Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jose Luis Aquino

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Similar to the reasoning at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zayda Peña, the subject's individual notability is based on two things: his band (in which case, they should have an article) and his death (which is part of a greater issue that may very well merit an article itself). Content on Aquino would fit well into articles on either, but alone, he does not appear to be of sufficient encyclopedic importance. Tijuana Brass (talk) 07:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jose Luis Aquino

Non Notable. Band he played for doesn't have it's own page. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 00:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Wikipedia is not a Memorial. Aquino was killed on December 6th and obviously a fan or someone else has posted his bio here as a result. There are a tonne of sources on the internet about his death, but he is only notable for being killed and being in a NN band, so I still feel the article should be deleted. Spawn Man ^{Review Me!} 01:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete. Why was the tag removed?-Carados (talk) 01:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The tag was removed, dear Carados, because I was going to edit the article to show his notability. Besides his death, he was notable for being in a band, while unfortunately not having his own article, had released six albums and appeared in a movie. And about his death, he was the third Mexican musician to be murdered in a week! Imagine that. It must've instantly catupulted Aquino and his band into the national spotlight. That makes him notable, I'm sure. More details on him will soon emerge, I fancy. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 01:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sure I've read a policy somewhere that says being the victim of a crime does not make you notable in itself. Don't worry though, if he's notable you have a few days before this AfD finishes to add those sources and assert the subject's notability (Unless this discussion snowballs). Spawn Man ^{Review Me!} 01:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - The third major Mexican musician killed in a week! I think it deserves an article. The other two do. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 01:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - What 2 other mexican musicians have articles? And just because 3 people of a similar profession die in a week doesn't mean they deserve articles. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 01:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - The other two are Sergio Gomez and Zayda Peña. And they didn't just die, they were murdered, with possible organized crime links. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 02:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm most likely making up a policy, but Wikipedia is not a Psychic. It is just speculation that there is organzied crime involved (that I can tell). I am gonna nominate Zayda Pena (with the little squigly thing) also along the same lines as this one. I doubt anything will come up that will assert notability. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 02:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - In fact, WP:CRYSTAL goes exactly toward the proposition that "Wikipedia is not a psychic", so you need not to worry that you've made up policy (on the applicability of CRYSTAL here I have no opinion; I mean only to offer the link). Joe 06:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speculating that all cases are connected is what reporters do - it's also called OR on here. Until there's proof that all the cases are connected, the fact remains that the subject was part of a NN band in which case it merits deletion. Spawn Man ^{Review Me!} 03:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- His band was on the fringes of notability, appearing in a movie, and what really made him famous was the off circumstances of his death. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 16:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Wikipedia is not a Memorial, and this article fails WP:BIO. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- How so? I already established its notability earlier in this discussion. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 17:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per kitia. You've Got Mail! (talk) 17:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete biography of a person notable only for one thing (his death). As his band isn't notable, there is no indication he would've been had he not died. Will ^(talk) 20:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As I've said, the band was notable. It appeared in a movie for crying out loud! ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 21:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Band is a redlink as of this post. Will ^(talk) 22:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - I know. He was also notable for his death and the distress it caused. If it is really bothersome I will create the band's article to settle this because I know its notable. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is notable for his death and being part of a sami-major band. I'll bust your beak! (time for some beak bustin'!) 02:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge - The band was semi major.. Being a fan of Mexican music and visiting Mexico 4 times i have heard of the band. Those who have not heard of him or the band before his death would think of this as a memorial page but some think other wise. Another idea is to merge the article in to a page such as "Mexican Musician Killings of 2007".. It is just an idea. Chandlerjoeyross ^(talk) 12:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge, as per Chandlerjoeyross. I'd note that I don't think we'd even be having this discussion if it were an American or British musician of similar stature within his country who were murdered. --Delirium (talk) 02:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable Mexican band.--EndlessDan 19:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge. If others, more knowledgable about Mexican music than me, feel that this band was notable, surely there should be an entry --Yorkie19 (talk) 12:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.