Talk:Catullus 85

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Translation

What translation is being used here? What source, when I did this for my Latin GCSE I was told that "excrucior" translated more to "Crucified", perhaps as the word excruciating is derived from this we should alter the translation? Help plz 15:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This dictionary has it as "to torture" or "to torment." It's related to crux,crucis, but it's not actually the verb for crucify, at least by this dictionary (New college latin english dictionary). Sophy's Duckling 09:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Think excruciate.--Ioshus ^(talk) 15:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it is an abstract verb, but associated with the pain of crucifixion; "to torture" is good. "Crucify" is (in classical Latin) 'cruci affigere'. I think 'crucifigo' was invented later, or at least uncommon in Catullus' time.Eric B 23:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericbateson (talk • contribs)

I really don't like the way the translation "makes it rhyme". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.172.27.169 (talk) 08:36, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

capitalization

Are either "Quare" or " Nescio" supposed to be capitalized? It looks like a mistake to me, after having a little bit of Latin and realizing that the language lacks capitalization at the beginning of sentences, but I don't know where to find a reliable original (I see it typed both ways online). thanks. Jxn 05:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The word excrucior does literally mean torture, but the word comes from the Latin word crux, crucis, f: cross. In this poem I would say that crucified is a better translation. If you look at the poem itself it has a very neat chiastic structure. "Odi et amo…sentio et excrucior," I hate and I love…I feel and I am crucified; "faciam…fieri," I do it… it is done; "requiris // nescio," you ask, I don't know. The poem itself becomes the cross that Catullus is hanging from.

Concerning capitalization in Latin, the original manuscript of Catullus was written in all capitals with no spaces. It is entirely up to the editor how it is punctuated.

wikisource

The Wikisource article in direct relation to this poem (here: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catullus_85) has an differentiating translation. There should be some congruency between the two articles.