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F**k the Black Panther list

It's not even FL. It's totally wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.47.161.43 (talk) 23:59, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Ok @157.47.161.43:, now you've totally discredited anything you could say to make your point. El Millo (talk) 00:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

You think you can dictate and be mean?

You can't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4052:81D:30FA:25E1:8A07:C874:879F (talk) 06:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@2409:4052:81D:30FA:25E1:8A07:C874:879F: Who are you? El Millo (talk) 23:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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Infinity Gauntlet edit

What was that for? We have to say something about the relationship between Infinity War, Endgame, and Infinity Gauntlet to specify they're adaptations. Not directly, but they're still adaptations. Mk8mlyb (talk) 18:00, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Mk8mlyb: They aren't straight adaptations, and we don't do that for any MCU film, or superhero film that I can remember. They're based on the characters, not on the specific comics. El Millo (talk) 18:45, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo: Okay, but is Endgame an adaptation of Infinity Gauntlet? Can we at least mention a tiny bit, or at least enough for people to understand? Mk8mlyb (talk) 20:50, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it is, Mk8mlyb, at least not a direct adaptation. However, there already is a mention of it in the Avengers: Endgame article: "Gillan guessed that Nebula would play a prominent role in the film when she realized that Infinity War and Endgame would be adapted from The Infinity Gauntlet, which she had previously read when she was initially cast as Nebula in Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)." El Millo (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay. But what's Marvel's official position on this? Mk8mlyb (talk) 22:30, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Mk8mlyb: The credits for all the films say they're based on the characters, not on the storylines, so that would be their official position. We follow suit, that's why we put the characters on "Based on" and not the specific storylines. El Millo (talk) 22:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay. Are there any other sources, or is it just the credits? Still, it's hard to say that Captain America: Civil War is only based on the characters when it's clearly based off of the original Civil War comic. And even still, Infinity War and Endgame cameo Jim Starlin, who wrote The Infinity Gauntlet. Does that mean anything? Mk8mlyb (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Mk8mlyb: We base the "Based on" on the credits, and anything but an official statement doesn't have any weight. The cameo from Jim Starlin is nothing but that, a cameo because he created the character of Thanos. It doesn't mean the movie is based directly on Infinity Gauntlet. I doubt there's anything that would be more reliable than the credits of the film in this case. El Millo (talk) 22:45, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that makes sense. But Infinity War and Endgame wouldn't just throw in a random Jim Starlin cameo for no reason other than he created Thanos. In fact, that cameo happened because Starlin asked for it and got it. So this: if Infinity War is an adaptation of Infinity Gauntlet, then how can Endgame not be? After all, it's about undoing what Thanos did in Infinity War and Infinity Gauntlet. Mk8mlyb (talk) 23:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

@Mk8mlyb: That's original research. El Millo (talk) 16:11, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

What is? The Jim Starlin cameo or the part about Endgame? Either way, you get what I'm saying? Mk8mlyb (talk) 16:19, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

"[they] wouldn't just throw in a random Jim Starlin cameo for no reason" you're trying to imply that they had some other reason that we don't know but that we should take into account for some reason. "if Infinity War is an adaptation of Infinity Gauntlet, then how can Endgame not be?" that's a logical fallacy, sequels aren't necessarily adaptations of the original films' source material (e.g. Blade Runner is an adaptation of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, but Blade Runner 2049 isn't). El Millo (talk) 16:27, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

You're right about the first part, but wrong about the second. Blade Runner is an entirely different case from Endgame and Infinity Gauntlet; Blade Runner was only intended for one movie, but Infinity Gauntlet was divided into TWO movies: Infinity War and Endgame, and doesn't end with Thanos winning, it ends with him losing and getting beaten up by the Avengers for his troubles. In the same way, Infinity War and Endgame follow the same path: Thanos wins at first and wipes away half the universe, but the Avengers undo what he did and bring back the fallen and beat him up for what he did. Mk8mlyb (talk) 16:45, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Look, we're just going around in circles. Neither of those movies is an adaptation of Infinity Gauntlet. They certainly drew inspiration from it, as they did from Infinity. All the time travel stuff from Endgame is completely original and not based on anything from those comic books. El Millo (talk) 16:53, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Then how do you explain the similarities between the movies and the comic? This doesn't look like they just drew inspiration from the comic, they both look like straight-up adaptations. Marvel outright said that Infinity War and Endgame were adaptations of Infinity Gauntlet. How do you explain that? It doesn't make sense. Mk8mlyb (talk) 17:24, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

"This doesn't look like they just drew inspiration from the comic, they both look like straight-up adaptations" original research. "Marvel outright said that Infinity War and Endgame were adaptations of Infinity Gauntlet" show me the source. El Millo (talk) 17:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Your above quote about Karen Gillian, and Marvel saying they wanted to make a movie based on The Infinity Gauntlet. The only movies that match that are Infinity War and Endgame. Mk8mlyb (talk) 20:02, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Also, let me remind you that Marvel specifically designed Infinity War and Endgame as adaptations. In fact, the entire MCU is based not only on the characters, but on the comics themselves as well. So how do we say something about Infinity Gauntlet in Endgame? Whether you say it's based on the characters or the comics, Infinity Gauntlet still had some impact on Endgame. Right? Mk8mlyb (talk) 20:03, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

WP:INTDABLINK

Please review WP:INTDABLINK, which requires that all intentional links to disambiguation pages be piped through a "Foo (disambiguation)". BD2412 T 02:10, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing up confusion

It has been a long time since I set my hands on that Harry Potter's book. My error. A a s i m 22:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Mischief Managed, Awesome Aasim. Nox. El Millo (talk) 22:38, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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Sources for runtime

In this edit you claim that "The only reliable source for runtimes is the BBFC and the like". I find that to be an overly strict interpretation of Template:Infobox_film#Runtime. According to my reading of that documentation page, any "reliable secondary source" can be used, with the BBFC classification site being only an example of such a source. The only sources that are mentioned there as not being acceptable are clocking yourself and theater chain websites. Debresser (talk) 21:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

That would also be my interpretation of the Template documentation too, that BBFC was recommended but not the only source. Normally I'd be very worried about unusual sources of runtimes or articles claiming to know the runtime of film that hasn't even been released yet, but this does seem reasonable since Collider is otherwise reliable and the article is entirely about the runtime. (I expect they got the runtime from the filmmakers publicity notes.) I'd still change it to BBFC after the film was released though. -- 109.77.196.210 (talk) 19:23, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Nevermind. Hasty skim reading fails me again. Collider article not reliable in this case. -- 109.77.196.210 (talk) 20:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Captain Marvel

Hi mate, don't want to argue about the Captain Marvel edits but you know as well as me that those points on it are bullshit. Someone linked to them a while back when it came out and it was at that number on the list but it should have been removed the moment it left that exact ranking as it was no longer an accurate link after that. For some reason nobody noticed it till now but it's now slid well off pace from where it was linked to and saying 'this is where it was at the time' while linking to a list from over a year later with it completely somewhere else is just unencyclopedic. It's not presenting any kind of sourced fact which goes against project policy. You are literally asking readers to grab a calculator and work it out for themselves. It's a cute point in a personal essay or thesis about the movie, but it does not belong on an enclyclopedia. Davefelmer (talk) 07:14, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

@Davefelmer: It hasn't gone unnoticed, it was agreed before to put the peak position instead of the current position, in order to not update constantly. It isn't unencyclopedic at all, we have a List of highest-grossing films that shows all the information and Captain Marvel's peak position is there. You're right in that it should be sourced with an archive from when it was at its peak position. It still needs to be discussed because it was an edit based on an existing consensus and that spans a number of MCU-related articles. Keep in mind that all these MCU-related articles –except for Avengers: Endgame– are GA-status. I'm not going to revert you again, but somebody else probably will soon. El Millo (talk) 07:31, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a link to the discussion where it was agreed to include a 'peak' for films? Looking at the relevant page it all appears to be bullshit anyways, the central source at the top links to the order of movies but not a peak position as is included in the article itself, so it appears that part was tacked on as WP:OR by other editors themselves. And the highest grossing superhero movies link doesn't even have the peak thing included at all! Davefelmer (talk) 07:39, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

@Davefelmer: Search for the term "peak" in Talk:Black Panther (film)/GA1, a few of the more experienced editors (Favre1fan93 and Adamstom) talked about the use of peak positions over current ones. And, again, that page that "appears to be bullshit anyways" is a featured list. I'm not saying that featured and good articles can't have false or irrelevant information, but it's highly unlikely. Hence, you'll have to discuss at the respective talk pages, it's the best way to get a more informed and well-rounded response than I could ever give you. El Millo (talk) 07:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

I looked and can’t find it on the recent searches, don’t really have the time to go all through the post history right now. But in any case a discussion on Black Panther doesn’t have anything to do with a consistent standard for something across other movies and the project as a whole. And like you say, a page being featured doesn’t mean it doesn’t have false or inappropriate information on it. The rest of it is done to a very strong quality sure, but we both know that it is clearly apparent that none of the sources in it make any reference to the peaks. They are purely tacked on there as WP:OR that slipped through the cracks. Have a look yourself, it’ll take a few seconds. Click on the main source at the top and then the side sources for each movie. None reference or discuss a peak. So in light of it, there’s really nothing to discuss. It’s demonstrably wrong and not encyclopaedic content. If any a discussion should be had about it, it should be in raising this evidence on the movie wikiproject page so other instances of it being applied to other movies can be removed as it’s up there for the wrong reasons. Davefelmer (talk) 09:42, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Captain America

About this revert, I added that as a reference to the Tesseract which is taken from an Odin temple in the beginning of the film left there by Asgardians in ancient times. Not a defining feature but most such "descriptive" cats in film articles are not. I leave the discretion whether to include it or not to you but I think its apt (we also have the same cat at Thor (film)).Gotitbro (talk) 13:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: But that isn't even shown in film, and that's not even close to what the film's about. Look at the other articles that are on the category. Alien films and Transformers films mainly. Neither Thor nor Captain America: The First Avenger belong there. El Millo (talk) 20:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Del Toro made him do it

Rephrased one source already. I'll rephrase or find sources to support the claim that Cuaron was persuaded to do the film by Del Toro. -- 109.78.197.202 (talk) 20:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Found it. Reported all over the place, so many sources. Del Toro persuaded Cuaron to take the job. The ultimate source was a Vanity Fair interview.[1] Thanks for drawing my attention to this unfortunate lack of proper sources, I knew I'd read it before and it could be easily sourced so I was surprised that it had not been sourced properly in the first place by whoever added it. -- 109.78.222.21 (talk) 21:05, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I only commented because I expected I could fix this quickly. (I would have been even faster except for a bad internet connection). I try to avoid commenting on user pages, and usually stick to commenting on article talk pages, because improving articles is the most important thing. Anything more important we could discuss on the article talk page.

If you had included an edit summary such as "Not in source" (or used Template:Not in source Template:Failed verification) I would have known why you made the delete and would not have reverted your changes, I would have skipped that step and gone directly to rephrasing or finding better sources. It might not seem important it but edit summaries are extremely useful, even a short summary helps a lot.

This goes to show how often people sneak extra details in front of existing references. It is also a very good example of how editors do not properly review and check sources, good of you do all that extra work and not assume the statements were accurate. -- 109.78.222.21 (talk) 21:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

It wasn't me who added it to the article,[2] in case you want to warn that other person. I didn't even realise it was only a recent change. Anyhow it is fixed now, I'm off. -- 109.78.222.21 (talk) 21:26, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Apologies for accidental deletion

I'm sorry, I can't imagine how that happened. However, it is a very long and involved discussion where it's difficult to find one's way around. Deb (talk) 13:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Deb:, it's ok. No worries. El Millo (talk) 13:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanos article

How was Thanos's portrayal in Avengers: Endgame received? The article only talks about him in Infinity War. I thought he was almost as good in Endgame because it completed his character by showing how wrong he ended up being, and instead of accepting it, he jumps off the slope and turns into, well, the Mad Titan. But what do you think, and how did the critics and fans react to it? Mk8mlyb (talk) 23:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mk8mlyb: I've found this article and this article that talk about Thanos in Endgame, but there's not much more. In Infinity War he's the main character, in Endgame he is far from that. Don't let these articles fool you though, his reception hasn't been negative at all, just less positive that in Infinity War. El Millo (talk) 00:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo: "In Endgame Thanos is far from that." I don't know. He's still the main villain of the movie. I'd say that makes him a major character, even if he ends up dead in the first 20 minutes and we don't see him again for an hour. Mk8mlyb (talk) 22:15, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo: He's the main character in Infinity War. You could say the whole story revolves around him. See that Thanos isn't even mentioned in the Critical response section of Avengers: Endgame. That's because he wasn't a recurrent topic among reviews. El Millo (talk) 22:19, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo: Okay, but why? He's the bad guy! The entire third act happens because of him. Hell, the entire movie happens because of him! (And no, I'm not just talking about the snap in Infinity War.) Did the reviews just forget about him? And even disregarding the reviews, wouldn't you agree he's a major character? Mk8mlyb (talk) 23:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mk8mlyb: Let's not make this as lengthy an encounter as our last one by discussing personal opinions about the film. Reflecting reliable sources, one or two Endgame reviews that mention him will do. El Millo (talk) 23:25, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, something's not right here. If Thanos is a major character, then why wasn't he talked about in the reviews? Did they just forget he existed, or were they more focused on the Avengers? Either way, that's a problem, because in the worst-case scenario, it essentially means they viewed Thanos's role as less "Thanos finds out the Avengers are attempting to undo his hard work and tries to stop them" and more "Marvel needed a huge final battle with the Avengers and Thanos, so they just plucked him from some random time period where the Avengers are searching for Infinity Stones and put him in the present". You have any answers for that? Mk8mlyb (talk) 22:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mk8mlyb: stop it. We're not here to just talk about movies. We're here to improve articles. El Millo (talk) 22:43, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo: Well yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. But most mentions of him are from Infinity War when his portrayal in Endgame is almost as important. How do we mention that correctly? Mk8mlyb (talk) 22:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mk8mlyb: we don't, if reliable sources don't mention it. That would be WP:OR. And you don't need to ping me here, it's my talk page. El Millo (talk) 23:00, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Do not change the referencing format

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blade_Runner_2049&curid=39830741&diff=958864668&oldid=958861270 this sort of mess is not appropriate. Revert it now and gain consensus as is clearly stated at Wikipedia:Citing sources. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Interesting point about difference from the comics

You bring up an interesting point, and I'd like to tease out the implications a bit. I think it's important to highlight big-picture differences between the comic book and film versions of these characters, but many comic book versions could be described as occupying one story line. It seems the only way to do this is to restrict these sections to differences discussed in sources, even though some of the differences are immediately obvious to followers of the two different sources of media. BD2412 T 02:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@BD2412: Agreed, otherwise it will become a bloated mess. El Millo (talk) 03:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Legacy sequel (Man of Steel)

You said "We don't know that yet, it might as well just happen after Justice League"

Well that is exactly what a legacy sequel is:
"A legacy sequel is a work which follows the continuity of the original work(s), but takes place further along the timeline, often focusing on new characters with the original ones still present in the plot."

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice would be the direct sequel:
"The most common approach is for the events of the second work to directly follow the events of the first one, either resolving remaining plot threads or introducing a new conflict to drive the events of the second story. This is often called a direct sequel." - Ash wki (talk) 05:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ash wki: often focusing on new characters with the original ones still present in the plot; Legacy sequels are sometimes also direct sequels that ignore previous installments entirely, effectively retconning preceding events. Those are the two other pieces of information on legacy sequels. Right now, none of the three statements are sure to apply to this potential Man of Steel sequel, since there is absolutely no information regarding its plot. It would be original research to call it a legacy sequel instead of just a sequel.

Now, with Batman v Superman it becomes a bit more complicated. This is somewhat of a crossover film, similar to an Avengers film. Superman isn't the protagonist but one of the –in this case two– main characters. Justice League, another crossover film, is considered a sequel of BvS, given that they're both crossover films within a shared universe. See how similar it is to the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Crossover films are considered sequels to one another (The Avengers, Age of Ultron, an so on), and solo films are considered sequels to one another (Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and so on; Thor, Thor: The Dark World, and so on). The term follow-up is being used there because it isn't strictly a sequel, even though it continues the story. El Millo (talk) 05:33, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, who said crossover films can never be sequels? Crossover episodes, for example, are very much part of the series they are in. The first Superman/Batman crossover in comics happened in a Superman comic issue. Does that mean that issue stopped being a Superman comic? Batman v Superman is very much a Superman movie. The main plot is about Superman. The whole movie actually revolves around him. He's the central character. Metropolis is the central setting. Lex Luthor, the main villain of the movie, is a Superman villain. The movie is nowhere comparable to Marvel's The Avengers. There is next to nothing we see of Batman's story except his parents dying and Wonder Woman is only introduced, much like Black Widow in Iron Man 2. Barry Allen, Arthur Curry and Victor Stone all play cameos. If the presence of other superheroes negates its status as a sequel, then Captain America: Civil War would qualify as an Avengers sequel and not a Captain America sequel. The plot doesn't even revolve around Captain America as much as Batman v Superman does around Superman. Justice League is at best a follow-up due to the narrative but not a sequel. Just like The Avengers, it's a superhero team-up movie, a thing of its own. If Justice League is a sequel, then, according to your logic, The Avengers as well qualifies as a sequel to Iron Man 2 since Black Widow is crossing over with Iron Man in that film. Also Thor: Ragnarok is a Hulk crossover with Thor. Does that mean that movie is an Avengers sequel? -Ash wki (talk) 07:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ash wki: well, none of those arguments hold up, but according to Screen Crush, apparently Zack Snyder does consider it a sequel to Man of Steel "in a way". So, let's wait for other editors to either change it back to how it was or leave it as it is. El Millo (talk) 07:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

"None of those arguments hold up" Well, it's more like "I don't want to listen to your argument." That's not a good thing. Well, I decided to leave it as it is because the thought struck me that the solo Superman sequel could be an interquel, i.e. set in the 3 years between Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. -Ash wki (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ash wki: if you want I can explain why they don't hold up, I was actually writing a response until I realized my argument didn't quite hold up either, so I started looking at reliable sources and found that statement by Zack Snyder. I'll go point by point if you like:

Crossover episodes are part of the series they're in, that doesn't mean we refer to them as sequels. If it happened in a Superman issue, then it is equivalent to Captain America: Civil War and it is a sequel.
Your argument about it being "very much a Superman movie" would need back-up from a bunch of reliable sources that agree with what you're saying, since it's a subjective opinion; and with crossover here I'm referring to Batman and Superman, I know Wonder Woman and the rest have merely more than cameos in this film.
I didn't say the presence of other characters negates them being a sequel, but the prominence they're given. In BvS, both superheroes are given equal billing, Batman is even mentioned first both in the title and in the billing block as Ben Affleck.
We know for a fact that Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man are the protagonists of Captain America: Civil War, Thor: Ragnarok, and Iron Man 2, respectively, given the titles of those films, and thus they still qualify as solo films.
If we arrived at the decision that BvS is a team-up movie, then Justice League would be a sequel. Iron Man 2 being a solo film, it wouldn't have The Avengers as a sequel.

Whereas in Marvel films we can tell who the protagonist(s) are based on the title alone, here we have something different. Both superheroes are listed equally, so who's the protagonist, if we can even say one is and the other is not, should be left for reliable sources, or those involved in the making of the film, to decide. El Millo (talk) 19:25, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Rock of Ages sourcing

Hey, could you help me with source formatting? On the Rock of Ages page, I've used a Buzzfeed source twice. In my test edits I keep messing up the formatting on having the sources merged as opposed to separate. Rusted AutoParts 16:19, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts:

Done. El Millo (talk) 17:40, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. At this point I should be better at doing things like that, but alas. Much appreciated. Rusted AutoParts 17:43, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Tenet poster

Just wondering where you found the poster with the new release date. Would like to add a new source to the page. Cognissonance (talk) 09:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Cognissonance:

Done. El Millo (talk) 17:37, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

"WhatCulture" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect WhatCulture. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 21#WhatCulture until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

I ordered it alphabetically

Thank you for your comments! Surge_Elec (talk) 20:47, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

No Time to Die runtime

Look, the British Board of Film Classification hasn't given a proper runtime for No Time to Die, but other websites have, and the most reliable source I can use right now is Box Office Mojo. You see, Tenet just got pulled from its release schedule due to COVID 19, but it still has a runtime with a reliable source in its Wikipedia article. Besides, No Time to Die may get pushed back even further. Thanks for your understanding.

Oh, I'm sorry I made you mad, but the most trusted resource for runtime hasn't put its proper runtime out yet. Is there any other reliable source for runtime on No Time to Die that you guys can use? I want to know. Besides, Box Office Mojo is the only source I can find right now during this pandemic. Click on the link below and see it for yourselves.^[1]

How about Colider?^[2] It has the runtime of No Time to Die listed. So does The New Mutants.^[3]

How dare you call all of my sources unreliable! I've tried every source with the film's runtime and you think all of the ones I put are unreliable? I'm aware that the British Board of Film Classification is a reliable source for runtimes, but the actual runtime is not on the site, so I've been putting alternatives. Don't know why you have to deem them unreliable because I think they're reliable. So stop removing the runtime for No Time to Die because I know how long the film is, and what it's rated! They just delayed it due to Covid-19.

References

^ "No Time to Die". Box Office Mojo. Retrieved 27 February 2020.
^ Mancuso, Vinnie (2020-02-26). "'No Time to Die' Runtime Marks the Longest James Bond Movie Ever". Collider. Retrieved 2020-02-26.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
^ Chitwood, Adam (July 23, 2020). "'The New Mutants' Runtime Revealed by Director Josh Boone". Collider. Retrieved July 23, 2020.

Please don't be a vandal

Dear Facu,

You illegally deleted a valid discussion, please don't. Thanks, Hansmuller (talk) 08:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Hansmuller: Okay. First of all, illegal is a bit much. Second, it wasn't vandalism, I put my reason for deleting it in the edit summary: I considered it a forum question. Apparently, as many people have already taken the question seriously, I was mistaken. El Millo (talk) 17:50, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Padfoot

Sirius' animagus form is a dog (believe me I have read the books and seen the films many times, probably more than you) so he belongs in the said category, like how all other shapeshifters are under the animal they change into (hundreds of examples available).--WitchB*tch65! (talk) 19:48, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

@WitchB*tch65!: then list those examples. You were the one who added the Category:Fictional cats to Minerva McGonagall, so it doesn't count as an example. Until then, we'll stick to the WP:STATUSQUO. Here's an example of the contrary: Goku can shapeshift to a giant monkey, but isn't listed under Category:Fictional apes. El Millo (talk) 20:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Lord Voldemort Categories

Out of curiosity, why did you undo my edit to Lord Voldemort? The article describes how Rowling has referred to him as a psychopath, and the article also mentions how he refers to himself in the third-person, which makes him an illeist. So both the categories I added were reflected by information in the article. There was no original research involved.The Editor 155 (talk) 17:51, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

@The Editor 155: I hadn't realized that. That category was correct. But the bit about him referring to himself in the third person doesn't have any reliable sources that verify it. I found one though, so after I'll put it there I'll reinstate your categories. El Millo (talk) 18:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. The Editor 155 (talk) 18:53, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Box Office Mojo

Hi, I wanted to let you know that Box Office Mojo's numbers have been screwy since their revamp last October. Betty Logan, myself, and others have noticed that. See old discussion here. For this reason, I restored the Fight Club box office gross to the archived URL predating the revamp. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Erik: I'm part of the task force too. Fight Club's numbers have apparently been fixed. So I updated it with the now correct total. Check the source, all the dates and releases are now correct. El Millo (talk) 18:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

What exactly shows that it has been fixed? It is a different number than before October 2019. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Erik: Someone put it as corrected in the list we have at WP:BOXOFFICE, and checking all the countries and dates, there are no repeated years and countries and there are no suspicious large numbers in recent re-releases. Not being the same as before doesn't mean it isn't correct, given that it was re-released quite recently. Here, check for yourself: [3], [4], [5], [6]. El Millo (talk) 19:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I still think there needs to be a distinction between the original release and the follow-up add-ons. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Erik: I agree. El Millo (talk) 20:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft: MJ (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

I could use some c/es on this if necessary. Also how ready do you think it is? Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 02:20, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@Jhenderson777: I'll do all the c/e I can, even though I don't think I'm the best person for the job; you should probably ask someone who has English as a native language. Regarding its readiness for mainspace, it's kind of a minor character at this point and in the scope of the MCU, so I'm not sure if notability-wise it's good. However, it's already longer and appears more thorough than Erik Selvig, who is arguably even more minor a character than MJ, so you could try and submit it. I'd suggest you ask for a third opinion first, though. El Millo (talk) 02:55, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok you are not the first editor I notified about this. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 03:00, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Better then. El Millo (talk) 03:05, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Tenet

The same editors we discussed with previously are still opposing the addition of the fact that Tenet is a science fiction film on the talkpage, even though by now that is readily to see for everybody now that the film has come out. I'd appreciate your continued support on this talkpage section. Debresser (talk) 02:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

@Debresser: as the film isn't available in my country yet, I'm avoiding that article completely. My apologies. El Millo (talk) 03:17, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I understand. Enjoy, when the time comes. Debresser (talk) 03:20, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

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Spider-Man: Far From Home

I have been watching the discussions about blatantly ignoring the MOS about composition titles for this title. I know that move discussions to the proper MOS conformant title have failed so the article stays non-conformant per local consensus for that article. I am not aware of any other discussions where there is a site-wide consensus to ignore the MOS for this particular title in all articles not covered the the failed move attempts. If there is one, I am unaware of it, and would appreciate a pointer. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:47, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: it isn't ignoring the Manual of Style, the capitalized title is what the wide majority of reliable sources use, so that overrides the MoS. The requested moves, especially the first one and the third one, received a lot of participation from many editors, and it applies to this title across Wikipedia, not just the title within the particular article. Until there's another requested move that presents evidence of a change in the use of the title by reliable sources —which you're more than welcome to start if you want, and if done properly I would back you up—, the capitalization stays as it is. I request you change it back to the capital From at the Zendaya article until that happens. El Millo (talk) 23:18, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. Few things override the MOS and definitely not title composition styling. A local consensus can override the MOS, though, but that applies only to the article where it was discussed and formed, nowhere else on the project. It would be a stronger argument with a consensus at WT:FILM but it wasn't discussed there. Other sources use their own style guidelines, we have ours which overrides them. Specifically AP's which differs from Wikipedia's and reflects most of what is written about the subject, but that does not establish a common name. This was all discussed in the move discussions on that talk page. The discussions just ended with no consensus to move, that is all, not a consensus for anything else and definitely not a consensus that would apply to any other article than that one. General feeling of most film project editors is that when the fans move on and the general film project people get back in control, the article will be moved to conform as well. Might note that IMDb forces stricter compliance to their MOS than Wikipedia does and IMDb does match what Wikipedia's MOS says we should be using for that title. If you do wish to change this on the Zendaya page, should start a discussion there and establish a local consensus that would then apply to that page. Until that happens the MOS should apply as explicitly written to that article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:40, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: General feeling of most film project editors is that when the fans move on and the general film project people get back in control, the article will be moved to conform as well. When do you think that will happen? 'Cause it's been over a year already. El Millo (talk) 23:49, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Since the last move request was about a week ago, it looks like people are just tired of discussing this and want to keep the article title as it is and are averse to revisiting the issue now. I'd give it a couple of years. I note in the new discussion that people still seem to think the AP style guide overrides Wikipedia's for that article as most entertainment press uses AP style guide and people believe that controls what we should do. I'm not willing to support that as a precedent anywhere else. Box Office Mojo, IMDb, and iTunes match Wiki MOS as they don't follow AP. For actor articles such as for Zendaya, if people look up credits on IMDb, as a lot of people do, the article as it stands does match IMDb. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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Ratings notable? I dont think so. But maybe. I would appreciate your comments on the article talk page. -- 109.78.217.4 (talk) 00:22, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

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I think I fixed it. I'm talking on my talk page with Gonnym about it as well if you feel inclined to continue discussing there. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

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@PhilCoulson20: According to Wikipedia:Good article nominations: any uninvolved and registered user with sufficient knowledge and experience with Wikipedia content policies may review the page. I see both your userpage and your talkpage have been created today, your first contribution has been made today, and you have edited nothing except your userpage, your talkpage, and your sandbox, apart from anything pertaining to this review, which has no content. It doesn't seem you have the requirements to review articles. El Millo (talk) 00:15, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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Then what about the rest of the films, whose box office data are changed?

Surge_Elec (talk) 17:55, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Surge elec: Have you checked WP:BOXOFFICE? A user has been making the effort of checking corrupted figures and updating them when BOM fixes them. You can also check for yourself. If a film, specially a re-released one, shows a sudden high increase in numbers from a particular market, then it's most likely a corrupted figure, as has been happening a lot with all these re-releases. That's why we created WP:BOXOFFICE in the first place, to deal with this. Since BOM is still the most reliable source for box office we have, instead of shifting to using a different source, we must check and wait for the numbers we know are wrong to be fixed, and keep the previous figure that we know was correct in the meantime. I'll ping Betty Logan and KIRILL1995 if they want to add or correct me on anything. El Millo (talk) 18:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Order of the Phoenix edit

Your edit to Order of the Phoenix (fictional organisation) diff here changed the link from [[Magic in Harry Potter#Potions|Potions]] to [[Potions (Harry Potter)|Potions]]. The latter Potions (Harry Potter) redirects to the former. Was that your intent? Cheers Adakiko (talk) 08:09, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Adakiko: Of course, I created the redirection, since the link was used across several Harry Potter-related pages. El Millo (talk) 08:11, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

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If you're interested I've started a section on the talk page. Right now her denial is on the page. But the language has been reverted back to convey that she was actually cast and not a rumor. However, because there is no confirmation either way, she definitely is a credible source on it for now. I understand you may disagree. Thank you. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 21:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Ezra Miller pronoun

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