Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thames Valley University Students' Union

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus - there is clearly no consensus whether the article should be kept or deleted, so the article is defaulted to being kept. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 20:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thames Valley University Students' Union

Another thouroughly average students' union, with an article on Wikipedia which asserts no notability whatsoever through any means, such as external links to independant sources. _TheIslander 15:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletions. -- DoubleBlue (Talk) 04:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per WP:ORG#Non-commercial organizations. Organizations whose activities are local in scope are usually not notable unless verifiable information from reliable independent sources can be found. Auroranorth (!) 12:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 18:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been listed on the talk page for the Student Affairs Task Force of WikiProject Universities. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 18:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Thames Valley University. The students' union article fails to assert notability backed up with independant third party sources. AngelOfSadness talk 21:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Auroranorth and WP:ORG —Noetic Sage 21:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I can't see the benefit of deleting articles about Student Unions. It is impossible to create a catch all article as each student union is run in a different way and have different policies. This discussion would be far better served by having it on all student unions and not individual discussion. There has already been an AfD discussion for SOAS Students' Union that reached no consensus, and I feel that the current AfDs will reach the same conclusion. Andy Hartley (talk) 22:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I did consider creating one AfD for the lot, but wasn't sure, and as per the guidelines for creating AfD's "...if you are unsure of whether to bundle an article or not, do not". You state "...each student union is run in a different way and have different policies". Well, not really. Granted there are slight variations here and there, and there are one or two unions that are just run in a completely different mannor that probably are notable enough for their own article, but on the whole all SUs are pretty much the same. There's pretty much nothing that differentiates one SU from the next, and I've made very sure that I've only nominated those that don't appear to have anything particularly notable about them. There are others that I may nominate, depending on the outcome of these few, but equally there are others that I won't nominate, 'cause I feel that they are notable enough to satisfy WP:N. _TheIslander 23:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now As this AFD and others touch of exactly the same issues, see my lengthy comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southampton University Students' Union about a better way forward of encouraging people to get decent sourcing whilst at the same time getting an actual policy about inherent notability in place, rather than the current mess of individual AFDs on the same basic issue having different outcomes. Timrollpickering (talk) 03:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep until we have a policy otherwise. Nominating them all in the hope of geting a few deleted each time is not a constructive way of establishing a consensus. I apologized for saying just the same as the previous three or four articles, but it is exactly the same issue, and the same inappropriate use of process. DGG (talk) 04:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - student unions, as with all pages, have to meet WP:N and this doesn't. Without WP:RSs it has to be deleted on policy grounds. TerriersFan (talk) 01:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable local org. Mbisanz (talk) 09:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.