Talk:Fasana-e-Azad

Copy-edit

Hi Nishidani. Hope, you are doing well. Could you copy-edit the quote I have put in the 'Background' section. I have copied it directly from a PhD dissertation. So, it needs paraphrasing to avoid copyvio. Thanks. --Gazal world (talk) 20:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Since your translation was excellent I thought by copy-edit you meant paraphrase, which is what I did. But if you want just a copy-edit, I'll erase what I did and re-examine your version. I must admit I was a little distracted, since I did this hurriedly during ad breaks in the film Last Vegas, which I liked because it was similar to incidents in my own life. Apologies if I misunderstood. No problem with time. Get back to me and I'll fix it anyway you wish.Nishidani (talk) 21:27, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nishidani: Hey Nishi, I think that this will work. What you say ?

I will correct the errors. Don't worry. And thanks. --Gazal world (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

On any article where you need some assistance, I'll be there (Covid permitting!). You nreally are doing important work. Now, if there's anything unsatisfactory just ping me. Stay safe.Nishidani (talk) 19:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

• Hi Nishidani. I know you are too busy. But could you help me in copy-editing of 'Publication history' section of this article? I am about to publish it with some minor addition. No any urgency. Do it as per your convenience. Thanks. --Gazal world (talk) 18:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Removal of contents

Hi Johnnie Bob Although you have provided edit summary for this changes, I don't know why you removed the contents from the lead ? The fact is supported by citation in article body. Thanks. --Gazal world (talk) 13:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

My apologies. Whenever I see words such as "technically", "considered by ... some", and "thought by most scholars" I immediately look for a citation to back up the statement. Apparently I didn't look closely enough :). I will undo the change. I would suggest that you revise the statement to be more specific. You might want to refer readers to the section "Scholarship" with a link or something. Or you could consider removing it from the lead entirely since it is discussed in detail in that section. -- John (Johnnie Bob (talk) 14:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC))

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Fasana-e-Azad/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Oulfis (talk · contribs) 05:12, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Comments:

• Accuracy: In the background section, the last paragraph is confusing. It says The novel evolved as it was published. Fasana-e-Azad satirizes urban life for about its first 500 pages, usually centering on a wandering figure such as Azad or a minor character.[5] This was in keeping with the influence of Charles Dickens's The Pickwick Papers and Miguel de Cervantes' Don Quixote on Sarshar.[6] As the story progressed and became popular, he decided to serialize the narrative from 1878 to 1883.[5]. Is it referring to the Zarafat series or to Fasana-e-Azad? Mentioning the "500 pages" makes it sound like this paragraph is about the book Fasana-e-Azad, but then the dates given for after the story progressed and became popular start with the year the novel began -- surely only Zarafat could have had a chance to become popular before 1878? If this is information about Zarafat I'd suggest clarifying it; if it's about Fasana-e-Azad, I'd suggest either deleting it or moving it to other parts of the article.

• Hello. Sorry for the confusion. Zarafat is itself part of the first volume of the novel. I have clarified this in the 2nd paragraph of background section. When Sarshar started writing Zarafat series (which also sometimes centres around the character Azad), he don't had any plan about writing this novel. When the series became popular among the readers of Avadh Akhbar, Sarshar decided to transfer it into a novel with well-structured story. When the novel was published, the series was included in the first volume. What would you suggest ? Any paraphrasing needed? Thanks. --Gazal world (talk) 22:54, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• Accuracy: The statement "It is an encyclopedia of contemporary Lucknow culture" feels out of place in what is otherwise a really specific and well-supported reception section. This work is not literally an encyclopedia so the source doesn't support the statement as-is. If we want to say it's like a encyclopedia that comparison should be attributed to somebody. Maybe this can be adapted to become the first sentence of the next paragraph.

• Oops. apologize. Originally I wrote: Fasana-e-Azad serves as an encyclopedia of culture of Lucknow. It was then rephrased to the current statement by the copy-editor. I have restored it back. See. --Gazal world (talk) 22:54, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• NPOV: The section discussing whether the work is a novel contains a lot of valuable information, but the level of detail provided about the counterarguments seems to give that point of view undue weight. Especially since the work does seem to be generally assessed as a novel, it would be good to include more detail about why that's the most common conclusion, so the attention paid by the article matches what is generally said. And/or, the not-a-novel paragraph could be shortened by moving one of the quotes to a footnote.

• Thanks for pointing out this. You are right. I should have added details about why Fasana-e-Azad is generally referred as novel. But, it will take some time (1 week or two) in research. OR As per your suggestion, should I shorten the not-a-novel paragraph? --Gazal world (talk) 22:54, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• If those three things are addressed I think you are in good shape for a Good Article! As I note I think there are 'better' ways to fix them with edits and moving things around, but they could also be addressed by deleting.
• Optional: I wonder if the "Reception" section would be improved by combining it with the "Scholarship" section (since scholarship is its own form of reception) and introducing thematic sub-section instead, like "Status as a novel," "Depictions of Lucknow," "The character of Khoji"... Actually, "Status as a novel" might merit its own section, since that's not really a question of reception. These are just my thoughts on how to improve the organization even further, but the current organization seems good to me.

• I think, both the section ("Reception and "Scholarship") are at appropriate places and in good shape. --Gazal world (talk) 22:54, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Oulfis: Thank you very much starting this review. I will address all the issue very soon. Probably tonight. --Gazal world (talk) 12:27, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

@Oulfis: Pinging. --Gazal world (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Gazal world: My apologies for how long this review sat open. I did some research and editing myself to address my comments, and I now think this article is ready to be called a Good Article! Looking back at this conversation, I see that you posed questions about how to address my first and third comments... somehow I forgot that you might be waiting on me before editing further, and I was waiting on you to edit before looking at the review again. Sorry! Now, I'll figure out how to mark it officially as a Good Article :) Thanks for doing so much work on this interesting article, I really enjoyed poking through this research! ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 07:57, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• @Oulfis: No problem at all. Thanks for your kind research work on article. It looks great now. --Gazal world (talk) 08:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:07, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Urdu novel Fasana-e-Azad consist of about 3000 pages? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • ALT1:... that Fasana-e-Azad is regarded as one of the first modern Urdu novels? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

• Reviewed: QPQ will be done by my fellow Wikipedian User:Nizil Shah Richards Building

Improved to Good Article status by Gazal world (talk). Self-nominated at 07:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC).

• This is just a comment -- I don't intend to review this DYK nom -- but I think an even more interesting 'hook' could probably be written about the novel's minor character, Khoji, who was based on Sancho Panza from Don Quixote, and who was so popular that an edition of this 3000 page novel was published collecting just excerpts about Khoji. That detail would need some rewriting to be concise and fit in the DYK format, but I think going into a bit of detail like that helps this novel stand out from other old, long novels. (Good luck with the DYK nom, Gazal world!) ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 23:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Reviewing QPQ added. -Nizil (talk) 07:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

The article became a GA on time and everything checks out - no copyright violations and reliably referenced. A QPQ has been completed. I prefer the first hook as it is the most interesting. The hook is also directly cited. SL93 (talk) 22:08, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Here is a tweak to fix the original hook - "... that the Urdu novel Fasana-e-Azad consists of about 3000 pages?" SL93 (talk) 00:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

@SL93: Yes. It looks fine. Good to go. Thanks. --Gazal world (talk) 02:47, 29 December 2020 (UTC)