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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 04:40, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Baby Grandmothers

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Reason for deletion - Non notable band. Does not pass GNG and is simply not notable. Parts of the page are a direct copy and paste from the website http://haystackpudding.com/MP3/edafa26c.html . Other sources are blogs [1]. Their own website [2]. Blog [3] A passing mention [4] One website even calls them an obscure band. [5] 173.52.99.208 (talk) 12:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC) added on behalf on an unregistered editor by -- samtar talk or stalk 13:16, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Unreliable sources as per WP:USERG, and WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:RSSELF. 173.52.99.208 (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

keep Again, as I said on another Afd by this user who some are saying is an unregistered user avoiding scrutiny, the "blog" is an interview. There more than "passing mentions", in fact, I see four extensive sources, including a CD booklet which is most time well-covered on bands like these.ALongStay (talk) 17:25, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Unreliable sources as per WP:USERG, and WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:RSSELF. 173.52.99.208 (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. clpo13(talk) 23:41, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. clpo13(talk) 23:42, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as DRAFT for now. It seems to me this article has encyclopedic potential. Note the following finds:

Using a Google Books and a Google Scholar search of "Baby Grandmothers" Sweden I discovered some references that seem likely to provide WP:Notability.
  • There is for example a Scholar (academia.edu) hit Affective Ordering: On the Organization of Retrologies in Music Networks. (p. 66) that states "Baby Grandmothers and the duo Hansson & Karlsson were early and important on the Stockholm scene."
  • There is a Books hit The Encyclopedia of Swedish Progressive Music, 1967-1979 (ISBN 9789189136229) which apparently has an entry for the band (I do not have access to this book so it will need further research).
  • [Discogs] has a blurb which states in part:

"Baby Grandmothers were a short-lived Swedish band, but one of the most prolific and unique psychedelic, modal, experimental power-trios to emerge out of the Scandinavian psychedelic underground-scene in 1967. Although hailing from Stockholm, Sweden they only released a single in Finland, which has since become one of the most sought after pieces of vinyl from the era."

  • There is an editorial blurb in Forbes for an unrelated music website which takes the space to reference them with "Unjustly forgotten bands such as Anonymous from 1977, the 1967 psychedelic Swedish act Baby Grandmothers or ’80s pop-punkers The Scientists [...]".

I am not sure if enough material can be found for a stand-alone article but I think we need to try. This band is obscure but my research for this AfD indicates the band has a historic place in psychedelia, and historically significant subjects should always be somehow found a place in an encyclopedia (if not as a stand-alone then at least as a dedicated section perhaps under psychedelic music). It is possible we may need to use Swedish and Finnish sources for this article (there is a small article on the band at sv.wikipedia) since it was there that they were most significant. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 00:19, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I see no reason to doubt the notability of this topic--they definitely merit an article. The article seems well-written and researched, to boot. Perhaps we could find some Swedish and Finnish sources, as the previous editor recommended. The article should stand. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:12, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]


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