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Dalembert Canadian?

I don't think he should be counted as a Canadian citizen, given the fact that he was denied a Canadian passport. He only wants to play for Canada. See the bottom of this article (though ESPN doesn't say anything about nationality in his official bio): http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=261108028 JesseRafe 04:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like it should be a simple thing to establish, but I can't find anything that definitely says he's a Haitian citizen. This Sports Illustrated article at least implies he's not a Canadian citizen: "Samuel Dalembert said it is too early to make a commitment, but the 76ers center is considering playing for Canada's Olympic basketball team. Born in Haiti, Dalembert says he is eligible to play for Canada because his mother, Yurose Raymond, is a Canadian citizen." An article I found on caribvoice.org says that Dalembert isn't a Canadian citizen--but the link set off the spam filter, so maybe it's not a good source.


Starting Lineup

I have created the "Current Starting Lineup" section as the old one was poorly made and was unaligned with the rest of the article. CityPride 09:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Syracuse Nationals

On January 13th, Darthflyer removed the Syracuse Nationals historical content from this article, which was later (January 22nd) copied to a separate article: Syracuse Nationals. Is everyone happy with this separation? No other NBA team article has done a similar split in spite of team moves (e.g., Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento Kings, Washington Wizards, Los Angeles Lakers). Then again, the Syracuse content was fairly lengthy. Myasuda 12:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upon further review . . . regarding the Los Angeles Lakers article, there was an article split, albeit not between the Minneapolis and Los Angeles days. Rather, the entire history was moved to a separate article History of the Los Angeles Lakers. Perhaps this would be a better route to take here. Myasuda 12:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Syracuse Nationals is currently Wikiproject Syracuse's "Cleanup/Expansion of the Week." -newkai t-c 17:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Let me also state: Although the Syracuse history is extensive, and thus should be separated out, the stats (eg. the championship) still count towards the 76ers... It's the same franchise! -newkai t-c 17:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the separation as I indicated in my second entry above. But be aware that there is a discussion of this matter at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association where support given to a re-merge the Nats with the 76ers. You may wish to add your two cents to that discussion. Myasuda 01:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As this decision here on Wikipedia seems to have been in favor of non-separation, a decision made quite some time ago, I am merging the two relevant articles here as well. When it came to deleting information, I only made redundancy deletions, not brevity deletions. I may have made the merge and redirect decisions but I'll most likely leave future brevity edits to someone else. If they need to be made that is, I am relatively new here and I don't want to seem like I think I own this page. Reigndog (talk) 17:09, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jayson Williams

I removed him from the not to be forgotten list. Only played a hundred games with a few points average (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jayson_williams/?nav=page).CityPride 10:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

wooooo go 76ers shame about allen iverson but we still kick arse

Sources

This article needs sources, I just tagged it. Tayquan 11:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I gave it a B rating to be generous though, mainly because of the lack of sources. Tayquan 11:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Here's a source for the name of the guy who named the sixers. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1075093/index.htm I keep having to change it back. Some guy wrote schuberg or something and I've seen it misspelled sometimes as Stahlberg. I'm 100% sure it's Stalberg because it's my great uncle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.251.14.99 (talk) 14:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Philadelphia 76ers

Currently this is a redirect to Template:Philadelphia 76ers roster; this is inappropriate. The Sixers need a summary box similar in style to these...

...so that they can get equal billing on pages about Philly sports teams in general, such as Curse of Billy Penn.

I post this here in the hope that someone who knows the facts (I'm not that big a Sixers fan) can correct this oversight (and because Template talk:Philadelphia 76ers, where I originally intended to post this comment, was recently deleted). 71.126.98.80 (talk) 14:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Founding date?

The article claims "The 76ers are the NBA's oldest franchise" and that they were founded in 1937. Neither appears to be true. The National Basketball League goes back (under that name) to 1937, but the Nationals didn't join until 1946, which means at least two teams (the Pistons and Lakers) can trace their lineage back father. I presume that the confusion was started by the Pistons' website[1], which references 1937. It never claims that the Nationals go back that far, though, probably referring to the NBL. I'm going to change the two references. SixFourThree (talk) 15:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

Sorry, the article refers to 1939. So where does this date come from? Not the team site, nor the league's. A Google search returns the number in a couple places[2], but those could well have originated here. There are some old references on other wikis, since corrected (vandalism?). APBR only lists 1946 on.[3] So can anybody shed light on this? SixFourThree (talk) 16:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]
I'm going to answer my own question - based on the Sixers' site, and the NBA's, and the Association for Professional Basketball Research, and the Syracuse Nationals article, 1946 is the correct date. I'm going to correct, which also means removing the "oldest NBA franchise" line SixFourThree (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

Logos

I'm swapping the logos back - the circle logo is the team's "partial logo" and the red-backed version is the team's primary logo.[4] SixFourThree (talk) 20:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

On a related question the old circle logo is subtly different from the new millennium one. I remember a Yahoo Sports blog documenting this. –Howard the Duck 02:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Swapping them back again - an anonymous user moved the "partial" logo up to the primary spot. Again, the official primary logo includes the city name and red background - the round version is labeled a "partial logo" by the team. SixFourThree (talk) 18:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

Once again, an anonymous user has tried to swap the "partial logo" for the primary. Please do not do that - the version with red background is the actual primary logo. SixFourThree (talk) 20:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

Are you kidding me?

Unless I'm in a parallel universe, Allen Iverson does not belong on the list of 76ers players in the Basketball Hall of Fame. InsultComicDog (talk) 09:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

current roster

There were some changes in current roster. Jeremy Pargo and Damien Wilkins are in, Shelvin Mack and Maalik Waynes are out. Skrzeczu94 (talk) 16:10, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And according to nba.com, there is one more assistant coach - Monte Shubik.

Retired Numbers - Allen Iverson #3

Allen Iverson WILL have his number retired ON March of 2014. Remember to add it on the day it happens. 67.8.59.86 (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Article needs a rewrite for tone

There is way too much editorializing in this article and a very inconsistent tone. Please edit this article to make the tone more informational and neutral. The worst sections are the ones dealing with the team's Finals run in 1982-83 and the Iverson years, but there are problems with neutrality throughout. Re42scott (talk) 19:16, 5 December 2015 (UTC)Re42Scott[reply]

Yeah tell me about it. I tried to add Hal Greer in several things which were important, way more than Iverson. You know he is one of the 50 greatest players in NBA history and did win a NBA title. Which many on here did not... 

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Division Titles

Sixers also won division titles in 1966, 1967 and 1968 no? Banners hanging in rafters say so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:42:704:1F30:298A:60A0:7F3D:E4C3 (talk) 20:06, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Headquartered in Camden

The Philadelphia 76ers (also commonly known as the Sixers) are an American professional basketball team based Camden, New Jersey[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] [8]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Djflem (talk • contribs) 21:16, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

They are not based in Camden. We list the arena's location as their base, despite of where they practice or have their offices. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:59, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The team is headquartered in Camden as is provided in numerous references. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. 10:12, 27 January 2017 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Djflem (talk • contribs)
They are not based in Camden. They can have their offices or training facilities wherever they want, but the consensus is that we list arena's location as their base. So stop adding it. – Sabbatino (talk) 13:52, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
They are indeed headquartered in Camden as the numerous references prove. You will need to demonstrate with references and/or wikipedia policy otherwise if wish to remove valid material from the article. And explain why removal of the valid material in any way serves to better it. The facts are simple and straightforward, are they not? If not then why not? Claims need to be backed-up as per Wikipedia:Verfiability.Djflem (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, we don't use formation such as "based in X and headquartered in Y" in the lede. The accepted practice is to use "based in X" and this practice applies to every single team (you can look if you don't believe it). Secondly, the 76ers' website specifically states Philadelphia, PA. Then there's the 76ers' media guide, which also states Philadelphia, PA. And NBA's media guide is another source, which specifically states Philadelphia, PA. Official sources are more reliable than what some journalist thinks. I completely reworked it and changed with more reliable references and restored the accepted lede's format. DO NOT think otherwise and restore your version with 9 sources, which say exactly the same (using so much sources for one statement is too much), as I'll revert it again, because it's clear that you aren't willing to assume good faith and be civil, and instead show hostility if someone disagrees with you. And please read WP:BRD so that next time you wouldn't be doing the same thing like you are now. – Sabbatino (talk) 22:30, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Articles should not WP:ASTONISH readers. They would first want to know why the team is named after Philadelphia, not be shocked immediately with trivia about where their training facilities are located. If based is deemed ambiguous, just say explicitly that they play in Philadelphia.—Bagumba (talk) 18:33, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. Avoid "based in" (and "headquartered") entirely, and say that they play in Philadelphia. We can then discuss the practice facility and team offices somewhere else in the article. There's no clear distinction between "based in" and "headquartered", so the first sentence in this version is going to confuse most readers. Zagalejo^^^ 00:12, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Bagumba, Zagalejo Don't forget that this would apply to all teams' articles, and some of the articles already have a sentence like "The Celtics play their home games at the TD Garden, which they share with the National Hockey League (NHL)'s Boston Bruins." so we would have to rework every lede. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. You have both the Washington Redskins and New York Islanders which maintain corporate offices away from their home arena. Doesn't mean that the Islanders are based in Nassau or Loudoun counties. TastyPoutine talk (if you dare) 17:13, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily. We can evaluate things on a case by case basis. In this article, we need more precise language, but if no one is complaining about the other articles, we can leave those leads alone. Zagalejo^^^ 23:49, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
See New York Jets and New York Giants for a case-by-case view.Djflem (talk) 08:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this even a question? They play and are named for Philadelphia. The sources don't refute that. Sure, its somewhat relevant trivia information to include where the practice facilities are, but this shouldn't be complicated. They play in Philadelphia. MavsFan28 (talk) 21:14, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Sixers open big new practice complex in Camden". Retrieved 14 November 2016.
  2. ^ "Philadelphia 76ers on Camden move: 'We just feel like this is home'". Retrieved 14 November 2016.
  3. ^ "Philadelphia 76ers open training facility in Camden (PHOTOS)". Retrieved 14 November 2016.
  4. ^ "Inside the Sixers' $82 million New Jersey facility they're basically getting for free". Retrieved 14 November 2016.
  5. ^ "Sixers practice facility set to open on Camden Waterfront". Retrieved 27 January 2017.
  6. ^ "Philadelphia 76ers Training Complex and Corporate Headquarters - Welcome to AthenianRazak". Retrieved 27 January 2017.
  7. ^ "76ers completing move to Camden". Philadelphia Business Journal. January 19, 2017.
  8. ^ "Sixers, Intech to Hold Job Fair for Camden Training Complex Site Workers - Philadelphia 76ers". Retrieved 27 January 2017.

In the logo section, the ball with 76ers script is listed as the primary. However, the primary logo is actually the ball enveloped in a blue roundel with Philadelphia on top and stars on the bottom. This roundel logo should also be used at the top of the page where the other franchise information is displayed, as the other 29 NBA teams feature their correct primary logo on their pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.163.236.217 (talk) 23:25, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge the Hinkie and Colangelo sections & rename them to the process

So, first, it makes much more sense for two 'eras' to be considered one considering that the 76ers' rebuild didn't suddenly end with the introduction of Bryan Colangelo as GM. Beyond that, Brett Brown stayed as head coach and a lot of the actions of Colangelo, such as the Fultz trade, can be seen as results of Hinkie's moves. Also, the section should be named as the Process, because even if it's not 'official', it's become the common media term for this era of 76ers history.

That sounds like a good change. (Refactoring your comment a little because these are meant as external links to prove your point, not refs, and would remain at the bottom of the page, confusing any future discussion.) JesseRafe (talk) 21:42, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2018

Current text: The 76ers have only been back to the NBA Finals once since then: in 2001, where they were led by Iverson and lost to the Los Angeles Lakers 4 games to 1.

Please edit as follows:

Having won the NBA championship three times in 1955, 1967, and 1983, the 76ers have also appeared in two additional NBA finals: losing to the Portland Trailblazers, who were led by Bill Walton and Maurice Lucas, in 1977; and to the Los Angeles Lakers, in 2001. 134.126.46.146 (talk) 19:02, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

 Not done, the suggested sentence is clunky and unnecessarily detailed and presented out of chronological order. The current sentence is fine, and, as one of the very first sentences in the whole article, more than sufficient and easy to grasp. Detailed seasons/eras later in the article provide more info about Finals performances. JesseRafe (talk) 19:14, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious

There is a line that says newspaper writers liked the nickname 76ers because it could be shortened to "Sixers". It literally has more characters in it; it's not much of a shortening. I won't dispute that the abbreviation made for a catchy nickname, but I also have a suspicion that the claim about newspaper writers was generated from thin air, as it logically doesn't check out. 2605:E000:1C0B:4307:C03:2934:4B3B:414F (talk) 08:14, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apparent vandalism of CEO section in the infobox

The CEO of the franchise is currently listed as "Beef House Bullies" which obviously can't be correct. From a cursory search online, the CEO appears to be Scott O'Neil: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/philadelphia-76ers/scott-oneil-sixers-ceo-discusses-how-his-family-breeds-success. 104.13.110.123 (talk) 23:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead sentence

Could someone help me understand the logic here? Why must the lead sentence read that the team are based in the Philadelphia metropolitan area as opposed to just Philadelphia? I'm told this has been discussed before and consensus decided on this, but no discussion was linked and I can't find where it could have taken place. Every other major league team article I can find for a team who actually play in the city for which they are named goes against what has been established for this article, even for teams whose practice facilities or headquarters are not necessarily located in the same city. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 05:41, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Zeke, the Mad Horrorist: Talk:Philadelphia 76ers#Headquartered in Camden — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djflem (talk • contribs) 06:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not seeing any consensus whatsoever for anything other than just meat-and-potatoes Philadelphia in the linked discussion. I'm tempted to open this up to the community through an RfC, as it seems a rather WP:LOCALCONSENSUS has emerged that contravenes precedent. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 01:24, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RfC about the lead sentence

I think we need some outside opinion as to whether the lead sentence should say "in the Philadelphia metropolitan area" or just Philadelphia. I tried looking for consensus for the former but, as my post above bears out, found only consensus favoring the latter, if anything. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 21:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Philly resident! I think "Philadelphia" is preferred, because their home stadium is in the heart of the city. "Philadelphia metropolitan area", to me, implies the suburbs. — GhostRiver 02:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Point of clarification: I don't actually live in Philadelphia. I just saw this article following a different standard from those of other sports teams we follow, so thought I'd investigate. By "outside" I meant from editors not normally involved with this article. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 04:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Last related, major discussion was at above #Headquartered_in_Camden in 2017. Pinging those participants: @Djflem, Sabbatino, Zagalejo, TastyPoutine, and MavsFan28:.—Bagumba (talk) 12:14, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I found this edit from 6 July 2017 to change to "Philadelphia metropolitan area". The edit summary says per talk page, but I do find consensus for it here.—Bagumba (talk) 12:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It appears that "based in the Philadelphia metropolitan area" reflects that the team headquarters and training facilities are in Camden, New Jersey. Camden should be avoided in the lead sentence per WP:ASTONISH, since the team name has "Philadelphia". However, I'd argue that teams are primarily notable for where they play, not their headquarters, esp. if their locations differ. The current lead is correct, technically. However, I don't see a problem with just changing the lead to "basedplays in the Philadelphia metropolitan area". FWIW, the lead at Los Angeles Chargers is "based in the Los Angeles metropolitan area", since similiarly their headquarters are not in LA, the city.—Bagumba (talk) 12:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Chargers play in Inglewood, so it’s accurate that it’s in the LA Metro area. This keeps coming up and it keeps going the same direction. They play in Philadelphia. Their practice facility and team office is in Camden. It’s trivial for me but apparently meaningful to others. This seems like an adequate compromise to the crowd that insists that every possible geographic consideration be accounted for. Does “based” mean the location of the CEO’s office or where they play? Is the practice facility relevant? The Flyers practice in Voorhees? Does that mean they aren’t “based” solely in Philadelphia? Unless we can come up with an explicit definition of the word “based”, then this discussion will end up in the same spot, with a general non consensus. TastyPoutine talk (if you dare) 16:14, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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