Talk:Nayib Bukele

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Early political career	30	41,498
Mayor of Nuevo Cuscatlán	5,068	5,068
Mayor of San Salvador	12,611	12,611
Troll Center case	4,279	4,279
Expulsion from the FMLN	8,182	8,182
2019 presidential election	11,328	11,328
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Inaugurations	4,323	4,323
Crime	4,417	53,714
Territorial Control Plan	14,177	14,177
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Adoption of bitcoin	14,457	14,457
Economic Plan	5,703	5,703
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Relations with China	4,256	4,256
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Municipal and legislative reductions	8,801	8,801
2024 re-election campaign	24,419	24,419
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Religion	3,888	3,888
Honors	1,371	1,371
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Central American unity	6,567	6,567
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This sentence makes no sense

From 2006 to 2010, Bukele was the president of Nölck, for which we previously worked for.

(Is that supposed to say "which HE previously worked for"? If so, why was it also not listed as his previous employment? Makes no sense.) Jimindc (talk) 14:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Presidency number

@Richie1509: Do you have a source which says he is the 60th president? Source 61^[1] published on 7 June 2019 states that there had been 81 presidents, thus, Bukele is the 81st. You can't say "There is no source" when there is a source saying so in the body and then change it without a source. The only place i can find that says he's the 60th is Spanish Wikipedia's article, and Wikipedia is not a source (it's unsourced there anyway). Thanks. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 22:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Spanish Wikipedia, he is the 60th president. Here's the link: Nayib Bukele Richie1509 (talk) 00:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, OK Richie1509 (talk) 00:28, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But what if some of those presidents are interim or acting, it could be possible. Richie1509 (talk) 00:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find another source that gave a number other than 81. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 01:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please update the presidential list on the page President of El Salvador then as it only gave 43 rather than 81. Richie1509 (talk) 04:37, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Las Singularidades de los Presidentes de El Salvador" [The Singularities of the Presidents of El Salvador]. YouTube (in Spanish). Channel 12. 7 June 2019. Retrieved 25 July 2024.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nayib Bukele/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: PizzaKing13 (talk · contribs) 23:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: DeadlyRampage26 (talk · contribs) 00:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll do this review. It is a fairly long article so it will probably take a few weeks to review.DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 00:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Prose is understandable to a broad audience. Appropriate number of wikilinks which do a good part to supplement this. Upon running prose through a few different spelling and grammar checker the prose seems to be fine, and I have fixed a few of the minor errors myself.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Lead section is decent, was concerned at first about the length, but upon reading MOS guidelines and considering the length of the entire prose, it seems appropriate. Lead section also provides a good overview of his political positions and philosophy, which is what most are here for. Layout complies with guidelines. Complies with the other MOS guidelines
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Layout of references does indeed comply with the guidelines.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Each paragraph does have relevant citations and they are in the correct places respective to the article. Source spot check results I spot checked source 63, this source claims that the inauguration took place at the national palace, whilst the article states it happened at a plaza. Spot checks also conducted on sources 223 and 39 and about 4 others, which all came back good.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Source 10 may be a primary source (?) as its directly from a government page. Cant see any other primaries.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	No plagiarism as evident by 2 different detectors.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	I would say that the information is in scope.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Wondering if maybe there should be a 'Presidency of Nayib Bukele' page in which some of the more government-wide information could be moved to and simply summarised here? That may not be needed ill need to consult more with guidelines.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.

Questions

Ok, so first question is why are there so damn many spanish translations in the body? where is that required and does it need to really be after every single phrase he said? DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 00:53, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE, translations are only included when the text is not already in English, ie I translated it myself from an article in Spanish PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 03:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok thanks man DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 09:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive Recommendations List

There is a lot of 'which' as the operative. Examples would include 'which launched', 'which made' etc that grammar checkers are recommending change to 'that'.

I've changed every instance to "that" or reworded sentences to eliminate which. The only instance left is in the first sentence of the lead "[...] and the left-wing Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front (FMLN), of which Bukele had previously been a member". PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 16:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks man DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 22:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As per Words to Watch, I would recommend changing words like 'said' to something different. MOS:SAID, MOS:OP-ED DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 07:32, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to this shortly. I didn't realize "said" was used 46 times. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 16:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed all but 6 instances of "said", where those 6 instances are about him physically saying something so to me it makes sense in context. MOS:SAID doesn't say we need to completely avoid "said", so I think just these 6 are fine. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 18:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yep no need to completely eliminate all of them, it was just a bit overused. Thanks DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 20:10, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DeadlyRampage26: The National Palace is in the Gerardo Barrios Plaza, but I still changed it to National Palace. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 08:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks man. Just wanted to apologise for not being as active in this review as you may have wanted. Ill try speed things up a bit. Ill do a bit more now. DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 10:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Language course

Why does every other quote have a bracketed Spanish version added? Other articles don't do this. Perhaps OK if the translation might be controversial, but surely very little is gained by explaining:

"impossible" ("imposible") 2A02:AA1:1046:3775:25B4:5BAC:73F5:E081 (talk) 15:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 17:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Las Singularidades de los Presidentes de El Salvador" [The Singularities of the Presidents of El Salvador]. YouTube (in Spanish). Channel 12. 7 June 2019. Retrieved 25 July 2024.

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