Talk:Reformation in Zürich

Christian-denomination-stub on 21 January 2015 started

Hi, honestly are Chritian related topics not my 'core', but started the Christian-denomination-stub Reformation in Zürich, as imho 'relatively' important related to the Reformation in Switzerland as well to the history of Zürich. Thank for taking notice, hoping some more enganged and Christian history experienced Wikipedians may correct (many) mistakes and good faith missinterpretions in context and in general. Thank you, and kindly regards, Roland zh (talk) 04:18, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Update/corrections of 10 October 2015, literature etc

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People have been fixing things, but some word uses are too difficult to figure out without your help.

imperial representans - is this some formal definition or is this a simple misspelling of 'representatives'?

"Memorial measurements in Zürich usually had to be held until the 14th century at Grossmünster, because thus the most income was achieved." - you mention funerals in the next sentence, so 'memorial' must have something to do with funerals. But what is a "Memorial measurement"? Some kind of monetary donation to the church? Some kind of death tax? Inheritance tax?

"... and to service the lost of the first generation reformers." Huh? To give money to the 'list' of the reformers? Oh, "... the last of the ..."?

There are other strange parts that are hard to read, but I've got to quit for now. Could you look at the above notes, and also at my edits here?

I'd like to come back and ask about a couple of other parts. If I can figure out 'lost' vs. 'last', maybe I will be able to suggest what you might have meant? And maybe ask intelligent questions?

Oh, and I read your article because I was trying to understand the "Zürich council". They sound like they became crazy! Why did they have so much power? How could they presume/assume to rule on matters of religion? Do you know of an article that describes the council during those times? Definitely not laissez-faire! :-)

Shenme (talk) 03:12, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

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Dear Shenme, allowed to move your notes to the related wiki Reformation in Zürich so other interested people may participate who probably will be more experienced to answer some of your questions.

Nevertheless, thank you very much for your improvements and needful corrections i appreciate very much :-))

imperial representans > representatives, you're right; honestly, forgot to check, again, my terrible grammar and spelling.

"Memorial measurements", as you remarked, is in fact pointing to funerals, but also to messes, memorials, marriages, baptisms, and especially indulgences, respectively all religious parts of the the medieval live in Zürich, for that usually the Zürich people had to pay monetary donations to the Grossmünster priests who practiced that individual 'measurements'.

"... and to service the lost of the first generation reformers." one of my many bad formulations that will be occasionally fixed, as well some others so there's time to do so in a much serious manner as i did starting that tiny wiki usually not my focus on EN-WP.

Your question related to related Wikipedia articles: imho theare are none Zürich-related within EN-WP, most likely de:Brunsche Zunftverfassung on German DE-WP, and literature maybe Bruce Gordon. The Swiss Reformation. University of Manchester Press, 2002. ISBN 978-0-7190-5118-0.

But, as far as i know, there's also no dedicated English literature related to the Zürich council (Rat) respectively the Zünfte of Zürich that dominated the people's life in the city and canton of Zürich between 1336 and 1798, and the decades before 1336 AD. Even in German language, there's just a handful of related literature, p.e. by Sigmund Widmer, a former Zürich mayor and historian: Zürich. Eine Kulturgeschichte. 13 volumes. Artemis, Zürich 1975–1986, ISBN 3-7608-0399-7, or by Otto Sigg, Riccardo Jagmetti et.al.: Zunftherrlichkeit 1336–1798. 650 Jahre Zürcher Zünfte, 1336–1986 published by Zentralkomitee der Zünfte Zürichs, and Walter Baumann: Zürcher Sechseläuten, Constaffel und die 25 Zünfte. Verlag NZZ, Zürich 1992, ISBN 3-85823-355-2.

All your questions and input is very appreciated, but honestly, i'm not as intelligent and not as fluent in English to answer particullarly related to the religious or legal history of Switzerland respectively even to that period of Zürich's people life.

As far as i know, the people's life in Zürich, the Reformation period excepted, was not so much more regulated than in other Swiss or even medieval European towns, as the people's life primarly was dominated/limited by religious and municipal laws. Zürich for example had for the time before 1336 AD a 'municipal law' called de:Richtebrief, and the years after the French Revolution became not much less regulated by the municipal authorities. but that's my personal opinion, of course.

For the time being, thanking you very much to spend so much time with that tiny wiki (and btw imho the medieval Zürich council was crazy ;-)), and kindly regards from Zürich, Roland zh (talk) 21:02, 11 October 2015 (UTC)