Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Helga Guitton

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The result was keep. j⚛e decker ^talk 02:07, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Helga Guitton

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Prod declined by User:Nick without a valid rationale other than the fact that I was prodding a number of articles by the same creator. Let's review them case by case then. This person doesn't seem to pass WP:N, failing WP:BIO including Wikipedia:Notability (creative professionals) requirements. The articles (here nor on de wiki) don't seem to cite any reliable sources (de wiki uses IMDb, our cites de wiki and a World News Network news aggregator. Being a presenter for the 1973 Eurovision Song Contest is just doing her regular job as a news presenter and "tv talking head". I am not seeing any other reliable sources to expand her bio with. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:35, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

delete For a media person strikingly few media hits in search. No claims of notability. -No.Altenmann >t 05:32, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: No this should not be deleted. I'll say it before and I'll say it again, The Eurovision Song Contest presenter is not a regular job, she presented it all over Europe and she was well known in both Germany and Luxembourg. I have no idea why you are against all my article and what gives you any right to delete them, without reason. Mrluke485 11:16, 29 May 2014 (CET)

- @Mrluke485: I told you before that we disagree on the importance of being an Eurovision Song Contest presenter, and I have not seen any consensus leaning towards your point of view. Please expand the article to show that it meets the cited notability guideline, and make sure your other articles meet it as well, and I won't have to review more of your work. Please look at how others are trying to save your articles, and learn from them. I am sure they'd be happy to guide you into how you can write better content less likely to end up here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:40, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:17, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I'm finding sufficient press coverage to establish notability, although a lot of it comes from her having attempted to interview Klaus Kinski (the result was issued on DVD and attracted critical commentary). I've added some references, more to come. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:20, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- That's good, but are any of those sources mentioning her more than in passing? The fact that she did some interviews with notable people and such is not an indicator her notability; but simply of her doing her job as a journalist.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:47, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes they are. As I say, the DVD attracted critical reviews: two of which I have added to the article. Both talk at length about the Kinski interview, how he behaved and how she reacted, how she appears in the interview. The Radio-Kurier article is about three RTL personalities, of which she is one: I expect to add more from that source but had to end my earlier editing session. The first Der Spiegel source I cite, the 1988, has less about her—it devotes a sentence or two to one programme she was slated to co-host. Click on them and you can see the extent of the coverage. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:12, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Yngvadottir: Thank you for the extensive information, and I appreciate your trying to save the article. Please let me know when you are done expanding it, and I'll re-review the situation. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:40, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - Thanks, I think I'm done; I managed to find a reliable source for the Eurovision stint, although Google won't let me see even a snippet from the book on Eurovision and the book on Luxembourg that it tells me include a line about it. There may well be more book mentions out there (I imagine there's a history of RTL somewhere), but I think I've found all I can. And I do think it suffices to show that she had an important career. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:38, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        @Yngvadottir: Nice job. While personally I still have doubts about the subject's notability, thanks to your work the community seems to lean towards keeping it - which my inclusionist sentiments appreciate, too :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:11, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - thanks to Yngvadottir's efforts! Eustachiusz (talk) 14:40, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As a presenter of Eurovision which has a global audience of over 180 million per annum. Also per the research that Yngvadottir took the liberty to find. Wes Mᴥuse 18:57, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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