User talk:Drmies/Archive 67

DYK for De kellner en de levenden

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:03, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

excellent, thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for helping about the Forezine (Anime Forever) until next time :D Carlo ramos08 (talk) 14:56, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

A50000

Can you block him now? He's just going back to my user talk constantly and saying that he's right and everyone else is wrong.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:22, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

• Come on Ryulong. They left you three messages since the 14th. If you don't want them on your talk page, tell them they are forbidden from posting there. You know, or should know, what admins can and cannot do, and what you've outlined is never a sufficient reason for blocking someone. Drmies (talk) 14:15, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
• BTW, where's the ANI discussion? Drmies (talk) 14:22, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

  The ANI got archived because it was from last month. And all he's been doing is going to my user talk and bothering me because I told him to stop edit warring. I told him to leave me alone (and I archived my user talk) but he's still a SUA and an annoying one at that.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, I read the month wrong. Look, they've made four edits in the last month. If those are disruptive, it can't be all that disruptive. I'm as trigger-happy as the next guy, and if they return to that nonsensical edit-warring over communist and socialist they will be blocked, but not for their recent edits. Drmies (talk) 19:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I're opening a new ANI thread on him because he has persisted in messaging me over this bullshit. I will be mentioning you within it.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

restoration

as discussed at ANB. Thanks. I've always considered this one of out most unaccountable deletions. DGG ( talk ) 08:40, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

• Sure thing, DGG. Drmies (talk) 14:11, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Politics of Kuwait

I removed the biased part ('the Kuwaiti government manipulated the results').

“ From the years 1981 until June 2006, Kuwait was divided into 25 electoral constituencies due to electoral gerrymandering. Kuwait's electoral districts were split into 25 constituencies in order to over-represent the government's supporters (tribal people). In July 2006, a new law for electoral reforms was approved which prevented electoral gerrymandering by cutting the number of voting constituencies from 25 to 5.

In Kuwait's 1967 parliamentary election, there were reports of ballot stuffing, miscounts and other irregularities in order to decrease the influence of the liberal opposition.

”

Can you explain which part is POV? Riggingfraud 01:10, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

• "There were reports..." is fine, I suppose, though it's probably better to indicate what reports, when, who published them, etc. If it's some UN committee, for instance, that reported it, "According to a UN committee that reported on the 1967 elections..." lends credibility and authority (besides preciseness) to the statement. But in your first paragraph, "...due to electoral gerrymandering..." and "...in order to over-represent..." ascribe a cause and a goal to factual statements, and that again can't be said in Wikipedia's voice, unless these are widely acknowledged truths. But, then, that they are widely acknowledged should be indicated and proven. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:30, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit of my page (Manil Suri) made by you

Hi - you made some edits to my page - wanted to discuss with you. Should I post them here or on my talk page? (Apologies for being a novice....)Manilsuri (talk) 21:13, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

• Let's go to Talk:Manil Suri. Drmies (talk) 22:16, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Sending you an email

About this. Hope you don't mind! Risker (talk) 02:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• I assume there's a $20 bill attached? Drmies (talk) 03:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
  • You are correct. I have billed you $20 for the pleasure of receiving my email. ;) Risker (talk) 14:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Ha, well played! You'll go far, Risker. Drmies (talk) 16:20, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
      • I already have. Risker (talk) 01:45, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

For you

	The Admin Barnstar
	For all your hard work around here, ... much appreciated. (ALT. File:Karl Schweninger (attr) Morgenstern.jpg) Hafspajen (talk) 08:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Hafspajen! But you got me--is there an actual mammal in there? And LadyofShalott, have you read Dewey the Library Cat? It's Rosie's favorite book. Drmies (talk) 14:06, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

What, the point is the helmet... Protection, you know... for admins. Hafspajen (talk) 20:32, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Gotcha--much appreciated. Now, that Morgenstern, she's quite a looker. Drmies (talk) 23:49, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I've read the adult book, Dewey : the small-town library cat who touched the world. It's very sweet. LadyofShalott 20:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Gun control arbitration proposed decision

Hello. You have participated in the Gun control arbitration case, or are named as a party to it. Accordingly, you may wish to know that the committee is now voting on its decision for this case. The decision is being voted on at the Proposed decision page. Comments on the decision can be made at the Proposed decision talk page. For the Arbitration Committee, AGK [•] 11:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

thanks

I was tempted to ask you for a comment, but did not know if it would be appropriate, or considered canvassing. It appears almost certain that I will be topic banned, but that's certainly better than the site ban originally proposed. Thanks again for your comment, and the mentoring you have already given in the past. Gaijin42 (talk) 15:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• I kind of lost track of the whole thing, being dragged out so much. I was glad to see the note, above, and to be able to say at least something--I assume it's on time, the decision being still worked on. Yes, that topic ban is probably likely, but I'm still reading all the comments: this was all just before class and I could only look at a few things. North8000 is in more hot water than I thought he'd be but I need to look at a lot more diffs before I can make up my mind about their situation. In the meantime, all the best to you, and drop me a line anytime. I don't care about someone calling that canvassing; you and I have disagreed plenty of times (civilly, I believe) but I have no ill feelings toward you, none at all, and I hope that's mutual. Drmies (talk) 16:09, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I think the workshop is over now, so probably not a lot of reading there anymore. If you comment on the proposed decision talk though, it may still be useful. However, as 4 arbs have already agreed to the indef topic ban, there may be too much momentum for an alteration to 1 year at this point. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. And in the meantime, Gaijin, put a sock in it--I mean this in the nicest of ways, of course. :) Drmies (talk) 22:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Sock put. Gaijin42 (talk) 22:48, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

OER inquiry

Hi Drmies, I'm sending you this message because you're one of about 300 users who have recently edited an article in the umbrella category of open educational resources (OER) (or open education). In evaluating several projects we've been working on (e.g. the WIKISOO course and WikiProject Open), my colleague Pete Forsyth and I have wondered who chooses to edit OER-related articles and why. Regardless of whether you've taken the WIKISOO course yourself - and/or never even heard the term OER before - we'd be extremely grateful for your participation in this brief, anonymous survey before 27 April. No personal data is being collected. If you have any ideas or questions, please get in touch. My talk page awaits. Thanks for your support! - Sara FB (talk) 20:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

comment

What happened at 3:05? Gaijin42 (talk) 22:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• You were typing a comment that was published a minute later...Remind me to look at the North case, after dinner. Drmies (talk) 22:50, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Reminder. I think we are all at 6 votes for our remedies now, which is enough for them to pass, so its probably futile at this point, unless you have some amazing pull or oratory skills. Gaijin42 (talk) 01:29, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• OK, stop canvassing for me to fabricate a magic wand. Listen, even if you don't get the leniency you'd like, you can always ask, via AN, for that ban to be revisited. If you keep your nose clean you might find a lot of support. Drmies (talk) 01:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
• Ah, Beeblebrox just cast his vote, I see. Well. Sorry Gaijin, that I couldn't do more--at the same time, don't think I'm a power player or anything like that. Drmies (talk) 01:40, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Im confused. I was not asking for you to fabricate a wand. As I mentioned before, I intentionally did not ask you for a comment to avoid any sense of impropriety, and to avoid stepping on our relationship. You asked me to remind you. So I did. I interpreted your comment just above that you wanted to review North's case, (presumably because you may disagree with the remedy proposed and would comment to that effect) I was just saying I didn't think there was much value in commentary at this point, since the votes are already in. [also] I was under the impression that ArbCom bans had to be appealed at ArbCom, can AN really handle those appeals? Gaijin42 (talk) 01:46, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• Why are you confused? I don't care about impropriety: I wish you hadn't gotten an indefinite topic ban. Your note here wasn't canvassing, as far as I'm concerned, since I had made a comment or two much earlier on in the process in regards to you, where I suggested leniency as well. As for the other thing, see WP:UNBAN. Drmies (talk) 01:52, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I feel like I'm smoking something. You said "OK, stop canvassing for me to fabricate a magic wand." I took that to mean you thought I was bugging you too much on this. Maybe I'm just confused and misreading things due to the drama and stress. Ignore me now :) Gaijin42 (talk) 01:57, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry Gaijin--I thought by now you were used to what some call my "sense of humor". I was trying to be lighthearted. Don't give up hope yet: one of them might rethink their decision, maybe after a really good dinner. It's never over till it's over. Drmies (talk) 02:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For helping with the closing of the RFC at SCUM Manifesto Drowninginlimbo (talk) 02:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Question, anyone

Why have I lost my button, Wiki markup? Is this a new fashion again or my mistake? absolutelly nothing there to push to get it on. Hafspajen (talk) 22:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• I'm not sure what button you mean, Hafspajen. I will tell you that the other day my Twinkle pull-down menus had disappeared, but they returned. Drmies (talk) 22:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Good for you. There was a thing that you could push, and gave you the choice Wiki markup, to the left, down. Now is not there. I am singning it by alt ctrl ~~. It is a bit tiring.

Sometimes it changes to other options like 'insert'. You should still be able to find that button a cms below the 'save page' button. Click it and then choose 'Wiki markup' instead. What really confuses me though, is when WikiEd goes wrong! SmartSE (talk) 22:42, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Ha, it's back. Whoever it fixed that, thanks!!! 22:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)22:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)22:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)22:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)22:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)22:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)~~ fun to be able to use that again Hafspajen (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

RE: Disruptive editing, Bundy standoff

Your claim that my restoration of a deleted subsegment in the article Bundy standoff has no consensus is in serious error. I refer you to Talk:Bundy_standoff#Question_of_whether_Info_box_and_links_to_court_findings.2C_briefs.2C_etc._should_be_moved_to_articles_on_the_court_cases

I know that there is consensus in this issue because I called for a vote desiring that it be removed or split and was overruled by consensus. As per Wiki Standards it is not I being disruptive but you. It is you who are in violation for deleting the material without calling for a new consensus. Further I noted that consensus had been reached when I restored the segment in my note on my edit which restored the mass delete that was done without discussion. Please bother to read before you go off accusing others. I didn't like it being there, I lost to consensus - I play by the rules -- so should you.--Wowaconia (talk) 22:39, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Your comment is interesting as an Admin that had the page on complete lockdown agreed that consensus was reached as per talk page and agreed to remove the tags calling for consensus. See [[1]] So I do not see the need to self-revert as I think your definition of what is consensus is unique to yourself.--Wowaconia (talk) 22:56, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• I think that, rather than leaving your comments over here, you should go over to Mr. Stradivarius and thank them--that they were able to parse your grammar ("The consensus appears to be no split concerning subsegments calling for discussion of such in the article, concerns over O.R. in these segments have been nullified by quotes and citations") is nothing short of a miracle. Now, tell me where the edit request, the section linked, or the edit made have anything to do with keeping that content. "Not splitting off" does not mean "keeping". Drmies (talk) 23:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Concerning Mr. Stradivarius' edit, if you look at the other requests made to him during the Page Protection you will see that he refused to do so because no consensus was reached on those issues. See Talk:Bundy_standoff#Protected_edit_request_on_19_April_2014, Talk:Bundy_standoff#Protected_edit_request_on_20_April_2014, Talk:Bundy_standoff#Protected_edit_request_on_21_April_2014, Talk:Bundy_standoff#Protected_edit_request_on_21_April_2014_2. Recognizing this I provided a link to the segment with the vote tallies to indicate consensus had been reached. Apparently he agreed because mine was the only Protected edit request he granted.

You are quite correct that I am very casual in talk pages as opposed to the formality used when writing the article. Its also true that I did not hold other editors to formality in their votes and I didn't make some kind of claim that "don't split" was not the formal "keep" and so could be disregarded - I'm sure that had I done so they would've considered that an ethics breach and a fallacy. Speaking of fallacies - if you're going to resort to ad hominems against me, i.e. "you have bad grammar therefor you are bad and your logic must be bad" - please have the courtesy to make such claims on my talk page. I only came back here to copy the links I had placed before, otherwise I wouldn't have known you were addressing me here at all.--Wowaconia (talk) 23:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• Wowaconia, please don't put words in my mouth: it's a kind of personal attack. I didn't say that you are casual or anything like that. I just said that that sentence had a very challenged grammar. I said nothing about your grasp of logic either, though I note that in one single paragraph you manage to make me say something I didn't say about formality, make me say something I didn't say about your "having" bad grammar (which is semantically challenged), and falsely accuse you of an ad hominem attack. Also, your account of the Stradivarius edits is very confused, and I don't see any vote tally anywhere. Drmies (talk) 00:06, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
• I don't know much of the editing history here, but Drmies, you did breach the 1RR restriction that's been placed on the article (as now noted in the new, more visible editnotice) with this edit after this one. I guess this'll serve as your official warning, but yeah, we can't do that. It would seem that the dispute is over, so of course blocks wouldn't be of much use now, but if it happens again, well, you know. After all, disregarding the lawful community sanctions in an article about what some people consider to be an act of a scofflaw has got to be some kind of irony, right? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:40, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Ha, Writ Keeper, the age-old question of whether a removal is a revert. What is uncontroversial, of course, is that my opponent did make two clear reverts. Drmies (talk) 00:06, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, that's why I gave them a warning, too. I suppose I can see where removal=/=revert is coming from, but I'm of the school of thought that says "err on the side of caution", and that, being admins, we need to be even more careful than others, lest we be seen using our so-called "authority" to edge others out. Avoiding the appearance of abuse can be almost as important as avoiding abuse itself when it comes to drama, yeah? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:16, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
      • That idea has been around long enough; ask around among the dinosaurs. I suppose I'm one of them. Drmies (talk) 00:19, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for input

Hi Drmies. I've been working on and off on a sort of guideline for pages about organizations. Our BLP document focuses on respecting their reputation and our guideline for medical articles on sourcing - this one is centered around WP:NOT. Because it would be controversial for me to meddle in actual policies and guidelines, I was thinking about just doing it as an essay.

If you or any stalkers have thoughts/input, I'd love to hear a few more voices on the document. Also, do you think it's ok for a paid editor to post an essay? As I understood it, they are basically like opinion pieces. I also wrote WP:COIMICRO a while back, mostly so I can cite it myself when abstaining from something. CorporateM (Talk) 00:08, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

• I will have a look, Corp. Posting an essay, I suppose so--if someone is allowed to edit then they should be allowed to have user space and use it, so to speak. Drmies (talk) 22:45, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
• I gotta say, Corp, you wrote that up pretty nice. I can't, off the top of my head, tell you what you're missing--many of the things you mention, you hit the nail on the head: they are precisely the things I have been running into for years. Well done. Drmies (talk) 22:57, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I meant whether I should post it as an actual essay, rather than in user-space. CorporateM (Talk) 00:06, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh I see - I am now reading Wikipedia:Essays. It should probably be a guideline IMO, but I want to avoid COI drama. It would be more useful as at least a Wikipedia essay, where it can be pointed to with at least some authority, but oh well. CorporateM (Talk) 04:08, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, that's too complicated for me. A guideline--aren't those typically done after peer-review or under the auspices of a Wikiproject? Drmies (talk) 17:04, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

No idea - I presume that the process for a new guideline would be too arduous to feel like a rewarding use of my efforts, so I suppose I am somewhat partial to a Wikipedia essay. The content - I think - is representative of community norms and not just my personal opinion as suggested by a user essay. But I think I will follow your advice and just leave it there for now. CorporateM (Talk) 05:22, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Ha, Corp, did I give any advice at all? I agree that your essay, or whatever it is, gives proper guidelines and does reflect widely-held attitudes. So if you want to move this to give it some more authoritay, or propose doing so, you have my blessing. Drmies (talk) 16:35, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

For your involvement in the spectacle at Talk:Sarah Jane Brown

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

On a serious level, I have no doubt your actions were well-intended, but it should be fairly clear that there are a number of issues I am alluding to when I left this comment. If you are not clear about that, I'm happy to elaborate (but there would be at least a couple of extra issues to add to the matters I raised with the user who reverted your closure of the discussion sometime after your rolled revert). Either way, I hope you will take the feedback in the spirit that it is intended. Ncmvocalist (talk) 10:26, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

You seriously went to the trouble of writing the above to defend the reintroduction of the 1950s? How about Mrs Gordon Brown (wife of Gordon Brown)? Drmies: when you delete this, please delete my pointless waste of time as well. Truly pathetic. Johnuniq (talk) 12:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi John--no, I'll let this stand. In the 2050s when, no doubt, my talk pages will have been published on papyrus, they'll want to look at this. I think you're right: there is no reason why we should let her keep her first name. I'm surprised to find that Category:Married women never existed here. On a serious level, as a feminazi, I am honored to dedicate this edit to you. Drmies (talk) 13:57, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

You should have a chat with the sexist neanderthals here who willfully voted to disambiguate someone based on who they were married to. It's a great demonstration of wikipedia's systemic bias against... wait, is that a dude?--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I will, once I've done my nails. Drmies (talk) 14:08, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Obi, you said on Bushranger's talk page that sometimes a term or article title is to be used even though it conflicts with our own POV. That "wife of x" is unacceptable as an article title is surely not just my own personal opinion--it is broadly, broadly shared, here and elsewhere (including by Mrs. Drmies, who is hardly a "feminazi"). That the newspapers have used that phrase in this case isn't all that relevant, and at no point would I advocate to leave that information out of the article--that would be stupid and I believe you were right when you said I had some sense (I believe you have some sense too). But there is a huge difference between title and text, and the eight move discussions combined have offered a lot of possible different titles, many of them neutral and inoffensive.

I had a quick look earlier at the discussion you linked, and the "gens" thing seems to be to be a difficult proposition. If there are other, reasonable options, those are to be preferred, of course. But you can't expect me to not exercise my judgment (supported by two other admins, at least--no, three, including NYB, at least) because some Roman dude is identified by his wife: that would be silly. (Also, OTHERSTUFF etc, of course.) And while the PR aspect doesn't weigh all that heavily, it's important nonetheless that we do not have an article for a prominent living person (notable in her own right) named in what many perceive as a sexist way of identifying someone. BTW, if we were to have her that way, I do not believe that we are systemically sexist, but it would mean that we have a sexist title. That is, I don't think it's our policies, but unwise decisions made by editors. I have no doubt that the "wife of x" proposal will fail, and fail miserably, but in the meantime we are putting on a show needlessly. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 17:33, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

what would mrs. Drmies think of the fact that you define her only as your wife (and therefore, property)? But I digress - the main point which you touch on is demonstrably false - eg news organizations, when they write article headlines, would quite often refer to her as 'SB, wife of GB' or even sometimes simply 'wife of the PM does so-and-so (no name!). Not in the running text, but in the headline. No-one has demonstrated that anyone outside the wiki bubble cares, or cared - during the several year period where her bio was titled that way, Nary a tweet has been found complaining of same. I saw how you changed the lede to put things she is less-well-known for in front of what she is most well-known-for, and unsurprisingly, your change is now out of synch with every other First Lady and first husband on the wiki, but hey at least you've done your bit. It's a symbolic, meaningless and ultimately anti-reader act (and way out of synch with how RS intro her) and you know it. This isn't the wife of some obscure writer with notability earned elsewhere, this was the spouse of a head of government of one of the most powerful countries around, and you nor anyone else has yet to demonstrate or explain why describing -NOT defining - but describing her In that way is sexist - I suggest you look up sexism which means discrimination based on gender, and no-one has shown that Denis thatcher was treated any differently by RS or would be treated differently here if need presented itself (indeed we used to have many more 'husband of' articles until a pointy editor moved them. It's ironic that you all rush to defend one of the most privileged women on the planet but Sharbat Gula will likely remain just an "afghan girl".. (For a laugh, see if Wales is willing to reach out to her for comment!) Maybe it's spousist but it's not sexist. If you- and I mean the broad 'you' of well meaning male admins- really cared, there would be much more concerted effort to strike such imagined sexism, and a real content effort, but it hasn't happened and won't - for one because it would be idiotic to rename a bunch of Romans who truly are best known in sources as Wife of X or father of Y.. Whether alive or dead is irrelevant, sexism in a title is sexism in a title, but as always, big flurry, one high profile case 'fixed' then back to normal. I did an informal survey of 7 women in my office, none of them wikipedians - and showed them the old page title with 'wife of' and asked them what they thought. Crickets. No complaints. No 'zomg sexism'. We have 99 other 'wife of' articles, and at least twice as many other articles where people are dabbed based on their relationships - father, son, daughter, mother. OSE is important because when people make an example of something, I expect it to be generalizeable - eg women shouldn't be ghettoized in categories and that's a good principal and defenders of the wiki poured their passion into it, even trying to block myself and JPL for gender-NEUTRAL diffusion (ultimately both failed and were called witch hunts, and broad consensus supported those moves which is why American novelists is now empty.) but today, a year later, I find ghettoized cats every day, and I can count the number of people working to fix it on one hand. No-one cares once it's out of the spotlight, the outrage is symbolic and not real. anyway, I pointed you to that husband discussion so you see no blocks were issued, the person who made the request remains in good standing, the move request ran it's full time, and people participated based on logic and policy not ZOMG it's sexist to call him her husband!!! You're familiar with mob mentality and unfortunately that's what happened today, as well as egregious edit warring by admins, and an abject failure to understand what consensus means (I counted 6 votes to keep the move open against 7 to close it at ANI, but whatever that's what IAR is for, right?). If wikipedians - especially the male-self-appointed-saviors-of-misogyny were truly neutral they'd set aside their conceptions of what is sexist and what isnt, and focus on how reliable source treat a subject and take our cue accordingly. Did you know Tarc tried to close the FIRST move request, to simply 'Sarah Brown', calling it misogynist? When such a term is tossed around so lightly and with so little care to its meaning, we lose all credibility and it masks and devalues real misogyny like the defacement of Anita S? article.-Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:20, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Obi, you need a cool drink of something--your paragraphing has suffered severely. "Mrs. Drmies" is used facetiously, of course, and with her permission for satirical purposes. I could actually name her but I prefer her reputation not be tarred like mine, by association. Look, some discussion over a dead Roman is never going to raise many hairs, but that's not what we're talking about. Closing your eyes to that difference is counterproductive and, really, myopic. You will have noted that I have broken a lance for that IP editor (even if just a small one), so don't confuse me with known trolls and manhaters like that Tarc person (I'm just looking for an excuse to block her--my vengeance will be swift and terrible). That IP editor was blocked for all the right reasons, in my opinion and, again, I was not the only one--and they weren't blocked for their proposal, but for the disruption associated with it, and a judgment that they had been disruptive for quite some time. I can't speak for the merits or demerits of Tarc's "Sarah Brown"; I simply have no opinion on it. And I'll say once again, that the papers call her "wife of x" is perfectly normal (that's what papers do), but it doesn't mean we should name our article that way. Best, Drmies (talk) 20:27, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

For the record, I didn't attempt to close a Move Request per se, I attempted to obliterate it completely via revert, the way one would do with any similarly disruptive trolling attempt. It didn't matter what the editing-behind-an-IP person actually chose for the target move; "Sarah Brown" was a smokescreen for the next move request back to "wife of..." as I correctly predicted right at the beginning. Like Punxsutawney Phil, I am the prognosticator of prognosticators. Tarc (talk) 23:10, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I think you just gave me a valid reason to block you, Tarc: polysyllability. Ah, where's Davidiad when you're trying to use fancy words? I tried to take the long view, toward the future that is, and I knew very little about the past, though I can count to eight--and in numbers of move requests, eight is a pretty high number. Oh, Tarc, since you're so clever, why are army camels so hard to see? Drmies (talk) 23:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Some editors have a hard time even imagining the possibility that they could be wrong and the consensus is against their point of view. The easiest way to try to dismiss someone you disagree with in a Wikipedia debate is imply they are acting emotionally ("mob mentality") while one's own reasons are impartial, balanced and impeccably in line with policy (as they interpret it). But consensus trumps policy and even a newbie knows there is a huge difference between a BLP and a figure of ancient Rome and different standards might apply. I agree that article titles are important and no living person's identifying characteristic should be that they are the spouse of someone (male or female). If his or her marriage is their own claim to notability, the article should be sent to AFD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:25, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm wrong around here lots of times; look a tthe battles I waged over WP:CUM & WP:FAG several months back. The thing I do not do is keep hammering away over and over month after month, year after year. The same band of cronies has been trying and failing to move both Hillary Rodham Clinton to Hillary Clinton, Sarah Brown to something not Sarah Brown and so on, for YEARS. When I lose a battle, I drop the stick. This seems to be a lost art in this day & age. Oh and Drmies, you can't see them because they wear camel-flage, of course! Tarc (talk) 02:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Tarc, I think knowing when to drop the stick is one of the keys to longevity here. Also, choosing which "battles" (figuratively) are worth arguing for or against and not taking on every disagreement as a win-lose situation. Also, a little humility goes a long way towards easing tensions with other editors. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Notice of RfC and request for participation

There is an RfC in which your participation would be greatly appreciated:

• Talk:Gun_control#RfC:_Remove_Nazi_gun_control_argument.3F

Thank you. --Lightbreather (talk) 15:08, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Drmies, at your suggestion I removed and summarized the Cottrol quote in the US article.Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:12, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Nice. Anythingyouwant, it's always a pleasure doing business with you. I don't know if you're really a rose or not, but some of your comments smell really good. And thanks for setting me straight: I skimmed through the article and just didn't see it, in part I think because I was looking for different phrasing, and then, after some cursor mishap, I was lost somewhere else in the article (I do believe it's bloated...). Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 18:21, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I am a rose, a talking rose, and anthingelseyouwant (within reason (unless it is not the season for reason)).

Hey, I got my gun permit yesterday from the state I live in. Yippee! It goes straight into my safe, along with the gun which also has a trigger lock, for use only in the most unusual and unforeseen dire circumstances. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:35, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Speaking of guns and roses, I learned something new today about the floral industry. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I think you can source that reliably to those newspapers at the supermarket checkout. Anythingyouwant, I don't know what to say. Congrats, I suppose, and I assume you're not as terrified of the zombie apocalypse as some others are. In my state you would have been deprived of this pleasure since no permit of any kind is required and everything is legal, except for guns disguised as walking canes, apparently. Drmies (talk) 20:19, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

those are already banned by federal law anyway :) Gaijin42 (talk) 20:26, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I do not anticipate a zombie apocalypse---but I'm ready! When I was a kid, my class at school went on a tour of the FBI building in DC. This was before the J Edgar Hoover Building was built, so we're talking a lonnnnnng time ago. Anyway, I still remember the exhibit of criminals' weapons, e.g. canes with gun hidden inside. There were umbrellas too. Maybe we need a sub-article about umbrella-guns, though I think it would be better to have umbrellas hidden inside guns.  :)Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:33, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Drmies, I find it shocking that prior to the bill signed into law a few days ago, the good citizens of your neighboring state of Georgia couldn't bring their guns into churches, school zones, and airports. Oh, and of course, bars. Nothing goes together so well as guns and alcohol! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:47, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget about this important right!Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah, the right to bear arms where you bear children. The woman with a gun in one orifice and bags of meth in another made me wonder why the garment industry produces so much women's clothing without pockets. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:43, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Guns in other places. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:47, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Charming, X. Yes, Mandarax, it's ridiculous. I think I told you that since the new legislation they put up "No Guns Allowed" signs all over the place, including on my building on campus--so every morning I am reminded of the madness that, at heart, not allowing a gun somewhere is a privilege and should never be taken for granted. Freedom from guns is not free, obviously, and one wonders if the gun lobby and the signage lobby are in cahoots. Fortunately our campus has been peaceful, though we had a shooting at another school last year. When that peaceful streak ends I'll have to have a word or two with the gun owners/worshipers/advocates, if only for some venting. Drmies (talk) 22:36, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

A magic brownie for you!

Straight from the 2014 Cannabis Cup in Denver. Looking around at your talk page, you look like you could use a nice cup of tea and tasty snack guaranteed to make you forget your troubles for a few hours. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 21:41, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

• Excellent! Did you win anything? I think I told you we might be heading out that way this summer: I'm looking forward to it. Still, listen--it's basically weed they're selling, right? Not hash? And is it so strong that you roll your spliff with, or without tobacco? Drmies (talk) 22:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
  • You can find anything you want, although its a bit overpriced from what I hear. The stores tell you the percent of THC and CBD, including for hash. They were handing it out and passing it around, no need to buy anything that weekend. I don't smoke except for medicinal purposes now, but after being on my feet and in a plane for 18 hours, I was in so much pain I couldn't stand it, and someone walked up with a bowl of hash. One hit just about put my lightweight butt on the floor, but two minutes later, the pain was completely gone. People who say it isn't medicine have no clue or have never had real pain. I have a standing prescription for hydrocodone for my back and arm (10+ years running), but didn't need any that weekend. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Ha, I have the same prescription I think. Take me with you next time! Mrs. Brown wasn't with you? Drmies (talk) 14:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
      • No, I went solo. Honestly, not as much fun alone. I expect to take her with me to most tradeshows, we even have a doggysitter now. She doesn't partake, but she would have enjoyed the spectacle of it all. You and I do need to meet up some time. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 14:17, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
        • Your dog can stay here. Drmies (talk) 14:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Notice of RfC 2 and request for participation

There is an RfC on the Gun politics in the U.S. talk page which may be of interest to editors who participated in "RfC: Remove Nazi gun control argument?" on the Gun control talk page.

• RfC: Replace existing Nazi gun control paragraphs?

Thank you. --Lightbreather (talk) 22:32, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

PS: That rose is gorgeous. (Yellow is my favorite kind.) Also, how do you put pictures up like that when someone opens a new talk section? Lightbreather (talk) 22:32, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

• That's an ancient mystery, Lightbreather. (Try this.) You know, I did post that rose for you. Drmies (talk) 22:37, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Cool. I will check it out. Q: Do you plan to vote on this 2nd RfC, which is a companion to the one you voted on April 25? Lightbreather (talk) 00:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Zimmerman...again

He's back again, same page as before. Would you like to do the honors? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:26, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

• I protected the article for a year. How's that? Drmies (talk) 14:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
  • That'll work. :) Thank you, Sir. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 15:31, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Weird

Theatrical superstitions Hafspajen (talk) 05:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Might be the result of the large number of bad fires- like in the Theatre Royal, Exeter which burnt down three times. The new (2013) Sam Wanamaker Playhouse is entirely lit by candles. I suppose if you're working inside a potential bonfire you're going to be a bit superstitious! Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:19, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Fascinating stuff. I was aware of the Scottish play thing, and one or two others. It needs some help, obviously. Drmies (talk) 14:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Got a laugh out of an edit.

On List of serial killers by number of victims, the following was added, "This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries. Please do not expand the list by killing people." Bgwhite (talk) 05:37, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, that's pretty good. Careful: don't let the serious people see it. Have a good weekend Bg, and thanks for the cheerful note. Drmies (talk) 13:00, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

That gave me a good laugh. CorporateM (Talk) 05:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Jerry Pepsi

I think this and this, along with various deleted comments on hir talk page or elsewhere, and of course the disruptive editing pattern, have wasted everyone's valuable time long enough. I suggested WP:BRI a while ago, and I see no regrets or good will on the horizon. Chunk5Darth (talk) 13:32, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

• I believe you already saw this, by the way. Chunk5Darth (talk) 13:34, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
• I did. Sorry, but why are you posting this here and not in the ANI thread? Drmies (talk) 13:57, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I saw that you warned JP so I figured you would be the one to follow up. Chunk5Darth (talk) 17:41, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Cultural isolation

FYI, Ya'll used to have one, the Aussies have one, the Limey have one, in fact there are a whole bunch more, ours is the coolest. Time to take the kids swimming (we will be over shortly, please have some tea ready). --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:26, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

• Sure. The pool looks great. I'm a bit sick, though--but I felt a lot better after my extended puke session at 1 AM. Drmies (talk) 14:31, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Hehe. Kelapstick, the dudes over there should totally copy your animated banner and change it to "Beer. Football. Bratwurst." or something. And I hope you, Drmies, get better soon. De728631 (talk) 14:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
    • I saw that banner; it's pretty sweet. For the Dutch, replace "Bratwurst" with "Kroketten". Thanks De--I haven't felt this bad since Alabama played in the SEC title game, and it's been going on for days. Drmies (talk) 15:06, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Seta Dadoyan DYK

Hello Drmies,

I just wanted to follow up with the DYK nomination. I made the specifications you suggested by adding a quote from the source. Étienne Dolet (talk) 07:10, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

• See Template:Did you know nominations/Seta Dadoyan. Drmies (talk) 16:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, I made the necessary clarifications. Étienne Dolet (talk) 17:47, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. I may get to it later today. Drmies (talk) 18:49, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Food article

	Where is your article on Vogelnest - Vogelnestjes?
	It looks looks tasty Hafspajen (talk) 16:41, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

stefania sazelet?

Scotch egg? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:54, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Now you have "egg on your face" Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

That's a bit strange. nl:Vogelnestje (eiergerecht) is a stubby little thing wikilinked to Scotch egg ... but at Scotch egg they mention nl:Eierbal, which to this non-foodie looks closer. And has a longer article. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:07, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Se here http://www.utazzitthon.hu/program-1907.html Ok, this Stefania sazelet is coming from a Belgian princess, whom married into the Habsburg –house and thus popularized the dish in Austro-Hungary. This how it bacame the Nr 1 Easter food in Hungary, actually. Or is it called stefania vagdaly? [2][3] from Stephanie Clotilde Luise Hermine Marie Charlotte van België. Hafspajen (talk) 17:39, 27 April 2014 (UTC) Looks like Vogelnestjes ... what, is it called birdhouse????[4]Hafspajen (talk) 17:43, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

AH, they were made from the beggining with quail eggs? , ^{take your eggs and push them in the meatballs}...

That's an interesting site! Someone quotes a top chef who says he likes his eggs in the Vogelnestes to be runny. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Will they keep runny in the owen? vogelnestjes ugh in tomato sauce? Mrs Ajiesj's recipe- Birdsnest [5] [6]Hafspajen (talk) 18:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

• Bleh. Puking and diabetes is not a good combination, and this talk of food isn't helping much, haha. On the bright side I've lost three pounds since Friday, so you all enjoy your meat and eggs--I'll stick to apple juice and glucose tablets. Drmies (talk) 18:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Ugh, poor you.Hafspajen (talk) 18:53, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Aww, poor Drmies :-( Yngvadottir (talk) 20:37, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Help with article about Autographer?

Hi Drmies, I'm reaching out to you as you had previously declined a AfC submission for the Autographer. Recently, OMG Life, the company that makes the Autographer, hired me to draft an article for their product that complied with Wikipedia's standards. I've since researched and drafted a version of the article that I feel is more appropriate, and I submitted it to the AfC queue last week.

Over the weekend, an editor named Anupmehra reviewed the draft and declined the submission, stating that the article was too promotional. Specifically, they asked that I "[r]e-write exactly what appreciation and criticism it did receive by various reliable media sources. As such, "Autographer is called 'excellent camera ever made' by AAA"".

Now, I'm not inherently opposed to making these changes. However, I feel like it would actually make the article more promotional by listing who has actually praised the product, as the section would then read to me like a series of product endorsements. For what it's worth, I pride myself on using neutral, non-promotional language in drafts that I prepare for clients and propose here on Wikipedia, so I definitely want to do this the right way.

Do you have any thoughts about how best to move forward here? Do you think Anupmehra's comments are valid, and I should update as suggested and resubmit, or do you think that making these changes will make the article seem more promotional? Thanks so much! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 16:08, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

• Well, praise typically needs to be qualified by the addition of the praiser. But I looked at the AfC and I don't understand it. There's two articles or two versions there, it seems, and I don't understand why the references for that second version don't show up--some syntax issue somewhere? Drmies (talk) 16:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Because there was already a version of the article in the AfC queue with that name, I had to submit as a new version of the same, instead of a clean submission, thus the two drafts (although note that I had no role in the first draft). I can't figure out the syntax for the second reflist either, though; it's clearly in there and works if you pull it out separately, but having the old version there seems to screw things up. Do you want me to play around with it and see if I can get the refs to work so you can take a look more easily? ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 17:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I think that would be helpful, yes. Drmies (talk) 17:25, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I fixed the reflist issue. As you can see, I've mentioned the folks in prose that match the sources, so I'm just not sure how to rewrite this without it coming across as being very promotional. Curious on your thoughts here! Cheers, ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 17:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey again Drmies, just wanted to check in and see if you'd had a chance to take a look at this, now that the reflist is fixed? As mentioned, I feel like adding in all the specifics, beyond what is already there, would make the language far more promotional that it currently is. Curious about your thoughts here! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 13:54, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• I moved it to article space. Let's see what the wolves will do with it. Drmies (talk) 00:14, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks so much! It looks like there's a duplicate photo in the article now, though (or rather, two nearly-identical photos). What do you think about removing the first, and moving the caption under the photo in the infobox? ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 16:29, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• Your call, Chris. Drmies (talk) 14:20, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

re: Philomena (film)

Have a look at that edit. It's been removed once before by another user too. It's clearly some IP-troll adding their 2 cents. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 19:20, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

• I just reported them to the 3R noticeboard. They'll get their block. Actually, I should do that myself right now, but you know, propriety and all that. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:24, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Unbelievably, I work full-time, and have done all my adult life. 18,000 articles over 7 years or so, is about 7 new ones a day. Cold winter nights and a few CDs have a lot to answer for. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 19:54, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Opinions requested...

...at Talk:Astor Opera House#Question regarding an author's name. It's pretty trivial, but it would be nice to settle the matter. BMK (talk) 16:07, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Providence (religious movement) noch einmal

Following the AN/I discussion you closed on 26 March, the blocks of the COI editors, and your sock blocks on 9 April (SPI report here), we have had user TESTIFIRE adding material to the article on 24 April in this edit (5243 bytes) that is verbatim identical to material added by the banned user Macauthor in this, this, and this edit (2342+1227+1674=5243 bytes). The Korean language sources referencing the material have already been questioned on the article talk page by Harizotoh9, I have followed up there today, and I have reverted the re-addition to the article per WP:PROXYING. Notice that while user TESTIFIRE is new to English Wikipedia, they have edited Providence related articles on Japanese Wikipedia (GUC) where their account was created in 2010 (log). If my reversion per WP:PROXYING is fair, I assume that remedies apply. Would you advise me to file an SPI? Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing 18:33, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• Didn't we have an SPI already? Might as well go for it: these cats are tenacious. I blocked this one and I'll semi-protect the article: these ongoing MOS violations (note the second word in the heading was capitalized) simply cannot stand. Drmies (talk) 19:51, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
  • The obvious breach of MOS was deliberately left out of my report: common courtesy had me hoping this upsetting transgression would be overshadowed by lesser infractions such as socking. Yes, we did have an SPI on MrTownCar, mentioned above parenthetically, and we now have, as I doubt we have heard the last word from these devotees, a pro forma SPI on Macauthor here. Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing 18:57, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
    • Those things are serious, especially in a religious article: God's grammar is impeccable, and He really wrote the MOS. Thanks for filing. Drmies (talk) 19:06, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I kid, I kid!

Take a swim, jump in the pool...

--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:42, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• Huh? Are you about to get banned by ArbCom? :) Drmies (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
  • [7] --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:48, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

What's the penalty for reverting an arb? 20 lashes? I'm still a bit worried about all that. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:48, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Mandatory participation in the next 20 arb cases. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Aww and I just got reverted by a well meaning tp-stalker. Your stalkers are just NO fun.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:56, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• Ha! Well, Obi, I didn't know you were that interested in looking at the junk dangling from my bottom, so to speak. In other news, I'm on the phone with the IRS (I got through to them but Ms. Adams inexplicably hung up), so you might expect me to vandalize some other pages. Is Basalisk an arb? Who made that legendary reptile an admin in the first place? Ah, nominated by Dennis Brown, I see...the riff raff is holding the door for more riff raff to enter! Don't you glance at me, Basalisk! I don't want to die before I get the rest of my tax refund! Drmies (talk) 19:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
• Haha Hafspajen--thanks. I'll keep it for now, though I do want the ladies to know that when I'm talking to them I'm like James Franco. Plus 30 pounds. Drmies (talk) 19:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

File:One Eyed Minion.jpg

It's good to have minions.

Of course I'm part of the Dennis Brown cabal, but I don't think he has the authority to unilaterally appoint arbs...yet. Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 20:06, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

You may want to check today's WP:CFD. Just a fair warning. You've been discovered, rebel scum.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:13, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm so glad Dennis is done with his wikibreak. Drmies (talk) 20:14, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Was the section heading a tribute to Triumph? I love Triumph! However, according to his page, it's spelled "I keed, I keed!" MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:10, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

• Triumph? TRIUMPH? As in "Allied forces, of every nation; Allied forces, gonna take control; Allied forces! Of my generation! Allied forces, of rock and rohohohoholl!" Drmies (talk) 21:13, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I heard triumph ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Alright...who farted?

Oh, it's an artificial dog. I poop on artificial dogs. Drmies (talk) 21:30, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, well I fart in your general direction. --kelapstick^{(on the run)} 01:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Somebody open a window.--Maleko Mela (talk) 02:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Good memories. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:37, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, that's completely new to me. Conan O'Brien? Never watched him, sorry. If Mandarax wants me to watch something I'll try it, but otherwise...which reminds me, I have the Pasolini Trilogy of Life here on DVD. Apparently it's X-rated. Drmies (talk) 03:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• Basically, the only time I ever watched Conan was when Triumph was on. (Nothing against Conan; he's entertaining and a talented host. He's actually one of the best, judging from my limited exposure, but I just don't tend to watch any talk show.) Triumph's appearances generally weren't announced ahead of time, but fortunately, people who live in easterly time zones (and thus saw the show before it aired here) would let me know when to tune in. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:29, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• on discourse Drmies I'm consistently impressed by the high level of discourse one finds on your page. It's sort of like a rough biker's bar, but without the erudite conversation and refined language. Or maybe it's like a bunch of 12 year old boys at camp, just less mature. You certainly have friends in low places. A wretched hive of scum and villainy indeed...That should be the headline of this page -User_talk:Drmies - the dive bar of Wikipedia, where everybody knows your name.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 02:06, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

un plaza

hi doc. i have to keep it brief i think ima be banned in a mo: this redirect points to the UNHQ in NYC but there is a UN Plaza in downtown SF near Civic Center with no article, and an apparently notable building in Romania. do me a solid pls and have a looksie? thanks doc /)(\ 173.85.207.230 (talk) 03:16, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• "Yngvadottir" fixed it instead. thanks Doc for letting me use your page in this way. :P 173.85.207.230 (talk) 04:55, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
  • No problem. I hope you're doing well. Yngvadottir, thank you for taking care of business; it's much appreciated. Drmies (talk) 14:38, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Heleen Mees

Hi Drmies. Just in regard to the Heleen Mees article, I've already made it clear to Bmwz3hm that they should not edit the Willem Buiter article, and I'm willing to block if they do. The COI makes editing that article completely unacceptable. And an SPI is currently underway. - Bilby (talk) 03:32, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• I saw the SPI, thanks--I blocked a couple of socks. See also Talk:Heleen Mees; Fluffernutter is on the case as well. Ha, that photograph is kind of funny, and it's true: we didn't have color photography in the motherland in 1984, haha. Drmies (talk) 14:39, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hi Drmies. Seeing the PC on Heleen Mees caused my brain to go into a spiral. I recovered my composure by removing the PC protection because semiprotection means (in my view) that there will never be anything to approve. Please revert if you disagree. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• Ed, no problem at all: I thought I did that, or maybe I tried unsuccessfully: this PC stuff still confuses me. So, thank you very much. As an aside, I got blasted one time on ANI or AN for applying PC (1 or 2, I don't know), and have never touched it since: I don't get it, it's complicated, I find that my own edits are not auto-approved, I have to click too many buttons to revert (or unaccept) something, I left an edit summary in the wrong window the other day, etc. Drmies (talk) 15:38, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Mufaddal Saifuddin

Extremely Sorry, for getting you in trouble in finding solution out of mess created. Please ref [8] and excuse me for the things on my part. I was compelled to do complain against a user, who do not want to understand what Wiki cares. Request a further vigil and guidance on the related articles please.--Md iet (talk) 05:31, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, I'm not in trouble, and what bother I had was taken care of with some aspirin. I will tell you that I am not sure you know completely what you're asking, since it's your edits also that I reverted by reinstating an earlier version. Drmies (talk) 15:39, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
• Thanks for kind reply, and I am relieved knowing you had solution. I am pretty sure what my aim is. You have reverted my edit, that is not a big issue, as my edit(facts) are having reliable Wiki base and somehow they will surface someday, but I am more worried about mail campaign created by miscreant for the false propaganda, not having any reliable base and Wiki is used for the purpose. Earlier version at least do not have much false propaganda(facts hidden) and whatever it have have base, and is clear to public and media. We are trying to bring the facts further as per Wiki norms through talk page. My request to you was related with that only, as one gentle editor is bent upon, not getting the article move forward, and forcing hard his POV (which are not facts), not having any wiki reliable base.--Md iet (talk) 03:31, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
• May I request to get Mufaddal Saifuddin unblocked for one week, as one gentle editor user: Summichum is away on block leave. Let us test how much we remaining editor respect Wiki?--Md iet (talk) 04:57, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

The Matadors (band)

You may want to revisit this article and have a look. An ip editor that recently identified themselves on their talk page as "Joel Parkins" continues to remove referenced material without discussion that you restored to the article. 70.48.219.234 (talk) 14:39, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• Done--thanks for the note. Drmies (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

It's been removed again. 99.249.246.10 (talk) 20:36, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Jason Russell RfC

I had thought was hitting a clear consensus - but there is a dispute about whether it has. Cheers. Collect (talk) 16:19, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• Never heard of him. You learn something new every day. Drmies (talk) 16:53, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Walpurgis night is today.

Hafspajen (talk) 20:11, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

In rural parts of southern Germany, it is part of popular youth culture to play pranks such as tampering with neighbours' gardens, hiding possessions, or spraying graffiti on private property. O what fun! Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:40, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, this is a Day when people get Drunk. Not very safe outside just now if you are peace loving chap. Hafspajen (talk) 20:43, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• It's also Koninginnedag! You Europeans have all the fun. Drmies (talk) 23:24, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Choral singing is a popular pastime in Sweden, and on Walpurgis Eve virtually every choir in the country is busy. Singing traditional songs of spring is widespread throughout the country. (for Gerda) Hafspajen (talk) 23:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Advice

Hi Drmies, I would like some advice on how to get out of a bit of an embarrassing situation I find myself in. I created an article for Cassey Ho, which I subsequently nominated for a DYK but while it was on the front page, another editor nominated it for deletion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cassey Ho (2nd nomination). The article did quite well receiving over 5,000 hits, but it is clear the discussion is heading for delete. I’m a pretty strong inclusionist and believe the article is notable, but I can read the writing on the wall. What I would like to do is have the article userfied and sit on it until there are sufficient in depth sources to surpass even the strongest deletionist threshold. I would also like to have the name WP:SALTED, so that when and if she becomes clearly notable, I can contact the deleting admin to request (if he/she agrees) to move it back to article space. How should I go about requesting this resolution? I am One of Many (talk) 21:10, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm. Well, you could ask Drmies... Drmies (talk) 23:25, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
• OK. What do you want to do? Do you want me to close the AfD early? I suppose I could, since it's SNOWing right there. Salting--I guess, but give me a reason for salting it. Drmies (talk) 23:37, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

First, it would be great if you closed it and userfied it. Second, articles have already been independently created about her twice. She does appear to be quite popular in social media and received over 5000 hits on her DYK, which puts her in the top 5% for the month of April. So, I don't think it is unreasonable to believe that it could be recreated again. In my case, I discovered her a few weeks ago when I was going a google search. I looked at the sources and thought there is enough on her for a short article that is notable. It was about a day before I moved the article to main space that I discovered a previous article had been deleted. I looked at the delete date and noted that most of the good secondary sources came after that date, so thought that there should be no problem now. I was going to ask Mark Arsten what he thought about recreating it, but he has not been here for a while, so I didn't consult anyone. It seems to me another editor might follow the same logic and recreate the article. Salting it might save another editor from embarrassment. If I had not clicked on the red link before I moved it to article space, I would not have known that it had been created before. Would you like me to state all of this at AfD for the record? I am One of Many (talk) 00:20, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• Nope, this will do. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 00:21, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
• Done. Don't worry about embarrassment. It's all good--you created an article in good faith, got a bunch of hits, and now you're rolling along with the consensus. Thanks on behalf of Jimbo Wales hisself and the project. Drmies (talk) 00:26, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! Maybe she will become a porn actress, then notability will be easy! :) I am One of Many (talk) 00:34, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• No, I just saw one that didn't survive AfD the other day. Make her an internet personality, that's a win-win. Drmies (talk) 00:36, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• Cassey Ho Social fitness entrepreneur, cert. Pilates Instructor, Designer. Named Top 100 Health & Fitness Influencers in the World. Tofu lover. Puppy stalker. Maybe she'll be the first person to have a restraining order taken out against her by a dog. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:16, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• She's number 70 (Pilates Popstar) in this year's list, between 69, William Broad, Wellness Wordsmith, and 71, Tara Stiles, The Yogi of the Future. You could play AfD Bingo- work your way down the list to the first Influencer without an article, create it, see how quickly it gets deleted. Reckon by the time you get to Dr. Supplements, they'll get deleted in less than a minute. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:27, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• Interesting, William Broad, Cassey Ho, and Tara Stiles. I am One of Many (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ha! Never thought of checking. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• Drmies, ThaddeusB contacted me today and he was of the opinion that Cassey Ho was notable. I said that I agreed, but that I wanted to wait to move her to article space until more sources appeared. I then decided to do a deeper search and had Google return all hits. I found six more reliable sources, four of which are very important. First, I found two "How to" books that used her as an example of a successful Internet entrepreneur. Second, I found a source (Huffington Post) that stated that she was an Internet celebrity. Third, I found an in-depth article about her in The Salt Lake Tribune about her fitness work at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival. I think these sources push her above even the highest deletionist threshold, but I want to run it by you first for your opinion. The updated userfied article is here: User:I am One of Many/Cassey Ho. I am One of Many (talk) 04:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for SS City of Chester

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:53, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Reverting my edits

What is your reason for constantly reverting my edits? I explained myself clearly and have cited the sources.71.230.71.243 (talk) 18:48, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• I am not "constantly reverting your edits". You are an edit warrior who, after a block, picked it right back up. I will not hesitate to block you again, but I have laid out a path for you on that talk page. Simple. Drmies (talk) 18:51, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

But my additions to that page have been there for quite some time now. JerryPepsi for no good reason, removed them. I put them back. Why does that make me an "edit warrior"? Every addition I made was clearly cited and applied to the page. I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers here, honestly. The reason I re-added the material was because there was no valid reason for ever removing it. 71.230.71.243 (talk) 19:01, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• I am the admin here. I'm not going to make any decisions about content. You two were edit warring, and BLPs excluded it doesn't matter who's right and who's wrong. If you don't know what edit warring is, read WP:EW; Pepsi had some kind of argument, and that's what counts. Look, like I said, get consensus, or ask Summer. She was actually in a 1970s LGBT sitcom spin-off, the now largely forgotten Marcus Welby (Mrs.) , M.D.. Drmies (talk) 20:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

For the record, it was more of a variety show. It was huge in Belgium. - SummerPhD (talk) 21:16, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

New Belgium? Drmies (talk) 23:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow, Summer was in the 1970s LGBT sitcom/variety show, Donny & Marie. Were you a performer, one of the teeth whiteners or one of the non-public, kept in the basement, lesbian Osmond Sisters? Bgwhite (talk) 23:53, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Lesbian Osmond Sisters: Sounds like a good name for an ironic, post-grunge hipster band. It was more like Pink Lady and Jeff, but without Jeff, the hot tub or pop stars. Very edgy, way ahead of our time. The network had asked for a new Laugh-In, which I'd never seen. Like I said, we were huge in Belgium. People used to call us something that I'm told means "the new black", but it was in Dutch or French or something, so who knows. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:16, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Dear Drmies, Thanks for blocking the Waaksnikkel-account. I'll leave en.wiki as soon as possible to avoid importing nl.wiki-problems here. Well, I try to be a guard and defender of neutral, encyclopedic, well-sourced contributions. Every now and then I even find myself fighting contributions that are way below par. For that reason, I presume, I have collected some embittered enemies who would rather drink my blood than die. But I have no intention to create the occasion for them. Theobald Tiger (talk) 21:13, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

• You're in good company, then, though I should warn you that we have the occasional vampiric visitor here. That snikkel-dude, da's natuurlijk gewoon een lul, maar wel een vasthoudende. All the best, Drmies (talk) 03:00, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Another ANI gone off track

Teacup, meet storm. Is it national "dump on Drmies" week? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:45, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Your closing of my ANI comment is a bit off. You are using your closing ineditable! statement to take a position. Ant just that is what is wrong with WP:ANI. Each and every admin edit derails. Please explain, exactly what did I and and lfdder do wrong? Quote, diff please. (As you could have read, lfdder is the one who answered my OP) -DePiep (talk) 00:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC) (not an admin) Atama reverted the changes I forget his name made, then I reverted him 'cause he'd scooped some other thread, and then I reverted myself and picked that thread out and put it underneath the discussion for Tn....so it was Atama who answered it originally. I snapped at Atama for accusing me of disruption -- which maybe I shouldn't have. — lfdder 00:32, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Closing an ANI discussion is not the same as closing an AFD or RFC. Closing is more often done to keep someone from getting blocked, rather than to summarize the proceeding. ANI, unlike the other formats, is an unformatted admin forum. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER It was solved by lfdder. No one-way jabs needed any more. -DePiep (talk) 00:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Seriously, what exactly are you complaining about? It was solved? Ok, Drmies closed it to stop any more discussion. What is the offense here? He told you both to take a chill pill, so what? I just can't figure what you are bitching about, other than to be bitching. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 00:57, 2 May 2014 (UTC) I'm confused. What is happening? — lfdder 01:01, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Don't feel bad, I'm confused as well. I think that Drmies used your name and DePiep's in the close of a discussion, which is pretty common place at ANI, and DePiep is deeply offended. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:04, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Lfdder, no problem. I don't think anything is happening. I didn't have any chill pills, so I made whipping cream, or "whooping cream" as Rosie calls it (which is much funnier). Thanks, and thanks Dennis, Drmies (talk) 01:06, 2 May 2014 (UTC) (edit conflict)In the ANI thread-closing, Drmies found it necessary to tell me and lfdder to tone down; a note that is ineditable (it's the closure). While it happens to be that I made the OP request and lfdder solved it. The rest is the "ANI on ANI". 01:08, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Late signing: User:DePiep Whatever just happened here, I removed the offending comment and closed the new discussion. Why a gigantic and unnecessary storm in a teacup needed to be stirred up, I'll never know. Let's go separate ways and work on articles now, eh? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:11, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Why who stir a teacup then? (btw, the "dupe" you benovelently left behind shows you did't get it, you did't read it, or you otherwise). The full clear cut Q&A is clear. -DePiep (talk) 01:20, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Because it seems you were not happy just being told that some are the good guys and having your name mentioned in the closing. I think you protest too much. I really wish you would drop the stick and back away from the horse now...please.--Maleko Mela (talk) 01:28, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Oh dear. Another admin feeling attacked for me criticising WP:ANI? Did you read my point at all? Well. User:Lfdder, User:The ed17 did. I know, for at least they read my post. -DePiep (talk) 01:57, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Honestly, I don't really care. This isn't admins vs. non-admins. I use my tools rarely and it's even rarer for me to actually edit ANI. From what I read, this is all a gigantic storm in a teacup. Just drop the stick already. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC) DePiep, heb je echt niks beters te doen? Ik leer net dat Nooit meer slapen nog steeds niet volledig is. Drmies (talk) 02:07, 2 May 2014 (UTC) (edit conflict)OK with me. If & when you read this, this is my recap: my single simple request at ANI took 777 edits and two sections to be resolved (you fixed the 2nd one OK). If I hadn't respond to all the distractions, I'd have saved an hour or two (an lose the request). This again is the WP:ANI I experience: bad discussion pattern, deviations, admins-friend attitude (no-wheeling into no-counter an admin), incidental closure reasonings. The most clear point: editors who don't even know the two topics & threads apart. -DePiep (talk) 02:15, 2 May 2014 (UTC) (not an admin) Sorry, you lost me. Would you like for me to get an uninvolved admin from WP:AN to close this? And any time you want to save your time by not engaging in useless chatter, you can. Drmies (talk) 02:20, 2 May 2014 (UTC) My "OK with me" 02:15 response is to Ed17. For Drmies are my 00:25, 00:47 responses, here. As for WP:ANI: Drmies, since you cannot discern the two posts about the topic, I am not the one who needs help. (For example: why invoke "User:Atama" in the second thread [9], which was about your later closing edit only?). And ducking admins -- sure. -DePiep (talk) 02:34, 2 May 2014 (UTC) I can add: WP:ANI discussion quality is the lowest in all enwiki. I posted a quite simple question, and all I get is hours of explanation. Mostly explaining to admins. Adfmins saying "go away" or "don't bother with my task" or "shut up" or "you don't know". -DePiep (talk) 02:41, 2 May 2014 (UTC) No, I think this discussion is a new low, in part because of some density issues. I invoked Atama because they were part of the rationale for the closing. Didn't you cast doubt on the first closing? Didn't I mention Atama in that closing? Didn't I nicely and correctly summarize my first closing in your second thread? Will you not know simply just get the hell off my talk page, since you're irritating me and that yellow rose is not for you? Don't answer that: go away and don't bother with my task, in nice steenkolenengels. Drmies (talk) 02:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Let's review. This MSY guy messes up the Tfd page. DePiep, rather than edit warring or going all PA (you know, the usual ANI drama things) comes to the board and asks for help. Atama takes a good faith stab but pooches it up a bit. Lfdder reverts Atama and commences doing proper fix -- to which Atama leaves an accusation of "breaking" the page [10]. Once it's fixed Drmies properly closes a "dead" thread with an inappropriate closing summary with unjustified chill pill snark -- despite the fact he apparently doesn't even have chill pills. ed17 properly (almost -- I don't get the "dope" reference?) fixes the close (good) but has to add his own snark about teacup / storm / whatever. DePiep comes here to protest, and DB choose to jump in (as if Drmies is a shrinking violet?) with nonsense about something that's name "Administrator's" board being an admin board (common misconception, but see Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Procedures#Reversal_of_enforcement_actions -- "community discussion boards"). Bottom line -- crap begets crap. Don't put crap in closing statements and folks won't churn your talk page complaining about it. NE Ent 03:36, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Ent, that chill pill prescription apparently was a. necessary and b. never filled. I won't hold you in contempt of court for not knowing your hip-hop history, but please don't be so white on my talk page: "Back by dope demand". Drmies (talk) 03:42, 2 May 2014 (UTC) Has the collective mind of Wikipedia gone so politically correct that we should just close with no comment, so everyone is a winner and no one gets their feelings hurt? Maybe issue everyone a barnstar for "Most Improved" afterwards? If you disagree with a close, that is one thing, but climbing onto a pedestal over having your name mentioned in the close is so mild a manner is just silly. Being prescribed a "chill pill" is a major sanction now? The whole of Wikipedia needs a chill pill, and to stop taking itself so seriously, including everyone in this inane thread. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 12:01, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Brilliant Earth

Here is another unsourced statement added by an SPA to an article where I have a COI that I was hoping to bring to your attention. I suppose technically nobody will scold me for removing promotion on an article where I have a COI, but then you may remember how that played out last time ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 01:24, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• Wow, now you're in the jewelry business? Drmies (talk) 02:23, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I thought you were joking around when you asked before. I guess if you can't tell that I am a paid editor on the respective article, than I must be doing good work ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 02:49, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I never joke, Corp. You should know that by now. DYK that my wedding ring is also a refurbie, as is Mrs. Drmies's? Drmies (talk) 02:57, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't wear my wedding ring. Just a worthless hunk of metal as far as I can tell with inflated perceived value due to a clever advertising campaign by DeBeers earlier in the century. The bar I'm building in the garage out of scrap wood is more valuable, because it will have an actual use. But if I were to do that kind of thing, they would be a good place to go. Wouldn't want a an expensive rock to fund violence and the cost doesn't appear to be that much more $$$$. CorporateM (Talk) 03:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• But wouldn't the gold have a more tangible value than the rock? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:02, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• The last diamond I bought Mrs. Kelapstick came from Diavik Diamond Mine. It even came with the proper credentials. I am saddened The money went to Rio Tinto with that purchase, in hindsight. Oh the irony. --kelapstick^{(on the run)} 03:30, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Yup, a lot of ethically sourced diamonds are from Canada, or so says reliable sources. Gold, diamonds, etc., they're all just different kinds of rocks from my perspective. I saw some pretty neat rocks at Heritage Auctions' headquarters that were worth hundreds of thousands of dollars - much cooler than diamonds though. I haven't touched their page in months/years, which is too bad since they have an unwarranted Controversy section. They are so passionate about what they do, we just got dead-locked, unable to produce anything neutral. I'm going to ping them now actually. CorporateM (Talk) 00:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

That's a lot of primary sourcing. Drmies (talk) 14:05, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Yup. I think their CEO was the one that originally introduced primary sources though, in defense of the accusations in the lawsuit. I saw it mentioned in a profile story in 1 sentence, which seems about right, especially since the case was dismissed if I remember correctly. CorporateM (Talk) 15:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Grinberg Method

Now, if all you party people would stop bickering with me and others, surely we can clean up this self-promotional and primarily-sourced mess in a couple of minutes. First one to AfD gets a beer and some bitterballen. Drmies (talk) 02:27, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Heleen Mees - Hengelo, Overijssel, Netherlands vs Hengelo, Gelderland, Netherlands

Sharing my thoughts and explanation of why I had put "Hengelo, Overijssel, Netherlands" in the Heleen Mees article and in the infobox and why it may not be considered overlinking (by people who are not familiar with the Netherlands):

Here you say that there's only one Hengelo. Wikipedia shows that there are at least two-- Hengelo, Overijssel and Hengelo, Gelderland. I'm American and have never been to the Netherlands, nor do I speak Dutch. To me, when reading the Heleen Mees Wikipedia article, I have no idea just by reading it that Hengelo is in Overijssel (although if I click on "Hengelo", that article (the Hengelo one) does say that that Hengelo is in Overijssel). --TheCockroach (talk) 10:13, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

The considerations of TheCockroach are valid, as Drmies (I must ashamedly admit that I was tempted to write MrDries) no doubt will realize: Yes, there are two Hengelo's. But Drmies solution is valid as well: the internal link makes clear which Hengelo is the right one. My suggestion would be to maintain at least the province, either in the text or in the infobox, if only to show that the internal link was not thoughtlessly created. Theobald Tiger (talk) 10:54, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• Two Hengelos? Whoa. You learn something new every day. Well, given that we usually wikilink the place of birth the further specification of province might still not be necessary, but I will gladly yield that point. Thank you both. (And speaking as a northerner, what's the difference between Overijssel and Gelderland?) Theobald, is that "Meester Dries"? That's an ancient heritage... Drmies (talk) 14:19, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Where to go?

I noticed two cases of people-damaging vandalism but I have no clue what next. Off course, they are reverted but is there any possibility to wipe them of Wikipedia-earth? The problematic edits are these two: [11] and [12]. The Banner talk 14:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, if you post it here, then often Yngvadottir, The Protector Of The Wiki and The Friend Of People, comes by and takes care of things. Same school, IP from the same area--let's hope that was it. Thanks Banner, Drmies (talk) 17:27, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Indeed, the Daughter of Iceland (judging the name) pulled her machine gun and shot down the two edits. The Banner talk 20:11, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll buy the first round

I hate to drink alone. Been a hell of a couple of weeks in the real world, and kind of bumpy here. Wish I could share a Red Oak with you now. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:37, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Dutch ballet

We've finally started working on the biographies of the principals of the Dutch National Ballet starting with Igone de Jongh and Anu Viheriäranta. I seem to remember you were interested in assisting with these. You might like to contribute additional content from Dutch sources.--Ipigott (talk) 05:42, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• Sure thing. Drmies (talk) 19:10, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For this brilliant comment.

The Banner talk 14:23, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, thanks. You know I've been reading Hermans and Vestdijk recently? Back to the old country, in spirit anyway. And I just finished Comedy in a Minor Key by Hans Keilson, a writer I'd never heard of before. Drmies (talk) 18:06, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I am unfamiliar with their works, although I have read some. But "reading for the list" for the secondary school exams is a long, long, long time ago. At the moment I enjoy myself with the book "Vegetables for the Irish garden" from the (at least in Irish gardening) well known author Klaus Laitenberger. See also GIY Ireland. The Banner talk 22:20, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

For you

	The Hot dog Award
	This user loves hot dogs!!! This user loves Sadie! Hafspajen (talk) 14:52, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• So does this one--tack sa mycket, Hafspajen! Drmies (talk) 18:09, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

"Beyond My Ken"

My user name is ironic. Actually, I know everything - just ask my wife. (Ducking) BMK (talk) 16:06, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• It was too good to let go. You're married? Someone can live with you?? Hey, the pool is looking glorioso. You should get out of the snow and come visit. Drmies (talk) 18:03, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, sure, we have a great marriage. BTW, what does "insufferable" mean? BMK (talk) 00:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

What do they say

Can anyone translate what this is all about. Is this Polish or something? Hafspajen (talk) 19:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Slovak. "View of the ceremonial costumes of unmarried men and girls from Lower Germany" according to Mr Google. 80.43.196.152 (talk) 19:55, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

OK; so they are not married. But what are they doing with that something in those clothes? Čeština: Pohled na přední část slavnostního kroje svobodných mládenců a svobodné dívky z Dolního Němčí. Vpravo stárek s velkým hodovým právem (Slovácké slavnosti vína a otevřených památek v Uherském Hradišti 2011)... ?Hafspajen (talk) 20:00, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that's a pole in his hand. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:04, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• No it is not. What is it then? Hafspajen (talk) 20:08, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Not "Lower Germany", "Lower Germans". There's still a German-speaking minority in the Czech Republic, including in the town of Uherské Hradiště, close to the border to Slovakia, where the picture is from (judging by the text that accompanies the picture). Thomas.W ^talk 20:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

(tps2) Is he not just carrying a bouquet of flowers, with a cloth cover to keep off the rain?  – iridescent 20:29, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Looks like tea cosy. Hafspajen (talk) 20:33, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Or a fancy wine cooler, since the picture is from a wine festival... Thomas.W ^talk 20:36, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Is this a wine-festival-costume? The hats, boots, the things on their breast - Hafspajen (talk) 20:38, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• Problem solved. Underneath that fancy decoration is a sword, carried as a symbol of power. As can be seen here. And the fancy dress is the traditional costume of the German minority in that area. Thomas.W ^talk 20:46, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ah, a hidden weapon. Thank goodness he doesn't live in the states. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:49, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• The sword can be seen even better here. There's an apple covering the point of the sword, BTW, so that noone gets hurt... Thomas.W ^talk 20:52, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, so I pull up that Czech page and on top...is an ad for Black & Decker parts, since I bought a ball bearing for a lawn mower this morning. This cookie/tracking stuff is distasteful. And the website being advertised (ereplacementparts.com) actually sucks, and I didn't order through them. Drmies (talk) 23:18, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Mmm, nice detective work, Thomas. Do we have a wine festival article? Yes, we have - with no good pictures at all. Hafspajen (talk) 21:06, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

You could steal one of mine from North Carolina Wine Festival if you think they would add the human element. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:28, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• Y'all not watching the Derby? Drmies (talk) 22:32, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Edits

I think we have a problem here[13] Somebody changes data slightly, but not correctly. The dog article data were wrong. Quite a lot of them, and it will take time to verify too. Something is wrong . Hafspajen (talk) 23:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

• I have company over, so I'm not going to have time for deep inspection here, you might want to ping @Drmies: or @Yunshui: and see if they can dig into this. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:28, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
• Sorry, TParis isn't welcome around here, spreading his gay agenda and stuff like that. Drmies (talk) 00:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Hey - uh, I don't get the joke...--v/r - TP 00:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
    • Not a joke, TP. Didn't you block someone for being a big homophobic dick? We can't have such righteousness around this place. Drmies (talk) 00:28, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
    • OK, TParis, help me out--we're having dessert (cookie and ice cream). Please figure out if this Looneyboy needs to be indefblocked already. I gotta jet. Drmies (talk) 00:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
      • Can't - I'm heading out the door as we speak. Sorry.--v/r - TP 00:32, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but help. -That was from the Dennis page, HELP. Look at Stewe Buschemi article, [14] I take the dogs, hurry. He wants to set record in sneeky-vandalism. Hafspajen (talk) 00:15, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

• I'm on it, Hafspajen. Look at my recent edits. Drmies (talk) 00:21, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank God. It will take time put those back. Hafspajen (talk) 00:23, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

• OK, 20 minutes later, after rebooting and all that s**t (I hate Windows, almost as much as I hate Comcast), I come to discover that Materialscientist has already taken care of business. TParis, you're off the hook; enjoy your night out man. Scientist, there's some leftover cookie and ice cream for you here. Hafspajen, good call--thanks. Drmies (talk) 01:03, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

PHuh. I thought he is going to get over all dog articles on Wiki before somebody will get him. Hafspajen (talk) 01:07, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

• Good grief, we all are busy on a Saturday night? I guess we should hand in our nerd/loser cards. Looks like Materialscientist nailed him and did some cleanup and Drmies batted cleanup. We had a friend and two of her two teenage kids over, grilled out some hamburgers and just socialized a bit, so I missed out. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:09, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

• He made 53 edits, all disruptive. While you were eating hamburgers and ice cream, Dennis. Hafspajen (talk) 01:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

• I know I suck, but I was hungry for beef and intelligent human conversation. ANI leaves me feeling skinny. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

No you don't. You are lovely and I was just teasing you. Drmies with his fast connections reverted it all and MAt-sc. blocked. All fixed. Go and enjoy your humans. Hafspajen (talk) 01:54, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Haha, if Jack Bauer had my hardware, the US would have been nuked in the first episode of the first installment of 24. Drmies (talk) 02:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Put to use at last

Finally ! It seems Johnuniq sent them there.[15] Much better than Jimbo's page. Bishonen | talk 05:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

• Bish, my congratulations and Johnuniq, well done. Honestly I am not as surprised as John seemed to be: cluelessness is, after all, the name of the game. I hope they are aware that "Threads will be archived automatically as "No violation" after 24 hours." Yes, Bish, brilliant: I am proud of you. Drmies (talk) 13:52, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

[Bishonen blushes and twirls.] Drmies, and your brilliant talkpage stalkers HINT HINT, have any of you seen where Shvrs uses wantedly for wantonly, like the IP does? I have asked Odysseus1479 (who first brought it to my attention) as well as Sitush for a diff, but neither of them has been around since. Anybody? I really need proof positive that Shvrs does that, it's the only missing piece in the puzzle which will let me indef Shvrs per WP:DUCK, and give the IP a few days off (it's dynamic). Please, now? Anybody at all? This is getting boring. Bishonen | talk 18:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

Nope, not finding it - just this IP. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:33, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Can't find it either. Insisting on the same sources, though, in the same unformatted presentation of links. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:32, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

(Not specific enough really, Jonathan.) Oh, right, Yngvadottir, that IP! 178.250.118.227! I knew I'd seen the malapropism somewhere before the WP:AN/S IP, but 178.x may be the place I'd seen it. It's on another continent, but may be an open proxy for all I know. (I've been trying to teach myself to identify those, but I'm about ready to give up.) And it looks like Odysseus may have been thinking of 178.x as well. OK, no duck, no block. Makes no practical difference, as the named account is topic banned, which works just the same. Bishonen | talk 20:06, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

Talk:Raju

Was this an edit conflict or did you want to change my attempt at having a neutral header? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

• Mostly the first, and when I went back to see what the problem was I couldn't rightly figure out what was being changed to what and for what reason. (And I was a little pissed because this person was doing terrible things to words and space and time, and I was trying to correct some of that.) Also, I think I was trying to go to bed. So Neil, please go back if you haven't already and do your thing, with my apologies. Drmies (talk) 22:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Pizza on your mind?

François-Édouard Picot, Léda (1832).

Sisters ?

De Pizan, a bread writer, was very interested in producing sumptuously illustrated manuscripts. I'm sure "sumptuously illustrated manuscripts" is wrong here- did you mean to write "twelve-inch Neapolitans with extra Tikka Masala topping and a free drink on the side"? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:12, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

This is where my alter ego User:Frutti di Mare, another bread writer, would make a witty remark, if he hadn't unfortunately been indefblocked a while back. :-( Bishonen | talk 20:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

It's something the Doctor wrote- The Treasure of the City of Ladies. I haven't a clue what "bread writer" is supposed to be! (Archaelogist discovers an ancient writing. After hours of fruitless labour she fails to decipher it. A colleague advises her to take it to a pharmacy- "After all they can read doctors' handwriting". She goes, the pharmacist says "Come back in half an hour"- she returns and the pharmacist hands her two kilos of sennapods, a rubber bung and five aspirin.) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:37, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, in my head, "bread writer" is a Swedicism. Brödskrivare is or at least was the word for a Grub Street drudge who wrote only to keep body and soul together, not for the Love of Art. Expresses the contempt of the gentleman amateur for the lowly professional, dontcha know. Maybe it's the same in Dutch? (Though when I applied it to Frutti di Mare, I just meant he was very interested in (seafood) pizza.)Bishonen | talk 20:47, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

No, it is Chinese, Bish. Hafspajen (talk) 20:48, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

LOvely piece of article, that one. (Treasure of the City of Ladies) French period? Hafspajen (talk) 20:40, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

This has two illustrations of the dormant Pizan and the three visitors, Reason, Rectitude and Pizza Excess Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

• Nice, but that's not the same image. The one I need (if you have JSTOR you can see it in the Dufresne article, in the references) has her in bed. It's really charming. Also, we just went out to eat pizza so yeah, that must have been on my mind. I see now that bread writer, a term I had heard before in English, is so rare (in Google Books) that I should go and change it. Bish, pure Dutchism, for me. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

• Something has just crossed my mind- subscriber numbers starting with DD have become obsolete recently, and probably won't work on logon. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:07, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

• I can't find the image you want either, except in black and white with a disfiguring overprint, but I put this on Ealdgyth's talk page - same scene in a different MS? Yngvadottir (talk) 15:29, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, it must be: Livre des III vertus. Well found! Is that something we can steal? Drmies (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Wonder what the significance of the eye-obscuring green hat is? I've done some searching, but haven't found anything.Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Which hat? Which image are we talking about? Drmies (talk) 22:36, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, the crazy sisters doesn't have hats. Or chin. Hafspajen (talk) 02:35, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Education Act 1962?

• Ask Newyorkbrad... I already fought the law, and the law won. Drmies (talk) 02:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

What is New York brand, a new article? Hafspajen (talk) 03:06, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

• (Speaks very slowly, and with hand gestures) In the image of de Pizan in bed. To the left of the throne is a woman in a green hat. New York bradawl is a type of hand tool for making holes. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:12, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Handshakes, handshakes.... [16]Hafspajen (talk) 14:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

German

Do you or any TPS now the CSD template for copyright files on German Wikipedia? I don't want to go over there asking in English, I don't know if they are any more friendly than the Swedes are. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 21:05, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Why not? Germany requires school students to speak English as well as German. Mostly everyone over there should be bilingual, and friendly.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 22:24, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

An experiment in foreign relations perhaps :) --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:28, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

No, don't have a clue--maybe De728631 does? I didn't recognize anyone else in Category:German Wikipedians, and I'm not asking Hoops gza. Cyberpower, we have had some bad interwiki experiences, haha. Drmies (talk) 22:32, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes well their help desk invites questions in English. Asked. Much thanks anyway (both of you). --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:35, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

If this hadn't worked, you might have asked User:Future Perfect at Sunrise or User:Sandstein who both edit at dewiki. I think they know about copyrights as well. EdJohnston (talk) 04:34, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, true--I should have thought of them. Thanks Ed. Drmies (talk) 04:36, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

It came with a response that it would be the opinion of the uploader that w:de:Datei:Eldorado Gold Standorte.jpg had a threshold of unoriginality enough to not be subject to copyright. I am inclined to disagree, but that isn't where I normally edit, so I will leave it to them. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 23:11, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Manual unblock

re [17]. 22:30, 3 May 2014 + 48 h = 22:30, 5 May 2014. And of course, unblocking would occur automatically. What is on? -DePiep (talk) 02:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

• DePiep, what are you doing here? I thought I asked you to stay away. Now, I gather that (in human language) you are saying that the block was about to run out? (I don't do the Wiki time; it's too complicated for me.) To which I say, oh, was it? I'm sorry, then, that I wasn't able to get back to the matter earlier. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Sarah Brown

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Sarah Brown and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for arbitration;
• Wikipedia:Arbitration guide.

Thanks, 131.111.185.66 (talk) 03:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

• I'm glad I didn't run for ArbCom. Drmies (talk) 03:47, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Autoblock of 216.38.130.164

Hey Drmies, hope you're well. I just wanted to ping you and let you know that I altered the block for User:Vox Brevis to not autoblock IPs for account creation. Since the sockpuppeteer in question was Kaldari, 216.38.130.164 is actually used by the Foundation's guest WiFi network. Since we hold edit-a-thons from the office and we occasionally make test accounts, it's pretty essential our office IPs be able to create accounts. If that doesn't work for you, feel free to re-alter the block and we can discuss more. Best regards, Steven Walling • talk 19:22, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hello Steven--I will leave it up to you. If you didn't have matters in hand before, I'm sure you do now. :) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:26, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
• Sorry, thanks, yes I am well--I hope you are too. It's always nice to hear from the main office. Please give my regards to the thinkers, the dreamers, the fat cats, the expense accounts, the ones with the corner office, the pluggers, and of course to the boss. I hope he sent flowers to the funeral for Wadewitz: hardly a day goes by that I don't think of her, and we owe her a lot. Drmies (talk) 19:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear lord...

They're in production for "Sharknado II". On the bright side, my friend seems to have another job! :-)

• Your friend was the dude with the chainsaw from the first one? Drmies (talk) 04:59, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• No, he only had a quick spot running across the screen screaming. But he posted a pic of himself with the star holding a chainsaw today. Whats that dudes name...from 90210? Oh never mind...I don't want anyone to have to relive that show just to figure out his name....oh yeah, Ian Ziering. it was only a click away.--Maleko Mela (talk) 05:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Odd that I would remember his name. I never liked his forehead, I must say. So--on the business of names, I think I knew at some point (advanced Alzheimer's...) that Mark Miller was formerly Amadscientist, but I didn't know until now that you were Mark Miller, a name that (for me) seemed to pop up out of nowhere on ANI. Happy sharking, and maybe you and Kelapstick (and what about MichaelQSchmidt?) can make a date of it. Drmies (talk) 14:39, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Precious serves as a name translator also, but so far I included only User names, not signatures also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ian Ziering, and I loved Avalanche Sharks. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:47, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Wait, now I get it. That was him? I just took a mini chainsaw to his article, which looked like it had been (partially) written by a fan. Drmies (talk) 14:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Netflix has Sharknado available for streaming, think I will see if I can get through it. The wife is nursing an injured friend at her home all night, leaving me alone with dogs, so I have time to kill. First five minutes looks pretty much like a typical B movie. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:47, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Sharknado 2: The Second One, can't wait. Although I haven't seen the first one. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:49, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Also I can't wait for this to be completed. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:53, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow, 15 minutes in, the photography is so bad it's funny. The CGI is very weak, continuity is problematic, makeup effects are stuck on with glue, acting/directing is just bad. I expect to see someone ride a stick horse any minute now. Honestly, the cut scenes are just....bad. Not sure I can get through this without being medicated. Oh, and yes, they blame global warming for the sharknados. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:59, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, I'm glad they got something right! Drmies (talk) 02:31, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Riverview Elementary

In the last few weeks, I've been working with a very enthusiastic group of elementary students who'd like to immortalize their school on Wikipedia. Discussion about this can be found on their teacher's talkpage User talk:Paintflake. As a long time editor I'm aware of common outcomes, but I ask you to be aware. I'm meeting with the student club tomorrow; they've accumulated a fair amount of sourcing. Even if the elementary school page must be deleted (and that seems likely), I believe we can use much of this material to improve the Silver Lake, Wisconsin page, or possible create a school district page. I'm not trying to influence outcomes here, but I ask you allow at least 24 hours before applying any speedy criteria. (They've sort of jumped the gun...) BusterD (talk) 02:31, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• I figured the last part, but obviously I didn't know of a project. Well, I PRODded it--CSD doesn't apply to schools, at least not back in the old days--so there should be plenty of time. Thanks for your note, and please wish them good luck (and tell them it's nothing personal...), Drmies (talk) 04:31, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

I highly recommend writing articles about the school district and the high school these kids will end up attending. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:45, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

As it turns out, the school district is a redlink. The students have been researching their own school quite intensively and aren't yet that interested in the high school into which they will eventually feed. Since their school is one of two elementaries in the joint district, the district page is a very acceptable place to put (some of) this material. For the record, and I know this is a well-watched page, I'm using the temporary account User:Paintflake assistant while actually working with the students today. We're dealing with 30 potential wikipedians, and their first attempt at putting up a school page was speedied (very discouraging for youngsters). I'll propose a page move to the district, apply appropriate tags, and guide the students toward something a bit more encyclopedic. This move to the district redlink will be a net positive for everyone, and will pretty much guarantee inclusion (though definitely not in the page's current form). BusterD (talk) 15:31, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Everyone is working hard here, but I suspect there's a more delicate way to flag the article than to use the ominous PROD tag and describe it as an "unverified, non-notable" school? I certainly don't think there's a dispute as to whether the school exists? Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:02, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Brad, the tag is long gone already. If I had known that there was a group of schoolkids I would have chosen a different route. For the peanut gallery, because you know this better than anyone: "unverified" means not having any references and "non-notable" means, because is an elementary school and thus lacks inherent notability, that since there are no references so there is no indication that the article passes the GNG. It has nothing to do with whether the school exists or not. Drmies (talk) 23:53, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

When I saw this thread and checked the article a couple of hours ago, the tag was still there, or at least it was in the copy I was looking at. Presumably a caching issue or the like. Apologies and carry on. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

If the kids knew how high up the food chain this discussion has risen, they'd be excited beyond belief. I believe I've obviated any need for deletion by moving the page into Silver Lake Joint School District 1, a redlink on List of school districts in Wisconsin. It's a much higher bar for deletion when most school districts can be considered notable. The teacher and I had a pretty good conversation about what needs to happen next. I expect they'll do some citation in the next week, and I'll likely trim the uncited less encyclopedic stuff. We have however discovered User:Katieh5584 as a very young wikipedian of some promise. Just from looking at her talk page archives, you can see she handles herself very well in traffic. BusterD (talk) 00:04, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

BusterD, I'm sending you a quick e-mail. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:13, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk page lurker wandering by...someone is going to have to have a chat with whichever overenthusiastic youth behind the "KBSully" account; if the project is to have an article about the school district itself, then the edit-warring to re-add stuff about pet clubs, multicultural nights, etc...at the one elementary is going to have to be curbed. Tarc (talk) 18:33, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Komet Amps

Dear User:Drmies, my apologies if the Notability tag was not warranted - I am no expert with guitars (although I would like to be someday). I also did not realize that an experienced user like yourself created the article. Best wishes, Anupam^Talk 04:43, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• No worries Anupam; I left you another note on the talk page. Drmies (talk) 04:58, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Guess what?

 Done Le Livre des trois vertus à l'enseignement des dames has just been created ;-). --Azurfrog (talk) 09:03, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Azurfrog, you are the shit, if you'll pardon my French. Thank you so much! (Did I tell you I'm about to order Penguin translations of the Book and the Treasure, for a class on medieval women writing I'm teaching this fall? and I wasn't even aware that there was a treasure!) I see that you guys already have a pretty decent article on fr:Ménagier de Paris; if you like, you can ferry some content (including very decent citations) from our Le Ménagier de Paris. Thanks again for your work and for the note: I really, really appreciate the cross-wiki cooperation, and I'm ashamed that I can't properly write you in French. Drmies (talk) 14:29, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Newcomer with a lot of policy-knowledge

Hi Drmies. Would you have time to take a look at NBAkid? He's new, but knows a lot of Wiki-jargon. See also Talk:India#Overpopulation. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:10, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

• I don't know. If you have an idea who it is, see if there is (or start) an SPI. I don't know those editors in that field well enough, but maybe Sitush does. Plus, it might generate another juicy complaint, eh Bish? Drmies (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

There's something very evocative about their edit summaries, for instance here. Merely your personal opinion and vandalizing. Mmmm. Can't place the user I'm thinking of — there are so many similar people, or "people", they all merge for me, but maybe you can, Jonathan? If you can, I'd absolutely recommend an SPI. The American spelling of "vandalizing" is possibly interesting too. Bishonen | talk 17:22, 7 May 2014 (UTC).

• Joshua Jonathan, Bishonen, I just blocked them for continuing to edit war at India. Sucks, since content-wise I probably agree with them, though some of their sources suck and I hate those bare URLs (Bish, does that ring a bell, how they do referencees?). But anyway, this edit warring is disruptive and should stop. So I blocked, for 31 hours, without reverting since there's plenty of cooler heads that can figure it out. Drmies (talk) 04:53, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

There is this user who repeatedly changes religious statistics, but that's not the same, I think; NBAkid looks like a smart guy to me. So, I don't know either. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:55, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

• Drmies, I think NBAkid has learned nothing from the last block. Similar edits have been made by him, once again,[18], [19] and his best explanation is "check your pov", while no one on talk page has agreed on his edits, recently regentspark had also commented, he also disagreed with these edits. Bladesmulti (talk) 04:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

So how to make the article without any notice after search

Hi Drmies. Now you had do the deletion of my page Kho Boon Cheng. So how do you complete done it without got any notice in Kho Boon Cheng after search? K.b.cheng (talk) 06:08, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

• Two people have "speedy deleted" it, under A7 criteria. [20] Read that to understand how it works. And this version of your talk page [21] shows you were notified of both deletions. More importantly, looking at your article before it was deleted, it was easy to see that it should have been deleted. Wikipedia isn't a resume service. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 14:15, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
• Yep, thank you Dennis. Drmies (talk) 15:39, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Word

I changed a word on your hat at ANI. Then thought since that is unusual I should tell you what I did. I changed the redundant use of "content" to "discussion". My OCD kicked in when I read it. Sorry if that was not proper. Feel free to revert of course if you don't approve.--Maleko Mela (talk) 16:43, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

...and that edit at ANI that I made.......was my 34,001 edit on Wikipedia. I used it just for you. ;-)--Maleko Mela (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, congratulations, and thanks! But what was wrong with "content-related content"? It was content about content... Drmies (talk) 18:54, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Farley Mowat

And my painter is no good, just look at this picture! Send an other one... I would appreciate it.

The article is in horrible shape, reference-wise. I nominated it for Recent Death in ITN, however it won't make it if it isn't cleaned up. I don't have time now (although may in the evening). If you or any literary TPS care to have a go at it, I would appreciate it. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 18:50, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, that dog is in the Prado! Drmies (talk) 04:39, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
• Well, I don't know what it looked like when you posted this, but it's looking very decent now, thanks to the help of ThaddeusB and Anne Delong and others. I was going to suggest asking Eric to have a look at it, but it really doesn't look bad. (But don't say I reviewed it--I'm kind of beat after a day of working and an evening of grading.) Drmies (talk) 04:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
• That "Writing" section is too long for my taste, and the references really don't look perfect. the EL section is way too long. But I'm not going to do my usual hatchet job on this, since a. it's a Canadian article and feelings get hurt easily (Canadians being, as you know, not as strong as their Dutch ancestors), b. there's a lot of attention for this article right now and I don't want to step on anyone's toes, and c. I don't really know this person or their work. Drmies (talk) 04:44, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I have done some hatcheting myself, there was a lot of information that should have been expanded in book articles, I think it has been reasonable cited now, thanks to those mentioned above. The article is still not very well written, but it is better now. And you haven't heard of Farley Mowat? For shame Doc. We will give you a pass on this one, but it will come up at your review to become an honorary Canadian--kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:50, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I love Kelapstick. Mies don't you? tell him if you do. (on his talk page) Hafspajen (talk) 17:24, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't know about you guys, but I am sure feeling the WikiLove. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 18:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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Jean Ranc

sculpture, by Tom Otterness

Painter of the above dog, his Style section needs towing out to sea and sinking with heavy gunfire. I tried following through that story about the auction house and the mis-attribution elsewhere, but got lost somewhere around "private collection in Venice"- one grenouille with a sheep on its head looks much like another. I'd hack it to bits, but that seems a bit… mean. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:25, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

YOU MEAN: the heavy drape animating the scene, re-used some military poses established by Rigaud to spruce up a portrait;

• from the very sharp hands it produced and especially from the very brittle folds ;
• Ranc's art was mainly one of pageantry and colour, in which he certainly was talented;

• The old master had painted busts of these last two ... Hafspajen (talk) 17:32, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The last one is little bit of a problem, you don't PAINT busts, see Bust (sculpture), Hafspajen (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

• Sounds like something JNW could have written. Drmies (talk) 17:43, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Kiko4564 unblock discussion

Hello Drmies, sorry to trouble you, but Kiko4564 (a user you have previously blocked, changed the block settings for, or unblocked) has requested to be unblocked. There is a discussion at ANI which so far has attracted no interest, if you wish to leave a comment, you can find the discussion at Wikipedia:ANI#Unblock_request_by_User:Kiko4564. Nick (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

• Do you still have my email, for my PayPal account? If I have to do actual thinking the rate is double. Drmies (talk) 17:35, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Denis Janot

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Anyone want to block Miley Cyrus' brother?

Because of this fun-filled edit history on Brandon Cyrus, I get my own article. I would do it myself, but someone else should have the fun. Bgwhite (talk) 06:51, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• Wait--"Hello, user "BigWhite" is violating his terms of administrative power by vandalizing our teams page. He has left several rude comments on our page, publicity. Insulting us in our talk page and threatening to block our attempts at stopping him." Why was this deleted? Why wasn't it just tagged with "citation needed"? We all know it's true... Drmies (talk) 23:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

IP activity on Yank Barry article

Greetings! I know you blocked Accurateinfo973 (talk · contribs) recently for his edits at Yank Barry. Can you take a look at the edits of 24.73.100.90 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), who has recently become active on the article? I wonder if there's a connection between the two. —C.Fred (talk) 15:02, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hey C.Fred, it sure looks like it, but I don't quickly see them making the same edits, though they are certainly the same types of edits. The edit summaries (complete sentences, second one beginning with a capital) are similar as well, though that doesn't prove much yet. I don't have time right now to put all those edits side by side, but I see they've been warned for 3R. If need be we'll protect, unless someone else nails the case for block evasion. Sorry, but I got a "luncheon" to go to right now, Drmies (talk) 15:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Iranian-American Religion

Hi Drmies,

Just letting you know, the IP user deleted the referenced & accepted information under the religion section in Iranian American. I think it's important to keep an eye on it. No need to lock it yet though. Thanks, --Bowser2500 (talk) 19:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• The IP user, 67.87.50.54, is at it again. They've deleted the referenced information for the second time within this past week. You may want to look into protecting the page, thanks.--Bowser2500 (talk) 19:29, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Bowser2500, see the talk page. I've given you a 3R warning as well--but you know the score, and you know that I have to look at both sides. I'm not going to semi-protect right now since that would give you an unfair advantage, and I am hoping you all can work this out. Maybe Epeefleche will jump into the fray as well. Between you, me, and the lamp post: have a look at WP:RFC. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
    • Thank you for your swift action. That's all I'm asking, I just want to reach consensus so I can be done with that section.--Bowser2500 (talk) 20:06, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

NOT true in any way. This user reporting me here on this talk page has been blocked 4 times in the past already from what I hear and he is suggesting that i am the one who is working against the rules. THIS IS NOT RR3 and I am allowed to remove what is blatant POV. He is the one who refuses to discuss his news additions to the article with what is at least WP:UNDUE WEIGHT. The real problem is not the editing but his/her disruption of Wikipedia. May i suggest his block for a month and if it is not enough an indefinite ban. Please note that I will NOT be editing this article for as long as this problem with this editor remains (and I am an established editor.) Thanks. 67.87.50.54 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, IP67, feel free to disclose your account, if you have one. That the user has been blocked is immaterial as long as they're not being disruptive in a way that can only be met by a block. In other words, just cuz they wuz blocked doesn't make you right. So yes, you may suggest a block and a ban, you may even request that I come by your house and deliver you a plate full of poutine, but you shouldn't hold your breath for it. Drmies (talk) 22:26, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Conclusion

The conclusion in the DYK nom case seems clear to you, but not to me. The serious comments were made before the article was improved. I wished those who commented would look again. We had toilet paper orientation and men's parking space on the Main page, and that Greek politician, - why not this (by now) decent article on a woman? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• Gerda, I have left messages for all the nay-sayers asking them to revisit the issue. (And I do not think the articles you refer to are directly relevant, but sure.) We'll see; I guess we can let this drag on for a little bit longer. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 22:24, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I did what I could, came to take the arbcom restriction of two comments per discussion as quite wise - see Chopin ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• You know I don't mess with infoboxes, haha. Oh, that is one hell of a discussion. Let me make sure to stay out of it, Gerda. Und was tun Sie am Muttertag? Entweder Sie sind eine oder Sie haben eine--oder beides. Alles gute, Drmies (talk) 23:00, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• You think that was one hell? You have no idea (sorry), that has been the most civil and educated one we had on a composer, believe me. I didn't mind Bach (had to be expected) but am sad about losing GFHandel over it. Discussions on compositions, however, were sometimes rather fun, - I guess all participants enjoyed this short pictured one (only the arbitrators didn't see it) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:18, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• I didn't expect you to mess with infoboxes (everybody who likes a pleasant life should stay away, just I have motherly feelings about some ideas mentioned here), I only wanted you see how I can behave, two comments max, then leave it to others ;) - The awakening: I have no idea why the simple question if this might be better for the readers than this (the same for all his works, and duplicated by a bottom navbox) causes so much emotion? And why we can't simply ask the readers? We could have one version for a month, then the other, and look at feedback. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:00, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

mothers

As you asked above: private is private. Do you remember that the private question about if I ever have sex was answered by my violent romantic affair with the bracketbot? Similar, what I do today: go to church (yes, the one where the Rose grows) and remember some of the lost children with weeping and lamenting ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, I hope you had a wonderful service. I do not engage in affairs with Bracket- or any other bot myself, but I will be glad to defend your honor in the old-fashioned way. And now, I suppose, I will have to Skype or Facetime with my own dear mother, who couldn't steer me right, though she tried. Happy Mother's day, Drmies (talk) 13:43, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your very appropriate edit notice! - I was touched seeing your name with a lost child, the one with the Shakespearean sonnet attached. - I can tell you that much of private life that the real service was here today, no secret, compare, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Someone chopping DYK

Looks like this article from the main page will be vandalized, will you keep an eye on it? Thousand-year Rose, DYK, did you know... Some guy from Boston, using different IPs, twice by now. Won't be up all night watching it... Don't tell me it is not interesting with the C-vitamin, because it is, see Rosa canina article, mentioning it too . Hafspajen (talk) 22:22, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• I blocked the offender for 31 hours. They have 4 edits, all silly vandalism. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Now is an editor trying to remove the same thing, and the whole thing is sourced... I am reverting too much now. Hafspajen (talk) 23:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Here, it is the Germans who wrote this, from the Cathedral, they should know... http://www.domsanierung.de/en/1000-years-age-rosetree Hafspajen (talk) 23:28, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• I only see one edit on Thousand-year Rose since you edited, and nothing was removed. Rosa canina hasn't been edited in a few days, so not sure what you are talking about. I did go ahead and protect the first article for a few days. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:31, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
  • 31 hours...you're kind... Drmies (talk) 23:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
    • I've been drinking. A nice French Malbec. Went nicely with the homemade soft tacos. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• Me too, red vine.

this 1, this 2 and this 3... Hafspajen (talk) 23:39, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• Wait this too... [22]Hafspajen (talk) 23:40, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

While the anon edits in question lacked edit summaries, they were certainly not vandalism. The content that was removed is not specific to this particular rose plant and belongs in the article on the species, Rosa canina. The anon edits also removed the erroneous bit about "Rosa canina L.", which is simply Rosa canina with a binomial authority (and which Hafspajen has since reinstated yet again despite my edit summary). These changes were unequivocally improvements on the previous version. mgiganteus1 (talk) 23:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• I will leave the content decisions to you guys. I just protect, block vandals and sample wine. Anything else is beyond my pay grade. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 23:44, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
• Mgiganteus, I agree. Hafspajen, please don't be too quick on the draw. DYK draws a lot of attention, and not all of it from vandals. Drmies (talk) 23:47, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't agree at all with your edits and comments, Mgiganteus. Yes, this is a specific rose, and there are a multitude of ssp. and varieties of R. canina. And why would it be wrong to descride the rose and the different forms, and specifically this one? It is about the rose, also my DYK rew asked for it. There is absolutelly NOTHING wrong with it. It is a traditional description of a rose, I have seen much more detailed descriptions of subspecies, I should know how to describe a rose, I am working in the field. I have been studying botanic for five damn years. Ask an other botanist, ask . ‎Sminthopsis84. Ask a gardener. Ask PaleCloudedWhite . See the Template:Did you know nominations/Thousand-year Rose. Hafspajen (talk) 23:50, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

[prune] Hafspajen (talk) 23:59, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• Kids, not here. Article talk page please. But agree or disagree, it's not vandalism. Drmies (talk) 00:01, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

I have a diploma in landscape architecture from Alnarp, I should know how one describes a simple Rosa canina, for Chistsake. Hafspajen (talk) 00:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

:) Drmies (talk) 00:15, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• And this edit was vandalism, [23] if your reading this right from this point unitl the period can you tell obama im trapped in space and my oxygen is running out or just tell and astronaut asap, its may 9, 2014 at 4:07 right now and help me.

• and this too, [24]«•»ok so im trapped in space and have been stuck for 11 days and im running out of oxygen so please tell an astronaut or contact NASA and get them to contact me i really need help and its may 9th, 2014 at 4:12 pm that im writing this so when the next period comes in this paragraph its not me im just hoping someone will help me i dont want to die so if you want to save me get NASA to contact me asap.«•» grrr. Hafspajen (talk) 00:34, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Purdy pictures, different Rosa canina flowers that look very different all of them
Those are ALL Rosa canina, blast them all, YOU CAN'T just say Rosa canina and hope people will know how the damn rose looks like, wha? Hafspajen (talk) 00:58, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hafspajen, I can assure you that I know nothing about flowers (ok, a little about cannabis flowers), but the gallery is overkill, and like Drmies said, this belongs on the article talk page, not here. If I were Drmies, I might even be a little frustrated over having my page turned into a pictorial debate. Please use the article talk page so any and everybody can participate if they so choose, and we can go back to talking about babes and booze here. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• WAs only showing you that not one flower is like the other, not one, and ALL are called Rosa canina. If it should be something I really know about is plants and among them exactly roses. You just can't say that there is no point in describing this specific plant, when every second vild rose looks different. And removing the text three times. And telling he was right when he was wrong. Removing half the article from a DYK, that is not very usual. Hafspajen (talk) 01:11, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• I'm not arguing your logic or point, I am clearly too ignorant on the subject to do so. I'm just arguing against your choice of venues. Be a friend to Drmies, and move it to the article talk page. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:20, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

[25]. If he asks me to do it I will. He is rather in the habit off getting his page turned into galleries. And used to leave them as they were. Hafspajen (talk) 01:30, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• Um, he already DID. "Kids, not here. Article talk page please. " above. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:31, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• Or is this the Swedish iconoclasm Nr II ? I did a god job with that article and all I get is shit for my DYKs. Hafspajen (talk) 01:33, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• No you don't get shit, Hafspajen. You got a couple of vandal edits, which is to be expected at DYK, and a couple of constructive edits, which you may or may not agree with--but the article is no longer yours and that discussion should be taken up on the talk page. You did a great job, and my girls were very impressed that there was a thousand-year old rose tree (Rosie comes and tells me every day if I have new roses on my rose bushes, in the back of the yard), but you know, collaborative editing and all, you take the good with the bad. If it hadn't been for collaborative editing you wouldn't have run into that wonderful man Dennis Brown and that awesome human being Yngvadottir and that writer with all the XXXs and "prog" or "frog" in their user name. And while I enjoy a picture gallery as much as the next guy, they make loading this talk page very difficult especially when I'm mobile, so don't make them too big please. (Which is why I'm about to archive...)

  On another note, we're watching 24. When I grow up I want to be Jack Bauer, if only because he has something he believes in. Plus, he's a total fucking badass, and he has more tattoos than me. Drmies (talk) 01:39, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, if you will archive this page because of me I am more than proud. Finally. And ever since the Swedish circus because of the pictures I am a bit sensitive about people removing pictures. Dennis didn't blocked you - yet - but the Swedish guys made me leave the Swiki, because they went removing the pictures from the talkpages, and it is still an open wound. I am not editing the Swedish wiki any more. Hafspajen (talk) 01:43, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• Look, you know that if something gets vandalized a post here gets an immediate response, and that you have more than one friend here. But if you have a discussion about article content here instead of on the talk page, there's a few problems. First, I don't know nothing about roses and stuff, but, second, if there's other editors involved, like Mgiganteus, it's only fair that the conversation take place on neutral ground, so to speak, and in a place where it's more accessible for future reference. That's the article talk page. And when I say that "I agree" with Mgiganteus, that's not to say that I agree with whatever they added or removed or whatever--it's to say that those edits are not vandalism. Drmies (talk) 01:54, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• [26] Moved discussion to talk page. The Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences . Hafspajen (talk) 02:08, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• You know, if you read a Wikipedia article on a mobile 'phone it shows the name of the last person to edit the article in a banner at the top of the page. Except when I do it. Then it just says "XXX etc. prog? frog?" Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:34, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

American politics arbitration evidence

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"Roman Catholic" vandal back

using 209.33.108.146. What happened to the filter, I wonder? BMK (talk) 16:59, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. Blocked for obvious reasons. Will investigate further later on. Drmies (talk) 00:01, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Continued "jousting" in the The Matadors (band) article

Hello Drmies, I noticed that you've had past "dealings" in this context. Could you perhaps have another look at this article, there appears to me to be a bit of potential edit warring starting up that maybe should be nipped in the bud before things heat up even more. There has been a pre-existing request for discussion and consensus on the article's talk page for several months now challenging the appropriateness of including some (in at least a couple of editor's opinion) rather sketchily sourced BLP material, however despite that longstanding request an editor has decided to repeatedly re-add the contentious material when it it is removed in lieu of prior discussion. The sources being offered in support in this instance appear to consist of selectively copied and pasted text that seems to be lifted directly from Facebook strung together with what could easily be described as a distinctly non-neutral personal attack against an individual. In my opinion there are some personal axes being ground here specifically in regard to that individual and a persistent refusal on the part of one editor to seek consensus on the talk page before re-adding the disputed material to the article. It's already been pointed out to them that neutrality is always important in articles and that the handling of BLP material demands a certain "sensitivity" according to our policies. Whether or not the material is ultimately included, in my opinion, is less important at the moment than following policy and arriving at consensus through discussion before the material is in fact included. thanks 99.249.246.10 (talk) 02:06, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. I semi-protected the article and then sent it to AfD. Please use paragraphs. :) Drmies (talk) 14:07, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Hopefully the protection offered will provide some breathing room in order for meaningful discussion to occur. I am somewhat concerned about non neutrality in that, there appears to be some strong partisan participants involved that could skew both the talk page discussion and the afd. Sorry about the initial lack of paragraphs. I was a little more 'wordy' than I initially intended. :) Thanks again. 99.249.246.10 (talk) 16:37, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

User talk:209.33.108.146

Hi Drmies. Sorry to bother you, but I noticed that you recently blocked the IP address here. This person continues to edit their own user talk page and make disparaging remarks about someone named "Johnathon". I was wondering if there was something you could do about this? I'm certain what they're doing violates some policy or guideline.

Thank you. I Feel Tired (talk) 02:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Dutch brick

Hi, I don't know if you can find anything more on this. Perhaps you could find some useful examples domestically and more in Dutch. I've nominated it for GA as I think it's a decent summary, but you're most welcome to further add to it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:35, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ernst, I came across an interesting tidbit. The bricks are named for the river that the clay comes from--so there's IJsselsteen, Rijnsteen (totally not like rhinestone, haha), Waalsteen. You have a picture with "ijsselstene" (South-African spelling, I suppose) in the caption. That nomenclature also included a standardization by size which, if I had to guess, is a 19th-century invention. Problem is I can find plenty of mentions for the individual names (with prices etc., like this list of hits) but nothing in general that explains this (I learned this from the Dutch article "Baksteen"). See also this list on the Dutch wiki. I'll browse around a bit more. Drmies (talk) 13:52, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
• But here is my question: how Dutch is "Dutch brick"? I just found a couple of things but they're in Dutch and they obviously don't speak of "Dutch brick" but of "brick. This discusses the history of the brick industry in the Netherlands, for instance. Is that appropriate here? Drmies (talk) 13:58, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
• Also, I think you should consider a different image for the lede. I can't tell the bricks in that image since the big stone blocks are so much more prominent. Surely we have an image of a building, town hall, church that demonstrates the brick better? Drmies (talk) 16:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your input! It's a loose term I believe to refer to bricks exported from the Netherlands. But some background on brick making in Netherlands etc I think is very relevant.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Beards!

Keep on rocking in the free world! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:19, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Chuck Kardashian!♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:57, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

• Surely someone noticed that the Dutch finished second? That has to be our best results in decades--as a reminder, I'm old enough to remember "Ding dinge dong"--"tikke-tikke-tak en dan bim-bam-bom, de tijd was om..." Drmies (talk) 15:15, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
• OK Joshua Jonathan, so the Dutch were making fun of their prime minister for his English, but they'll take credit for "Ding-a-dong"? Brrr. Non-Dutchies, click on the sound file, and then consider writing Steenkolenengels. Drmies (talk) 15:17, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

From Romance to Realism; the Cow and the Lawyer

• Belgian cow painter Louis Robbe- yes I know he's Belgian and not Dutch- dyk that Louis Robbe was a lawyer who had a major influence on Belgian art by introducing realism in the painting of animals.(alt) that before Louis Robbe taught them to paint animals realistically, Belgian artists painted them romantically. (There's a "sleeper" in the auction tomorrow) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:24, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

• I'd consider writing him up, but I see the WMF is using either that page or nl.wikipedia for another of their experiments in eyebending modernity, so I am unable to determine whether we can use the pics, or indeed to view them without starting to get a headache. So I'll leave it for someone else and that way there indeed may be a DYK. Yngvadottir (talk)

• "I've" done a rough translation (ahem) and the sandbox story looks quite straightforward (boy meets cow, boy goes on to fantastic career as artist, cow moves to city and becomes a burgher) and if no-one else gets the idea to google Belgian cow painter (and see the individual way the horns are painted) I'll have a piccy later on. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 05:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Good :-) I now see a Commons category linked at the bottom, and there are a number of his works. Why our technological overlords have to complicate things, I don't know, but there they are for the pickin'. Yngvadottir (talk) 06:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, yes, I saw that too somewhere the other day--maybe on the French wiki? What they could do is making something for the mobile Wiki so I can click on a picture in an article and *gasp* see it. Drmies (talk) 15:21, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
• Xanthomelanoussprog, my apologies for fucking around on your user page. I couldn't resist. Drmies (talk) 15:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for that- much appreciated! (and the edits)- been a bit of a rough day (friend died) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Case request declined

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Drmies-- Academic Eitism

While I appreciate the insight as to the "orignial research" aspect of Feminist portion of this page Academic elitism I would appreciate if this could be restored currently as to improve the quality of the writing. I am "new" to this wiki editing business and am currently trying to complete an assignment. I am including journal article summaries/ feminist author insights as to this standpoint of acacdemia being "elitist" and have yet to complete all of the academic citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssumlin (talk • contribs) 02:50, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ssumlin, while the writing was problematic that wasn't the main problem. It needs to be established first of all that there is valid discussion of something called "Academic elitism", and that such discussion warrants an article separately from Ivory tower. "Academia being elitist" is simply too vague a statement to condense into a noun phrase that is both a valid title and a valid topic for an encyclopedic article. You can try and write it up in a WP:Sandbox, or submit a draft to WP:AFC, but this is not ready for the mainspace. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 15:13, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Your mad skills needed

Mad Dutch skills, that is. Question for you at Template:Did you know nominations/Harta Berdarah. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:23, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• On a side note, I love your new edit notice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:24, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
• Thanks Crisco. I left a note at the DYK template, with my apologies. Hey, Huib van Mook needs an article. Browse around and you'll know why--it's prompted by this article in today's Trouw. Drmies (talk) 14:51, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm headed off to bed soon, but we'll see what tomorrow brings. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Hubertus van Mook. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:40, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
    • Well done, thanks. Drmies (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
      • Not by me, though! I just found 'im. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:38, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Treasure of the City of Ladies

The DYK project (nominate) 11:25, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Did you see? I left a comment about issues on the talk page of this article. Nothing major, just making sure you at least saw my nitpicking. Hekerui (talk) 17:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Mariko Aoki phenomenon: Redux

A discussion you may be interested in is taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mariko Aoki phenomenon. I know this is something that you have tried to push through in the past, and I really don't want you to hold this one in. Sometimes these things hurt a little, and may get messy, but when it is all over we will all feel relief. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 12:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, that answers one year-old question: why I bought a copy of The Lost Art of Reading. When I got it in I couldn't remember why I got it. Drmies (talk) 14:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Glad I could be of assistance. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

DHalilialbania201197

Hello. I noticed you blocked DHalilialbania201197 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for three hours, which ought to give him a chance to read the warnings he's got. Did you see the report against him I filed at WP:AIV? Thomas.W ^talk 19:49, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• No I didn't--I saw their edits go by, and I saw your warning, and that they did the same thing after you warned them. Oh, you think they're a sock--well, if you're right, then SPI should be easy and helpful. Go ahead and file it and ask for CU. If this accounts flares up again drop me a line or report again. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:24, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

The Konrad Elst machine

Has mentioned you at my AE request, I would appreciate you saying you dinna give a shite, I am fucked anyway, but would prefer not to be fucked by him Darkness Shines (talk) 22:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Do you want to be banned? Why make dumb-ass comments like this one? You know it's bullshit; even if you find a dozen admins who have said "fuck off" and got away with it, it still doesn't mean shit, since plenty of regular editors have gotten away with it as well. If you are awake, and sober, you should undo that. Drmies (talk) 23:59, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Roadside America

USA has the world biggest Angel-Museum or ... Angel museum or Angel museum, Beloit, Wisconsin... looks like this or Do we have an article on this one? [27] Angel Museum, Beloit, Wisconsin -[28][29][30] Hafspajen (talk) 02:14, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Haha, no need to sign--I know who you are. In the old days, ChildofMidnight would leave me such notes. Hafspajen, I know nothing at all about angels I'm afraid, and about Wisconsins I know even less! Drmies (talk) 02:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I know who you are too, it is written above... i don't think you need to know anything about angels. It is a fun museum, and the biggest. wish ChildofMidnight would reincarnate again, but ... no signs of it. Hafspajen (talk) 02:18, 14 May 2014 (UTC) Oprah donated her brown angels to this museum, the rest is in the refs. Hafspajen (talk) 02:22, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Yep. See Angel Museum, already nominated for deletion. Drmies (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

What is that is not clear enough? It is an old church where this woman put her angel- collection. Hafspajen (talk) 02:25, 14 May 2014 (UTC) Mjaha, så nu är det borta. Hafspajen (talk) 02:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Nice song in Dutch. [31] Hafspajen (talk) 02:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm. Depends on what you mean with "nice". Who knows, maybe he has been reincarnated...that would be special... Well, the nominator removed their tag, so here we go. I don't see much hope for much expansion for this article, though... Drmies (talk) 02:45, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Well you can write about the number of the angels, the style, the history how all begin... about the church that was about to be demolished... Hafspajen (talk) 02:48, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm yeah. But that doesn't excite me so much. And you know, whether it's 6000 or 7000, whether Oprah donated 600 or 700, it really doesn't matter so much. Ik heb een boot... Drmies (talk) 02:51, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, angels are big in USA. It might exite others. So your ape disappears on you too? Hafspajen (talk) 02:53, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

http://vimeo.com/8253129 The Angel Museum is a not-for-profit organization that emphasizes angels as symbols for what is joyful, noble and good in this life. It refrains from promoting religion or a theology of angels.

The mission of The Angel Museum is to promote a unique and personal experience that stimulates and enriches the human spirit. Visitors are invited to enjoy and experience goodness anytime they visit The Angel Museum. Hafspajen (talk) 03:02, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyN62dkEAUw You tube Angel Museum, Hafspajen (talk) 03:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Angel Museum

Hello Drmies,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Angel Museum for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Ike1x (talk) 02:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry&reply

− Oh. Thanks for your concern. But I only put up pages for speedy deletion when they very bad or don't belong here. I'm sorry I put yours up fast. I don't do that a lot. And also this is my new account. I had a old account but I gave it to a friend when I was bored of wiki. It had many more edits. Ike1x (talk) 02:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, I figured you weren't really new here. Maybe I'll give my old account to Hafspajen; I tend to get bored here as well. Drmies (talk) 02:56, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Ah, finally I will be administrator!! Hafspajen (talk) 03:03, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• (An annoying kibbizter writes) Those angels donated by Oprah- they're mentioned in the article as "African American" whereas the original source and the collection's website only mentions black angels. (thinks about it- changes subject quickly) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 03:58, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, feel free to tweak. As long as you don't ask what those angels have ever done for "their own people" or something like that. Drmies (talk) 04:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
• Haf (if I may), only 400 more characters... Drmies (talk) 04:36, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• I think he's gone to bed. However, 1603. In return, there's an article by Lotte Motz I cannot get ahold of ... Yngvadottir (talk) 04:59, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. What do you need? Drmies (talk) 13:49, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Lotte Motz, "Sister in the Cave: The Stature and Function of the Female Figures of the Eddas," Arkiv för Nordisk Filologi 95 (1980) 168–82. If JSTOR has it that would be marvelous, but they have very little foreign stuff. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Joshua Jonathan crossing limits.

I am wondering if a normal user is allowed to write like "One more time, and you're done at Wikipedia"[32], "You stop it right now, otherwise you're Wiki-times are over"[33] and he couldn't even type the article's name where he he has dropped himself just now.

Removing massive sourced content like this.[34] After claiming it to be WP:OR, "Pov Pushing", "edit warring", however it is all incorrect. Kindly have a look. Bladesmulti (talk) 07:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

See Hinduism and Judaism and Talk:Hinduism and Judaism#Narayana. You forget the discussion on a siteban for you? "if it doesn't work out then we reconsider". Take care. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:45, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

What it has to do with the removal of sourced content that you have just did? And falsely alleged of WP:OR? Bladesmulti (talk) 07:48, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Everything. Read the siteban-discussion again, the goals for the mentorship, and the discussion at Talk:Hinduism and Judaism#Narayana, and consider what kind of discussion we are having here, right now. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:51, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I saw no reply from you, since I have quoted the available source that you "don't have access", who says that you are allowed to remove content backed by a source that you cannot access? Have you read WP:SOURCEACCESS? And I had added about 2 more sources, still haven't seen your reply. Bladesmulti (talk) 08:03, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• I don't know if Joshua is a "normal" user, but I'm not sure what normal means in the first place. I do know that, Joshua, it's probably not your place to say stuff like "once more and you're done", though you could say "once more and I'm hauling you to ANI" (to revisit that topic ban idea) or something like that. And that's really all I have to say on this topic right now. Drmies (talk) 17:06, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay.Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:17, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I will say one thing: That article Hinduism and Judaism is kind of a mish-mosh, as us older Jews are fond of saying, and could use a complete rewrite from somebody really smart. And neutral. A Dutchman perhaps. Yeah, that's the ticket. A Dutch-American university professor. Fortunately for all of us here, there are no deadlines, and neither the Jerusalem Post nor the Times of India are jumping all over the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:38, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

This is a ...joke.

A Russian joke: Stierlitz wakes up in a cell: "Which identity should I use?" he wonders. "Let's see. If a person in a black uniform walks in, I must be in Germany so I'll say I'm Standartenführer Stierlitz. If they wear green uniform, I'm in the USSR so I'll admit I'm Colonel Isayev". - The door opens and a person in grey uniform comes in saying, "You really should ease up on vodka, Comrade Tikhonov!" Is anybody laughing? Hafspajen (talk) 11:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hey Haffy you've left out the context! I'll give you another one without a context:"Who made that hole?" "Mice!" (Es war nicht Mäusen war es eine Artilleriegranate). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 13:12, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Three workers are thrown in a Soviet jail. The first: "I was always late so they threw me in here for stealing the people's property, labor time." The second: "I was always early so they threw me in here for espionage." The third: "I was always on time so they threw me in here for having a German watch." Drmies (talk) 13:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
• Two dedicated Soviet comrades are discussing the best way to destroy Western capitalist imperialism. "We should get a dozen atomic bombs, pack them in suitcases, and ship them off to the Western capitals and stock exchanges and blow them up remotely. Says the other: "Yeah, we can make those bombs, and shipping them won't be a problem. We can get the remote controls as well. But where are we going to get a dozen suitcases?" Drmies (talk) 13:56, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Stakhavonite workers at the nuclear plant have fulfilled their five-year energy production plan in 10 microseconds. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 14:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Nonono, I just read that one: it was 4! (Probably needs a reference from a scientific journal.) Drmies (talk) 14:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

This is good: Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson were going camping. They pitched their tent under the stars and went to sleep. Sometime in the middle of the night Holmes woke Watson up and said: "Watson, look up at the stars, and tell me what you see." Watson replied: "I see millions and millions of stars." Holmes said: "And what do you deduce from that?" Watson replied: "Well, if there are millions of stars, and if even a few of those have planets, it’s quite likely there are some planets like Earth out there. And if there are a few planets like Earth out there, there might also be life." And Holmes said: "Watson, you ***, it means that somebody stole our tent." Hafspajen (talk) 15:04, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• But I've heard that one before as well, and it wasn't a Russian joke.., Drmies (talk) 20:08, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

72.223.56.123

This user has been adding the following line again to Baby Mine:

"The other circus animals are a zebra, a giraffe, a tiger, a monkey, a hyena, a hippopotamus, an ostrich, and a kangaroo."

It's been discussed in the talk and this is not notable. ACMEWikiNet (talk) 15:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Blocked for three months. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 16:46, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Not helpful

One of these, please.

This kind of article butcherers that make me mad. look at those edits. If it would have been made by an IP, it would all ben classified as vandalism. [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] These facts are not controversial, but quite undisputed. How about WP:PRESERVE. Not controversial topics, and references can be found. I think that before removing ANYTHING - make sure that there indeed is no such reference for it YOU can find yourself. Otherwise it is just disruptive editing ->Wikipedia:Disruptive editing forcing other people to start working to find references, when the removed things have been just quite alright, and when they could use their time for better things than start hunting references for such totally uncontroversial topics. This is forcing other people who want to build an encyclopaedia to go and work a lot on their behalf, and do the work they could do just as good well, themselfes.[40] Hafspajen (talk) 16:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC) And there are the deleters and they are the removers. No refs, wo, chop. Even if you wrote the sky is blue. Hafspajen (talk) 16:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• It's pouring down, Hafspajen. No blue sky in sight. I'm beginning to doubt our sanity. Drmies (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Who's? Don't you think people should take it a bit more easy with the I delete everything i think is not good enough? I was running around all day trying to find sources for Open sandwich, sources HE could have found just as well. Not one word was untrue of what was in that article. Sources everywhere... But he had to remove more then half of the article. How on earth are we improving and building an encyclopaedia in this manner? I had quite other plans , wanted to do other things that fix this. [41]

• I don't know, Hafspajen. Erpert's edits on Geoffrey Zakarian are acceptable considering it's a BLP, and part of their edit on The Intruders (music group) is acceptable because it was fluffy/promotional. Their edits on Ralph Carter are a bit less convincing, and while I am more critical of unsourced content than you are, I can see how you think they overdid it in that sandwich article. Erpert, have you considered that not everything that is unsourced is evil, and that PRESERVE urges you to act differently than just cutting? I mean, that sandwich stuff is hardly controversial or unverifiable. (Oh, Hafspajen, the section on Uitsmijter was completely wrong, though I doubt that Erpert could have known that.) Drmies (talk) 16:59, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• OK, I am not an expert on Dutch cuisine. In that case please add you wast knowledge on it, Open sandwich, open wiki . The Scandinavian part was correct, and the Czech, and the Hungarian and the German too. This is what Wikipedia is for. I add the Scandinavians, you add the Dutch, and so on. Hafspajen (talk) 17:18, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Already did. Actually, Uitsmijter needs an article. Drmies (talk) 17:22, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

yYesshhh. Hafspajen (talk) 17:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Well here's a nice little Dutch article, with 2 pix but sadly no refs: nl:Uitsmijter (gerecht). Yngvadottir (talk) 17:44, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, there is - but here it is interwiki-linked to Strammer Max, quite an erotic sandwich. Hafspajen (talk) 17:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The Polish version, pl:Uitsmijter, has an additional pic but is all tangled up Wikidata-wise with the Strammer Max. I will leave it to you foodies to sort this out. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

First of all, Hafspajen, you need to chill out (and calling me an "article butcherer" is a borderline personal attack). Both of you are telling me to refer to WP:PRESERVE, which I did, and...the very first sentence says "fix problems if you can, flag or remove them if you can't." The unsourced material I couldn't fix is what I indeed removed, so I fail to see the problem here. Also, what I really don't understand is, Hafspajen has a problem with my edits, yet s/he's complaining on someone else's talk page? What's wrong with leaving a message on my own talk page? Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 03:03, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Erpert, Hafspajen is an old friend of the show and he's asking for advice. Perfectly justified. And article butcher, well, you did chop considerably, so I don't think you should take it so personally. PRESERVE is open to interpretation, of course, but I think that at the very least you should give Hafspajen some credit for going to work and doing the constructive thing. Drmies (talk) 03:36, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

The giant hook

I should have put the red tick on this... Template:Did you know nominations/Biertan fortified church, Câlnic Citadel, Dârjiu fortified church, Prejmer fortified church, Saschiz fortified church, Valea Viilor fortified church, Viscri fortified church. SEVEN new articles in one hook... Sigh. Is there anyone who has some QPQ check debts? Different reviewers are required for the remaining six articles. Gerda is trying, I think - hope- but she is still just one. Hafspajen (talk) 18:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Interested in a close?

Would you be interested in tallying and closing the second discussion at Talk:The Beatles (album)#Requested move? Thanks, Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 20:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm, never heard of that record. You mean the White Album? :) I will have a look but I don't know if I can close it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:46, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Fleetwood Mac discography

Hi, thanks for protecting the article. Any chance of protecting it for a bit longer? I have only ever reverted to the original version per WP:BRD and asked for a discussion. One of the other two seems to think halving the size of the article is a minor edit and the other one won't even log in. Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

hi i have logged in now, i am sorry about anything i have done wrong, i am just trying to improve the page.Lukejordan02 (talk) 01:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Will you do this?

I started a requested move on 7 May 2014 Talk:Assault_weapons_legislation#Requested_move that has now rolled into the backlog. Will you analyze it and act upon it? Or would you ask another editor to do so? Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 03:49, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, I could, but you wouldn't like it... Drmies (talk) 04:07, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I suppose you are right about that, but there's a chance I wouldn't like the decision another admin might make too. From a strict vote count, there is no consensus. There is an appeal process, right? Or no? Lightbreather (talk) 04:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

(lurker) There is, Wikipedia:Move review, but it almost always only works if there's a blatant misunderstanding of Wiki policy by the closer and/or winning side, and note that a contested close should be hashed out on the closer's talk page first. But you can always try. Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 15:13, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

So, Drmies, should I discuss this here, as Dralwik has suggested, or should I just go straight to Move review? I'll do whichever you prefer or suggest. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 16:16, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• I just closed it. Does that change anything? Drmies (talk) 16:25, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

That's why I posted. I saw that you closed it. But I want to appeal. From Dralwik's comments above, I understood that maybe I should try to discuss with you first, before starting a Move review process. But if you'd rather not, I'll go to that process instead.

FWIW: I AM trying to do this right. One of my first mistakes on WP was going to an RfC rather than a 3O on my first dispute with another editor. I could write a lot about why I made that decision, but unless you ask me to, I won't. At any rate, ever since then, I try to pick the right process. (Don't want to breach etiquette and go straight to the triple-dog-dare.) Lightbreather (talk) 16:36, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, the RM right after (or, really overlapping) the RfC was tactically speaking not a good thing to do, in my opinion. Like I said, I hadn't studied the initial move so I can't comment on that. If Dralwik's comments are correct a Move Review seems not the way to go (or, I'd doubt that my decision would get overturned--I say this not out of vanity), since what you're really trying to get done is the reversal of that original move. I think that would get kicked right back to the article talk page, where (I think) you'll find a certain editorial saturation. But speaking of vanity: if you want to take this to the Move Review page, you have my blessing: again, I doubt you'll have much luck since the numbers and arguments aren't there for you, but you won't hurt my feelings. I will, though, speaking *ahem* as a father and a teacher *another ahem* tell you that this "saturation" has a tendency to work against the, *ahem*, saturator (that is, you). In plain English: be wary of rubbing people the wrong way. That IP did have a point, though it was not the point they were arguing: you are probably perceived by some as claiming ownership, or possibly waging a war of attrition. That's my word to the wise, and I'll leave you to enjoy your PB&J. (BTW, I do not approve of jelly.) Drmies (talk) 18:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree that the RM was a tactical error, but I didn't know about that process when I started the RfC. If I had, I would never have started the RfC. I thought I gave good, policy-based arguments in the RM, too. My reasons for wanting to move the article back to its original name is as much - if not more - about article titles policy WP:CRITERIA as it was about Scal's move. It's recognizable ("bans" are what readers read and hear about), concise, and consistent with other WP articles like "Federal Assault Weapons Ban" and "Assault Weapons Ban of 2013." Lightbreather (talk) 23:57, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for closing the personal attacks discussion at ANI, and sorry to contribute to your grief. Lightbreather (talk) 03:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

You suggested on the Assault weapons bans/legislation in the U.S. talk page that we discuss, and I replied, and pinged several editors, including Scalhotrod - who has gone silent. That made me think of a strange thing he said yesterday while I was being attacked by the IP user. In a reply to the IP user on his (Scal's) talk page, he (Scal) corrected the IP user's spelling.[42] I thought this very strange since the IP user had warned me about editing his (IP user's) post here on your page (which I had NOT done.) So, I told Scal that,[43] and the edit summary to his reply [44] was "Not what you think..." Is it possible that the IP user was actually Scal? Is that something you can determine, or should I slog back over to ARE? Lightbreather (talk) 00:44, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow, do you also believe that the "paranoids are out to get you?" This is becoming almost laughable. My edit summary was related squarely to my comment. You made an assumption (that I directly changed someone else's comment [45]) and then an accusation based on that assumption [46], followed by my correction of your false assumption [47]. I have my spell check set to auto-correct because under the right circumstances, I can exceed typing over 100 words per minute but I must confess that my accuracy is not at its best. If you are going to fabricate wrong doing, please do it somewhere other than my Talk page. As for your accusation that the IP is my alter ego, I refer you back to the opening statement of this reply. As for going silent, I do manage to go out into the real world for stretches at a time. I recommend that you have a conversation with Nub about this. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 15:09, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm... on second thought, I think I'll have a paranoid delusion. My apologies to Drmies. Since Lightbreather seems to be online and specifically on Wikipedia so much and so often, it might lead a person to suspect that its a full time endeavor. Things like her edit count[48] (bravo for racking up so much in such a relatively short period of time) or seemingly single purpose edit history[49] would never be considered. Perhaps something that a person could be compensated for. I'm aghast to think that an Editor, especially one as active as Lightbreather, could be accused of paid editing. That's ridiculous and likely totally unfounded speculation. I hope everyone else that reads this see the ludicrous nature of these rants. Pardon me, I must go wash up. I'm thoroughly disgusted with myself. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 15:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

On an un-related note

I have brought up a Arbcom related to the above behavior and I will assume good faith and drop it if Lightbreather agrees to quit bullying editors by excessive templating and unnecessary Arbcoms. I would also expect that she quit tendetious editing and allow others to edit article without out her trying to own the article. If she can agree to follow these wikipedia rules I will drop my complaint with your permission Drmies. I think that is as reasonable as one can be. 208.54.35.173 (talk) 16:51, 15 May 2014 (UTC) Huh? The last 24 hours have become quite interesting for me. The "Arbcom" 208 brought up is here:[50] It is related to this discussion:[51] and the very tail-end (last four posts) of this discussion:[52] Fishy IP 172 has been blocked [53][54] and I don't know what to think of the IP 208 user! Lightbreather (talk) 17:04, 15 May 2014 (UTC) How can you not know what to think? I simply asked you to agree to abide by wikipedia rules and you cannot agree to that? And again I ask you to agree by to the above. 208.54.35.173 (talk) 17:36, 15 May 2014 (UTC) I strive to abide by the rules, and you've provided no evidence that I do not. Leave me alone! Lightbreather (talk) 17:38, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

On an unrelated note?

Kudos for the longest and most comprehensive closing statement I've ever seen! — Blue-Haired Lawyer ^t 18:37, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for review: Article on Bengali Kayastha

Hello Drmies, I would like to request you to please review the article on Bengali Kayastha, as suggested on talk page discussions by User:Titodutta. In spite of being reliably sourced, the content has been a matter of dispute for quite some time. It would be great if you can spare some time and review the article. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 07:00, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• The article states that anthropometric tests have revealed a close racial relationship amongst the Kayasthas of Bengal and the Nagar Brahmins of Gujarat, which I read (as in "reed", not "red") as their heads are all the same size and shape (what else would it mean?) If that's left in the article, maybe the relevant dimensions should be included, in an infobox. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Requesting you to check the last version by Xanthomelanoussprog, and not the current one. Editor Joshua Jonathan has reverted after failing to find the source (by Tej Ram Sharma), as discussed on talk page of the article, and I don't want to revert before further review. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 12:34, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Ekdalian, please see the history of the article: the edits that are struck through were removed as copyright violation. I urge you to stop copying and pasting. I placed a formal, templated warning on your talk page, since it's serious business. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out this serious mistake. Sincere apologies. Honestly speaking, I had stressed on reliable sources, and I should consider the lapse on my part as a serious offense. I shall take care of this in all my future edits. Ekdalian (talk) 06:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

We all live and learn, Ekdalian. That is, I have lived a lot yet learned little, so I got a lot to look forward to. Thanks for your note. Drmies (talk) 02:04, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

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This joke should not be speedy deleted as unfunny, because... in addition to being clearly WP:INVOLVED, Drmies is also a wet blanket who wouldn't know a funny joke if it hit him in the face with a large halibut, and is thus completely unqualified to nom this for deletion.

• If I didn't know any better I would have guessed that the unsigned trollish message was from that jerk and abuse admin Bgwhite. Drmies (talk) 18:47, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm a jerk admin who abuses power. Get it straight next time. Bgwhite (talk) 20:13, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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  • Thanks. Did you note how BracketBot looked for the "May 2014" heading, to pile up on the warnings? DNTTR, BB! Drmies (talk) 05:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
    • You're Welcome! It looks for a "Month, Year" heading, if there isn't one, it creates one. If there is, it adds it there. I archive quite often, so I rarely have the problem, though I have once hence how I know. :) You lost me on the "DNTTR, BB". Even the AcronymFinger and UrbanDictionary came up empty on that one. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:55, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
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User talk:208.54.35.173

How does one cast dispersion? ;-) --Atlan (talk) 18:26, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Good point. Now go correct me, Mrs. Grammar Nazi! That's just what Hitler used to do! Thanks for pointing that out, though--I wonder where I learned the expression. Drmies (talk) 18:30, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
• OK, corrected. Odd that Fowler doesn't have an entry on it--perhaps it's a more recent one. Drmies (talk) 18:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
  • That's MISTER Grammar Nazi to you, sir! As for me, I think I learned the expression on ANI. Lots of aspersions being cast there on a daily basis.--Atlan (talk) 18:36, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

For all intensive purposes its a mute point. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, Gaijin42, Hitler is mentioned here. So that means it's related to gun control. Which means you should probably not be editing this section, knowaddimean? *Zing* Drmies (talk) 18:50, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Im going to give you a bad review on RateMyProf now. bbiab. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:53, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Nonononononono I take it back. Pretty please???? Drmies (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the laugh - here's your apple back

Celestra (talk) 18:45, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Celestra, such a lovely name--and now I find out that your internet persona is male and born during the Eisenhower days? That's false advertising! Drmies (talk) 18:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• I was born when Harry S. Truman was in the Blair House, since the White House was a construction site. Just try to top that. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014

Renaissance-Style Pendant with Judith Holding the Head of Holofernes

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on User talk:Writ Keeper. What if I *meant* to leave the post unsigned, huh? I bet ya didn't think of that, Mr. Internet Tough Guy! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:51, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, Keeper, I'm leaving for now. Can you maybe have a look (see up this page, somewhere) at that discussion about the Beatles album? Drmies (talk) 18:57, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
  • You mean the White album? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 19:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
    • Or so some say. Maybe. I am uncommitted. Hell, I don't even have it! But then, I have all the Beatles albums I'll ever need: Nevermind and In Utero. Drmies (talk) 20:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
      • I prefer Unplugged in New York. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 20:54, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Has everyone gone crazy today?

Yeah, and check out the Prius in the background!

(talk page stalker) When looking at my watchlist I see warning templates being added here, there and everywhere today, even on WP:ANI. Jeeez... Thomas.W ^talk 19:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC) [shaking his head as he heads for the door...]

No, we were always this crazy. You only just noticed today. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 19:09, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• There you go again with the personal insults, Writ Keeper... Hey, I'd love to hang out with again in some major US metropolis or elsewhere. I am still very grateful to you for helping me out in DC so many years ago. Even the presence of Beeblebrox couldn't ruin that weekend for me. Drmies (talk) 20:07, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
• Glad to know that I'm not the only one who gets a little crazy now and then. Thomas.W ^talk 20:49, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll try harder next time, I have been assured that I am able to ruin a weekend. (guess I haven't popped by in a while, hadn't seen the MCA quote in your edit notice. nice.) Beeblebrox (talk) 21:13, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, I am in fact on my way to get screaming mad. For almost three weeks now I am trying to do something simple as taking a internet-subscription on a magazine. Sounds straight forward but their system rejects my application. Reason: I do not have an Dutch postcode with my Irish address. And suddenly, all my e-mails for help stay unanswered. (And yes, the subscription is NL-Wiki-funded) The Banner talk 22:23, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• NL-Wiki-funded? Que? (I'm from Barcelona.) Yes, I've noticed that today: foreign addresses don't fly in Dutch forms. The other way around is usually not such a problem, at least not here. Drmies (talk) 02:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Barcelona? Doc talk 07:41, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• Si! Drmies (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• Because there is no Wikimedia Ireland (they have just started another attempt) and Wikipedia Netherlands was severely advertising a fund for small donations. And I want Misset Horeca for my articles about Michelin restaurants (now behind a paywall). After some confusion (not the kind of application they expected) they approved it. And not to get that subscription... The Banner talk 06:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Looking at ANI, I see we owe Drmies ten bucks. I've got 35p on me, anyone else got spare change? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Problem with editor

Hi this editor is causing me problems (Piriczki) , I am trying to be a straight up as can be, he is trying to get me blocked, he left a message on the fleetwood mac talk page which felt to me like he is trying to rally people up to join it, I am not happy, as I always edit wiki with my heart in the right place even if people don't always agree. Can you please help me sort this out, it is causing me stress I don't need. Lukejordan02 (talk) 20:38, 15 May 2014 (UTC) From wiki project discographies

Deleting releases from discography articles[edit] Recently, new user Lukejordan02, also editing as IP 86.19.151.163, removed an album from the Led Zeppelin discography saying that it was similar to other releases already listed. The album in question Early Days & Latter Days: The Best of Led Zeppelin Volumes One and Two (2002), has been included in this featured list article for over six years along with the albums Early Days: The Best of Led Zeppelin Volume One (1999) and Latter Days:The Best of Led Zeppelin Volume Two (2000) with no objections. The three albums have distinct release dates, catalog numbers, chart histories and certifications. It is my view that separate releases should have separate entries in a discography and that all releases should be included. Should similar, yet distinct, releases and their accompanying chart histories/certifications be included in discographies? I bring this up here because this editor is making similar contentious changes to other discography articles. Piriczki (talk) 18:41, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

This user is willing to complain about me but is not willing to discuss the matter, I have left a message on his talk page about the matter but has ignored me. Lukejordan02 (talk) 19:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Now since then I have left another message to say that after much research I have realised my mistake and think the album should be included in the box sets section rather than the compilation section (as it groups 2 previously released albums together)Lukejordan02 (talk) 20:43, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• Really, Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2013_February_12#WP:ANI_2.0 should be revisited. Lukejordan, if someone brings some matter up on the talk page of a project, they should be applauded for seeking consensus, not blasted for supposed personal attacks. If something like this, which is perfectly acceptable and even encouraged, is causing you stress, then you need to reconsider what you're doing and how you're handling it. And think of it this way--are you not bringing them up on a fairly public page? It's part of the game of collaborative editing, and besides, they actually left a note on Talk:Fleetwood Mac discography, which is exactly what they should have done.

  Look, if your edits are good and you stand by them, they can stand daylight. If they're not, well, then they need to be improved. So relax. What's important here is that we produce better articles. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 23:40, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I understand and appreciate what your saying but I have been trying to talk with the other guy and he has just been ignoring me, it feels like he is just trying to get me blocked rather than actually sort any differences out. Lukejordan02 (talk) 23:47, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

• You got a big Welcome template and some useful links from me that you should read. Looks like you are blanking your page all the time. That was not against you but helpful sites you should know about, really you should try keep them and read tem. Hafspajen (talk) 23:57, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks Hafspajen. Luke, I don't see anyone ignoring you, though they were correctly pissed after you made this edit. Such conversations are to be held on article talk pages, usually. So where you get "it feels like he is just trying...", I don't know. Perhaps you can try to feel less and think more: removing someone's comment from an article talk page is kind of disrespectful. So, continue talk page conversation, and try not to take everything personally. Best, Drmies (talk) 01:59, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

If someone's "pissed" fine but take it up with me so I can address my actions not go running to other people, what the hell are we 12 years old! Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies#Deleting releases from discography articles. Why does he need to post this why can't it be sorted like grown ups between me and him and you if need be. Lukejordan02 (talk) 02:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• These are not schoolyard fights; they are, or ought to be, discussions between editors at large, not "private" affairs, at least not as long as we're talking about article edits, which they were. Article matters (hence my repeated "don't take things so personally") should be handled on talk pages--of articles and of Wiki Projects. That's the way things work. Drmies (talk) 04:55, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Your lightheartedness and nonchalance slows the decline of Wikipedia into a chaotic bureaucracy and keeps it a fun and easygoing place. I always like seeing your name pop up in ANI threads, because I know you will contribute something genuinely positive to the conflict-imbued community. Thank you. Meteor sandwich yum (talk • contribs) 04:55, 16 May 2014 (UTC)