Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Travis McGee

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) asilvering (talk) 04:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Travis McGee

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The arguments against this page had been listed in April 2022 at Talk:John D. MacDonald#Merger Proposal. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As proposed, this doesn't work. The only argument listed (as a request to merge) is that the current article is just fancruft not up to wikipedia's standards, so presumably the intention is delete-and-redirect, not merge (hence being brought here instead?). I agree that there's too much fan-cruft trivia in the article, which should be trimmed. But this is the title character of a major series by a highly notable author. I'd be surprised if the subject isn't notable, and there is a case for arguing that if the article's got a load of rubbish in it, clean it up rather than deleting. Elemimele (talk) 07:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Florida. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 12:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As one of the major post-war private eye characters, he should be notable. But the article needs a lot of work. I know I've read non-MacDonald works that write about the McGee character, but WP:MUSTBESOURCES is meaningless. I'm going to put the effort into finding these sources, and using them to improve the article. Or at least I'll try... Madam Fatal (talk) 17:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A quick search found three possible sources, including Beacham's popular fiction in America, Journal of American Culture, and Private eyes : one hundred and one knights : a survey of American detective fiction, 1922-1984 - two journals and a book. I haven't (yet) been able to read more than an excerpt from each, but all appear to be discussing McGee himself, not MacDonald. Madam Fatal (talk) 17:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Character is notable on his own. Merge would be insufficient. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 07:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that hasn't been demonstrated in the article. 23 books and a film, it seems focus on the character is spread out over the articles. – The Grid (talk) 18:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm finding scholarly articles that analyze the character in depth. I was able to access "From Rebel to Reactionary: Class and the Politics of Travis McGee" which is purely about interpreting the character across the novels. A google scholar search also turns up all kinds of promising (but non-digitized) articles with names like "Travis McGee as Traditional Hero," "The Reluctant Hero: Reflections on Vocation and Heroism in the Travis McGee Novels of John D. MacDonald," "Travis McGee-Chauvinism or Chivalry?", "Travis McGee, Tarnished Knight in Modern Armor." (The first few pages of gscholar results are mostly the books themselves, but keep going.) These articles promise an overall analysis of the character, not just the series. The article itself would benefit from some serious pruning but the character looks independently notable to me. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 03:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.