Talk:Maxim Dlugy

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

"Max"

After "Maxim (Max) Dlugy is a Grandmaster of chess.", the article later states that he "Dislikes having his first name shortened to "Max"". I'll assume the trivia is true, and remove the bracketed Max, but if anyone knows better please fix it. 82.45.40.4 (talk) 19:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

"Arrest and Acquittal(?)"

Seem like important topics for a bio, but omitted here. See his bio on chessgames.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.103.173 (talk) 16:43, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Early development

The article says, "He was only an average player for his age until he shot up in strength in the early 1980s." But on the December 1978 USCF rating list, when Dlugy was 12 years old, he had a provisional rating in the 1500's. The following year, he was 1989, and the year after that, 2209. So the expression "average ... for his age" is a poor choice, and "early 1980s" is only half right.

The reason I haven't just gone and fixed this is because I am also tempted to just remove it. Details of a player's early rating progress, unless he wins major prizes or achieves other distinctions, are usually of little interest. Or so it seems to me -- I am open to suggestions. Bruce leverett (talk) 03:16, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

It isn't cited, and the evidence you uncovered suggests that it isn't correct either. Removing it would be good. Thanks for researching this. Quale (talk) 04:25, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Patronymic or no?

He's certainly known as Maxim Alexandrovich in Russia, and on his birth certificate. Probably on his passport too. It's just that "Maxim Alexandrovich Dlugy" gets hardly any google hits. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

The cited source was from Russia, but it never specified his full name including patronymic. To me this suggests that he may have discouraged them from doing so.

Dlugy has lived in the United States for more than 40 years, since he was 11 years old. Why would we presume that he uses Eastern Slavic name conventions any more? Especially in the absence of sources? Why would we even assume that his passport mentions the patronymic?

I admit, though, I haven't found guidance about this in MOS:BIRTHNAME. MOS:PATRONYMIC exists but doesn't mention Slavic patronymics. Bruce leverett (talk) 15:35, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Loss to TrickyMate

This anecdote is sourced by one article in the boy's home town newspaper and two YouTube videos. That doesn't add up to much in reliable sources. Is there some reason to consider that this incident needs to be mentioned in Dlugy's biography? I suppose that every day Grandmasters lose games to little kids on the Web. And I suppose it is not unusual for such an incident to get a lot of views. Bruce leverett (talk) 23:10, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

"Magnus Carlson attribution"

In September, 2022, after resigning to Max Niemann on the second move of a tournament, Magnus credited Max Dlugy as a strong mentor for the junior player's impressive play. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.55.239.82 (talk) 01:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

A very much tongue in cheek comment. Given:

1 Carlsen's implication (at the very least) that Neimann cheated and

2 The fact that Dlugy was banned form Chess.com for cheating

The comment 'I think his mentor Maxim Dlugy must be doing a great job' (Guardian article 'the people who voice chess cheats 23rd September 2022)

takes on an entirely different meaning - and one what is not complimentary towards Dlugy. Docksider (talk) 13:56, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Any content about this topic needs to be written very carefully in accordance with WP:BLP policy, and referenced to the highest quality reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 02:47, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Re-added it with citations, should be fine for BLP. Also added the Ivanov scandal because it was missing from this page. jonas (talk) 20:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the material about the Ivanov scandal.

However, the sources cited about Dlugy do not substantiate the claim. All three of them are from the last few days, and they all say, "Dlugy was accused of cheating in a Titled Tuesday in 2017 ..." We need a source, if there is one, that is a secondary source about the particular Titled Tuesday event. In the absence of something like that, we can't be saying "In 2017, Dlugy was suspected of having cheated himself in a Titled Tuesday online tournament ..." Bruce leverett (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

A recent article in Vice substantiates the claim. A citation of the Vice article has been added to Maxim Dlugy in the last few hours -- thanks to the anonymous editor. Bruce leverett (talk) 01:01, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Chess Grandmaster Maxim Dlugy Admitted to Cheating on Chess.com, Emails Show

Article from Vice. Endwise (talk) 18:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Chess Max Academy

@Usedtobecool: I feel a disconnect between removing the claim that Dlugy operates Chess Max Academy, because it is "unsourced", and linking to the official website of Chess Max Academy in the "External links" section.

The most natural thing to use for a source would be that website. It is not, by the usual standards, a reliable secondary source. Searching for "Chess Max Academy" with Google, I didn't find any of those, except, of course, the Vice article, which undoubtedly copied that tidbit from Wikipedia. I think the official website should be considered "reliable" in the sense that it is safe to infer from it that the academy exists. It doesn't establish notability, but that doesn't particularly bother me in this situation. If it bothers you, there's this link, which is old and out of date, but plainly indicates notability. Bruce leverett (talk) 04:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

This articles appears to have a history of what seems to be WP:COI editing. I am uncomfortable enabling that by linking to the subject's business that has not been covered by independent sources. The about page is very promotional (to be expected) and doesn't mention Dlugy. So, I am not sure which page does. The real estate piece is very promotional too. If we can verify that "the academy is run by Dlugy" and that "it has locations in New York and Connecticut" using any reliable source other than Vice, even if primary and/promotional, I would be okay with adding the claim back not in the lead, as a compromise. IIRC, someone anonymously added largely incoherent and promotional claims and you copyedited it into the sentence in question. So, I assume, without sources, you are not even in a position to say definitively that it's true. Personally, I would address the disconnect by simply removing the spammy link from EL section. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

The experience of having my words copied verbatim into an article in Vice reminded me that working on Wiki articles can sometimes put you unexpectedly under a magnifying glass. I agree that the Chess Max Academy website is not something that we really want to cite. However, I see the "Personal life" sections of biography articles as a place where citations of promotional material are often hard to avoid. So the compromise you suggested is reasonable. The main page states clearly that Dlugy runs the outfit, and shows a photo of him (with a student and the student's mother). But I will keep looking for something better, for a while. Bruce leverett (talk) 14:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I was able to find a legitimate source to cite. But I also cited the Chess Max Academy website, which supports the statement about locations in Manhattan and Connecticut. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Lawsuit by Niemann

@BrownHairedGirl: The bare URL being cited is a lawsuit. It looks funny to me to be citing a primary source, but I'll let it pass if there's nothing better. Is there a template for citing lawsuits? I didn't see anything I liked in Citation templates. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bruce leverett: if there is no specific template, just use {{cite web}}. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)