Template:Did you know nominations/Farrah Fawcett’s red swimsuit poster
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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Farrah Fawcett red swimsuit poster
Farrah Fawcett in 1977
... that the Farrah Fawcett red swimsuit poster hangs in the National Museum of American History together with the swimsuit?ALT1:... that the Farrah Fawcett red swimsuit poster is considered the best-selling poster to date?
- Comment: My first article in the English Wikipedia. It is a translation of the German article which was also written by me. Too bad, we cannot use the Fair use image on the main page.
Created by Redrobsche (talk). Self-nominated at 19:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC).
Attractive, well-sourced, - thank you! On good sources, offline sources accepted AGF. As we may not use the poster, I'd prefer the ALT, but could we describe a bit why? - I have a few questions regarding the article and its title, some need to be done, others just suggestion. Title: none of the sources uses that title, so why should we? I don't see "red" in a header, just "Swimsuit poster", probably capital as the name of one specific poster. Also, it doesn't belong to her, and she didn't make it, so why possessive? How about Farrah Fawcett Swimsuit poster. Even if it stays as it is, it will have to be moved because it's the wrong quotation mark for the English Wikipedia. Article: I miss an infobox, because at a glance it looks like a Faucett biography. {{infobox artwork}}, perhaps? - In the article, one thing that has to change is "we see" and "one" (man). "we" is a no-no-word in the English Wikipedia, DYK? - Perhaps read the article loud to yourself, checking for singular-plural match, word repetition, vocabulary ("assures herself"?) and such things. I confess to not understand the Monroe comparison, please try harder there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 6 August 2020 (UTC)- ps: Even if you move the article, don't move this template! Just adjust in the hook, and a friend will do the rest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Gerda, I deleted the "'s" from the title but I leaved the "red" in it. Chadwick Roberts writes "Farrah Fawcett’s ‘‘red swimsuit’’ poster" when he starts to speaking about it. There are several other websites that uses "red". I looked at the articles in the Category:Color photographs and there are many that have no infobox. Infoboxes are not used in the German Wikipedia as often as they are used here and I'm not a fan of them in most cases. So I would prefer to leave it out. I reformulated some of the sentences in the article (for example the Monroe part) and corrected some typos. I do not speak English at a near native level, so it would be very nice if you would change the mistakes you find yourself.
- Thank you for explaining. A nominator's wishes are important to me. No need to say anything about the German Wikipedia here, - this is different. Thank you for moving, - I adjusted the hooks.
- Mandarax, can you please work the article-was-moved-magic?
- The article needs more copy-editing, but I'm not the right person. I'm also German, + not familiar with the topic. Not sure whom to ask. I'll do a round of ce, and then please check if it still means what you want. If you don't want an infobox, please make sure that all information expected there is in the lead: taken when, by whom, commissioned by whom, sales. Description: do you think someone blind reading the description would expect the photo to be as it is? I miss, for example, that her right hand is not in it, nor feet, and a description of the blanket. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Done. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you! Redrobsche, I did my round, - possibly too much to still review, but if someone thinks so, they can do the review ;) - I also linked the article a few times, so people watching the other articles (company, designer, Charlie's Angels, some others) may see it's there, and work on it. Most of the other mentionings didn't have "red", by the way. - I read somewhere that it first appeared in Life & Style (magazine), - should that be mentioned? I feel that "Analysis" is too much one person's view, - are there others? - One more: should the article mention "known for Charlie's Angels" played later"? ... because we should not expect readers to know who she is, iconic poster or not. - See you tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Next day. I wonder if we could combine the hooks:
- ALT2: ... that the iconic 1976 red swimsuit poster of Farrah Fawcett (pictured), regarded as the best-selling poster, is exhibited in the Smithsonian together with the swimsuit?
- I thought about "red" more, and ask you consider that it suggests a "red red" (such as in the American flag) while the wonderful feature of the poster is that the colour of the fabric with her skin color (which is not mentioned, yet), instead of standing out and taking away from the focus on her face. I suggest to add that her body fills most of the poster, cropped, and that she sits like on a meadow or blanket, not like on a chair, also cropped. Perhaps we should also mention that the swimsuit has no other color and decoration, - it's plain and restrained. Other idea: use a pic of Fawcett which is free, in the article and perhaps even in a hook, because - again - we should not rely on people having heard her name. I talked to younger people yesterday (German and American) who never heard it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- I added a picture of Fawcett to the article and to the nomination. I added some infos to the description and mentioned Charlie's Angels in the publication section. I have found no additional analyse of the poster and I didn't find something about the "Life & Style magazine". Redrobsche (talk) 13:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you, - you did a lot! You need to put (pictured) in a hook supposed to be pictured, - just look at other hooks to see how. I guess it needs to be rephrased to mention Fawcett. Best try one, and let me check. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Done. I consider your hook as the best one, so I crossed mine out. Redrobsche (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Anybody not liking me approving "my" hook, please endorse, or not. I'd say that the facts are just a combination of the two others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Done. I consider your hook as the best one, so I crossed mine out. Redrobsche (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you, - you did a lot! You need to put (pictured) in a hook supposed to be pictured, - just look at other hooks to see how. I guess it needs to be rephrased to mention Fawcett. Best try one, and let me check. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- I added a picture of Fawcett to the article and to the nomination. I added some infos to the description and mentioned Charlie's Angels in the publication section. I have found no additional analyse of the poster and I didn't find something about the "Life & Style magazine". Redrobsche (talk) 13:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Done. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Gerda, I deleted the "'s" from the title but I leaved the "red" in it. Chadwick Roberts writes "Farrah Fawcett’s ‘‘red swimsuit’’ poster" when he starts to speaking about it. There are several other websites that uses "red". I looked at the articles in the Category:Color photographs and there are many that have no infobox. Infoboxes are not used in the German Wikipedia as often as they are used here and I'm not a fan of them in most cases. So I would prefer to leave it out. I reformulated some of the sentences in the article (for example the Monroe part) and corrected some typos. I do not speak English at a near native level, so it would be very nice if you would change the mistakes you find yourself.
