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Some Viennese Biscuits, to keep you fed on your journey
Hey, Alison, I've just seen all the "have a good trip" messages, and have discovered that we're going to have to do without you for a few weeks. :-( Hope you have a great holiday. Thanks for your support and for all your friendliness and helpfulness on Wikipedia. Do hurry back to us — we'll miss you! ElinorD(talk)23:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up Alison. I added my rationale and thoughts. I knew this photo would take some explaining, discussion and be the subject of talk pages, so I don't mind. Dave --David Shankbone00:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Dreadful Freudian slip of the week award, there, David. LOL!! I've just replied over there. I've no issues with the image whatsoever, just about its potential for use in vandalism - Alison☺00:49, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, "Provo". speedy-tagged. That's cheeky beyond belief, given that the article was speedied - what - 8 times?? Had to be SALTed eventually - Alison☺01:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not a Provo, I'm just the son of a Provo (actually that's given me a good idea....), count your lucky stars the band (the even more deleted Profound Intent) have now split up apparently! My Old Man's a Provo
Figured you'd like that one, it has needed plenty of work for a while now. There's no point signing up and getting involved in the day-to-day grind when it's easier to work offline as I get far more done this way, plus other editors are largely on the ball for the mundane stuff anyway. My Old Man's a Provo
I'd like to see how that turns out. It's in dire need. I take your point though, although it's a pity there's no attribution, y'know? You deserve credit for the hard work and effort - Alison☺02:17, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
A harassment-free time during the limited time I now spend on Wiki is more important than attribution to me. Oh and if you check the deleted history of South Capitol Recordings (also recreated by User:CrazyJay) you'll find one of the artists on the label was none other than Profound Intent. Shocked? I was.... My Old Man's a Provo
I was kind of worried when I saw i had a new message after the editing war. Yeah, I learned by lesson on keeping my cool, I was going to comment earlier that i had also made the same mistake with the USF colors. Thanks for the suprise. :)--BaRiMzI03:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. You did the exact right thing; didn't break 3RR, kept your cool though you were being insulted, produced evidence. All good :) - Alison☺07:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Wait.. it's Sunday
Aincha supposed to be flown off to the Isle Emerald by now? (Can you tell I'm half-pished? Celebrating my promo at work with some friends) SirFozzie07:19, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
A particular area that I'd like to forget.. I think I will officially "no-comment" that particular discussion ;) 08:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Help!
Hi Alison,
I added a tag for "facts" to the Elphin, County Roscommon article and it created a non-category that contained over 20 pages! "Category:Articles with unsourced statements since July 2007" I need some expert help in sorting this out; sorry about the mess! (Sarah77708:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC))
It's okay. You did nothing wrong at all. It's just that the date rolled over and you were first in the category. I'll sort it out now - Alison☺09:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
My objection to the image is purely one of aesthetics: it's a lousy picture. As far as using it in the article, it's redundant. However else the debate might be famed, those two points should be sufficient to have it removed from the article. Rklawton14:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm done reverting whatever the arguments. It's just not particularly important to me, although I disagree about the lousy picture argument. --David Shankbone17:19, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Bfissa
Hi Alison
There has been an unblock request by Trumpetband who you blocked this morning as a confirmed sockpuppet with checkuser evidence. I couldn't find the case at requests for checkuser but then I can be pretty slow. Can you point me in the right direction? Cheers. SpartazHumbug!19:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey Allie, thank you so much for your message. I have been so very impressed with your pre-admin and admin work on-site and your recent work on the unblock list. I have honestly come to hold your work, opinions, input and insight in very high regard. So, you can imagine how shocked, disheartened and horrified I was when I clicked on this new messages diff, which only showed the corrections you made to your message, and the immediate words "had to get this comment out of my system" and "Anyways - enough!" jumped off the page at me with pure horror! LOL. But thankfully, I decided to find out why I was in such strife and scrolled to the bottom of the page and continued reading your message. :D For the reasons already mentioned, your comments meant a lot and I thank you most sincerely for taking the time to come by my talk page before leaving for your break. I hope you have a fantastic break. You will certainly be missed and I'm sure we shall all be looking forward to seeing you on your return. Thanks again for taking the time to leave your message, it really was, most sincerely, very much appreciated and very valued. With best wishes, Sarah14:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I just noticed your message at the top of the page. I hope you have a very safe trip home and enjoy catching with your family. Cheers, Sarah15:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Just FYI
Unless you live under a rock, you have seen Wikipedia all over the news in the last 3 or 4 days because of the Chris Benoit story. I broke the story that someone posted about his wife's death 14 hours before the bodies were found. That story eventually got picked up by Wikinews and then every media outlet in the English speaking world. I've since received awards from both Wikinews and Wikipedia for my efforts that night. Why am I posting this here? Because on the night I posted about the oddity on Chris Benoit's talk page, I got blocked by someone who claimed it wasn't something that should be discussed here. When I challenged the block, you reviewed it and agreed with the admin who is clearly on the wrong side of history. Yahoo, Fox, ESPN, CNN, MSNBC, Wikinews and every other major media organization in the world agreed with me, while only you agreed with him. I challenge you to take the time to review the events that night and apologize for helping silence someone who was in the middle of breaking the biggest Wikipedia-related story in the website's history. Wesleymullins04:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh dear. It would appear that you have been well and truly trolled, sir. I never declined your unblock. That was someone pretending to be me. The account has been indefinitely blocked for almost a week now. It wasn't me at all, it seems - Alison☺07:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
It might be a good start if you apologized for accusing me in the wrong, and for making some of the most overblown, self-aggrandizing statements that have ever graced my talk page. You'd think that someone as well versed in diffs and edit logs as yourself would have done their homework first before writing the above screed - Alison☺09:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Yikes. Yes, I am sorry. I had no idea someone could pretend to be someone else here. I am not "well versed" in the ways of wikipedia. I am still learning about all this stuff. Why would someone pretend to be someone else? You do understand that if I thought you helped block me why I would have been upset about it, right? Wesleymullins18:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
No problem at all. I can understand your plight, yes, and had I been the reviewing admin, I'd have looked into your case in detail. I always do on an unblock request. Re. the impersonation; that's part of a bigger case and has now been confirmed by checkuser. Abusive sock-puppetry and wikistalking is part and parcel of being an administrator, unfortunately. Not to worry - and sorry you've been through all this trouble yourself - Alison☺18:29, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Pearse
I semi-protected the page because the anon in question was continuously removing well sourced information that he didn't happen to agree with. This has been the subject of endless discussion on the talk page and the result has always been to keep the section on the sexual orientation controversy in. The editor insists we leave out any information from the only complete, widely available biography of Pearse because he asserts the author has an agenda, as if anyone doesn't have an agenda of some sort. The information is placed in context and just because he doesn't like the author doesn't mean that we should remove all information that comes from her book. Especially as his inelegant cutting rendered parts of the article meaningless. Saying "X is not a valid source" does not mean X is an invalid source. -R. fiend20:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I follow that last line, but how and ever. This sounds from what you are saying that you semi-protected the page to block out an anon editor who is involved in a content dispute, and is in dialog. Is this the case here? - Alison☺20:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Yep. I have to drive to LA tomorrow some time and take a plane out of here. I'm less and less on right now, though, but would like to comment on your ER if I get the chance. Cleaning the house right now, if you must know :) And getting clothes ready - Alison☺22:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Look - there's a lot I'd like to share with you on dispute resolution and co-operation. You have a problem with both of these, while it can be worked on, it's causing you conflict with other editors. You must understand that I'm not trying to attack you here; I just want you to settle in, find your niche and become a productive and happy editor - that's all. If you're constantly in battles that you feel the need to "win" (your term), then you're setting yourself up for failure and unhappiness. - Alison☺22:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for participating in my RfA. It was successful, and I am now, may God have mercy on us all, an administrator. Look at all the new buttons! I had heard about 'protect,' 'block user,' and 'delete,' but no one told me about 'kill,' 'eject,' and 'purée.' I appreciate the trust the community has in me, and I'll try hard not to delete the main page or block Jimbo. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Wait.. you got the fun buttons. Mine has Juliene, Puree, and Mince. Someone must have given me French tools! :D SirFozzie18:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for you quick response. I would have made the request directly on you page but didn't know if you would get it immediately. Enjoy what's left of your wikibreak. :-) BaldPete21:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
She passed WP:N in my opinion, yes, but then again I'm biased as I like her and we're both Irish. Yes - copyvio. I'm going to delete back 90% of the bio. The rest is our stuff. What a pity .... It really should be nuked entirely as copyvio, but do you think you could recover it? - Alison☺00:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I scrubbed the article just now of copyvio and re-wrote the intro. It needs fleshing out but hope that will hold it for a while. - Alison☺00:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
(sorry about delay; me off to bed ina second) Well, I'm not an expert on the diddly-eidles - I like it, but not an expert :O). (However one thing I do remember about her is that she was on the group that chose the final Eurovision entries for RTE this year, but do we need to bring that up? ;O) I'll take a look at it again tomorrow. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 00:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
BTW, I'm away now (believe it or not) but I just wanted to say early congratulations on you-know-what. Delighted you made it as you so deserve it! - Alison☺00:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Steel. There was little I could do due to (a possible perceived) COI so I had to drop it. And yes to the second comment. Very observant indeed ;)- Alison☺00:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for that. My user page has been vandalized seven times today, and my talk page six times (that may need semi-protecting too). I've really pissed someone off! :) Acalamari02:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
If he's still at this stuff when I get back, I'll call AT&T myself and have it dealt with. I have his subscriber info here now (bras2#.skt2ca 072104-1036 SBC06922504800020040721103417) - yeehaw! - and they can trace right to his door, regardless of whether he's sucking new IP addresses out of the DHCP pool or not. Prolly thinks he's anonymous or something :) - Alison☺03:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I do like that unregistered users think that! When it's really us who are anonymous... well... ahem, most of the time. Anyway, aren't you meant to be driving to LA sometime soon, missy? ~ Riana⁂03:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Heh. And yeah, 3am drive to LA. I'm going to do an all-nighter here, methinks. Clean the house or something - Alison☺03:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I didn't realize the ip had contacted you before, and the reference to housework sounds particularly incivil. --Dark Fallstalk04:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
'sokay. Thanks for looking out for me :) Don't mind them, they're just some rude editor who won't get an account when they know they should. Stubborn, y'know ;) - Alison☺04:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
My recent RfB
Thank you so much for your participation in my recent RfB. Though it closed with 72% support (below the required 90%), I'm still quite pleased at the outpouring of support shown by a fair percentage of the community.
I'm currently tabulating and calculating all opposing and neutral arguments to help me better address the community's concerns about my abilities as a bureaucrat. If you'd like, you can follow my progress (and/or provide additional suggestions) at User:EVula/admin/RfB notes. Thanks again! EVula// talk // ☯ //04:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
For your use
A Cluestick, to be used on users, who despite the urgings of many, many others, insist on having huge flags on their userpages. ;) Have a good drive and flight. Flyguy649talkcontribs04:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Does he take suggestions for his biblical quotes? I've always found these two make a lovely couple: ... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. -- Genesis 32:30 and No man hath seen God at any time... -- John 1:18. 81.153.10.16706:23, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Sure. Here's the deal; I need to step away from you and your antics for a while, because I'm just getting more annoyed. Your response to people kindly asking about the flags and to respect other people's beliefs was ... what? Plaster on up some more Bible verses[3] and go preaching[4] to Nihiltres? Have you any idea how rude that is? Honestly - you have no respect for other people. Just as well I'm on vacation now - Alison☺06:32, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Are you counting the admins? I am. We're heading into double-digits here. I had to step away, seriously. BTW, if you'll excuse me, I have a MfD to file here - Alison☺06:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, you blew it. I need to bring it to the community to decide at this point. You were give every single opportunity to work with others, to compromise, to show some respect (again!) but no. I spent ages working on that page, so it could be kept and could be reasonable and tidy and yes, Christian. And I'm not even a Christian. Hello??? This is out of my hands now and I'm stepping away - Alison☺07:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, six of my articles have put up by AfD by the same person and are being voted on all by the same persons.. I was wondering if you could look the articles over and the things written on the discussion pages and give me your honest answer as to should they be up for vote or am I being paranoid? The articles are:
Last week I lost one of my articles and I thought it was a good faith AfD but now with six more up for vote this week I think there is more behind these AfD then good faith. Callelinea13:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
You were advised at that time of your first AfD that you had created other articles that also lacked notability. You were also advised that we would put just one up for AfD in order to give you time to improve it - rather than flood you with a series of AfDs. Since that time, you've failed to demonstrate the article's notability, disrupted the AfD process with numerous "keep" votes in AfD discussions for articles on other subjects lacking notability, and declared your disagreement with our WP:BIO guidelines. So now the AfD on your article closed as "delete", and additional articles have been nominated this week - just as you had been advised. We've done our best to give you the benefit of the doubt and to give you time to work on your articles. I even restored one of your articles from a speedy deletion because you promised you could improve it to meet our biographical standards. All you have managed to do is tell us how much you disagree with our notability guidelines. As I've pointed out to you before, no editor voted "keep" on your first AfD, and none are doing so now. Take the hint! Rklawton14:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Sand
For trying to help another user understand what userspace is, and for having it all thrown back in your face time and time again. Have fun in Ireland, --wpktsfs14:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Pastor David, and thanks also for intervening in the contentious case that's ongoing. Unfortunatly, I can't access my gmail right now so can't get your message - Alison☺16:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I very much doubt anyone would want to adopt him. Anyone who does had better prepare themselves for a massive headache. I've told him before that the US Consitution doesn't apply to a privately owned website and he didn't accept it. Like Riana, I'm having a hard time keeping my cool with him (as in, having a hard time keeping my finger off the block button). --ɐuɐʞsəp(ʞɿɐʇ)18:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
... here at a public terminal in the airport in LA. Waiting for boarding to be called. Having a 'safe' non-admin account has its uses. I just can't keep away :) Talk to you all soon - - Alison22:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC) (yes, it's me!)
Allie! Take good care of yourself, please! Enjoy a lot, drink even more, and return happily and safe to us! :) We love you girl. Phaedriel - 22:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. As I recall, I said that there was insufficient evidence to block this account for sock-puppetry, as indeed there was. Thanks for filing the checkuser - now we can block the account - Alison☺ 15:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC) (ah - done already!) - Alison☺15:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations, Acalamari. Delighted you made WP100, to :) Welcome to the mayhem! - Alison☺16:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC) (at Mom's house in Dublin. Analog dialup and sloooooow)
Help on a... rather strange article
Hi Alison, how are you keeping? Anyway! There is a certain article, which, at one point carried a picture of two females engaging in the said articles' practice. I understand that Wikipedia does not censor, but I was just wondering if you could take a look over the article and see if everything is okay. If you have time, could you also look on the discussion page? Thank you very much, hope this doesn't waste your time. Scarian15:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm on vacation right now, unfortunately, so I don't have much on-line time here. I've no issues with the article as a subject although in its current form, is more of a dicdef than anything else. It needs serious work to be encyclopedic. Frankly, the worse thing about it is the picture which is of such a low quality as to distract from the article rather than provide any useful content. In short; add more detail and lose/change the awful pic! - Alison☺16:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you and thanks! That was my original problem with it in the first place... The picture is indeed grotesque. Thanks again, and enjoy your holiday. Scarian18:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
An editor put the picture back stating that you didn't make a ruling but rather an opinion. I decided just not to bother about it anymore. Thanks anyways. Scarian18:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Alison, I was hoping that you could help me out with a user [5] who seems to be primarily non-productive with his edits, with various spam or vandalizing of user talk pages, and some articles. Any input on your end on how to proceed? Thanks. Tiggerjay23:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Alison. I would like to ask for your help with regard to the article Arran (Azerbaijan). It recently became an arena of edit war, when certain users moved it to a new title of Arran (Republic of Azerbaijan) without consensus on talk. But now it seems that a solution to the dispute, acceptable for everyone, could be moving the article to Arran, which is now a disambiguation page. The current contents of Arran can be moved to Arran (disambiguation), and the page Arran (Azerbaijan) or Arran (Republic of Azerbaijan) could be moved to Arran. I would like to keep the history of the article about Arran, and therefore I need assistance of an admin. I would appreciate if you could help. Thanks in advance. Regards, --Grandmaster16:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, most users involved into editing of this article are parties to the arbcom case. I think I will have to retract my request, because one person out of six involved into the dispute objects to the move, so I'm not sure now that we have a consensus. Thanks anyway. --Grandmaster05:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I have really had it tough this last few years. Between bankruptcy, and other issues, "black dogs" are always nipping. They just got on top of me lately, and i tried so hard to keep up the bright side, even though I felt very low. And the amazing thing is none of my friends know I'm down, must tell them. Most of the time everything is bright and rosy. Will try get back editing on WP in a couple of weeks. Thanks for the concern. Gold♥ 12:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, did some edits, never thought I would for a long time , tks for support. ,Gold♥14:37, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Glad to hear you're (sorta) back in action. You've a lot of good friends on here, y'know. I'll keep in touch - - Alison15:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Appreciate your help
Just a short word of thanks for your speedy help after months of frustrating attempts to understand why my account was blocked and correct it. Have a great break! --GayCurmudgeon16:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Glad to have you back on here and delighted to have been able to help! Your patience against the odds truly has no bounds. It's great to see you editing again :) - Alison☺20:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
As RKLawton says, it looks like a good call. This article has been a long-term source of problems with one editor unilaterally pushing their "weird science" POV against the consensus and the opinions of just about all the other editors. - Alison☺20:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello admin. Please take a look at Iranian peoples (which is a FA) where User:Babakexorramdin is destroying the quality of this Featured Article by inserting pseudo-scientific and unsourced POV, such as the claim that Uzbek people are an "Iranian people" (Uzbeks are a Turkic people as one can see in the respective article). I inserted an "accuracy is disputed" tag into the section, but he removed the tag and added more POV. If he continues his bias, the article will lose its FA status.
Well, it looks like he has been making constructive edits over there. I don't really have the expertise to determine, though. It's been a week since the article has been updated by this editor. I'll keep it on my watchlist and see what happens - Alison☺22:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
User:216.83.121.194
You did a good thing by blocking that "sick, racist, WWE/Bratz hating shrew", "(mockingly) WWE owns "51%" of Bratz, Mims was the theme song of WrestleMania 23". Ban that racist user, before he/she evades another block.--68.44.84.18503:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Nasibi article
I wrote to you that User:Woneders_land keeps reversing edits in Nasibi article without discussing my points in the disscusion page , and you asked me to bring the matter to his talk page first but he did not respond and he reversed the edits again. THANK YOU . Dy yol08:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi there! Have very little on-line time here. In Cork city right now, public terminal. Weather is crap & wish I was back in sunny Cali. Wedding on Saturday, should be fun! Catch yiz later & miss you all :) - Alison☺13:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
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Deletion Template Overdue
This Image had a deletion template on it which was supposed to expire on 9july, just to let you know :)
Chaza1000
YDone (Commons hosted image, nothing you could have done, taken care of *me whistles innocently*) ~ Riana ⁂14:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
The above named arbitration case has closed. All involved parties are granted an amnesty over the edit-warring that had been ongoing but has given the administrators the ability to sanction anyone who begins disruptive editing again.
You may view the full case decision at the case page.
Sorry for the delay in replying. The editor above isn't socking but has created a redirect to another page in talk space. It's a bit unorthodox, but I don't think there's anything in the rules against it. If they don't like their username, they could change it. But their is only one account at work here. Have you tried discussing it with them? - Alison☺00:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey Alison
Just a quick note to tell you I've taken the design of your talk header for my talk page. Cheers; Rlest10:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks :) I have a handful of my amateurish pics to upload, mostly of towns and buildings. The weather was abyssmal, though, and the whole place wasn't really photogenic, though. Ah well, I should be somewhere more interesting in a month or so and will bring the camera along - Alison☺04:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Welcome back Ali, hope you enjoyed yourself despite the cack weather. At least you weren't working (like the rest of us!)... The Rambling Man12:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Welcome back, Allie! :) I have no words to tell you how much I've missed you, girl! Can't wait to talk to you soon... Love ya! Phaedriel - 13:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Allie!!! *pounces* Glad to have you back.. you wouldn't believe all the "fun" I had while you were away *laughs*. Tell you more when I get to work :) SirFozzie13:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Unprotected - reduced to semi-prot. If the revert-war starts up again, it'll go back on. I note that there has been no updates on the talk page in 6 weeks since my last message - Alison☺23:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Nice to see you there. It was backlogged the other day. However, I know you have a great reputation at RFPP, so we won't have to worry about a backlog at that page anymore. :) Acalamari23:04, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
It's my favourite haunt :) Thanks for the welcome-back, BTW. Missed you guys. And hey - I see my pre-emptive congrats were not in vain. Belated welcome to the team! - Alison☺23:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Ah, so you've seen my logs? I had some trouble with protection timers at first, but Ryan helped me with that. RFPP and CAT:TEMP are the places I'm most active at with the administrator tools. I'm doing fine, no problems at all. :) Thanks for everything. Acalamari23:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for semi-protecting those two pages I posted to admin intervention of vandalism. Much appreciated. --Renrenren23:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Believe it or not, I protected them as a result of that AIV report and noticed that the editor had just been moving IP addresses to repeatedly post their BLP stuff. It's set at two weeks right now but get back to me if you need it extended or if there are any further problems - Alison☺23:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
New toy
So, when you get your crappy new bit of plastic which is supposed to be a phone, please let me know so you can send it to me absolutely immediately without hesitation and I'll tell you how I get on with it. Please?! The Rambling Man23:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Heh!! Still waiting on the crappy plastic but we're told it'll be in our hot li'l hands in about two weeks. One of the guys at work has one and is flashing it around. Had some bits of one on my desk here for months but, sadly, it never actually did anything! - Alison☺23:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to know that you had one (or bits of it) on your desk! Poo. So, I've heard nothing negative, so I can't bloody well wait. So anyway, hope you had a good jaunt back east to the wet and windy shores of your native land. Take care... The Rambling Man23:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Some people have complained that HSDPA isn't supported, only EDGE. Oh hey, and you're in the UK, too. Bummer! I heard a rumour (nothing insider) that they were pushing for a provider across the pond. Fingers crossed :) - Alison☺23:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC) (BTW, the rain never let up. Not for a single day!)
Thank You
Thank you for taking care of the Safalra User page so quickly. I was not sure how to go about it, since reporting the IP did not work. I know that editing someone else's user page is a big no-no, so I did not wish to do that, even if it was to remove that icky vandalism. If there is an easier way for me to report things like that (i.e. items that I'd prefer to not edit (user pages) or locked articles) please let me know!
Well, you did the absolute right thing in reporting them and you chose the correct forum in which to report it. Well done and thanks :) You might want to check out Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace as it's perfectly appropriate for you to warn that user yourself for their blatant userpage vandalism. In this case, {{uw-upv3}} would be the one to use. And hey - welcome back after your long break, fellow-medical-editor :) - Alison☺07:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for your kind comments about my recent successful RfA! I appreciate it... and the category you stuck on my user page too! - Philippe | Talk07:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Well deserved it was too :) BTW, it's not just a category. Take a look at the icon above the line, on the right - Alison☺07:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess I did sort of take some time away from here, didn't I? I hadn't realized it was nearly two years, wow! (For the life of me, I cannot figure out how to continue my discussion with you under my original "Thank You" header.) As for the reporting template, where would I put that ({uw-upv3}) comment? Place it on the person's talk page? Sorry, I have never reported someone before, I mostly just do spelling/grammatical mistake edits! When I pasted that command, it was a warning, not a report to an Admin. (which is why I changed it to () so it would show up here.) Sorry for being a pain, I'd just like to know how to get it right :D ArielGold♥(talk)
Two years? Wow! :) And yes, place the template on the user's talk page and maybe date it, too. You should also use the 'subst' command, like so;
... things have changed a bit since you were here last :) I keep my own page of tips and tricks like this so I can copy and paste what I need, and explanations are always to-hand. Regards reporting; if the editor in question keeps on going past your final warning (level 3 or 4), report them to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism and an admin will evaluate your request and take the necessary action. The trick to reporting there is to use {{vandal}}, so that;
*{{vandal|Alison}} is being an idiot again. Please block her now! - ~~~~
Okay, I had one of those pages already on my watch list, but your /work page is helpful! Thanks! (I hesitate to "warn" people on their talk pages, especially those who are just IPs, because I don't want to instigate them any further, it is quieter to just revert their damage.)
How can I answer you in the original talk post I make, instead of adding another header to reply? (Just to keep your page clean)
Also, if someone vandalized a user's page (like original request you fixed for me) are non-admin users allowed to revert them? I know that editing someone's user page is not something anyone should do, so that's why I went to the Admin page.
I was a +sysop (Admin) on Microsoft Gaming Zone for years and years, but there was no script, it was all done from a special "tool window" that just let you push buttons, which is why this stuff confuses me, it is a lot of script stuff that I'm completely unfamiliar with.
You should probably make your own /work page (copy mine!) and add the useful bits there. Then bookmark it. It's perfectly okay (indeed, beneficial) to warn wayward editors, especially IPs, otherwise they won't know what's wrong and other editors won't know they've been reverted in the past. And yes, simple vandalism can always be reverted by any editor. Wikipedia is a flat hierarchy and everyone from anon editors to Jimbo Wales has the same rules. Reverting userpage vandalism is especially appreciated by the victim.
You can answer individual messages by clicking the [edit] tab beside the message title and prefacing your comment with the indent ':' marker. Add more to increase indentation. I'm using just one right now. RFA - well ... request for adminship :) - Alison☺10:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Ha! I see how you do the answering thing :) Thanks! I did make my own work page, but none of your warning boxes work for me. What I ended up doing was copying and pasting them, editing them, but I don't have any way to make them shortcuts with the {} things, so I'd have to open the page to edit, and then paste the entire < div > code I have into any pages. If you have any ideas why yours don't work for me, or what I could do to make mine into shortcuts, I'd appreciate it :) ArielGold♥(talk)10:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
user alex wade
Please note AlexWade21 also appears to use 24.35.87.180 see revision 146029069 to Carmen Electra dated 00:03, 21 July 2007
Thanks! Don't worry, though, the underlying IP for AlexWade21 will also have been blocked. Definitely the same editor, though - Alison☺10:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Sun is splitting rocks!
Gosh Allie, rain has been falling all over Europe, but wow!, what a big turnabout, the Sun is now "splitting the rocks", people heading to the beaches in droves, factor 30 protection cream and all that, will bring the parasol, might be handy in case it rains ;) GH11:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Also, wondering is there a Bot available that could change all the references from Irish Potato Famine to Great Irish Famine. Have done about a dozen of the main refs, but otherwise don't have the patience to do the other 1000. Would be great help. GH12:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Just my luck, Gold :) It didn't stop the entire time I was there! As for bots, check in with User:Cyde as he may be able to help you out. He runs Cydebot, which often handles disambig jobs. Seeya round (and thanks for the email, BTW!) - Alison☺02:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
See my comment above. The IP address will have been caught in the autoblock of the main account - Alison☺02:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
3RR - Some Advice Please?
Hello, I wondered if I could pick your brain quickly. I requested the Aquila guide be semi-protected, and you rejected this (quite fairly - I'm not arguing at all ;) ). Trouble is, I'm really not sure what to do. A number of users, the most recent anon. IP not being the only one, are repeatedly adding links to all 13 episodes on Google Videos. These videos are not up there legally - they are copyright infringements, and so should not be linked. Appart from all else, Wikipedia is not a collection of links etc. So, what can be done? On an individual basis, you mention the 3RR rule, and reporting a user for it. Though I know what it is, I have no idea how to report someone for it - I wonder if you could point me in the right direction. Also, on a slightly similar note, if I were to revert his edits more than 3 times, bearing in mind that the edits introduce links against Wikipedia regulations, would I be breaking the 3RR rule? On a whole-programme basis, how many times would these links have to be added for the page to qualify for protection of some sort or another?
I'd really appreciate any info you can give - though not new to Wikipedia, I am fairly new to the topic of vandalism/edit wars/3RR etc. Thanks ;) TheIslander19:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about the delay. I've comment on the talk page now re. the copyright issues and the edit-warring - Alison☺02:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Semi-protection
Thanks for semi-protecting my user page. It seems I annoyed a user so much, they went on a vandalism spree of my user page. Acalamari22:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
User(s) blocked. - probably. There's an endless supply, it seems. However, keep reporting them and I'll keep blocking them - Alison☺02:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks like you've done everything you need to do, including protecting the talk page. It the same vandal as before - no big deal. A checkuser will probably show up more sock accounts, I suspect. Check the users list for more, maybe ... - Alison☺20:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks—I don't think checkuser is worth it. The users list is problematic, as it only lists "users starting at x"; I don't think there's a way to search for "usernames containing x". Fvasconcellos (t·c) 20:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
There isn't, and that's kinda annoying. You have to do a bit of digging. I did a cursory bit for you but didn't find anything untoward - Alison☺20:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
From a quick glance at Gahanna, Ohio, I wasn't sure if it was really vandalism or a true edit war so I protected. If you think it's just one person vandalizing, feel free to override me and unprotect it (or sprotect if it's a moving IP). —Wknight94 (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Protection is just fine. I've been in discussion with the blocked editor and they realise now that what they were doing was disruptive. Not so much 'vandalism' (as someone described it), as intense revert-warring - Alison☺20:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Bad Image
Alison, I've added to the discussion at MediaWiki_talk:Bad_image_list#request. I edit conflicted you having already added this to the list while posting that reply. I am not going to revert your change, but would appreciate if you would join in the converstation. Thank you, — xaosfluxTalk03:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
(ec) - I just replied over there. The image is still allowed on the pornography portal gallery but has also been used in vandalism and harassment. It's currently a subject of discussion on WP:ANI - Alison☺03:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah. I have a login over there. Switched to indef as they're here for disruption only and have made that clear - Alison☺20:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Aquila (TV series)
As mentioned earlier, I'd still really like some advice if not too much trouble. Aquila is still being plauged with these links - it has now led to some making personal attacks on the talk page against those removing them. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. TheIslander01:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok - I've commented on the talk page over there. If the slow-running edit war continues or the links are re-added, I will take the necessary action. I believe there have genuine concerns over linking to copyrighted material (and it 'is) via Google Video - Alison☺02:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
BTW - the BBC article does not permit use of the links. It's still copyrighted material and the report shows the agreement referring to very specific media only - Alison☺09:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Yep, I know - that's why I've been working hard to remove them and keep them removed. Thanks for pointing it out, though. At what point do you think the article would qualify for protection of some sort or another? TheIslander09:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Really soon! I've replied on the talk page again, stating my concerns. If this persists, though, the article will be protected. Copyvio is a serious business - Alison☺09:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks a lot Alison - hopefully the input of an admin alone will clear things up a little. If it doesn't, I'll be re-nominating for protection. Thanks! TheIslander09:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
wiki Shemale
The redirect from shemale to transwomen my be from good intentions but it is not what people want.
The article was redirected from searching for SHEMALE. The link shemale-listing.com is valid because most shemales are in the adult industry. The site is free and has refering affiliate links often mandatory by use agreement with the producers. There are no popups on my site and the producers are reviewed by me. All profit goes to support the expenses of the site. People who search for shemale are not interested in the medical issues of transgender disphoria. Shemales are not to be pushed aside and erased from history because of shame of adult film work or resentment from the transvestite or crossdresser clique due to their beauty.
There is no way be accurate and get around adult links when searching for shemale as opposed to a medical term like transgender. My site is the most tame and free version of what people are looking for when they search for shemale.
"My" site? Unfortunately, that add conflict of interest to the picture. The term 'shemale' tends to pejorative in itself and is constantly coming up here on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, it's a commercial link, profits or no, and Wikipedia is not a collection of links. Nor is it a vehicle for touting your own website. Sorry. If you insist on re-adding it all the time, as you are, it'll end up on the blacklist and will be effectively banned from the entire range of wikis. I've no opinion one way or another on 'shemales' or the term itself, but your link, unfortunately, comes under the heading of spam. And it's not encyclopedic - Alison☺05:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
You say "The term 'shemale' tends to pejorative in itself and is constantly coming up here on Wikipedia." Thats seems so judgemental for an impartial editor, I get enough of that from everyone else. I am not trying to fight you or wiki. It just seems that shemale has been hijacked by a segment of the trans community that hates the shemale sub segment. I am not greedy or a spammer. I figured it would have been 10 seconds before someone took it down. Gays are better than transgenders, transgenders are holier than shemales. After they put up all the medical links in the shemale catagory I figured why ban the real shemlae link. Yes, I now know you technical policies. I don't know if you will find real shemale content if you filter it so much. It comes up so much, as you say, because thats what people want. They dont want to be redirected to transwomen. Any shemale links are going to be highly adult or total pay sites unless you list some myspace pages or something. I am unsure if you are TS or TG but I read you have an education in endocrinology. If I can not edit my own link into a site then pehaps you can write a page that explains shemale or transsexual better than putting it with transgender with links and info.
I'm not being judgemental there, I'm stating facts. Take a look. The Shemale article went through AfD and ended up being a merge-and-redirect to Transwoman, something I voted against, but community consensus prevails. I've no interest in the politics of the matter, to be honest, nor am I transgendered. However, all that aside, your link fails on a number of levels, as I've already pointed out. If you think the page is incorrect right now or biased in some way, maybe bring it up on Talk:Transwoman and see if it can be changed? You're totally free to have your opinions known over there - Alison☺09:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
In essence, she's saying if you aren't even aware what you're doing wrong when you do something wrong and you don't know how the system works here, perhaps you're not ready to be an admin yet. HalfShadow05:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
That's about it, all right. Your post-first-block commentary illustrates that clearly. BTW, shouldn't you be posing this question where I asked it? - Alison☺06:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I will ask you again since you ignored my question: Please provide a diff demonstrating that I do not understand policy. If you cannot then please withdraw your statement. HalfShadow, please remember to remain civil. It's not much to ask. Perspicacite06:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I was perfectly civil. Incivility would have been me telling you that you don't know your asshole from your armpit... HalfShadow06:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Post the question on your RfA where I made my comment, and I will answer it in spades. Trust me on that. And I don't particularly like your aggressive approach one bit - Alison☺06:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Again, I ask you to provide a diff demonstrating that I do not understand policy. HalfShadow, you seem to have something on your mind. Please feel free to express it. I will not complain. Perspicacite06:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
No. This needs to be visible. Do it on your RfA, where I made the comment. BTW - your RfA was delisted per WP:SNOW just now, but I relisted it. - Alison☺06:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes I saw that. It's on the RFA discussion page. Please feel free to comment here or there or even on my talkpage. Perspicacite06:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Yep! I'm always careful to check now, having made too many mistakes myself with the prot button - Alison☺09:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Me New !!
Hi Alison! I'm a new user. I joined with the intention of making considerable contributions, but I find that most of the articles in my areas of interest are already in pretty good state, and I don't have much to add contentwise. So what I want to do now is stuff like reverting vandalism, helping maintain NPOV, mediating disputes, welcoming new users etc. You seem to have got a plethora of awards for this kind of work; can u please help me start out ? Regards -- Amit22:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
It would appear a sticky situation with the Sanchez article. I haven't seen anything untoward from WJBscribe, but Truthjusticeamericanway has been very aggressive and delving dangerously close into, what I consider, personal attacks. Note that on User talk:Krimpet#Question, User:Truthjusticeamericanway appears to also be User:24.18.130.89. ZueJay (talk)04:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
PS - Hope the vacation refreshed you for this! I would love to visit Ireland someday. *dreamy sigh*
Hi again :)
Good Morning Alison :) Hope your weekend is going well. I have what I hope is a quick question. I really like the warning boxes you did on your /work page, and the bottom area that is a welcome-helpful links section. I was wondering if you could easily tell me how I could make something like that, so it would have the shortcut string to use. (While I really like the formatting, the very first box is very difficult for me to read with the current color scheme, so I'd like to change it)
Hi, i was just going to let you know of a little game with a bunch of our liverpool fans, in which they are seeing who can make the funniest un-constructive edit. Here it is :(Chaza9313:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
(Please copy reply to my talk page) Chaza93
I've reviewed the page. All the edits claimed have been corrected, and I've blocked each of the "players" - as they have made their intentions clear. Rklawton13:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Sources and Awards
Hi Alison,
My article for ineedhits was deleted under incorrect reasons, "ie. no sources to awards for ineedhits and its founders" which in related links there was proof provided. If it wasn't clear enough, I would like the opportunity to reinstate the article with the correct links.
Thank you,
Also take a look at the SMS.ac entry and in comparision, ineedhits' entry was harmless
Hey Alison,
I have a little disagreement with an admin regarding deletion of an article I created, first he claimed it's not notable because I had no references, then I showed I had referenced from leading newspapers and print media. If I can get a second opinion from you it would be great. If you can have a look at my talk page... MyWiseData13:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Gerry_Lynch
Quick question for you about Gerry_Lynch and the denied unban request.
(And yes, I totally realise I risk being blocked as a sock puppet for asking the question. I'm going to ask anyway, on the grounds that I'm not even on the same continent as him which makes it unlikely I'm a sockpuppet. You might also count me as a meatpuppet - I'm not that, either, despite having heard of the ban initially from a non-wikipedia source. I have no particular investment in his being unblocked, I simply have a question about the use of the process in this instance.)
The question is twofold: you said "Decline reason: Checkuser says you are, unfortunately & I've no reason to doubt it — Alison ☺ 04:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)"
Checkuser checks based on IP, and without access to the results myself I obviously can't make a case against it, but I would question how large the block he's coming from is, and the possibility of this being collateral damage stemming from the same ISP or workplace. As well, I don't see a RFCU on WP:RFCU, nor do I see a result on Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets or in the archives for June or July of this year of his account being marked a sockpuppet. Shouldn't those be there?--JohnRIT14:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Having looked at this, I think a mistake has been made and unblockings are in order. I would do this myself, but won't, in deference to another admin. -- Arwel (talk) 18:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok - I'm inclined to agree at this point, given some of the other stuff that's come up. I'm unblocking & will take responsibility for what ever fallout ensues - Alison☺21:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Alison, I think any ensuing fallout might help figure out what happened here, but, from watching at WP:AN/I and several talk pages, I think many will agree that you tried very hard to balance WP:AGF between User talk:Dmcdevit's block and User:Gerry Lynch's request for unblock. The absence of a case at RfCU obviously threw a wrench into everything, and hopefully Dmcdevit can help clear that up when he gets back. I know Gerry Lynch must be disappointed with the machinations of Wikipedia here, and I hope he succeeds in making sure things are sorted out. At the same time, I think any third party would recognize that you ultimately didn't abandon or ignore the complicated situation here, and ultimately worked to make sure it was resolved... Take care, j talk 22:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but no, J. This isn't a personal issue with Alison as I've said both privately and publicly that I believe she acted in good faith. But the procedures that lead to this situation stink!!!
The absence of a case at RfCU didn't really throw a wrench into anything, as had I not kicked up a stink via my own blog, which was then picked up on Nicholas Whyte's blog, my request for unblocking would have been rejected and I would have been permanently banned from wikipedia. The internal grievance procedures do not work, particularly as like most other wikipedians, I have little experience of life beyond editing main namespace pages. The blocked user page with advice on what to do next is confusing in the extreme.
Additionally, let's say User:Dmcdevit was around and did present a case on RfCU, based on my sharing a workplace dynamic IP with a large number of other users. I see no evidence that anyone in the wikipedia Admin community would have argued in favour of reversing the block, regardless of the evidence to the contrary from my own edit history. I wonder how many other legitimate Wikipedia users have been blocked, permanently for the same reasons, never to return? Simply sharing an IP address once in a while with a WP:DICK is not grounds for banning.
Thirdly, the lack of a reference at RfCU shouldn't have thrown a spanner in anything. It should have ended the matter there and then. No evidence, even when presented by a trusted user, is still no evidence. At that point, the block should have been removed instantly, and had I then gone on to act like a troll or a sockpuppet, I'm sure that would have been noted by the community and appropriate actions taken.
Finally, and this is where people might perceive personal criticism, and I apologise for that, from my perspective it seemed no admin was prepared to undo the work of another admin. Alison was reluctant to undo what Dmcdevit had done. Arwel and others were not prepared, initially, to undo the work of Alison. Dmcdevit's non-evidenced, non-present, word as a trusted and respected admin counted for more than mine as a suspected sockpuppet. From the outside, that's where people get ideas about an admin cabal.
I have neither the time nor the patience to be an admin, but I'm glad other people do and I'm not trying to knock anyone down. But it seems like people are so wound up from the daily battles with trolls that they shoot first and ask questions later, and then cover for one another. Add to the fact that raising the issue on ANI got my IP instantly blocked for a 'self-confessed block avoidance' and you can easily see how people get paranoid. Then people who back me up get IP blocked as well. Sorry, but that's lynch law!
How do we stop things like this happening again? That's what interests me now. (message copied to your user page) Gerry Lynch23:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I think your bringing up the issue at WP:AN/I was an important step on the path to getting things fixed. That made sure the issue didn't fall out of sight, which, given the block of your account and your IP, could have been possible. You're right to ask How do we make sure this doesn't happen again?, but, unfortunately, that's not always an easy question to answer. I really think the absence of a valid case page at WP:RfCU made the issue considerably more difficult to address than it needed to be. The issues surrounding the the user you were incorrectly associated with, User:Runcorn, were a significant issue on Wikipedia several months ago. I think the unusual nature of that situation, and the resulting absence of a RfCU page, made it difficult for anyone independent of User:Dmcdevit to make a determination as to the validity of the accusation against your account.
There is an Ombuds Commission for when a user's privacy is violated, but I don't think that's really helpful here. I think it would help to get User:Dmcdevit's explanation of what occurred from his perspective, so that you can figure out what led up to your account being blocked (currently an open question). One thing, as I understand it, is that your IP is shared by many users at a large organization or company. Normally, the talk pages for those IPs will be marked appropriately on Wikipedia (see Template:SharedIP, for example). The absence of that shouldn't mean just anybody who uses an IP should be labeled and banned as a sockpuppet, but, again, combined with the absence of a WP:RfCU, it made it very difficult for other administrators to be able to evaluate the situation and given the circumstances, appropriately unblock you.
I just want to add that I think the extent to which you're using your concern constructively, to try to get to the bottom of the issue, is very admirable. Given how frustrating this situation must have been, your staying calm and keeping focussed was a key factor in helping make sure the issue was resolved. Let me try and see (and, please, anybody else feel free to jump in, as well) what processes might help you get to the bottom of this. (With apologies to Alison for holding her talk page hostage; I hope she won't mind if we keep the conversation here for readability.) j talk 00:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I find your argument here quite topsy-turvy. It is clear from the lack of a reference in WP:RfCU that proper procedure was not followed in blocking Gerry Lynch. This shouldn't make it "more difficult for administrators to evaluate the situation", it should make it much easier for administrators to evaluate the situation. Procedure not followed, therefore the block is invalid, therefore unblock immediately and home in time for tea and cakes. Administrators shouldn't be some hallowed class that are able to bend the structure of Wikipedia around themselves like a supermassive black hole warping space and time. They have a responsibility to follow procedure, and if they fail to do so then other admins should correct the situation immediately without having to run after the admin that messed up in order to find some presumed rationale for their flouting of correct procedure. That is natural justice. What is so difficult about that? Do admins regard themselves as a privileged class, such that they prefer to perpetuate ill-formed decisions than to contradict on of their fellow administrators? Iainjcoleman
You said: Well, as the original unblock reviewing admin (silly me. You should see my inbox) - sorry about my contribution to that (and this one, really) but than you for putting in the time to review the ban in depth and reverse it. --JohnRIT15:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Scott 110
Hi there! We've not spoken before, but I was wondering if you would be willing to have a look at the debate on Talk:Student. It involves Scott 110 (talk·contribs), who you've come across in the Admin noticeboards? I believe you told him to be Civil, and he said something along the lines of 'No', albeit less politely. This was in early June, I think. Regardless, he's involved in an edit war, and has refused to listen to the arguments that another user - 'Yeanold' - has (rather facetiously, I admit) constructed. I believe Yeanold's arguments stand firm however, and I'd appreciate your help in bringing Scott back to the table. Thanks! (PS, please reply on my talk page, thankyou!) Hawker Typhoon16:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I should also add he's not being entirely civil. The f-word comes into it a few times. I'll leave it to you to find out where ;-) Hawker Typhoon16:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Alison? I was wondering if you had missed this! If you can't help, please at least let me know so i can find someone else! Thanks, Hawker Typhoon17:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I know you didn't. But you were. That's why I said what I did, before you escalated. That's what you do, and you're treading a fine line right now. Next time, want me to let you run with it? - Alison☺22:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, do it. She's on my watchlist but you're getting in first. I've fully protected her userpage - nobody needs that kind of trolling - Alison☺22:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I just realized I have shockingly little familiarity with RFCU; I want IP check, right? I can't believe I didn't watch the Checkuser process more closely before my RfA :P Fvasconcellos (t·c) 22:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Long time no see; Hope you remember me. I just made my 6000th edit and I will be going on a Wikibreak starting this Friday, July 27 until August 13, since I will be going to South Korea to go on a church retreat and visiting my relatives in Seoul. NHRHS2010 Talk 23:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I remember you! Congratulations on zooming through the 6,000 mark. That's awesome :) Enjoy the break in Korea! - Alison☺21:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry if I seemed a bit brusque
Was just dealing with a bit of fallout from an editor who couldn't resist getting digs in after being told not to.. Got you WR PM btw, you have a response :) SirFozzie19:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Just in case Alison doesn't see this, basically, User:Gaimhreadhan strongly believes that User:Brixton Busters is an old editor who used his M:Right To Vanish, User:One Night In Hackney, and refers to Brixton Busters as ONiH (or 303, part of ONiH's signature). Brixton refuses to respond to Gaimhreadhan, and this just fuels this. Several editors (User:Tyrenius, myself and Alison, have asked Gaimhreadhan to stop doing so.. referring to Brixton Busters as ONiH is a violation of good faith and WP:CIVIL. Both Alison and myself have talked to ONiH off-WP, who insists that he is not User:Brixton Busters and that he (ONIH) has no desire to edit WP full time any more There's a discussion slightly above the block notice on Gaimhreadhan's page with Alison's final warning prior to the block. SirFozzie20:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
SirFozzie, thanks for summing this up so eloquently. I've transferred your comments over & the unblock request has now been resolved. Thanks again! - Alison☺21:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I diden't even know that there was a limit on the reverts to a page or user. I diden't even know that there was a 3RR when I made reverts on the Gahanna, Ohio page, but now I know after reading on the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule page. I am so sorry for that mess-up I made, I apologize for that mistake and it will not happen that way again with me.---OHWiki20:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, that's absolutely no problem at all! In the end, you did the right thing and reported the other editor who had been totally uncommunicative and was at something like 8R or worse. Happy editing :) - Alison☺21:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Image license question
I hope you can answer this for me. On RC patrol, I came across this edit with an edit summary, "editor contacted me via e-mail to rescind his free licenses and invoke copyright". I didn't think that was allowed, is it? Flyguy649talkcontribs21:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Allo.
Since gerry's been unblocked as not being a sock of runcorn, wouldn't it make sense to also remove the sockpuppet template from gerry's ip address here?
(I didn't want to do it myself juuust in case it looked bad) Bladestorm22:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I was pretty sure I'd live to regret talking TD into editing his userpage down. He's started to put back bits of misogynistic crap, and I suppose he figures we won't notice if he does it slowly enough. It's worth keeping an eye on: I predict it will need to go back to MfD within two weeks. Acroterion(talk)02:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I've taken out the mysogynistic nonsense, for his own sake. WP:MFD beckons otherwise & waiting a day then re-adding it is being contemptuous. Thanks for the update - Alison☺04:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
This arbitration case is closed and the decision has been published at the above link. Miskin (talk·contribs) is cautioned to gain a consensus on article talk pages before making further edits if his first edits are reverted. Swatjester(talk·contribs·blocks·protections·deletions·page moves·rights·RfA) is advised to take into account the length of time between previous blocks when blocking users, and to treat all editors violating the three-revert rule fairly. For the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher13113:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Dear Alison, in hopes that a previously uninvolved admin can take a look at the devolving discussion at Talk:Battle of Washita River. I've been involved in attempting to come to some kind of consensus here for awhile, with not much luck, as conversation has now mainly devolved into editors Custerwest (talk·contribs) & HanzoHattori (talk·contribs) sniping and making personal attacks on each other. I came down badly sick on Monday just as an offer by Phaedriel (talk·contribs) for informal mediation was refused by default (refusal to participate by HH, doesn't seem CW's "agreement" to participate was very genuine either, as it was full of snipes at HH). I just came back into the world of the living to find that devolution has continued to devolve, now with Felix c (talk·contribs) looking up information outside Wikipedia about Custerwest... oh geez, I already knew all that stuff about CW myself weeks ago, but isn't putting it up on a talk page as Felix c did tantamount to personal attack?
I'm exploring another option to try to improve things that Phaedriel suggested, before moving on to RfCs, but meantime was in hopes that a previously uninvolved admin could take a look at the personal attack issue there.
Thank you for your beautiful words and warm wishes on my birthday, dear friend! I took a well-deserved one-day wikibreak and spent it with my family and my friends... and actually had a beer after months of forced abstinence! :) Of course, there's no way I'd forget about you, so I saved a great, tasty piece of chocolate cake just for you - but sorry, no beer left! Again, thank you so much for taking the time to wish me well, and have a wonderful day, dear Allie! Love, Phaedriel - 08:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Sweet Allie, I've had a wonderful gift all through this week, every time I saw your shiny name appear at my watchlist, and whenever I visited your talk page and saw for myself you're back with us... I can't say this too many times: I've missed you so much, girl :) xxx, Sharon
shemale afd
I came across article shemale which was afd'd recently. I saw your vote and thought i would discuss. Result of afd was merge and redirect, but article is redirected before merging, and no mention of shemale in transwoman article, yet. My point is shemale and transwoman are different as sex and gender. shemale: biology and transexual while transwoman:sociology and transgender. The word by itself is not derogatory, but calling someone is derogatory, it is just like calling a male as a female. like i call a man as woman. I feel it should be restored until merged or it should be keep. Lara_bran09:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Alison. There's an ugly dispute going on at the Jat people page. Can you please look into it being an uninvolved party. There are facts being presented by both sides which could be verified. I am a new user so I wasn't sure where else to ask. (I have sided with one party on the talk page but I might have gone overboard). Thanks and regards. -- Amit17:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks for doing this. I'd forgotten to make that change over there. :) I found out you did that edit when I discovered that someone vandalized my pages there. Acalamari23:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Alison, and thanks for your participation in my RfA. I've withdrawn it, and will be writing up an "analysis" of it, which will soon be available at User:Giggy/RfA/Giggy when it's done. Please come around when you get the chance, and give me feedback on how I can improve. Thanks again, GiggyUCP04:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Done - thanks - Alison ☺ 09:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
(Sarah777)
A Cluestick, to be used on users, who despite the urgings of many, many others, insist on having huge flags on their userpages. ;) Have a good drive and flight. Flyguy649talkcontribs 04:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Gold♥ 14:37, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Fully protected - discussion time. This template was semi-protected recently but the revert war obviously didn't stop - Alison ☺ 20:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Already protected. - thanks, Riana! - Alison ☺ 22:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Done (Commons hosted image, nothing you could have done, taken care of *me whistles innocently*) ~ Riana ⁂ 14:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Unprotected - reduced to semi-prot. If the revert-war starts up again, it'll go back on. I note that there has been no updates on the talk page in 6 weeks since my last message - Alison ☺ 23:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to User:Alison, you will be blocked from editing. - Alison ☺ 08:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
User(s) blocked. - probably. There's an endless supply, it seems. However, keep reporting them and I'll keep blocking them - Alison ☺ 02:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
