Talk:List of professional wrestling world champions

WCW International title

There's very few credible sources who consider this a true world title. Plus its mentioned nowhere else on the page. To list it for Flair and Sting alone is spurious and meaningless. oknazevad (talk) 16:31, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Ring of Honor?

Have they gained enough international credibility to warrant inclusion in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.137.144 (talk) 00:11, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

It's Ring of Honor (I fixed the header). And no, while they call theirs a world title, (as does everyone) the company isn't even really a national promotion (no national TV deal; only airs in syndication on a few channels owned by the broadcaster that owns the promotion, which doesn't even include any top ten markets; travels only to a few cities; does not promote internationally at all). The are just an indy with some good rep from a few notable up-and-comers some years back (all of whom moved on to true national promotions). If you need opinion other than mine as arguement, Pro Wrestling Illustrated has never given the RoH title recognition of world status, either. oknazevad (talk) 04:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

PWI isn't the end all-be all. ROH is owned by a billion dollar media conglomerate (Sinclair Broadcasting Group) that owns hundreds on stations nationwide (most of which air ROH). They are a national promotion, and their titles have been defended overseas. Their title is a World title. They are above indy status. Not saying thy're WWE level or anything, but they are a cut (or two) above the typical indy.(talk) Vjmlhds 20:48, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

ROH did in fact make it to national TV when they were on HD Net in 2009 and 2010. HD Net wanted to do other things, Sinclair came into the picture, and here we are today. Point being is that ROH did pass the (air quotes) threshold of being on a nationwide cable network in '09 when they were on HD Net, so their top title should be recognized as a World title. (talk) Vjmlhds 23:10, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Titles

I miss some championships in the table that I can see in World heavyweight championship (professional wrestling) If the second article talks about the WHC, I imagine that this article must have the same list of championships. Also, the name of the article should be List of Professional wrestling World Heavyweight Champions. No? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

No. First off, "world heavyweight championship" is a generic noun, and shouldn't be capitalized. Secondly, the over-long list at World heavyweight championship (professional wrestling) includes many titles that are in no way actually world-class, but just some small insignificant Indy promotions that never leave their home cities. Anyone can call their title a world title, and a lot of insignificant minor promotions do, but that does not mean they actually has anything resembling major recongnition. That is why a key for this article is needed, and why I reverted your removal of the list of titles here. To be frank, the other article is such junk that it needs to be redone completely. oknazevad (talk) 05:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

As you can see, in the talk page and the project we discussed about what is a World Championship. As you can see, the page says "The world heavyweight championship is the name given to certain championships in professional wrestling. Although various professional wrestling promotions have used the term "world heavyweight championship", it is almost exclusively used as a moniker for the top championship in wrestling organizations." We never see that indy championships can't be a WHC. Also, some of them had been defended around the world, like the CZW Title or the PWG title (also, I think that some titles, like the CMLL Title, never was defended outside Mexico.). If you want, I think that the better idea is talking (again) with the wikiproject, but we discusses this a few months ago. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

And that discussion clearly show a no consensus, nor can I take seriously a bloating expansion spearheaded by a contributor who actually tried to remove the WWE Championship (!?!?).

Truth is, limiting the list here and there to the top titles of companies that have (or had) national television exposure in their respective home countries is a clear, objective way to ensure notability while maintaining neutrality. That's the problem with just putting up every minor promotion that puts "world" in their title's name; a dirtsheet's website reprinting routine coverage of the results supplied by an Indy does nothing to establish notability. It is routine coverage regurgitating non-independent sourcing.

And amongst Indys, it's very common for wrestlers to appear at different shows toting their belts, so a CZW guy showing up at card promoted by another Indy does not mean anything. And you couldn't have picked a worse example than PWG, as they don't even have a distinct belt design, simply using a generic, off-the-shelf Indy belt. These are exactly the sort of promotions that don't belong here. oknazevad (talk) 17:01, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

In that case, I'll open a discussion in the project. if you want, you can participate. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:19, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Should more world titles be considered?

I found this article on professional wrestling world heavyweight champions and I am thinking that this list should be expanded to include more professional wrestling world championships as entailed in the article I have linked. Thoughts?

LINK = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_heavyweight_championship_(professional_wrestling)

We are talking about in the Wikiproject talk page. I think that the article will be delete and redirect to Championship (professional wrestling) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Redirect

The many problems with this article have previously been discussed on this page, and later became a lengthy discussion on WP:PW. There, the popular resolution was to make this and the original WHC article redirects. This was a popular idea there, however Y2Jaholic and two IPs have reverted the redirect. Although this has been talked to practically to death, Oknazevad is correct that before we enter into an edit war with no end we should have a discussion here, on the page level. Who is opposed to the redirect and who is in support?LM2000 (talk) 01:10, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Support redirecting; the scope of this and World heavyweight championship (professional wrestling) are just too potentially contentious, and it's not like a "world" championship really represents being the best wrestler (as defined by a legitimate physical fight) in the world. (Especially since we all know CM Punk is the best in the world). All championships are storytelling devices. Their histories are influential in their storyline importance, but there's no real qualification of what is a recognized world title, no definitive list. So we shouldn't claim there is. oknazevad (talk) 02:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Support. Get rid of this ongoing headache once and for all (and "Daniel" Bryan Danielson, not CM Punk, is the best in the world). 99.43.175.19 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Support redirect. We talked about for weeks and I think that, the ebst solution is redirect both articles to Championship (pro wrestling). --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:09, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Support, the article was a magnet for original research. McPhail (talk) 18:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Nice. 4 votes. Redirect now? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:48, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

5... Five... FIVE... FIVE... FIVE! Support redirect to championship (professional wrestling) Starship.paint (talk) 03:41, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 26 April 2014

Redirect to Professional wrestling championship - currently a double redirect. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 03:56, 26 April 2014 (UTC).
03:56, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Done --Redrose64 (talk) 12:06, 26 April 2014 (UTC)