven't you ever found yourself, like a TWILIGHT ZONE character or Pirandello actor, thinking "I'm playing out a part here". Or in speech. I sometimes say things I first read as quotes from decades ago while reading. Winston Churchill had the same habit.


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "Dear S.: Joan Didion once wrote, We tell ourselves stories in order to live". I wonder if at times it is not the other way around, "We live to tell stories". Haven't you ever found yourself, like a..."

I love that quote. Oh for sure, and I wonder sometimes if it's sort of a hyper awareness of the social dynamics and realizing what part you are "supposed" to be playing in it all (also, in a sort of existential way, developing a narrative in the chaos and thinking how it 'should' play out?).


message 18: by L.A. (new)

L.A. An awesome review 🤗


s.penkevich L.A. wrote: "An awesome review 🤗"

Thank you so much :) I wish it came across as more positive than it ended up but I still enjoyed the book well enough!


message 20: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Dear S.: Joan Didion once wrote, We tell ourselves stories in order to live". I wonder if at times it is not the other way around, "We live to tell stories". Haven't you ever found yo..."
Great points, S: I'm sure you're aware over the debate on African-Americans "acting white", or, closer to my own community, Hispanics who play at being Caucasian. (The opposite of this is what Mailer dubbed the hipster, "The White Negro".) It may not be acting or playing at all; more like blending in and casting yourself in a part suitable to the occasion.


message 21: by Karen (new)

Karen Even though this only got 3 stars from you Steve, I loved the devotion of time and heart you gave to this review. Lovely.


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Dear S.: Joan Didion once wrote, We tell ourselves stories in order to live". I wonder if at times it is not the other way around, "We live to tell stories". Haven..."

I wonder if we can tie everything into the idea that narratives are sort of linked to survival, passing on warnings and such and casting oneself into a suitable role is part of a method towards social survival?


s.penkevich Karen wrote: "Even though this only got 3 stars from you Steve, I loved the devotion of time and heart you gave to this review. Lovely."

Thank you so much! It still ended up being a worthwhile read at least, though sometimes I find 3 star reviews are the most exciting to write because you can really discuss pros and cons in relation to each other in a way you cant with books you either really love or dislike.


message 24: by Morgan (new)

Morgan I came because of your wonderful reviews and the dedication you put into writing them.


s.penkevich Morgan wrote: "I came because of your wonderful reviews and the dedication you put into writing them."

Thank you so much :)


message 26: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Dear S.: Joan Didion once wrote, We tell ourselves stories in order to live". I wonder if at times it is not the other way around, "We live to tell s..."
I very much, concur, S.: Legends and myths must have begun as a means for small groups to protect themselves. All peoples need a fake history of themselves, and the same goes for individuals. Maybe the text, written or oral, is god.


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Dear S.: Joan Didion once wrote, We tell ourselves stories in order to live". I wonder if at times it is not the other way around..."

That is a great way to phrase it. And a god that puts them central—I always find it interesting how the creation myth of each culture puts that culture as central to the creation.


message 28: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino Si, S: These stories always make you wonder "What were the other people on earth doing at this time?" In particular, except for the weird exception of the Book of Mormon, you are puzzled as to why Native Americans are never mentioned in texts supposedly describing all of humanity.


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "Si, S: These stories always make you wonder "What were the other people on earth doing at this time?" In particular, except for the weird exception of the Book of Mormon, you are puzzled as to why ..."

TRUE, like where is everyone else. I always wondered that about the Noah’s ark story and if it was meant to be the whole world why other civilizations that didn’t even know about each other would have been punished too.


message 30: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino Yes, S.: Or, for that matter a universal flood would entail drowning children and other innocents. Plenty of 1950s sci-fi movies, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE, WAR OF THE WORLDS, etc. carry the same message: the earth is corrupt so God is going to wipe us out.


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "Yes, S.: Or, for that matter a universal flood would entail drowning children and other innocents. Plenty of 1950s sci-fi movies, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE, WAR OF THE WORLDS, etc. carry the same message..."

Ha true, always seemed a bit extreme. And the Tower of Babel story, when I first heard that as a kid I was like well that’s fucking annoying haha


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Niko  Taylor On my list for the story.


s.penkevich Niko wrote: "On my list for the story."

Oh excellent, I hope you enjoy!


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Mir s.penkevich wrote: "I read somewhere that Disney was working on an animated retelling and…I’m very curious how they are going to make that into a kid friendly cute story haha"

I hadn't heard! Yeah, I can't imagine a version that would be both cute and similar to the original. I wish there were more non-Disneyish animated films, like Song of the Sea.


s.penkevich Mir wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "I read somewhere that Disney was working on an animated retelling and…I’m very curious how they are going to make that into a kid friendly cute story haha"

I hadn't heard! Yeah..."


YEA that is the studio I would love to see try something like that. Their Wolfwalkers movie blew me away too


message 36: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Yes, S.: Or, for that matter a universal flood would entail drowning children and other innocents. Plenty of 1950s sci-fi movies, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE, WAR OF THE WORLDS, etc. carry th..."
How odd that the tower of Babel story depicts a god who fears humans can reach Him, S.


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "s.penkevich wrote: "Julio wrote: "Yes, S.: Or, for that matter a universal flood would entail drowning children and other innocents. Plenty of 1950s sci-fi movies, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE, WAR OF THE W..."

Ya know, I've never really thought about that before and that is a good point. Is that fairly unique too?


message 38: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino At least in monotheistic religions the tension between an omnipotent god and humans who defy him seems to be always present. In Eastern religions you can always switch to another god or go without him, as in Buddhism.


s.penkevich Julio wrote: "At least in monotheistic religions the tension between an omnipotent god and humans who defy him seems to be always present. In Eastern religions you can always switch to another god or go without ..."

Ah true, though usually are humans not considered much of a threat anyways unlike the Babel one?


message 40: by Julio (new)

Julio Pino No, since, for starters, the gods are not omnipotent. I recently listened to a Sixties talk by Alan Watts where he declared "In eastern religions miracles are not proof of divine power or even existence. They are taken for granted as part of nature". The dichotomy of natural versus supernatural does nor exist in the East. It is all one grand cosmic order.


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