Talk:Taqi Yazdi

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This bit of information on his article : " On the issue of slavery Mesbah Yazdi said:

Today, too, if there’s a war between us and the infidels, we’ll take slaves. The ruling on slavery hasn’t expired and is eternal. We’ll take slaves and we’ll bring them to the world of Islam and have them stay with Muslims. We’ll guide them, make them Muslims and then return them to their countries.^[1]^[2]

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Source 40 and 41 are not from Mesbah Yazdi writings neither has been verified, the interviewee who pretends he said such things didn't precise sources, furthermore both are the same sources in different languages. In consequence, i removed that assertion as it clearly seems manipulative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.193.169.243 (talk) 07:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent changes

I added subject headings and reorged text under them. I think this adds clarity. I added a few cites and some material. I need to come back and consolidate the refs. Elizmr 17:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To Be Frank but Polite

I deleted all bad words from discussion page. farhoudk 05 December 2006

Thanks. I could not understand all of them, but the ones I could understand were clearly inappropriate. Elizmr 22:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

cite needed tags

Someone placed "cite needed" tags in sentences that are referenced already. This is not appropraite editing. Please see WP:CITE Elizmr 23:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV tag

Could someone please say why the NPOV tag has been placed? Please read WP:NPOV before replying if you haven't already. Elizmr 23:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Elizmr

Thank you for your comments. Please be advised that:

1. Issuing a Fatwa can be done by a mufti or Marja only, but he is none of them.

2. Returning back to the values of the 1979 Islamic Revolution: He was not a serious supporter for the Islamic revolution before it and after it until the end of life of Ayatollah Khomeini. In fact it is an election propaganda made by partisans of his party to show him being revolutionary clergy, but only after the revolution! His opinions about Islamic state is completely different with the ideas of Ayatollah Khomeini. please see religious democracy.

3. Mohsen Gharavian is correct not the name mentioned in the article.

4. Decisions about use of Nukes is not in the hands of the president in Iran but it is up to decisions of Supreme Leader who is commander-in-chief according to Iranian constitution.

I regret to say that the writer of this article is in political and religious bias.

farhoudk 5:30, 06 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for answering. I'm not disagreeing with you, but in order to meet Wikipedia standards we need to rely on sources conforming with WP:V. If you have cites (preferably in English so readers can refer to them and evaluate) to support what you are saying above, please it to the article so we can achive NPOV on this article. Obviously, what is here is only part of the truth. Elizmr 22:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He is not introduced as a Marja yet enabling him to issue any fatwa: The best reference for this is his official web site with following address. http://www.mesbahyazdi.org/ There is not any resalah known to be related to him. And since he is mainly a philosopher ^[3] and not a faqih, it will never become a reality in the future. The word fatwa should not be used to express his ideas.

I can't read in Farsi. However, I found nothing on his English Website stating that he is not trained in Islam. 2+2=5 is false. This person has spent a lifetime on Islam.--Patchouli 19:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence for his involvement in the 1979 Islamic revolution of Iran exept being student in Qom city. No jail, no exile, no torture by SAVAK, no declaration against Shah etc. exist in his biography in his web site.

The values of 1979 Islamic revolution: This term is not defined in the article. No body can underestand if it is relates to good things or bad things!

Farhoudk 20:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mesbah Yazdi is highly qualified to issue fatwas.--Patchouli 19:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Transcript of TV interview with Dr. Soroush by Dariush Sajjadi, Broadcast, Homa TV, 9 March 2006 Retrieved 15 July 2009
^ see also "متن مصاحبه داريوش سجادی با دکتر سوش". Dr. Soroush. Retrieved 7 March 2008.(in Persian)
^ http://www.mesbahyazdi.org/english/index.htm

Professor Crocodile

I think it would be good to give the actual cartoon a place on the page. Here is one site that claims to have the cartoon [1]. There may be others, but the point is that if we can get an good-to-use image of the cartoon, it would add a lot to that section. The Behnam 19:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

File:Mesbah temsah.jpg

Nikahang Kowsar was arrested for his depiction of "Professor Crocodile", a reptilian academic who was shown strangling a journalist with his tail. The cartoon has been interpreted as a reference to Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, leader of fundamentalism in Iran

Here it is --Rayis 00:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-- Could we move this under "Controversies"? I doubt he has adopted this as his nickname! Thanks :) TheSophy (talk) 06:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Slavery and Agression in Islam

This reference (#14) to the fact that Ayatollah Mesbah supports slavery and agression in Islam is no longer available (the link cannot be displayed). I have never heard this about him, and it sounds more like something political opponents want to accuse him of. Yes he is a radical fundementalist, but to support slavery would be a huge jump. If any further reference to this fact cannot be found, it should be removed, or marked as no reference (i dont know how to do that) 69.235.25.79 (talk) 23:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the aggreesion part but apparently he has had something to say on slavery.

‘Today, too, if there’s a war between us and the infidels, we’ll take slaves. The ruling on slavery hasn’t expired and is eternal. We’ll take slaves and we’ll bring them to the world of Islam and have them stay with Muslims.^[1]^[2]

--BoogaLouie (talk) 22:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Transcript of TV interview with Dr. Soroush by Dariush Sajjadi, Broadcast on Homa TV on 9 March 2006 accessed 7-15-2009
^ see also "متن مصاحبه داريوش سجادی با دکتر سوش". drsoroush.com. Retrieved 2008-03-07.(in Persian)

Section "His Role in 2009 Presidential Election" needs to be rewritten or deleted

It is ridiculously POV, it contains unsourced claims (like the conspiration against Rafsanjani), and it is written in bad English. --Azazell0 (talk) 01:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rewriting

Have attempted to rewrite parts of the article including the 2009 Presidential Election section, adding citations and deleting unsourced claims and repetition. --BoogaLouie (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The text is better now (thanks BoogaLouie), but the sources for this section are still poor. Roozonline, by the looks of it, is an iranian expat website. Furthermore, the text of the Fatwa being quoted says nothing about "manipulating" the results of an election, merely that people shouldn't vote for an "unislamic" candidate. The call for the murder of Mir Hossein Mousavi is also hard to believe. Yazdi isn't a Marja' (source of religious authority in Shi'ite Islam) and therefore *can't* issue a fatwa. Can someone either find a better source for these details or remove them from the text altogether? TheSophy (talk) 06:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:

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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Transcript of TV interview with Dr. Soroush by Dariush Sajjadi, Broadcast, Homa TV, 9 March 2006 Retrieved 15 July 2009

[2] see also "متن مصاحبه داريوش سجادی با دکتر سوش". Dr. Soroush. Retrieved 7 March 2008.(in Persian)

[3] ttp://www.mesbahyazdi.org/english/index.htm

[4] Transcript of TV interview with Dr. Soroush by Dariush Sajjadi, Broadcast on Homa TV on 9 March 2006 accessed 7-15-2009

[5] see also "متن مصاحبه داريوش سجادی با دکتر سوش". drsoroush.com. Retrieved 2008-03-07.(in Persian)

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