Talk:Ddu-Du Ddu-Du

21 August 2018 edit comment

To clarify, my comment should read ""Forever Young" does not appear to be a single (not for chrono)": the not was inadvertently left out. In their discography, it is listed with "Other charted songs" rather than with "Singles". If it is re-added as a single, it shouldn't be linked without an article and the year needs to be included. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:38, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Eyy it is so true Joewyne (talk) 19:02, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Usage in media

Please see WP:SONGTRIVIA regarding the necessity of the above-mentioned section. The information is trivial and not worth including just because the song was used/a reliable source mentioned it being used. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ddu-Du Ddu-Du/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Nkon21 (talk · contribs) 07:23, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Another review right after your pass! --K. Peake 07:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Use bullets points instead of hlist per Template:Infobox song
• Only pop-rap and trap should be listed as genres since it is just the synths that are mentioned as being EDM, also pipe to Pop rap
• Change the lead to mentioning in the first sentence that it was recorded for their "first Korean extended play, Square Up (2018)." Regarding the lead single sentence, change it to saying it was released as the album's lead single with the wikilink
• "It was written by" → "The song was written by" and this should be the second sentence instead of the single release
• "by Teddy, 24, Bekuh Boom and" → "by Park, 24, Bekuh Boom, and"
• The genres should be trap and pop rap with bubblegum pop and EDM sounds
• ""Ddu-Du Ddu-Du" utilizes oriental" → "it utilizes oriental"
• "while its title imitates" → "while the title imitates"
• The second para is out of order; add a sentence about the reviews the song received with what was praised at the start and follow this with the lists it was placed on, then commercial performance
• Pipe Gaon Digital Chart to Circle Digital Chart
• "number one in Singapore, Malaysia," → "number one in Singapore and Malaysia," although these peaks need writing out in prose in the commercial section
• "It was certified double platinum" → "The song was certified double platinum"
• "Its accompanying music video was uploaded to the group's official YouTube channel on the same day" → "An accompanying music video was uploaded to Blackpink's YouTube on the same day as the single release"
• Remove the one billion statistic since only two billion is notable in the context of the lead, also can you try to add synopsis to the section and summarize it here?
• Asides from the music shows, you should add a couple or so of other notable performances like Coachella Festival and Stephen Colbert with the year of them too
• "becoming a viral dance move." something better like "representative" should be used rather than viral per the body, plus re-invoke the ref here since you use a direct quote

Background and release

• "serving as its single." → "serving as its lead single." per the source, with the wikilink
• Remove the mention of fans from the attention since there is no one to attribute this to specifically from the source
• "were reported saying, "as" → "were reported saying, "As" per the source and re-invoke the ref here per usage of a direct quote
• My translation says that Jennie said she was excited rather than looking forward specifically, is this showing as different for you?

I think I added this part three years ago, so the exact wording from the machine translator changed since then.

• Pipe digital download to Music download
• "Bekuh Boom, 24 and" → "Bekuh Boom, 24, and"
• The first two sentences of the second para are completely unsourced
• "on August 22." → "on August 22, 2018."

Composition

• Retitle to Composition and lyrics
• Audio sample looks good!
• Either only have "fierce" in quotes or use [] for pop-rap since the source says "fierce hip-pop track", making the genre fine but direct quoting needs to be paraphrased here
• "on top of the bassline" the source only mentions the beat so re-word to this, or is my translator wrong?
• Yonhap News Agency should not be italicized
• Add the names of the authors from the publications mentioned
• [10] should be re-invoked after the first sentence per usage of a direct quote
• "when they were given the demo" → "when they heard the demo"
• [11] does not mention chord progression, plus only trap is sourced not EDM too for this song; a way to replace would be to invoke the Paper ref for EDM elements somewhere suitable here
• "synthesizers while the chorus sees the group members delivering" → "synthesizers, while the chorus sees the group members repeating" with the wikilink
• "Its lyrical content, such as" → "The lyrical content, such as"
• "celebrate the member's success" → "celebrate the members' success" although where is the re-assurance and strength sourced?

Critical reception

• Pipe The 405 to The 405 (magazine) and invoke this ref at the end of the review's first sentence too per direct quoting
• "and its seamless flow of verses." → "and a seamless flow of verses."
• [18] should be invoked at the end of the review's first sentence too per direct quoting
• "Jeff Benjamin, writing for" → "Jeff Benjamin, for"
• "Benjamin added that "from" → "Benjamin added, "From" per the source
• "writing that "it's a" → "writing, "It's a"
• Place the The Forty-Five review partially in your own words for something like "it is rare for K-pop intros to be as recognizable as..." to avoid overquoting
• None of the Taylor Glasby views are backed up from the source; please re-word this to fit his review

OTT means "over the top", and emotional build into the chorus gave the vocalists space to power up → "emotional build into the chorus that gave the members space to demonstrate their vocal ability"

• "it lacked the" → "the track lacked the" and invoke the ref at the end of this sentence too per direct quoting
• Wikilink YouTube Rewind to itself completely
• Regarding the Melon and Rolling Stone rankings, these need to be written out in prose too for you to keep them in the lead and the music video rankings should be in that section itself

Already in the impact & legacy section

Accolades

• Img looks good!
• Wikilink Inkigayo
• The music video awards should be written out in the mv section itself instead
• Pipe MTV Video Music Awards Japan to 2018 MTV Video Music Awards Japan

Commercial performance

• Pipe Gaon Digital Chart to Circle Digital Chart
• The second number one single is not sourced, plus change the sentence to "in the country and scored the highest..." removing the part about beating the other song since this is not mentioned anywhere
• "It remained atop" → "The song remained atop"
• "for both download and streaming by" → "for streaming and download by" to have consistency with the order
• "on April 11, 2019." → "on April 11, 2019, respectively."
• For correct order, add the Malaysia and Singapore peaks after South Korea
• "debuted at number 6" → "debuted at number six" per MOS:NUM
• "peaked at number 2" → "peaked at number two" per above
• "debuted at number 7" → "debuted at number seven"
• Update that the certification was platinum and specify this was in Japan
• Pipe Nielsen to Luminate (company)
• Mention that the 500,000 units were in the US
• "thus becoming the first Korean girl group" → "making Blackpink the first Korean girl group"
• Add a mention of the World Digital Song Sales and K-Pop Hot 100 charts here
• "making them the first" → "making Blackpink the first"
• "streams in the UK" → "streams in the United Kingdom" and only the September 2022 count is notable to avoid going into too much detail

Music video

• Img looks good!
• Add synopsis info here too
• Remove wikilinks on Psy in this section
• "by an all-female group to" → "by an all-female K-pop group to"
• Remove "at the time" since the sentence already uses became
• End the Rolling Stone quote at "Make 'Em Say Uhh!" and add "in 1998" in prose
• The second girl group and fourth music group are not sourced, only first K-pop group

Live performances and other usage

• Remove the sub-section headings since the title implies usage comes last
• "for the first time" → "for the first time to perform the song"
• Safety concerns needn't be in quotes
• Img should be lined up with the third para instead
• No source of the song being performed at the SBS Super Concert nor 2018 Melon Music Awards
• Pipe "Solo" to Solo (Jennie song) and add a comma prior to "before"
• The Gaon Chart Music Awards and Universal Music performances are not sourced
• Lowercase the Beatles per MOS:THEMUSIC
• "was also used for the" → "was also used for Blackpink's"
• Add the names of the Teen Vogue and Billboard reviewers
• The source does not mention the song being performed on the Born Pink World Tour
• Remove the Universe Ticket cover per WP:SONGCOVER, unless you can add more info to justify
• "of the Buckingham Palace" → "of London's Buckingham Palace"

Impact and legacy

• Remove links on British GQ and Melon
• "the song "ignited a global signal" leading to" → "the song sent a global signal leading to"
• The Kang ref should be invoked after his first quote too, plus why are both refs invoked in the last sentence when that is only from their review?

Track listing

• Add sources for these, plus make sure the credits themselves are sourced

Chart performance

• Retitle to Charts
• Pipe Gaon to Circle Digital Chart

Certifications and sales

• Good

Release history

• [132] only backs up a release in the US; please add more citations for various or change to United States for this one elsewise
• Ditto for [135]

See also

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks great at 30.6%!!!
• Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 5
• Cite Grammy Awards as publisher instead with the wikilink and fix MOS:CAPS issues on ref 6
• Cite Younhap News Agency as publisher instead refs 9 and 98
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on ref 12
• Wikilink NME on ref 15
• Cite Newsis as publisher instead on ref 27
• Pipe Sports Chosun to The Chosun Ilbo on refs 29, 80 and 81 and fix MOS:CAPS issues with the first ref
• Cite AXS as publisher instead on ref 32
• Cite News1 as publisher instead on ref 35 and if it is the Israeli website, wikilink
• Cite Maeil Broadcasting Network as publisher instead on ref 44
• Pipe Gaon Music Chart to Circle Chart on refs 51, 52, 53, 111, 117, 118, 120 and 122
• Cite Oricon News as publisher instead and pipe to Oricon on ref 54
• Cite Nielsen as publisher and pipe to Luminate (company) on ref 59
• Cite The Korea Herald instead on ref 69
• Cite Newsen as publisher instead on refs 71 and 93
• Yahoo! → Yahoo! Japan on ref 73, citing as publisher with the wikilink
• NY Daily News → New York Daily News with the wikilink on ref 83
• Cite Yahoo! News UK as publisher instead on ref 91
• Cite Freeform as publisher instead on ref 92

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this has some problems with information not backed up but can be fixed with research! --K. Peake 12:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

  I believe that I have addressed everything, please let me know if I have missed any. Thanks for your review as always ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 14:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

  Nkon21 Sorry for the late response, I was unaware since you had not @ me and I'll go over this now after having done some copyediting. I still need you to add a source for the digital release, wikilink YouTube Rewind to itself instead of the platform's main page, change "for both download and streaming by" to the consistent order, remove wikilink on Psy altogether in music video since he is linked in a previous section and fix MOS:QWQ issues where the refs have "" inside them, also are you sure captions should not be used for charts and release history? --K. Peake 18:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Kyle Peake Ok, I addressed the points you brought up. There are table captions in the charts and release history sections, although sr-only. Also, is there somewhere where editors have said that music recording bodies must be written out? Several FAs I looked at simply uses the country names too. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 04:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Nkon21: ✓ Pass now, a lot quicker of a response than when I missed you by over a week!! --K. Peake 18:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

K-Pop as a genre

This discussion has been moved to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music per WP:APPNOTE and WP:INAPPNOTE.

The edits I've made consisting of added K-Pop to "genre" in infoboxes or in the descriptions of articles were getting removed, most edit summaries say K-Pop is not a genre.

Due to this, I have a topic open for discussion here to provide consensus on if K-Pop is a genre. Also I mean no harm in Wikipedia and to avoid COI (if this is a COI). Tonkarooson (talk) *new editor* 00:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)