Talk:Islamic Republic of Iran Army

Islamic Republic of Iran Army Day was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 27 November 2015 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Islamic Republic of Iran Army. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Why has this article been split in two?

Why has the vast majority of this article been separated into another one with a different title? What little is left of it does not make much sense. Especially not the last part, which is "and has four separate forces: Ground Force, Air Force, Navy and Air Defense Force." Someone seems to have mistaken the word army for armed forces. They don't mean the same thing.

What little is left of the Islamic Republic of Iran Army article is so short, that it is not worth keeping as a separate article. I suggest putting the two parts back together in one article. What do others think of doing this? --Dreddmoto (talk) 16:09, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Dreddmoto: Because they are different entities. The word army in the 'Islamic Republic of Iran Army' does not refer to a military branch that fights on land, but refers to a military consisting of 4 branches, including Ground Force (that fights on land, actually). Iran has two parallel militaries, Artesh or 'Islamic Republic of Iran Army' (with 4 branches) and the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution or Sepah, having its own 5 military branches. Together with the Law Enforcement Force (Police), these 3 form the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran. So, Islamic Republic of Iran Army (Under command of General Ataollah Salehi) is part of Iran's Armed Forces (Under command of General Hassan Firouzabadi), and Ground Force (Under command of General Ahmad Reza Pourdastan) is one of its branches, just like the Air Force. I hope it explains the reason that they should have seperate articles. Pahlevun (talk) 17:56, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Pahlevun: That does not really explain it. The main point that I am making is that in English, the word army does not mean armed forces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_forces in general. It means a military branch that fights on land. See the first part of the article here Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army It does not mean all the armed forces of a state.

Does the word army does mean armed forces in general, in Farsi? It seems to me, that may be the reason why you split the article in two. Am I correct? --Dreddmoto (talk) 13:50, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Dreddmoto: I think you are missing my point. The relation between these two articles, is the same as the relationship between People's Liberation Army and People's Liberation Army Ground Force. However, Islamic Republic of Iran Army is not the country's armed forces (unlike China's People's Liberation Army), but it is only 1 of 3 subdivisions of Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Artesh in Persian does not refer to land forces, it can be better translated to "military", but "Army" is the common translation for "Artesh". Pahlevun (talk) 14:15, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Pahlevun: This is odd and confusing because if the name 'Islamic Republic of Iran Army' means Iran's main armed forces, separate from the Sepah and police, why have a separate article for them? This is already explained in the Structure section of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran article.

Having this, separate article is therefore, needless repetition. It's unnecessary. --Dreddmoto (talk) 16:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm already done explaining. Pahlevun (talk) 12:17, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest moving Islamic Republic of Iran Army Day to a separate article

The Islamic Republic of Iran Army Day section is a strange thing to include in this article. Army Day is a parade for the Iranian armed forces in general, not just the Islamic Republic of Iran Army.

Considering that it is for Iran's other armed forces as well, it would make more sense to move that section into a separate article titled 'Islamic Republic of Iran Army Day. --Dreddmoto (talk) 16:55, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The most point of this day, is parading in many cities of Iran. the articles categorized as a annual events in Iran. I dont think this maerge can help to wikipedia. We should make Category:Amy days by country. These kind of articles, could be beginning. I suggest save the article and make the category including articles like: Yom Hazikaron, Defender of the Fatherland Day, Veterans' Day UK, Islamic Republic of Iran Army and ... . This is providence.

Also other branches of military of Iran, like Sepah and the police, present in the parade. if you merge the article to Islamic Republic of Iran Army article, you have to ignore the other military forces! We remove valuable information by the merging from Wikipedia!Gire 3pich2005 (talk) 11:49, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Making a category for Amy days by country is a good idea.

Another possibility would be to add that to the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran article.

We should choose one of these suggestions. Which one? --Dreddmoto (talk) 17:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Gire 3pich2005: We can start Category:Armed forces days by country including Islamic Republic of Iran Army Day, as well as those others that you mentioned. --Dreddmoto (talk) 13:49, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest moving Islamic Republic of Iran Army Day to the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran article

The Islamic Republic of Iran Army Day section could be removed from this article and made part of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran article. That would make more sense because it involves the Iranian armed forces in general, not just the Islamic Republic of Iran Army.

What do others think of this? --Dreddmoto (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree Shahab199 (talk) 11:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]