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Marinovich

Hello Rich Farmbrough - all the awards for Greg Marinovich are based on valid sources - but at this time RL is to strong - I don't have time to do it this year. Just an example: ttps://opcofamerica.org/opc-awards-contest-rules/archive-award/ AWARD DATE: 1990

AWARD NAME: The Eastman Kodak Award 1990

AWARD RECIPIENT: Greg Marinovich

AWARD RECIPIENT AFFILIATION: The Associated Press

AWARD HONORED WORK: - Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 11:49, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Maxim Pouska, I didn't add the Citation needed tags, that was User:Lopifalko in this edit in 2017. I'm sure there is no WP:DEADLINE for adding cites, but even a bare url is better than no cite. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:45, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

Hi, OK, 2017 I did not see this. Recherche just a feature biography by Abbas Kiarostami. At Honors_and_awards

I did not see a citation.

But this list I found [of awards won by Abbas Kiarostami]

and one reference which looks OK for me. I am working on 4 new articles and asking do I need for every award a reference? OK - I have time to do it next year. Thanks. PS the formating of refs and some other stuff I have to train later again. Best.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 14:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

You can reuse references like this:

 
* Claim 1<ref name="Big book of everything">{{Cite book| blah blah........ }}</ref>
* Claim 2<ref name="Big book of everything" />
* Claim 3<ref name="Big book of everything" />
 

though it's a bit messy. When possible something like this is probably better:

 
Jack Malone won the following awards:<ref>{{Cite journal|work=Awards of famous people|..... }}</ref>
* Claim 1
* Claim 2
* ....
 

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:28, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

Administrators' newsletter – October 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2019).

Administrator changes

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Arbitration

• The 2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointment process has begun. The community consultation period will take place October 4th to 10th.
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Alagalla Mountain Range

Hello, I'm Wekeepwhatwekill. An edit that you recently made to Alagalla Mountain Range seemed to be a test and has been removed. If you want to practice editing, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks!. I know you're an established user, so I wanted to include a message to let you know why I removed what you put in. Wordpress and blogspot aren't reliable sources, that's the only reason I removed your addition. Necromonger...We keep what we kill 13:23, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Wekeepwhatwekill you might want to look again, Rich was just removing a deprecated parameter and bypassing some redircts. –xeno^talk 13:31, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Double-quotes in ref names

Just out of interest, why did you insert the completely unnecessary "s in the ref names at Andrew Bloxam‎? <ref> is not HTML, but wiki-markup, and only needs quotes if the ref name contains spaces. Peter coxhead (talk) 18:01, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, I guess this may be a foolish consistency on my part - my thinking was that people may change ref names to have multiple tokens (such as adding a year) and when that doesn't work smoosh them together, or only have the first one taken notice of - but I'm not sure I remain convinced. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:46, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

HTML does not require quotation marks except in the same scenario. (XHTML does, but that's not what we serve here.) --Izno (talk) 00:52, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

No; whilst XHTML does require quotes for all attribute values, HTML also requires quotes for attribute values unless the value only uses the 64 characters A-Z, a-z, 0-9, the full stop and the hyphen-minus. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:50, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Living Death albums

A tag has been placed on Category:Living Death albums requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:16, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Make a page for Shehnaz Pervaiz and Huma Nawab

Hi Rich. Can you make pages for Shehnaz Pervaiz she is a great actress and hostess, appeared in many comedy dramas and serious dramas, TV programs. She also appeared in quddusi sahab ki bewah many more. Huma Nawab is a famous actress in 1990s dramas and film, she left the acting industry but she returned in 2019 she has appeared in Mein Na Janoo drama. I tried to make pages for them but i was unsuccessful. Can you make pages for them. I would be really grateful.

Thank you.

Unsigned 182.185.78.200 21:56, 14 October 2019

Try Draft:Huma Nawab. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

Hi. I saw the draft and i wrote all her biography and personal life and her dramas and films. I don't know how to add sources can you do that. Everything i wrote is all correct i did a lot of research of Huma.

Except it seems she was not married, even in 2015, and her full return to Pakistan was not in 2012. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:25, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Ok. Can you make only draft for actress Draft:Natasha Ali, Draft:Erum Akhtar,Draft: Jinaan Hussain and Draft:Aliya Ali. They are models and famous actress. I will do the rest. Thanks for helping with the sources links. Thank you.

You can make drafts. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 07:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

Howdy

I've been working on date formatting for the last several months so usually have Category:Use dmy dates open in a tab. Just noticed a lot of new entries. Can you have a look? Dawnseeker2000 19:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Easy fix, thanks for letting me know. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:14, 3 October 2019 (UTC).

The His

Looking at this edit perhaps in future you could refer to British imperial and Commonwealth warships as "HMS Bloggs" or "the Bloggs", but not "the HMS Bloggs"? "The His Majesty's Ship" is not considered to be good grammar. --Pete (talk) 21:52, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:User pages with long short description

A tag has been placed on Category:User pages with long short description requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:41, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Blocked

I've blocked you for 72 hours for violating your restriction against cosmetic edits: Regardless of the editing method (i.e. manual, semi-automatic, or automatic; from any account), Rich Farmbrough is indefinitely prohibited from making cosmetic changes to wikicode that have no effect on the rendered page. These diffs violate it: [1],[2],[3],[4],[5].

If you wish to appeal your block, you should read WP:GAB, and may do so using {{unblock}}. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:28, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

TonyBallioni "excepting those changes ... that have demonstrable consensus" All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:32, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

I don't think this discussion resulted in an explicit consensus for an individual without a bot flag to make changes en masse, but if Primefac, who closed the RfC thinks so, I'll gladly unblock. If there's another discussion with an explicit consensus for it that I'm missing, feel free to point it out to me. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

It would be a new departure if there were edits that only bots were allowed to make. Monkbot 16 was approved, no bot task can be approved without consensus for the changes. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

• here is the full description of Monkbot 16, though no doubt you read that before blocking.
• Discussion of changes
• Discussion of deadurl deprecation
• Further I have received a considerable number of thanks for these edits, which speaks to consensus.

I would really have appreciated discussion, rather than shoot first, ask questions later.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:49, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

I looked at some other recent contributions as well, and these also appear to be an even more clear violation of the community sanction:[6], [7], [8], [9]. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:12, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

This is worrying. If you can't see what that first edit fixes, you should not be making this sort of judgement. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

In looking at that first diff, you first made this edit which updated the hidden template date, removed |date=, and replaced the redirect with the direct template. Your next edit re-adds the date field back in. Functionally, you changed the template from the redirect and updated the hidden date. As far as I can tell (and maybe I am wrong), the only changes were cosmetic as what was previously there was functional. Mkdw ^talk 23:49, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

The categories change in both edits. That is sufficient to make it a non-cosmetic edit. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:57, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

All the more worrying I may have to reset the drama free counter at the top of the page. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:26, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

Lets lay it out:

1. [10] adds a date= without which this page won't be categorised properly.
2. [11] updates the category, i.e. the article has been checked and all dates are in the correct format.
3. [12] is number 2 again (the same diff of the same edit)
4. [13] is edit number 1 again (the same diff of the same edit)

I have pointed out that this is a crazy restriction, that no-one really understands - even me unless I've read it recently. But I think with your repeated diffs you are trying to confuse me to death!

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:36, 5 October 2019 (UTC).

Removing empty |dead-url= parameters, as done in the edits linked at the top of this section, does not have consensus and is definitely a cosmetic edit (i.e. no change to the rendered page). The Monkbot task 16 is clearly described as "The purpose of task 16 is to replace various combinations of |dead-url= and |deadurl= and their associated keywords" (emphasis added). That is what has consensus; there is no consensus to remove parameters that are blank as a standalone (cosmetic) edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:34, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

So according to you Monkbot has made hundreds of thousands of unauthorised changes. I don't think so. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

No. Read the quoted section from the BRFA again. If you do not understand it, you should probably not be editing template transclusions at all, since you will just end up blocked again. If you think that Monkbot has made an unauthorized change, please link to one of its edits as an example. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:22, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I understood that perfectly well, though I missed the last few words of your comment. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:52, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

(pinged reply) The close of that RFC meant that the implemented parameter requirement should be reversed and the tracking cats / warnings removed for the addition of the |website= and |publisher= parameters. It said nothing about the other changes except that they would not be rolled back en masse. Primefac (talk) 00:49, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

So it didn't show consensus for Monkbot 16 as you claimed? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

Monkbot has approval to replace the dead url parameters with the appropriate value, and when a repair is made removes all blank parameters. Primefac (talk) 01:11, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I know what it does, I also know what you approved, and I thought, what was in your close of the discussion. However what you say above about how you closed the discussion, bears no relation to Monkbot 16. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:19, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

Monkbot has approval to replace the dead url parameters with the appropriate value, and when a repair is made removes all blank parameters. Additionally, I'm not sure the intent of the restriction was to give you access to the permissions of all bots - when the ban was put into place, you still operated a bot and had AWB access - I'm pretty sure "except with BAG approval" meant for your bots, not others. Primefac (talk) 01:11, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Irrelevant, either there was consensus for these changes or there wasn't. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:26, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

Hi Rich, it appears that you have interpreted your restriction as allowing you to pick up and complete any approved bot task on your non-bot account. I don’t think this was intended by the framers of the restriction; a clarification on this may be required. –xeno^talk 01:34, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Xeno, I don't think that thought ever crossed my mind before Primefac suggested it. I am sure as sole framer of the restriction (IIRC) you can tell me why BAG was mentioned, if your memory stretches back to detailed wording of something you wrote nearly 10 years ago. Looking at it just now I assumed it was actually to protect me if BAG approved something where there wasn't consensus, which I'm sure never happens, or almost never. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:48, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

Rich, you’re right I guess I did. I don’t think it would be fair for me to speak with any certainty what my specific intent with that wording was. Certainly it could be interpreted widely (any/all tasks that BAG has approved) or strictly (tasks for which BAG has approved you to perform). Nonetheless one of the reasons for doing edits with a bot flag is so those who desire can hide them from view. So that is why we might need to seek clarity on this. –xeno^talk 02:06, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I really don't think its worth it. The restriction itself is outmoded in so many ways, and pace your good intentions at the time, has only ever been used as a rod to beat me. I am just reluctant to go back to full blown bots when I see how awful BAG can be. And of course certain things need, and many things benefit from being done manually.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:17, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

More cosmetic edits that clearly violate this editor's restriction: removal of empty template parameter and replacement of template redirect with template; removal of empty template parameter; removal of empty template parameters and addition of cosmetic white space. To be clear, removal of empty template parameters has no effect on a rendered cite template and should be done only with a constructive edit that changes the rendered page; there is no BAG or other consensus for removal of deprecated parameters that have no associated parameter value. You are advised to read the above until you understand it. I have encountered misapplied dunnings from administrators in the past; this is definitely not one of those occasions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:32, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

You know I can often do with reading and re-reading things, your comment way up was one of them. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:48, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

Reply to Jonesey95's mis-threaded comments

Here is the spec for Monkbot 16, please read it carefully:

Task 16 searches for templates that use either of the |dead-url= and |deadurl= parameters (with or without assigned keyword) and then:

renames the parameter to url-status

replaces the assigned keyword no with live, and replaces the assigned keywords yes, y, and true with dead; keywords unfit, usurped, bot: unknown are retained

deletes all empty parameters (will delete an empty |url-status= parameter when |archive-url= is present and has a value) [emphasis added later]

|dead-url= and |deadurl= without an assigned keyword are intentionally included in this process so that the deprecated, and ultimately unsupported, parameters don't linger in article space.

--ends--

This process will undoubtedly make a "cosmetic" edit of the type we have described. I am perfectly happy if it did. You, apparently are not. Yet this is what was approved, even if these edits weren't made.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:48, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

Regardless of whether or not the removal of unused parameters is a cosmetic edit or not (it is, especially in the sense of WP:BOTDICT#Cosmetic edit: "the term cosmetic edit is often used to encompass all edits of such little value that the community deems them to not be worth making in bulk, even though those edits might change the output HTML or readable text in subtle ways.", emphasis mine), WP:MEATBOT certainly applies and if such removal of empty parameters has consensus, doing them via an actual bot will prevent WP:BOTDICT#Flooding. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:32, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps it's a little disingenuous to quote yourself as an authority, especially when your quote is misleading. Anyway nice of you to drop in. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 08:36, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

I'm not quoting myself as an authority (even thought I am one on this matter, being a member of the BAG). I'm quoting the WP:BOTDICT, which documents some of the terms of arts as used by Wikipedians, which is subject to consensus, and which has been widely publicized and advertised. More importantly is that you address the substance of the objections, rather than try to discredit the person making them. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:16, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Quoting yourself - and appeal to authority is a weak argument. Moreover even BOTDICT says A cosmetic edit is one that doesn't change the output HTML or readable text of a page. which is a definition I am familiar with, as a term of art. Attempting to use the common misinterpretation, especially as an "authority" - and even more as author of that entry, and especially with your combative history, does not help create an impression of good faith. I'm sure you can see that, and you have the choice of trying to be more collegial, or being combative going forward. If you are combative you will get less good results that if you are collegial.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

Continue to ignore/dismiss my advice if you want, but I doubt it'll do anything to convince anyone to lift your block. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:52, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

There is giving advice, and there is hectoring. If you had wanted to give me a quiet word of advice, you would have dropped me an email. As it is you appear to be piling on. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:55, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

When I have something to say to someone on Wikipedia, I say it on Wikipedia. But sure, assume bad faith. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:48, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Re "undoubtedly", please link to a Monkbot edit that removed an empty |dead-url= parameter without replacing a populated parameter (i.e. find a cosmetic edit that Monkbot task 16 performed). I have looked through hundreds of Monkbot's task 16 edits and have not found one. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:20, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I have fixed the indentation of your comment, which is a reply to me not Headbomb. Please try to follow convention here.

I think you misunderstood what I wrote above. It seems difficult to make it simpler. I don't need to, don't want to, and quite probably can't find such an edit. Firstly I have no problem with the bot's edits as such, even if they did include such edits. Secondly I am not claiming that it did make such edits. Thirdly I am not minded to trawl through a million or so edits looking for a needle in a haystack, because you didn't understand what I wrote.

However let's have one more try with some emphasis and bullet points:

• This process will undoubtedly make a "cosmetic" edit of the type we have described.
• Yet this is what was approved, even if these edits weren't made.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 08:36, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

• First, Monkbot 16 was not approved for cosmetic edits, it was approved to clear |dead-url= related Category:CS1 errors: deprecated parameters backlog. Monkbot has remained true to its approved task, and didn't make any such edit that you claim it will "undoubtly" be making. It may or may not make such edits in the future, but it remains to be seen if there is consensus for doing these. Second, even if it were a good idea to remove empty |dead-url= parameters en masse, that would still require a BRFA approving the task and anyone doing so on their own would get blocked as a bot/meatbot operating without approval. You, especially, should know better than to do those given your history at ARBCOM for exactly this sort of thing. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:25, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

It's interesting that you (User:Headbomb) and User:Jonesey95 both hang your hat on statements that Monkbot "didn't make any such edit". So if I produced such an edit (which I never claimed existed) would you change your tune? Of course you wouldn't, you would argue that it was a one-off, unintended, that it makes no difference to your argument. This is the reason that I am pissed off when people come here to make absolute statements - not only do they not care about the facts, nine times out of ten, they will maintain the same position even though they have been shown irrefutably to be wrong.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:55, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

I'm fully comfortable with bots having the occasional minor mishap, yes, as are most people. Such mishaps should be minimized as much as reasonable, but one minor screwup per thousands of edits, which does not result in any downside for the reader, is not cause for alarm [if there is indeed even one]. You, however, took no steps to minimize those screw ups and annoyances (e.g. your edits can't be filtered out as bot edits in watchlists), edited in a bot-like fashion despite your restrictions against doing so, without consensus to do so. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:54, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

This is what was in the spec, this is what was in the code, this is what was approved, and this is what happened.

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All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:14, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

@Trappist the monk:, please update Monkbot (talk · contribs) to stick to its terms of approval. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:57, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Water over the dam? The horse has left the barn? 450k-ish edits later, |dead-url= and |deadurl= in cs1|2 templates are, for the most part, expunged and now you want a change to the code that was present before and through the BRFA to the present day? Really? The description of the bot task does read:

3. deletes all empty parameters (will delete an empty |url-status= parameter when |archive-url= is present and has a value)

the parenthetical part of that is not true and should have been deleted but was not. As a result of this discussion (Editor GreenC's 2 June 2019 comment), I modified the bot code (this edit – search for __3MP7Y__ where, because |archive-url= has a value, the bot puts that string in the attendant empty |url-status= so that it isn't deleted as empty).

Please show me the terms of approval that Monkbot/task 16 has violated. Of course, this all may be moot anyway because it is highly likely that Monkbot / task 16 will be retired in the coming week or so because of a lack of anything to do. I may drag it out to run manually as a private script under my trappist the monk account but its life as a bot is quickly coming to a close.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:28, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: "deletes all empty parameters" does not appear anywhere in Monkbot 16's BRFA nor is that function in its description. I agree it's a mostly moot thing now, so mostly thinking about what to do on a go-forward basis. I don't particularly care all that much, since these specific parameters will soon be or are now completely unsupported, and it does prevent some future issues, but I don't see where that was approved in the trial. Primefac (talk · contribs) could have a different opinion there, since they're the one that reviewed the BRFA. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:39, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Monkbot / task 16's BRFA has this:

Function details: details available at User:Monkbot/task 16: remove replace deprecated dead-url params

At that page in § description is this (emphasis added):

3. deletes all empty parameters (will delete an empty |url-status= parameter when |archive-url= is present and has a value) emphasis added

Further, that description also has this (added to the text with this edit):

|dead-url= and |deadurl= without an assigned keyword are intentionally included in this process so that the deprecated, and ultimately unsupported, parameters don't linger in article space.

Monkbot /task 16 was always intended to delete empty |dead-url= and |deadurl= parameters; I did not hide that intent.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:35, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I find it unusual to that this was omitted/undiscussed on the BRFA page itself, but presumably Primefac reviewed things in more details, including following up on those links, before approving and didn't have a problem with the task. I.e. carry on, my bad. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:21, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Trappist the monk is 100% correct in everything he says here. Though I would have liked him to do general fixes, his integrity forbad it. I have to respect that.

I'm sorry that BAG members didn't read or didn't understand what he said, anymore than they understood what I said (which I flatter myself they did read).

I have no problem with Tony not understanding the detail of either the ER or the apparent consensus for these edits, it's not really his area.

Nor do I really have a problem with well-meaning editors pointing out some of my many perceived flaws.

The inability or unwillingness to follow a simple argument, though, does and often has in the past, worry me greatly.

The second aspect of concern is the lack of perspective. Monkbot has done a huge task of hundreds of thousands of edits, even if all "disputed" edits needed reverting, I would rather revert them myself, manually, than anyone say anything against the execution of this task.

The third issue is obsession with rules. This seems to be an issue with Wikipedians in general, programmers in general, and office-holders in general. When we combine all three characteristics in one person, it behooves us to be on our guard, and think like humans and colleagues.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:11, 8 October 2019 (UTC).

You forget one of the main point of bots though, they allow for tasks to be done in a way that minimizes WP:BOTDICT#Flooding. Some tasks are suitable from bot-flagged accounts which aren't desirable from meatbot accounts. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:26, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the sentiment in your second sentence, but not the strength of it. It is predicated, after all, on the software that runs watchlists. There are gadgets that can alter the way watchlists are displayed. (Also it's not clear how much of a problem so-called flooding is - I have 44,000 + items on my watchlist, it is not uncommon for half of the changes of a given day to be from one user, it doesn't cause a problem. I suppose if people have hundreds of thousands of items in their watchlist it might inconvenience them mildly.)

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:34, 9 October 2019 (UTC).

Shirt-sleeve environment

Capitalises "Science fiction".

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 10:23, 6 October 2019 (UTC).
Also needs copy-editing and a link to low Earth orbit. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 10:26, 6 October 2019 (UTC).

I was trying to source the science fiction statement. Does this look like a reliable source? [204]. –xeno^talk 18:28, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

If this is Paragon House of St Paul, Minnesota, the I would say certainly. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:36, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

It is though at the time it was in New York. The company is owned by the Unification Church, so I would be wary of some of their books, but this seems fine. Roberta Rogow seems a reasonable author for this sort of reference work on a non-contentious subject. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

I thought so, but wanted to be sure. Looks like it was acquired by the religious organization to become their publishing house. Thank you for the pointers. –xeno^talk 18:58, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

West_Indian_Americans#Income not in citation, also capital I for individual.

Please review WP:PROXYING — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 17:31, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Please review per All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 06:46, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

• ALGOL 68 Comments =-> comments
• Keeley of the Keeley Motor
• Saturnino Lohure -> Saturnino Ohure killed on the orders of Milton Obote? [205]

Question

Who is Laura Hale?

I have been looking at some recent discussions that have asked, "Oh yeah! What about Laura Hale? Why aren't we doing anything about the people harrassed by User:Laura Hale?" Were this individual's actions so terrible all trace of them was scrubbed from the wikipedia?

Looking forward to seeing your further excellent contributions! Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 16:29, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

They have vanished per WP:VANISH. I'm not familiar with the rights and wrongs. And nothing is ever really done about the people harrassed by, except insofar as it it is done to the harassers. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 06:40, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

Harrassed by Laura? That's new. So far, I saw her regarded as a victim. - She vanished, which may or may not have to do with it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

I believe this (she is the victim) is the generally accepted view. I prefer not to rely on the opinion of others, and have no wish to do any research in this area. I never had any problems with Laura Hale that I recall. More than that I cannot say. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:21, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

script title

Re: edits like this. |script-title= and similar parameters are for parameter values that are not written using a Latin script. When the script is Latin, |script-title= is inappropriate. Also, the language code must be one of the codes recognized for this parameter. Those codes are listed here.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:10, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Trappist the monk Yes I have discovered both feature and limitation, and stopped fixing id and ota. I'm not sure that lang code is the right thing to use though. I think a script code would be better - or maybe an extended lang code - there are templates that support this, and we could do automated romanization. Moreover I'm not sure that combining two parameters into one is the best idea. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 06:31, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

Wikidata weekly summary #385

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Discussions
  • New request for comments: Structured path for property definition changes, Import of item into wikidata private instance
  • Closed requests for comments: Notability wording

• Events
  • Wikidata (für Archive) beim Herbsttreffen des AK Archive der Leibniz-Gemeinschaft (in German)
  • Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4-Wikidata Affinity Group call: Finding GLAMs campaign 08 October. Agenda

• Press, articles, blog posts
  • Generating "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?" Questions Sets Automatically from Wikidata, Markus Wohlan, et al.
  • Wikidata: A large-scale collaborative ontological medical database, Houcemeddine Turki et al.
  • Wikidata & Wikibase for National Libraries: the inaugural meeting by Wendy Byrne and Liam Wyatt
  • Una lezione di biblioteconomia, o Del nome corto dell’autore, Giovanni Bergamin (Q61727262)

• Tool of the week
  • soweego links Wikidata to large third-party catalogs. Together with its friend Mix'n'match, it helps Wikidata to become the universal linking hub of open data.

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • The WikiProject India will send a quarterly newsletter, more info and subscribe here
  • Two Wikidata users were nominated for a “WikiEule”, the German Wikipedia community’s annual awards: MisterSynergy (nomination) for an “EngagementEule” (special commitment to the wiki projects) and Tobias1984 (nomination) for an “OrgaEule” (organizational work).
  • You can nominate projects for the WikidataCon award until October 7th at 23:59 UTC (today).
  • During the summer, WikidataJS became WikibaseJS! More specifically:
    • wikidata-sdk became wikibase-sdk (changelogs)
    • wikidata-edit became wikibase-edit (changelogs)
    • wikidata-cli became wikibase-cli (changelogs)

• Did you know?
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: content descriptor, educational stage, MWNF ID, worn by, tussenvoegsel, item disputed by
    • External identifiers: Gazetteer for Scotland person ID, Gazetteer for Scotland place ID, FootballDatabase.eu team ID, GENUKI ID, NTS Radio artist ID, Ticketmaster artist ID, See Tickets artist ID, DC Books author ID, Diccionari de la Literatura Catalana ID, FootballFacts.ru team ID, LaPreferente.com player ID, UEFA coach ID, UEFA team ID, Ukrainian Premier League player ID, ISSN-L, FIDAL team ID, China Martyrs ID, FAIMER school ID, JournalBase ID, National Library of Chile ID, PCEngine Catalog Project identifier, Beatport label ID, memoriademadrid publication ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: serving temperature, Ordained by, Main deity, image with frame, urn formatter, folio(s), minimum temperature record, venue of the grand final, Steam bundle ID
    • External identifiers: Basis Wien, MIC, DynamoMania.com player ID, 247Sports ID, Internet Off-Broadway Database work ID, Beachsafe Beach Key, LibraryThing author ID, FutbolMe.com player ID, Pubs Galore ID, Publons publisher ID, EconBiz publication ID, ERIC publication ID, ForaDeJogo.net team ID, FreeBSD port, HCPCS Identifier, Ents24 artist ID, Eventim artist ID, Coast to Coast Tickets artist ID, ScoreBig artist ID, SeatGeek artist ID, MovieTickets person ID, Ticket Liquidator artist ID, TicketCity artist ID, Tickets.com artist ID, TickPick artist ID, Viagogo artist ID, Vivid Seats artist ID, StubHub artist ID, NAD topographic databas, Rotterdam City Archives name ID, State Catalogue of the Museum Fund of Russia museum ID, Professional Football League of Ukraine player ID, Ancient Tree Inventory ID, FantLab author ID, Dictionary of Sculptors in Britain ID
  • Deleted properties:
  • Query examples:
    • Biographical entries in the Gazetteer for Scotland, with no article on English Wikipedia
  • Map of medical facilities in Murshidabad district, India, color-coded by type (source)
  • Map of flight connections between airports in India (source)
  • GLAMs institutions located north of Umeå (source)
  • Newest WikiProjects: WikiProject Climate Change

• Development
  • Continue work on removing and optimizing resource loader modules
  • Wikidata Bridge: obey wgEditSubmitButtonLabelPublish (phab:T228260)
  • Canceling the modal (phab:T231282)
  • Research regarding permissions/protection (phab:T231209)
  • Investigation to ensure editing with the same credentials (phab:T231887)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Suggested and open tasks!
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 15:06, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

What are you doing blocked?

Was a surprise to see this morning :( I don't think we corresponded in the past, but I've seen hundreds or thousands of your edits by now. Please just do whatever you need to do to get unblocked or wait it out so you can return soonest. Cheers Donama (talk) 23:27, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your kind comments! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:53, 8 October 2019 (UTC).

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:99 Posse albums

A tag has been placed on Category:99 Posse albums requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:28, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Typos

User:Uziel302 and User:WereSpielChequers the place where you can find out about tags on the English Wikipedia is Wikipedia:Tags and they are discussed on Wikipedia talk:Tags. I would expect that this script might qualify, as it could rack up over 5000 edits pretty quickly. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:42, 8 October 2019 (UTC).

Three Days in August

Thank you, Rich Farmbrough, for your suggestion to de-orphan the page for the film, Three Days in August. I've added links to the film's page from the pages of four of the featured actors: Mariette Hartley, Barry Bostwick, Meg Foster and Colton Tapp. MBAWilbins (talk) 16:07, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Excellent! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:58, 9 October 2019 (UTC).

Thank you!

Thank you for your September 29, 2019 edits to Frank Cirocco, Stephen DeStefano, and Howard Bender. The transition from "deadurl=" to "url-status=" is going to take a long time to complete, so I appreciate your edits.

Mtminchi08 (talk) 00:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

You are welcome! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:00, 12 October 2019 (UTC).

Category:The Bar-Kays albums has been nominated for discussion

Category:The Bar-Kays albums, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Dicklyon (talk) 02:57, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Unprotected ref-tag in the "Double-quotes" talk section above

I tried to add a comment here about Hilmar Moore but it royally screwed up your Talk page, and I thought I did something horrible, so I self-reverted. Took me a little bit to figure out, that it wasn't my fault. The section above entitled #Double-quotes in ref names has a ref-tag that is not escaped using the <nowiki> tag. This (I think) makes the whole rest of the page a reference; however, as long as nobody else uses an ending ref-tag, it just renders it the way you'd expect. Unfortunately for me, I used a reference, and blew up your page rendering badly. If you want to see what it looked like, check out revision 920995784. Note, however, if you edit that version to look at the wikicode, there is nothing wrong with my code at the bottom of the page, and all of the missing discussions are still there in the code, they just don't render on the page. My entry did have paired beginning and ending ref-tags, and the ending tag in my code matched up with the beginning ref tag in section "Double-quotes", and wiped out your whole Talk page contents in between the two.

What I'd recommend you do, is go edit that section, and embed that ref-tag you see there inside nowiki tags. Then the rest of the page should be safe again. If you're not sure what I'm talking about, and you're okay with me fixing somebody else's post, please ping me here, and I'll fix it. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 06:18, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

Sourcing at Hilmar Moore

Hello Rich Farmbrough, looking at this edit at Hilmar Moore, do you remember where you saw that, and can you provide a more specific source than <ref-tag-start>Press Summary - Illinois Information Service, 1980<ref-tag-end>? I checked Google, but got 14M results. I'm unable to verify the content you added in that edit, from that citation, so I've removed that ref and tagged it {{cn}} for now. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 06:46, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

You need to use quotes: ("Press Summary" - "Illinois Information Service"), 1980 for example. https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=swlSAQAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Hilmar+Moore The source is fine, but Google Books are not, what you see is a random chunk, which may or may not contain the relevant text. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:05, 13 October 2019 (UTC).

Wikidata weekly summary #386

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Events
  • Upcoming: Monthly workshop in Buenos Aires, Argentina, October 17th
  • Upcoming: Talk about connections between Wikidata, Wikipedia and OSM, Bordeaux, France, October 17th
  • Upcoming: Monthly workshop in Paris, France, October 18th
  • Upcoming: Wikidata goes Library, Talks and Workshops, Vienna, Austria, October 18th
  • Upcoming: WikidataCon 2019 and side events: Wikibase workshop, iNaturalist workshop, October 24th to 27th, Berlin

• Press, articles, blog posts
  • My message to video game databases: We(kidata) come in peace, by Jean-Frédéric (the subject is broader than just video games)
  • Lei (Nico) Zheng, et al. (2019) The Roles Bots Play in Wikipedia. Proceedings of the ACM: Human-Computer Interaction, Volume 3, Issue CSCW, Article 215 (November 2019), 20 pages. DOI: 10.1145/3359317 (also blog post).
  • Lina M. Rojas-Barahona, et al. (2019) Spoken Conversational Search for General Knowledge. Proceedings of the 20th Annual SIGdial Meeting on Discourse and Dialogue. ACL Anthology ID: W19-5914 + arXiv:1909.11980

• Tool of the week
  • ShowTalkLabels: with this script enabled, when a talk page is shown on your watchlist or similar pages, the label of the related entity is shown.

• Other noteworthy stuff
  • We now have d:Q70000000 (3,5-dimethyl-3H-pyrazole, chemical compound) and Lexeme:L200000 (spiritualistically, English adverb)
  • Your feedback is welcome about Computer-aided tagging designs for Structured data for Commons
  • The next office hour will take place on November 5th on Telegram (see full announcement)

• Did you know? =
  • Newest properties:
    • General datatypes: fineness, identified in image by, name in hiero markup, graph radius, style of karate, name (image), code (image), folio(s)
    • External identifiers: PubPeer article ID, Turkish Football Federation Match ID, geograph.org.uk image ID, Q-Codes ID, Great Encyclopedia of Navarre ID, Three Decks people ID, Knesset Law ID, DynamoMania.com player ID, Beachsafe Beach Key, 247Sports ID, Internet Off-Broadway Database work ID, FutbolMe.com player ID, LibraryThing author ID, SMHI drainage basin ID, Turkish Football Federation Stadium ID, Publons publisher ID, ADL Hate Symbols Database ID, Turkish Football Federation Referee ID, EconBiz publication ID, ERIC publication ID, Healthcare Common Procedure Coding System Identifier, Pubs Galore ID, ForaDeJogo.net team ID, Ancient Tree Inventory ID, State Catalogue of the Museum Fund of Russia museum ID
  • New property proposals to review:
    • General datatypes: pathway annotation, number of games, contains functional group, contains chemical element, relative count, electron configuration, reason for preferred rank, creator's signature, Wikimedia revision-id, pdf page, capital social, Source of file, gained territory from
    • External identifiers: Soccerway referee ID, Eu-football.info referee ID, WorldReferee.com ID, Bluetooth Declaration ID, Bundle ID, Wolfram Language quantity ID, FantLab work ID, FantLab publisher ID, FantLab awar ID, FIG gymnast (no licence) identifier, Renaud Camus person ID, WorldFootball.net competition ID, academia.edu publication ID, Rijksmuseum Library ID, NARCIS researcher ID, Soccerbase team ID, 90minut.pl team ID, Transfermarkt.com match ID, Brazilian federal deputy ID, AAAS keyword ID, Kinématoscope, CanadaSoccer.com person ID
  • Query examples:
    • Map of Scottish settlements linked to the average coordinates of Historic Scotland items within civil parishes - demonstrating the use of map lines to highlight possible data quality issues (source)
    • Bundesliga football results - exemplar of a report predicated mainly on statement qualifiers (source)
    • On which side of the road do cars drive? - demonstrating the use of geoshapes to fill a map (source)
    • Map of the embassies to Belgium (source)
    • Graph showing direct descendants of Prithwiraj Kapoor (source)
    • Nobel laureates by award type and gender (source)
  • Newest database reports: Mersenne numbers

• Development
  • Abuse filter has been improved so saving an edit should be a bit faster now. (phab:T156095)
  • A new Lua function is providing the site's global ID of the wiki where this function is used (phab:T194023)
  • Wikidata Bridge: test data for the demo system (phab:T224834)
  • Research regarding permissions/protection (phab:T231209)
  • Investigate of the purging strategy (phab:T227758)
  • Restyling of mobile termbox (phab:T223452)
  • Adding "fewer languages" button at the end of the expanded list of "all entered languages" (phab:T232595)
  • More work on reducing the resource loader modules
  • More work on tainted references

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

• Monthly Tasks
  • Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
  • Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
  • Suggested and open tasks!
  • Contribute to a Showcase item.
  • Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
  • Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
  • Help write the next summary!

Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 15:25, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Great Western Ambulance Service

You seem to know what you are doing. Can you take a look at Great Western Ambulance Service? An editor just deleted a massive amount of stuff without proper explanation. However, in reverting it I have undone a good / well intentioned edit by another editor. Is there something you can do to sort it out? I don't think the original editor is someone who necessarily means well and may even be a previous editor under a different name. --2A00:23C6:FA02:EC00:5423:BD43:E3D:90CD (talk) 20:36, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I'll take a look.  Done All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:06, 17 October 2019 (UTC).

A barnstar for you!

	The Minor barnstar
	I've been noticing lots of great clean up work that you've been doing across the 'pedia--thanks! Marquardtika (talk) 20:27, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

That's very nice of you! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:29, 16 October 2019 (UTC).

Article clean up

Hi Rich - Thanks for your efforts to improve the encyclopedia. I'm noticing your edits to several of the articles on my watch list. They appear to be technical edits such as removing citation parameters. I'm not savvy about the technical side of Wikipedia, but is there any way you can have your work labeled as a bot, perhaps with the name you use to make the edits? I'm sure it's not your intention, but hundreds if not thousands of other editors who have these articles on their watchlists are now checking these articles to see what you did, which is taking away time used to monitor for actual vandalism or other disruptive editing. Thanks, and keep up the good work. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:45, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I'll have word wit the nice people at WP:BAG. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:06, 17 October 2019 (UTC).

stripping wiki markup

re: this edit: The proper fix for that kind of markup error is like this edit. We added |trans-work= so that editors don't add extraneous markup to the template parameters.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I see. I'm not sure I agree with making the templates more complicated. I see nothing wrong with (and a lot of advantages) to simplicity. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:42, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

Re: Citation Clean-up on Ang Probinsyano and related pages

Good day User:Rich Farmbrough!

Dropped by to personally thank you for cleaning up the citations on Ang Probinsyano's related pages. I could not tend to it myself personally because I am working through a mobile phone and am busy preparing for a board exam.

I'd also like to ask for your help in cleaning up the citations on the List of Ang Probinsyano guest stars page, because there's some citations I flubbed there.

Thank you!

Warmest regards. Gardo Versace (talk) 20:42, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

You are welcome, good luck with the exam, and  Done. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:45, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

Thank you so much User:Rich Farmbrough! Gardo Versace (talk) 21:50, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Prism (Katy Perry album)

Hi Rich, you have just declined my G13 on the above page as 'not being applicable to redirects.' Is there another speedy for it. Seems pointless to run a full delete conversation on something nobody is every going to look for (not complaining, if you are right you are right, merely asking for advice!). Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

I had a look when I removed the G13, I could not see one that definitely applies. I think {{G6}} technical deletion seemed the best idea. I'm not sure the redirect does any harm though - it's a grey area. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:53, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Richhoncho, none of the CSD criteria will be applicable to that redirect. As they say, redirects are CHEAP but if you feel it should be deleted then you should take it to RFD. Primefac (talk) 19:06, 19 October 2019 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Changing escaped apostropohes

Hi. In your edits to Bad Genius (which I already once reverted), changing the escaped ' HTML entities to simple apostrophes broke the formatting of the page. See MOS:PUNCT for why it's necessary in cases like this to use the HTML escape or the {{'}} or {{'s}} templates. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:53, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll endeavour to avoid this issue in future. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:58, 20 October 2019 (UTC).

@Paul 012: Consider using {{'}} or {{'s}} in the future (outside of references, which generally shouldn't need italics marks). --Izno (talk) 13:21, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm wondering if the new render engine will deal with this particular case better, since it (to use language loosely) creates overlapping bold and italic spans, which seems wrong. But regardless, it might make more sense in the current scenario to replace ''&apos; with ''{{'}}. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:27, 20 October 2019 (UTC).

Wikidata weekly summary #387

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Events
  • Upcoming: WikidataCon 2019 on October 25-26. If you're not attending, you can follow most of the sessions remotely with live stream.
  • Upcoming: Wikidata's seventh birthday, on October 29th. You can organize an event in your area and add it to the list!
  • Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Finding GLAMs campaign cont. with OpenRefine demo, 22 October. Agenda
  • Upcoming: Wikidata and Archival Metadata : opportunities and challenges for heritage institutions by Baptiste de Coulon in Study day on Linked Data, City of Brussels, Friday November 22th, 2019.
  • Past: Several sessions at Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2019 (11–13 October):
    • Wikidata content oriented projects, talk by Mārtiņš Bruņenieks (video)
    • Using Wikidata as an Educational Platform, talk by Nebojša Ratković (video)
    • Beyond the basics: Intermediate Wikidata tools, workshop by Asaf Bartov (not recorded)
    • Your first Wikidata Lua infobox, workshop by Tobias Schönberg (not recorded)

• Press, articles, blog posts
  • Querying Wikidata RDF with SQL using RDF2X
  • Ozymandias in Canberra - how the Atlas of Living Australia could be enhanced using Wikidata
  • Knowledge Graph Consolidation by Unifying Synonymous Relationships - Jan-Christoph Kalo, et al.
  • PhD thesis: Candela Romero, Gustavo (2019). Publicación y enriquecimiento semántico de datos abiertos en bibliotecas digitales (in Spanish).
  • Wikidata Wordmap

• Tool of the week
  • The Wikidata Wor(l)dmap is showing translations of the same concept on a world map. To use it, type a word (for example "water") in the search field, then observe the map. You can zoom in the map. The data comes from Wikidata item labels and the coordinate location property of the language.

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Wikidata won an Open Publishing Award (description).
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Read the full report · Unsubscribe · Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 15:36, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Cosmetic edits?

Hi! As I understand it, you are restricted from making purely cosmetic edits (but please correct me if that restriction has been lifted?). So could you kindly tell me what visible difference you made to the rendered article with this edit? Or this one, for that matter? Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The first edit, to Carl Higbie, removed a red CS1 error and a hidden category (Category:CS1 errors: markup). Not a cosmetic edit. The second edit, to Upton Grey, added a hidden category, Category:Use dmy dates from October 2019, so it was technically not a cosmetic edit, though it would be better for that change to be combined with a substantive edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:43, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Confusing edit

What did you do here? I can't tell the difference. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:41, 26 October 2019 (UTC).

Nice. Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Can you check Farah Nadir page.

Hi. Sorry for disturbing you again. I made Farah Nadir page she is a famous actress and comedian. She appeared in alot of dramas. I add all her information, biography, personal life, Dramas. I confirmed it all nothing is false information. Here is the draft Farah Nadir. I couldn't make links so sorry about that. I'll also be making some other articles so is it alright if i show it to you. Sorry please check Farah Nadir draft.

Thank You for helping me.

You are welcome. The article needs references, I can find nothing in news or books, IMDb helps, but it is user-generated content, so its not great for references.

By the way, try not to cut and paste text from other websites. We don't want to commit plagiarism or copyright violation.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:48, 19 October 2019 (UTC).

Ok. I check everywhere, but there is only one link that you put there and there are no other webs that have information about her. I think she kept some of her personal life private.

publicize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.185.76.199 (talk) 16:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Have you checked for sources in Urdu? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC).

I checked it but didn't found anything more about Farah, but I found more tags and Archives about Farah in dramas she appeared. I added it in the sources and References.

Good stuff. I'll take a look. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:27, 23 October 2019 (UTC).

Thanks. Can you check those drafts i made of some actress and actor. It's alright take your time to check it no need to hurry, Jinaan Hussain, Farah Khan, Erum Akhtar, Natasha Ali, Aliya Ali, Ayesha Gul, Durdana Butt, Maryam Noor, Zainab Shabbir and Sajida Syed, Hashim Butt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.185.23.168 (talk) 07:23, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Request to review draft:Ammara Butt

Hello, many Thanks for improving Pakistani BLP's, will you please check this draft:Ammara Butt, draft:Faryal Mehmood and draft:Kahin Deep Jaley. Its been a while, they are submitted. Regards 122.8.45.219 (talk) 09:17, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Can you check these drafts.

It's okay take your time to check it no need to hurry it's a hard work to check every draft take all the time you need to check it. I added the links sources in all drafts. I also found some tags and archives for Draft:Farah Nadir i added it to her page. Here are the drafts Draft:Erum Arkhtar, Draft:Natasha Ali, Draft:Aliya Ali, Draft:Jinaan Hussain and these are the new drafts Draft: Ayesha Gul (actress),Draft:Zainab Shabbir, Draft: Maryam Noor (actress), Draft:Durdana Butt, Draft:Sajida Syed Draft:Hashim Butt.

Can you Rename Erum Arkhtar to Erum Akhtar. There is no R in Akhtar, it's Akhtar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.185.105.8 (talk) 16:27, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.185.117.209 (talk) 08:04, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

draft:Faryal Mehmood

Hello sir, will you please see this draft as the actress meets notability by a big margin but still in review since many days, i added sources after it was declined few months ago. Regards 122.8.244.185 (talk) 16:35, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

I'll try and look at some of these over the weekend. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:26, 24 October 2019 (UTC).

Thank u so much for your kind response. 😊 122.8.246.145 (talk) 16:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Pakistani actors drafts

Consolidated list:

1. Draft:Aliya Ali
2. Draft:Ammara Butt
3. Draft:Ayesha Gul (actress)
4. Draft:Durdana Butt
5. Draft:Erum Akhtar
6. Farah Khan - -full article
7. Draft:Farah Nadir
8. Draft:Faryal Mehmood
9. Draft:Jinaan Hussain
10. Draft:Kahin Deep Jaley
11. Draft:Maryam Noor (actress)
12. Draft:Natasha Ali
13. Draft:Sajida Syed
14. Draft:Zainab Shabbir
15. Draft:Erum Azam
16. Draft:Benita David
17. Draft:Sukaynah Khan
18. Draft:Sumaiyya Bukhsh
19. Draft:Ramsha Akmal
20. Draft:Nazish Jahangir
21. Draft:Ghazala Butt
22. Draft:Humera Bano
23. Draft:Rabia Noreen
24. Draft:Isha Noor (pakistani actress)
25. Draft:Faria Sheikh
26. Draft:Nargis Rasheed
27. Draft:Farah Nadeem
28. Draft:Nida Mumtaz (actress)
29. Draft:Natalia Owais
30. Draft:Jahan Ara Hai
31. Draft:Salma Hassan (actress)
32. Draft:Rubina Arif
33. Draft:Anumta Qureshi
34. Draft:Humaira Zaheer
35. Draft:Ayesha Khan (Sr.)
36. Draft:Aamna Malick
37. Draft:Amna Malik

(39.43.86.142 (talk) 16:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)) All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:58, 28 October 2019 (UTC).

Big 'ole maintenance tag cleanup task

See also: Wikipedia:Bot_requests § Remove Template:Expert needed when placed without reason

I think this kind of thing is up your alley (as a manual task): [206] . I haven't had a chance to draft an RfC for the bot effort, but people have spammed this "expert needed" tag without explanation for years. (I hope this isn't too ironic.) –xeno^talk 13:28, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

It's not a huge task, there's only 4-5,000 transclusions. The question is how many don't have a reason param (investigating now). Note that we could, and maybe did, make this not display without a "reason". All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:35, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

Thanks for your attention. I did consider the suppress display approach but that would still leave the tag widely littered and category useless. –xeno^talk 13:40, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Only about 20% have a non-empty "reason" field. Checking for "talk". All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:21, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

About another 100 with "talk" field. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:46, 2 October 2019 (UTC).

Circling back: Thanks for giving the lay of the land. Probably not needing an actual bot if it’s only 1100 or so. Is this a task you want to pick up? (Maybe already did?) Or maybe you’d be so kind as to provide the list of empty param results? Much obliged in any case. –xeno^talk 13:11, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Five years!

... and thank you for almost 2000 drama-free days! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC).

Confusing cleanup

In this edit, why is the solution to change the publisher to being not italicized instead of change publisher to work, which seems the correct one to me? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:36, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Both are correct, and doing both is better than doing either one, but doing one is better than doing neither. Mis-labelled fields are a problem in citations, as is evident from the duplicated parameters category. However it is not always trivial to distinguish between publisher and work. While Spin (magazine) is published by Valence, in the cite above the one you refer to Slant (magazine) (also formerly set as publisher) is published by Slant LLC. Without disambiguators these are indistinguishable. Indeed both concepts are fuzzy. It would be worthwhile also fixing up those {{{work}}} which are set to things like "Foo magazine" or "Bar newspaper".

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 08:06, 29 October 2019 (UTC).

Wikidata weekly summary #388 & Wikidata Birthday

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Happy birthday, Wikidata!
  • Today, on October 29th, it’s Wikidata’s 7th birthday. Time to reflect and celebrate and to look forward to see where we are going from here. Message from the Wikidata development team
  • You can also write a birthday message or add a present to the list

• Events
  • Past: Several sessions at Wikidata goes Library, Vienna, Vienna Public Libraries (Q1020347) (18 October):
    • Wikidata is amazing, talk by Jean-Fréd
    • Uses of Wikidata and Wikibase in France, talk by Nicolas Vigneron
    • Using Wikidata for Video Game Research, talk by Tracy Hoffmann
    • Wikidata based extended search queries, talk by Christian Erlinger (Q67173261)
  • Past: WikidataCon 2019 in Berlin. You can see the videos of the sessions and the list of slides and notes, also from the program. Among them, here are few suggestions of sessions to watch:
    • Glimpse over Wikidata & Wikidata and languages (Lydia Pintscher)
    • Birthday presents demo (various people presenting new tools and features)
    • WikidataCon awards ceremony (Birgit Müller & Liam Wyatt)
    • New usages of Wikidata to support underserved language communities (Lucie-Aimée Kaffee)
    • Overview of the data import process (Navino Evans)
    • A lot of interesting tools and projects presented during the two lightning talks sessions
  • Upcoming: plenty of events taking place for Wikidata's seventh birthday! In London on 29th, in Cape Town on 31st, a datathon organized in India, in Barcelona on November 13th, etc.

• Press, articles, blog posts
  • Analysis of Urban Information of Colombia on Wikidata, 2nd CATAÏ Workshop, Bogota, Colombia, 23-24 October 2019 (Preprint)
  • Wikidata as a FAIR knowledge graph for the life sciences (preprint in Biorxiv)

• Tool of the week
  • MachtSinn is a game to easily add Senses to Lexemes, based on suggestions from Items labels. It helps improving the data about languages in Wikidata.

• Other Noteworthy Stuff
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Relay Ball Games

Relay Ball also known as Relayball is a ball and sports game developed by Zane Gardner and is created in his back yard of DeKalb Junction, New York and it's a non contact sport involves passing. ... Developed as passing game designed for all players with all types of abilities to enjoy the game. I seen your work on Basketball can you edit Relay Ball Games Relayball47 (talk) 16:47, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

This page didn't gain much traction on Simple. It would seem to fall afoul of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day.

Do you have any references from reliable sources?

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC).

Relay Ball Games

Relay Ball (Sport)

The new sport of Relay Ball was created by Zane Gardner from Dekalb Junction, New York in 2018. The sport is a combination of football and basketball. Rules are simple, you throw a football into the trashcan bin and or basketball hoop. Rules and Positions

Center Midfielder Goalie Teams are free to use any configuration If it's more than one on one it's seven on each side of the ball

Personal fouls are:

Charging-results in a turnover Traveling-results in a turnover as players must be paused at all times while others can move freely Contact- results in a turnover. If he or she reaches two fouls or more he or she must sit out the rest of the game. The game is played in 3 x 10 minute periods.

Equipment Required: Trashcan bin and or basketball hoop. The website is Topend sport.com search there Relayball47 (talk) 17:13, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I had already found this. The website says:

Note:

This new sport has been submitted by a visitor to the Topend Sports website. The sport description is as provided. Any typos and spelling errors are probably the result of the submitter. Many of these sports has never been played, it may be just someone's idea for a future sport. Any questions or issues you have about these sports, you need to contact the sport's creators. I do not maintain contacts for them.

So this is not a reliable source, it is user generated content. This is why I referred you to |this page - so that you would understand what a reliable source is.

When relay ball has multiple significant independent coverage in the media, that is publications with proper editorial control, including reputable magazines and newspapers and many book publishing houses we can have an article about it. This is explained in more detail up on the page WP:Notability.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC).

Relay Ball (sports)

What about a website I can send you a link I have a Wordpress website for my sport also Relayball47 (talk) 17:31, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Still not independent. Wikipedia is not the place to publicise your game, if it becomes widely played it will probably get independent coverage and then get an article. Good luck with it, it sounds like fun. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:38, 30 October 2019 (UTC).

Already then go to you to be and search A New sport Relay Ball it’s been played as apart of the Outdoor recreation program Relayball47 (talk) 17:50, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Already then go to you to be and search A New sport Relay Ball it’s been played as apart of the Outdoor recreation program Relayball47 (talk) 17:50, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Relay Ball

YouTube I meant and I had two seasons of Relay Ball Relayball47 (talk) 18:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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