Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catherine Baker (journalist)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:09, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Catherine Baker (journalist)

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There seems to be no citations, nothing to establish notability. She is just some random French journalist who wants to abolish compulsory education and prisons.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2013creek (talk • contribs) 03:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Women, Journalism, and France. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Although there are external links, this article has been unreferenced since at least 2016. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment , I think the article in the moment is clearly lacking in information. However since it already exists in several languages and she is an author I would rather Keep it as a stub. Homerethegreat (talk) 11:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- One of the languages is an almost content-less stub. Several others are mere translations of the French Wikipedia, equally as lacking in sources as it itself is, except that they don't point it out like the French Wikipedia does with a notice at the top of the article. Uncle G (talk) 09:02, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable. Kojavak (talk) 23:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC) — Kojavak (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG. No significant coverage at all.--Jasper Deng (talk) 23:46, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The fr-wiki article -- which one would expect to be the best -- is similarly poor, and suitable RS sigcov have not been provided for any version in almost 20 years. She has a common name (I've just removed one incorrect wikilink), and insufficient coverage appears using her name plus "unschooling"/"non-scolarisation". She is quote in a paragraph of "The Wiley Handbook of Home Education", and a few papers but I don't believe that it is sufficient for consideration against GNG or NACADEMIC. ~~(I'd be ok with a redirect and brief capsule coverage at unschooling if independent secondary coverage of her work/ideas were used/cited).~~ ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 12:42, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:08, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at fr:Catherine Baker per Hydronium Hydroxide and that has been tagged as lacking non-autobiographical sources since 2021. Both articles in both languages have the same problem. I went looking, and found no documentation of this person's life and exactly one book review of this person's works, in Livres hebdo in 1985. Unfortunately, it seems to be not reliable, because it claimed that Baker was "Ex-journaliste, fondatrice de l'«agence de presse Libération»". But in fact there is no such person recorded as a founder of Agence de presse Libération (a.k.a. Agence de presse APL [fr]), so apparently the book review wasn't checking facts. (Ironically, here are two Wikipedias, 20 years after that, outright ignoring "Ex-journaliste" in 1985 anyway.) The one source that the French Wikipedia cites that isn't the article subject documenting the article subject, turns out to be a 1 sentence mention. There just isn't enough independent and reliable documentation existing to write a biography from, here.
Aside: I found Hydronium Hydroxide's "several papers" independently. It's 3, one of which is a footnote when one reads it, one of which is a doctoral thesis that I have no access to, and one of which merely states that people started pushing the text of Insoumission à l’école obligatoire on-line in the early 2000s. Guess when this article and the French Wikipedia's article were written!
Uncle G (talk) 09:02, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No references and no real claim to notability. 128.252.210.3 (talk) 21:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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