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Autodescription — female human (Q84048852)
description: human of the female sex
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- female human (Q84048852)
- female organism (Q43445)
- human (Q5)
- female human (Q84048852)
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Mention of "producing ova" in English description
[edit]I've reverted this phrasing, originally added by StarTrekker and later edited by Sinigh, to what it was before. "Produces ova" is an over-generalization and the original phrasing of "intended to produce ova" is a bit strange as well (who's to say that a human body is "intended to" do something that it may or may not actually do?). This sort of statement just doesn't belong in the description, and the original phrasing matches the descriptions in other languages. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 16:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Support. I removed the "intended to" and wasn't sure exactly how the description should be improved beyond that. I just changed the description in female organism (Q43445) too. Isn't sex (as in biological sex (Q290)) the more appropriate term in this case? So that we don't equate it with gender (Q48277). Sinigh (talk) 17:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly I'm not 100% sure on that because this item also seems to be used to refer to the trait shared by woman (Q467) and girl (Q3031). This subject area is very semantically messy, especially with modern gender theory. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 18:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sinigh: After a look at this item's properties and poking around a bit in this subject area of Wikidata I'm starting to think you may be right. This item is currently used in the way I mentioned in the classification but I'm not sure it should be. I can look around some more but I'm not sure there are currently items for "male" and "female" as gender categories. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 15:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly I'm not 100% sure on that because this item also seems to be used to refer to the trait shared by woman (Q467) and girl (Q3031). This subject area is very semantically messy, especially with modern gender theory. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 18:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Completely disagree. Producing ova to reproduce is what a female body is biologically supposed to do. Describing something as "female gender" is complete confusing nonsense.StarTrekker (talk) 18:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @StarTrekker: I'd appreciate if you'd not re-revert like you did when there's clearly a disagreement here. I don't follow how "female gender" is confusing or "nonsense", what do you mean by that? Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 19:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- What exactly is "female gender" supposed to mean? "Female" is not a gender, it's a biological feature used for reproduction, yes it's tied to gender because female humans are generally gendered as women or girls, but it's not a gender. It makes no sense to describe it as such.StarTrekker (talk) 13:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, how about "female sex" then? Elaboration about what that implies is outside of the scope of the description, which, per the relevant guideline, should be a short phrase designed to disambiguate items with the same or similar labels. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 15:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- I guess that's fine.StarTrekker (talk) 15:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, how about "female sex" then? Elaboration about what that implies is outside of the scope of the description, which, per the relevant guideline, should be a short phrase designed to disambiguate items with the same or similar labels. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 15:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- What exactly is "female gender" supposed to mean? "Female" is not a gender, it's a biological feature used for reproduction, yes it's tied to gender because female humans are generally gendered as women or girls, but it's not a gender. It makes no sense to describe it as such.StarTrekker (talk) 13:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @StarTrekker: I'd appreciate if you'd not re-revert like you did when there's clearly a disagreement here. I don't follow how "female gender" is confusing or "nonsense", what do you mean by that? Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 19:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
