Talk:Flag of Utah

Changes Needed

Before I fix it, I would like some feedback. The first sentence of this entry is not correct. The Utah State Flag was adopted in 1913, not 2011. The 2011 resolution merely instructs to follow "the statutory flag description" which was adopted in 1913. Specifically, the resolution points out that the date 1847 was technically in the wrong place in the interpretations of the flag made since 1922. On the prototype flag that was made to show the legislature in 2011, the 1847 date was put back onto the shield. There were a few other artistic differences not mentioned in statute or resolution. The shield was made white to match the 1913 physical flag and 45 stars were now visible on the U.S. Flags depicted on the Utah Flag--but these minor interpretations did not consist of a new state flag being ADOPTED by the legislature. Also, the flag's design is NOT the state's seal precisely. It is very similar, it is based upon it, but it is NOT the seal. Also, the color is NOT specified as "Dark Navy Blue" in the statute. Also, the main image of the flag should NOT be the 2011 prototype flag, since there was not anything statutory about that flag being special. It was basically a quick rendition to depict a more accurate version of the flag. Instead, it would make sense to depict the flag that the state currently orders and uses, which would be the image that is strangely labeled the "enhanced variant." That "enhanced variant" label should be dropped; it is the current flag being used the most and is also much better looking than the prototype used for a few months in 2011. Daikaisho (talk) 06:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

New Utah state flag?

In the 2002 Winter Olympic Games held in Salt Lake City, they announced the winning design of a "new" Utah state flag contest: I recall how it looked: a dark blue or purple background and had three large white mountain crests like this: ^ ^ ^ to symbolize Utah is a mountainous state. The flag was revealed int he opening and closing ceremonies to represent Utah, but was actually a memorial expression to the Sept. 11 (2001) terrorist attacks (the World Trade Center and The Pentagon). This was an unofficial state flag since it wasn't adopted by the Utah state government. Anyone can offer me a link to a resource page or web site that discusses the "new" Utah state flag used once in 2002? It looks really nice and would definitely look better than the current official state flag. + Mike D 26 (talk) 11:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

There was a contest in the early 2000s for a new state flag. It was sponsored by The Salt Lake Tribune, but how seriously it was taken by lawmakers I don't know (other than a new flag never came). Here is some info about the contest from the North American Vexillological Association - Utah Flag Design Contest Report.--75.169.247.27 (talk) 06:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

The image of the flag needs to be updated. The State Legislature of Utah passed the bill to update the flag on 9 Mar 11.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51397904-76/flag-state-utah-anniversary.html.csp

Tacorrenti (talk) 10:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Article should have controversy section.

It looks like the flag has never been correctly made. Article mentions a couple of weird historical facts regarding diff between what was mandated and what was actually made - it misses the fact that still today flags are made incorrectly with the "1847" utterly misplaced:http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50931358-76/flag-state-utah-shield.html.csp ... 99.141.243.84 (talk) 17:55, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Also here: Governor Herbert signs bill that corrects state flag KSL-TV 97.117.3.143 (talk) 07:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect number of stars

This flag has 46 stars in the picture when it is supposed to be 45 as the State come into the union as the 45th state. - June 22 2018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zmorganx1 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

I requested support at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Heraldry_and_vexillology#Wrong_number_of_stars_on_flag_of_Utah. Let's see what happens. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

The one captioned "enhanced variant", whatever that means, has 45 stars. —Tamfang (talk) 07:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

It is minutia like this that makes Utah's flag a good example of a bad flag design; one should not have to read the text on the flag to know what it represents. My personal opinion aside, Utah legislation, which 'defines' the elements of the flag, is mute on the quantity of stars in the unions of the US flags. Apparently derived from the Great Seal of the State of Utah, legislation describing that is also mute on the quantity of stars. Several of the historical images of both the flag and the seal have varying numbers of stars.

The enhanced variant image was added at this edit by Editor Oganesson007 without comment. At about the same time, Editor Oganesson007 also added a new section to Seal of Utah which, to me, appears to be copy pasta from http://www.loeser.us/flags/utah.html. With this edit, an IP editor added this unsourced sentence: "Advisors in the project included John Hartvigsen, David Rindlisbach and Ronald L. Fox, Fox suggested the flag on the seal would have 45 stars divided between the two U.S. Flags shown on the seal, Utah was the 45th State."

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Flag needs updating

Flag needs to be replaced with new flag Okbamtheman (talk) 02:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

It's not the new flag until the Governor signs it into law. ––FormalDude (talk) 06:22, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Updating now is premature, but when/if the governor signs the bill the page will need a bit of an overhaul.

How should we go about drafting the update so it can be published in a timely manner? Bsa25 (talk) 16:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Due to the official bill being signed into law on March 9th, I believe a new page (or a highly updated one) is due to occur. Although we have time as the new flag won’t be used until 2024. As mentioned how should we continue with creating a new page. DastardlyGorgeous (talk) 02:37, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The existing article has been updated to include the new flag and outline its current and future status. There's no need for a different article, but this one will continue to be updated as necessary. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 13:05, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Updating it when the time comes to have the new flag and just have a section on the previous flags is all that's needed. Just like was done with Mississippi. sion8 ^{Contributions | Tᴀʟᴋ ᴘᴀɢᴇ} 01:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

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Historic Flag

The 'historic flag' isn't just a term - it remains an official Utah State Flag that can be used as such, in specific situations for governmental business (See Utah Code 63G-1-503)

We have a bit of a back and forth. Given that it remains an official State Flag, I think it ought to be included as that. Pressue (talk) 07:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Missed the actual important part- The historic flag can be used as the state flag in all situations that a citizen deems appropriate. Pressue (talk) 07:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Historical flag, new flag not the same dimensions?

The new flag is in a 3:5 ratio. Is the historical flag 5:8? That's asserted to be what it was always produced at; I want to see if there are sources to confirm. —C.Fred (talk) 21:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Look at the statue. The images of the Historic Flag are 3:5. Prior to this, there has never been any designation in the statute on any ratio. The statute still does not so specify any ratio. Daikaisho (talk) 04:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)