Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indrit Cullhaj

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The result was redirect to Judo at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 66 kg. Anything worth merging is still available from the article history. Randykitty (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indrit Cullhaj

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Fails WP:GNG AND WP:NOLYMPICS. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:57, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:57, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Martial arts, and Olympics. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Fails to meet WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT, or WP:MANOTE. My search found no significant independent coverage and the article shows none. He is ranked 223rd in the world in his division by the IJF and he lost in the first round (round of 32) at the Tokyo Olympics. Papaursa (talk) 23:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See below for reasoning behind switching to a redirect. Papaursa (talk) 01:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep a quick WP:BEFORE found this coverage in Albanian [1], [2], [3], along with a couple of English-language sources [4] and [5]. His bio at Judo Inside shows he's also won golds at two international tournaments as well. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:07, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Balkans championships is not a major tournament (see world ranking and the fact the divisions had few entrants) and the coverage seems to be more like interviews and reporting of results. I'll admit my search was in English so I missed the Albanian references, but interviews aren't usually considered significant independent coverage. I'd appreciate it if you'd explain how that qualifies as significant independent coverage. Papaursa (talk) 23:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG and sources identified by User:Lugnuts. gidonb (talk) 18:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete basically per Papaursa. The balkans championship is not a major competition, and the coverage is too much in the style of interviews.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources found by Lugnuts. I am open to a redirect as well if an appropriate place to redirect to can be found. Adamtt9 (talk) 14:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What about a Redirect to Judo at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 66 kg? That's what's been done with some of the boxers. I don't think he deserves his own article, but a redirect provides the most significant information about him that might cause people to search for his name. Papaursa (talk) 01:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It seems clear that the coverage of his activities by the media is well beyond routine match coverage; see [6] and [7] for example. EternalNomad (talk) 05:32, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I don't see how an article talking about him being injured in his Olympic loss or an article that is entirely told by him qualifies as significant independent coverage. All coverage about his first round loss seems either like WP:NOTNEWS and/or WP:BLP1E. Papaursa (talk) 02:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep A regional champion and Olympic boxer with tons of coverage. Look at the way John Lambert and Paparusa votes Delete on literally every single AFD nomination and then ruthlessly goes after every Keep voter, they are nothing less than gangsters and saboteurs and their votes should inherently be disregarded with extreme prejudice (I strongly suspect they are sockpuppets). 172.58.160.57 (talk) 05:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:14, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Papaursa. Interviews do not count towards GNG unless they also provide significant independent analysis. From sources mentioned in the AfD: 1. (abcnews.al): pure interview, does not count towards GNG; 2 (balkanweb): a 4-sentence intro blurb in an un-bylined Q&A, does not count towards GNG; 3 (vizionplus-tv): a video interview plus a short 4-sentence summary of the interview, which seems purely descriptive rather than providing independent commentary; 4 (kosovapress): routine injury report from his Olympic match, not SIGCOV; 5 (Albanian Daily News): another 4 sentences reporting the outcome of his one Olympic match, not SIGCOV; 6 (newsport-al): pure interview with very little encyclopedic content in the intro (out of 5 sentences, two are just describing the interview itself: "Albanian judoka Indrit Çullhaj has told a story from his life, where he tells about the difficulties in his beginnings in the sport of judo. ... He has told his story exclusively for Newsport.al, where he reveals some details from his life, from the beginning of practicing this sport..."). None of this is independent, secondary significant coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 00:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Don't see anything to convince me that the GNG is met. A redirect makes sense. Sandals2 (talk) 21:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per JoelleJay BilledMammal (talk) 03:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - passes GNG. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 04:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please give the sources that show the GNG is met.Sandals2 (talk) 23:16, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Papaursa. Stifle (talk) 09:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Deletefor failing WP:SPORTSPERSON and WP:NOLYMPICS. Notability for Olympic competition usually means significant coverage for medal winners but not necessarily for all athletes. Wikipedia doesn't have specific notability criteria laid out for judo competion, but the citations I'm seeing are run-of-the-mill interviews that many news organizations do during competitions. Nice that he recovered well from an injury but is that WP:SIGCOV? Blue Riband► 02:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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