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July 31

BTW, source: http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2007/sc9089.doc.htm —Nightstallion 23:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto for the lethal rainstorms and devastating floods in China, India and Bangladesh, I suppose. Also major news. No articles yet. --PFHLai 17:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
UNAMID is now posted on ITN. (not by me) Still waiting for the floods, though... --PFHLai 23:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that was my, by the same reason as you posted the South Korean hostage crisis. I'd say write up a short article about the floods (2007 South Asian floods, I suppose) and simply post it, I doubt there'll be objections. —Nightstallion 12:25, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Posted, as no one objects.... the article is a bit short, but it's the best new ITN-relevant article I could find right now. --PFHLai 18:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 30

Strong support. Reason for including: High-ranking official and Church leader. --Danielsavoiu 14:43, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As per Bergman below, generally ITN is not an obituary, but being the Orthodox Patriarch does satisfy criteria#5. However the article hasn't been updated beyond one unreferenced line. We need a substantially updated and verified article to include in ITN. --Monotonehell 16:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Now the article contains referenced information about the Patriarch's death. As per #5, the Patriarch is an analogue of the Pope (whose death was duly announced in ITN), though religiously ruling in only one country, so I do not see any reason it contravenes #5:
  1. The deceased was in a high ranking office of power at the time of death. This is true, he was the religious ruler of all romanian orthodox christians.
  2. The deceased died unexpectedly, as it was expected for him to recover. --Danielsavoiu 11:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've added an english language reference and removed a broken Romanian one. The article needs a bit of a tidy up. Getting near ready for ITN. --Monotonehell 11:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ingmar Bergman
Ingmar Bergman
Yes, I know ITN is not generally meant for obituaries, but Bergman was Bergman after all... --Camptown 09:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly support putting this on the in the news section. Very notable and a great loss to Sweden and the world. I already put this request on the main page talk page--Ted-m 11:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We still haven't had a consensus to change criteria#5, if we had I'd endorse this one. --Monotonehell 12:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I really donk't think we need to change any criteria, but use some common sense. If Boris Yeltsin made it to the front page (more than 7 years after leaving office), so should Ingmar Bergman. --Bondkaka 14:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that he actually might have died unexpectedly. Bergman was certainly an old fellow, but when I look at the Swedish media reaction, his death came rather unexpectedly - like a sudden earth quake. So the question is (if that's an absolute requirement, no matter what...): Did Bergman die according to rule no. 5? --Camptown 14:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a lover of film, but I think it's best this not be posted. Criteria 5 can sting at times, especially when it might look like it's slighting a great man, but its the only thing saving us from endless debates, like, for instance, if Tom Snyder met the requirements. The Tom 13:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very strong support. We cannot dismiss this utmost important item just because Bergman didn't perish in a car accident. Don't forget that Bergman was active until his death, and he one of very few 20th century giants in theatre and film. The news of his death covers most of the front page of today's The New York Times, but here (at WP:ITN) people are whining (excuse me!) about formalistic criterias that he didn't die the "right way". --Bondkaka 13:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even if we come to the conclusion that Bergman's death should over ride criteria#5 the update to the article simply says that he died. That means that the item currently fails Criteria #1, #2, possibly #4 as well as #5. Can the article be improved beyond its current state or is there no more information available? (Nb criteria #1 might be satisfied by the entry on Deaths in 2007 instead?) --Monotonehell 14:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly recommend putting Ingmar Bergman's death on the front page. His artistic genius was the equal to Picasso or Kafka. I don't see anything in paragraph 5 to stop us from publishing. abelson 18:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that the problem is not necessarily #5, as everyone respects the career and impact of Bergman, and it's true that he was still (technically) active in film, but the lack of updates to his article. There's a single sentence about his death, and it doesn't even say if he died of old age or from some sort of illness. I can't support putting an article on ITN that has had so little updating (and I've looked in the history- there are a hundred edits in the past twelve hours, but not one of them has been substantial). -- Kicking222 01:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"ITN items link to encyclopedia articles that have been updated to reflect an important current event; it does not act as a newspaper, nor does it link to news articles...." (from Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page) To get an item about someone's death onto ITN, the article about the deceased must be updated with some prose (a short paragraph, maybe), plus references, about the death, right ? I can only find a single sentence about when and where -- not even the cause of death -- in the Ingmar Bergman article. I'll pass. No need to think about criterion #5 yet. Thanks. --PFHLai 01:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why the death of Boris Yeltsin was on the Main Page while the passing away of such giants as Bergman and Michelangelo Antonioni is glossed over on some formalistic grounds. Please remember that Wikipedia is not consistent, by definition. --Ghirla-трёп- 15:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe these two giants of modern cinema (they died the same day) could at least share a hook? --Camptown 20:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 29

This is probably the biggest news story of the day. This may eventually precipitate Abe's resignation, though as of now it's just a major repudiation of the party that has run Japan almost continuously for over fifty years... Lockesdonkey 21:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but try to shorten the hook, and avoid terms such as "landslide". --Camptown 22:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, how about this:
Major news story, since it's the final of a major tournament. And there is also the human interest side of things with Iraq. – Chacor 15:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting, but how "major" is a soccer tournament where Iraq and Saudi Arabia play the final? --Bondkaka 17:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In itself not so much, but the fact that Iraq has reached and won the final has received a lot of attention. If Saudi Arabia had faced any other country, I would have had more doubts. AecisBrievenbus 18:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I find it rather ridiculous that you're discriminating the Asian Cup final to be 'minor' just because Iraq and Saudi Arabia were in it. As the regional tournament it is on a par with the European Championships, or Copa America, or any other continental-based national tournament. – Chacor 01:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But if Wikipedia is not a newspaper, the isolated fact that the event received some attention is rather irrelevant. It may sound cynical: but only if the event brought with it more important implications (such as policy change or security concerns etc) it should go up. Bondkaka 19:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The celebrations after reaching the final were overshadowed by several suicide bombings among jubilant crowds, killing about 50 people, so it's safe to say that there were some security concerns. There was a driving curfew throughout Baghdad for the duration of the final, to prevent another suicide attack. AecisBrievenbus 19:46, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but should we mention the security measures taken in Iraq, to prevent suicide bombings similar to the ones after the semifinal victory? AecisBrievenbus 18:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wait and see. Take a breath. Due to the fact that the Iraqi team consists mainly of professional soccer player who play in other countries, and that the event wasn't really any "major" competion, we should wait and see if the event brought with it other notable implications. Bondkaka 19:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly millions of dollars go into football in Asia as everywhere else. Then, Iraq's winning is a historic event for the country's sports history. And then again, Iraq's squad is a combination of Sunnis, Shia and Kurds - a unique unifying factor in a nation with a Civil War. People are extremely excited there. People are getting killed for it. Yes, we should wait and see the full effect of celebrations in the world's most dangerous streets. FUll support for main page. --Cryout 00:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Major international news event, not just because of the match but because of the "political implications" where three major ethnic groups were represented at the team. However, the article needs more prose about the match per se. --Howard the Duck 01:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that the only reason people want it up is becasue Iraq won the tournament. I don't endorse it. Most of these tournaments don't get on, anyway. The North American tournament didn't. Even though the torunament is in Asia, I still don't think it should be on unless it's in Europe or South America. --Plasma Twa 2 01:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Asian Cup is as notable as the European Championship or the Copa America. It is played on the same level (international continental competition) and is as compeitive. Who're you (or who is anyone) to say that it shouldn't get on because it's not in Europe or South America (or more "well established" regions)? That smacks of very bad systemic bias. – Chacor 01:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While I don't agree with Plasma Twa 2, it has nothing to do with systemic bias. Fact of the matter is that Asia is not a top football continent. Africa, Europe and the Americas feature some of the world's best national teams and some of the world's best players. Asia's best player of the moment is probably Celtic's Shunsuke Nakamura, and very few top national teams come from Asia. The highest placed Asian national teams on the FIFA ranking are Japan (36), Iran (46) and Australia (49). Saudi Arabia is 61st on the world ranking, Iraq 80th. AecisBrievenbus 01:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Right after the referee blew the final whistle, CNN International discontinued their ordinary programs and used their yellow "breaking news" graphics to cover the events at Jakarta and Baghdad. Something that didn't happen at the Euro 2004 and this year's Copa America. It even made into Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, LOL. --Howard the Duck 03:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I find it disturbing that people are actually thinking that the Asia's Cup is not as notable as the European Championships or the Copa America. The amount of racism and bigotry on some of you is unbelievable. Maybe the participants are not white enough or christian enough, but it is a continental tournament and as such it should be in the news. Peace. Marco Alfarrobinha {chat}contributions 03:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is a ridiculous and sickening accusation, and I demand that you take that back immediately. If you have the guts to call people racists, please also have the guts to stand by your words and back them up with facts. Who are the racists and bigots here? What have they said that is racist? What makes it racist? Thinking that an Asian tournament may not be notable enough for ITN has nothing whatsoever to do with anything you've just said. AecisBrievenbus 08:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not the only one who thinks that (Howard, you said that "the only intercontinetal tournament that is notable enough for ITN is the European Championships." a few weeks ago over the CONCACAF results) Why didn't the Americans winning the 2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup get on? The Americans are ranked 14th in the FIFA Rankings, so it's clearly as notable as any other. The only reason this is getting any interest is because it's Iraq winning a tournament and people having violent celebrations. And being on CNN is hardly a merit for being added. --Plasma Twa 2 03:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is, it is not just a soccer- or a sports-related news. When was the last time Wolf Blitzer reported a sports story, moreover, a sport where absolutely no Americans played and cared about? Was the Super Bowl even mentioned at the top of the program? I still stand on my earlier statement that the only intercontinental tourney notable for the ITN is the UEFA Euro championships. But this is something else. It's like the Tour de France doping scandal, if it was some ordinary guy, we won't put it. --Howard the Duck 05:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Once again a discussion regarding a sports related item has sunk into a debate on notability. This is NOT a consideration for inclusion into ITN. If the event is not notable start an AfD for the article. In ITN we only consider the criteria and consensus in their interpretation. With sporting events we only include results of sporting events if they are the top level finals of any particular sport. Having said that, if we apply that guideline strictly we should only mention soccer once every 4 years when the FIFA World Cup competition comes to a close. It has been considered in the past whether we should also include the results of the regional qualifiers, since they are also International events. Those being UEFA (Europe), CAF (Africa), CONMEBOL-CONCACAF (South/North America), AFC-OFC (Asia and Oceania); or other combinations thereof. We've never reached a conclusion on this point however. There's also a further confusion as there are two major FIFA competitions, FIFA World Cup and FIFA Club World Cup.
So can we please stop arguing over notability, it's not productive and is somewhat moot. Instead can we attempt to reach a consensus on whether the qualifiers count as top level events as well as the final FIFA World Cup? --Monotonehell 04:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This was not a qualifying tournament. This is the top-level continental tournament. Arguably it is on the same level as the World Cup, the only difference being the World Cup is worldwide while this is Asia-based. If the fracas between Sweden and Denmark could get on ITN - it wasn't even a final - then this should. – Chacor 04:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the winner goes to the 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup, an unnotable tournament unless someone dies. --Howard the Duck 05:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Arrgh do you mean that there's a third FIFA final now? I thought I had the structure of these comps understood. So, the Confederations Cup also includes the winner of the World Cup? *boggles* So does that make the Confederations Cup a higher comp than the World Cup? What we need here is someone who understands the structure of these comps and can answer the question: What is the ultimate level of International competition in soccer? --Monotonehell 05:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, the World Cup outshines them all, by far. The Confederations Cup are for the championships of the 6 confederations. The different confederations' championships are the qualifiers, plus the World Cup. The World Cup's qualifiers are different. The Confederations Cup is like a warmup and test tourney for the World Cup, in which these 2 have the same host. The Club World Cup works in much the same way as that of the Confederations Cup. --Howard the Duck 06:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since Howard's at the Centre of the World I defer to his wisdom. So it sounds like anything other than the FIFA World Cup doesn't pass the "Top level final of any particular sport" guideline. Would that be fair? Or should we also mention the finals of each regional qualifier that directly feed the World Cup?
PS. to those above who have cited examples of other matches that have made ITN, most of them have been put into ITN without consensus, and others like the Sweden and Denmark match (I think this was the one I'm thinking of) only got in due to the circumstances surrounding it. To reiterate the spirit of the consensus guideline we're working from: Sports results should only be included in ITN if; the event is the final result of the top level competition for any particular sport; or if the event included some kind of Internationally important fallout (massive riots, World Peace, or the universal abolition of wearing wigs for example). It's therefore up to the advocates of each kind of sport to decide what represents the absolute pinnacle of their sport. Or for the article to contain a substantial discussion of what ever Internationally important fallout makes the event suitable for ITN. --Monotonehell 07:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did not mean to cause offence to anyone but, Wikipedia openned a can of worms when it started showing the results of just about every final of every football (soccer)/baseball/american football, etc tournament. I think that only major tournaments with a wordwide viewing (no, the Stanley Cup does not qualify, just ask anyone in Africa or in the South America), should be allowed to be shown in the news, otherwise you are going to have a big problem as there are a lot of competitions in many sports where people are going to want the result to be shown in the news section of the front page.Marco Alfarrobinha {chat}contributions 14:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yet, ask anyone in North America about any of the Africa or South America sports. The Stanley Cup is major in Canada and America, don't try to argue with it. Anyway, we don't seem to add these stories every time. We didn't add CONCACAF, I don't see why we should add anything less then the World Cup or Confederation Cup. --Plasma Twa 2 16:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 27

This story is currently unfolding with scientific specualtions why the cat may have this ability. Reported worldwide, seems to meet all ITN-criteria. --Camptown 21:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this is notable enough for ITN. This is soft news, a human interest story, an entertaining sidenote, and on top of that unsubstantiated. I don't think this meets the ITN guidelines. AecisBrievenbus 22:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree completely on this one. I have nothing to add- Aecis put it succinctly. -- Kicking222 22:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This sounds like pure nonsense. I mean, there were reported pictures of the devil in the smoke during 9/11, but that wouldn't get on. This sounds like nothing more than a few coincidences. --Plasma Twa 2 06:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting story.... 25 observed incidents, and the cat has never been wrong - that doesn't sound coincidential. --Bondkaka 09:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's pretty much the definition of coincidental. --Monotonehell 10:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Probably better at DYK. Already nominated there. --PFHLai 06:09, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since Harry Potter releases have been ITN-featured in the past, maybe the Simpsons phenomena should be acknowledged as well? --Camptown 13:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Generally ITN isn't a place for announcements. Harry Potter shouldn't really have been included. It only got in by the skin of its wand due to the unprecedented turnout at its releases. The Simpsons, while being a widely known franchise and the scourge of Wikipedia trivia sections everywhere, hasn't had any internationally impactful event tied to its release to warrant special inclusion. --Monotonehell 13:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Harry Potter was in because the release had so much hype surrounding it. EVERYONE was talking about it. The Simpsons, while no doubt a bigger pop culture icon, aren't making the same amount of hype. I haven't seen 4,000 people waiting outside of the theatre to see The Simpsons Movie at midnight. If it had a similar hype to The Phantom Menace, then it would be on, as that is pretty much the top when it comes to movie buzz. But, it hasn't, so I see no reason to put it up. --Plasma Twa 2 20:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
First, I'm a huge Simpsons guy, and I've never read a page of Harry Potter. Second, as I noted (with explicit rationale) when it was first being discussed, the HP story deserved to be on ITN. This does not. As great as The Simpsons are, and as much as I'm looking forward to seeing the movie, it's just another movie. Deathly Hollows is not just another book. -- Kicking222 22:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In know this sounds weird but this may become official today when a suspended game where he hit a home run (having already hit 499) is completed. [1] Buc 06:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm waiting for Barry Bonds. That'll be bigger news. --Howard the Duck 08:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
On Google news, not one news source outside North America is reporting this. Kevin McE 13:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because he's the youngest he has a headstart, but he's not exceeded any records, just reached a large milestone. With respect to his achievement he doesn't qualify for ITN. Also the article has a trivia section, which disqualifies it for inclusion. (Okay I just made that up, but would someone like to integrate the trivia and remove the section as per WP:NOT?) When Bonds beats Aaron's record that might qualify. --Monotonehell 13:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody but the most die hard fan cares. --Plasma Twa 2 20:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even the most die-hard fans barely care. I'm not an A-Rod fan, but I am a huge baseball fan. Personally, I couldn't care less. As far as Bonds going up on ITN... I would probably support that. But not this. -- Kicking222 22:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is not even of national interest, let alone international. --Howard the Duck 03:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As le canard says, this is of little interest outside Australia. --Monotonehell 05:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure it's of Australian interest, but hardly of anyone else's. If it was the prime minister, though, that would be a different story. --Plasma Twa 2 20:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Quit getting my hopes up, I even have the article ready to go... 2007 Australia Prime Minister John Howard's shameful resignation fiasco debacle give me your sources... ;) --Monotonehell 03:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 26

The article needs a lot of work before it can be boldlinked to from the Main Page. AecisBrievenbus 18:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After 3 days, the 2007 Taliban-seized South Korean hostage crisis article still needs a lot of work. --PFHLai 06:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely ITN worthy, but the article needs an editor to pull the article together and update on the second killing before it can go up. - BanyanTree 08:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
From what I understand, he was simply asked/ordered to leave the room. I don't think that is sufficiently newsworthy or notable for ITN. Cows fly kites (Aecis) Rule/Contributions 15:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He was suspended from the commons. But no, this is not all that unusual, and in this case is not of international importance. Badgerpatrol 15:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unusual or not - I understand that no MP has been named under Standing Order 44 for at least a decade. --Camptown 16:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Australia and UK both have the same model of parliament with heckling and all, and I would have thought that people get thrown out for rowdy comments or silly personal attacks about once a month (at least in AUS). Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously you people haven't been to the Legislative Yuan with annual faceoffs. --Howard the Duck 03:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If damage to carpets in Gloucestershire merited inclusion, then surely the deaths of several hundred people do. Widely reported away from the area of affected, and clearly verifiable. Kevin McE 10:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mr McE. As someone who suffered during the severe flooding in England in October 2000 I take exception to your remark. I can assure that being the victim of a flooded dwelling is somewhat more serious than a stain on the carpet. In a timber-frame house it can mean demolishing the entire interior. In many cases it means becoming homeless for extended periods like 6 months to a year. On these occasions when whole streets and towns are affected there is an enormous demand for tradesmen to perform repairs and such work cannot usually be undertaken immediately or cheaply. Insurance cannot cover the loss of all things destroyed by flooding. When Lewes was flooded in October of 2000 the centre of the town became a ghost-town for almost a year. Many businesses were ruined and did not return. Please appreciating that a flood is devastating to those who suffer it. Jooler 12:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I apologise, and I sympathise. But in terms of global newsworthiness, once any local parochial interest is removed, it is small beer. I found it offensive that the flooding in the West Country was featured in the main page when comparable, but far more serious, meteorological events the same week (30 killed in Indonesia, 150 killed in China), or floods that caused hundreds of thousands of (presumably uninsured) people to be left homeless earlier in the year, garnered no such attention. I had been accusing ITN admins of anglophone-centricity and lack of world perspective yesterday, and this comment, which I will admit may have been ill-judged, was a hang-over from that. Kevin McE 13:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's good to see you making suggestions now rather than just venting on talk main page. :) However this article is little more than an unreferenced stub as it stands. It should be included in ITN due to its international interest if it can be improved. Remember ITN is not a news service, Its purpose is to highlight encylopedic articles that contain substantial background information to current events in the international media's attention. --Monotonehell 05:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is the purpose of a talk page not to express opinions and discuss the strengths/weaknesses of an article, especially an article that I am not at liberty to edit? Kevin McE 08:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You're quite entitled to do so, but it's even better that you're contributing toward it as well, which is a better way to address your concern. The only way systemic bias can be countered is by editors improving articles outside the bias's normal scope. Recognising the bias is only the first step. ;) --Monotonehell 14:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I endorse putting this up, although the article needs some editing. So many deaths in so many countries is relevant and noteworthy. Cows fly kites (Aecis) Rule/Contributions 14:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is now a paragraph with 100+ words about July2007. Good enough for ITN now ? Need more refs ? --PFHLai 06:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've been keeping an eye on it, and ironically the only reference leads to an article that is more encyclopedic than ours. :( So not really ITN ready. --Monotonehell 10:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 25

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Endorse. I don't see why it shouldn't be up there. --Plasma Twa 2 18:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, I'll second. Posting. The Tom 23:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
One reason why it may not be proper is that we haven't got full results yet -- seven seats are still missing... —Nightstallion 06:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly, but RPDC's majority wont be threatened. Besides, it's seems to be a common practice to announce election results on ITN long before the official results have been finally determined. --Camptown 07:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, results for the Philippine general election, 2007 were never posted on ITN. --Howard the Duck 10:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It certainly was, but with a slightly different hook than you had suggested: "The death toll for violence associated with the general election in the Philippines reaches 126." --Camptown 11:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article at that time didn't have the results; the official results were released by early June and was ignored at this page. --Howard the Duck 14:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's unfortunate. I didn't notice that back then or I would have poked a few people to put it up. --Monotonehell 05:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the 12th and last senator was just decided on July 14 (2 months after the elections, half a month after other official took their oaths), but I didn't bother to post it here since it was too minor and it will be ignored. --Howard the Duck 06:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Originaly posted at WP:ERRORS, copied by ffm 22:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Maybe to go with the new item about doping in cycling? --199.71.174.100 23:03, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That was very quick, Jacoplane. Thank you. --199.71.174.100 23:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 24

Massive doping case involving one of the Tour favourites, in one of the largest sporting events in the world, in a sport already under fire for previous doping cases. Last year's winner Floyd Landis, for instance. Aecis<csup>Brievenbus 18:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't win = not ITN worthy. --Howard the Duck 00:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, he won the stage (by a very big margin) in which he was caught positive. But this is not about winning or losing, since this is not about putting a sports results on ITN. This is about putting a doping case on ITN. And Vinokourov is notable, the Tour is notable and doping in cycling is notable.AecisBrievenbus 00:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Vinokourov is notable (who is this guy?), the Tour is notable and doping in cycling is somewhat notable. But cycling in general and doping in cycling in particular is not yet that notable. And is this a breaking news? I haven't seen it a while ago. Maybe later. --Howard the Duck 00:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Vinokourov is one of the top cyclists. He won the 2006 Vuelta a España (Tour of Spain), and won several other notable competitions. See his article. He was the favourite of the bookmakers (15/8) to win the Tour. He finished 5th in the Tour in 2005 and 3rd in 2003. I think cycling is most definitely notable. It's much more notable in Europe than elsewhere in the world, true, but it's definitely notable. And doping in cycling is absolutely notable. In fact, I think cycling is the sport that receives the most attention for doping, where doping is so entrenched. The positive test was revealed this afternoon. See BBC, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC/ESPN and CBS, for starters. AecisBrievenbus 01:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
One thing though: Wikipedia is not BBC, CNN, etc. If you thought cycling had the most dopers, obviously, you haven't seen that guy from San Francisco. Now if I get that mafia guy on ITN I'll be a happy man (lol). --Howard the Duck 01:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
True, Wikipedia is not BBC, CNN, etc. I just gave you the links to show you that this is not just another guy doing just another thing, that this really gets a lot of attention. Cycling may not have the most dopers, but I do believe that doping in cycling gets a lot more attention than doping in athletics, doping in football, doping in baseball etc. Doping at the Tour de France even has its own article. AecisBrievenbus 01:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I say post, although perhaps with a reword along the lines of "Alexander Vinokourov of Kazakhstan, the odds-on favourite to win the 2007 Tour de France, is disqualified after testing positive for blood doping." Better to get the individual notability across right away, and leave the team politics out of it. There's also a fair-use picture available (it'll need to be cropped horizontally, IMHO), which we're going to need soonish. The Tom 05:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Post On a worldwide scale, this story is massive, with far bigger interest (esp outside USA) than the current sport story, Harrington's Open win, which has had its 15 minutes of fame. It is so much more than a sports result: it is key to the perception of the sport (the 2nd biggest spectator sport in Europe), and will be cited for many years to come. Kevin McE 08:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Update: it turns out Vino hasn't just tested positive after stage 13, but also after stage 15, which he won as well. The very well informed French sports newspaper l'Equipe reports that another cyclist has tested positive for testosterone after stage 11... Cows fly kites (Aecis) Rule/Contributions 12:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Christian Moreni has tested positive for testosterone after stage 11, his team, Cofidis, have withdrawn from the Tour. I suggest something along the lines of "Cyclists Alexander Vinokourov of Kazakhstan and Christian Moreni of Italy test positive for doping at the 2007 Tour de France." or "Cycling teams Astana and Cofidis withdraw from the 2007 Tour de France, after their riders, Alexander Vinokourov and Christian Moreni respectively, test positive for doping." The latter is probably too wordy. AecisBrievenbus 18:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Major update: Race leader Michael Rasmussen has been pulled out of the Tour by his team, for violating an internal doping code... AecisBrievenbus 21:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The doping crisis has now resulted in its own article: Doping at the 2007 Tour de France. If this is put on ITN, I believe this article should be bolded. AecisBrievenbus 21:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have added it to ITN, even though the bolded article is still under construction. Wearer of the yellow jersey Michael Rasmussen has been pulled out of the Tour by his own team. Feel free to reword the blurb accordingly. AecisBrievenbus 21:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This shouldn't be up. Plenty of other scandals in other sports too, why is this different? Maybe if Contador goes on to win it a mention can be made about the controvesy in the Tour this year but ITN worthy? 90.25.0.187 22:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is notable because of the people involved (Rasmussen and Vinokourov), because of the event involved (the Tour de France), because of the sport involved (cycling) and because of the immense media attention on doping during this particular Tour. AecisBrievenbus 22:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well if youre going to be a rogue admin please get your info right. Rasmussen has been pulled out for violating team rules, not for "allegation of doping violations".90.25.0.187 22:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This has nothing to do with being rogue. There was a consensus to post the Tour de France. The problem is just that new information arose after the consensus was reached. Updating a blurb has nothing to do with being rogue.
I agree that the original wording wasn't fully accurate. I have changed it. If you have a better alternative, please do suggest it. AecisBrievenbus 22:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to disagree but since the news included the race leader, it should be added. Nicely done. --Howard the Duck 01:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note as Aecis said, there was an apparent consensus to post this before he posted it (see [2] & [3] if you don't believe). Howard the Duck was the only person who had voiced an uncertainty and it didn't appear to be that strong (and as we now learn, he's changed his mind). 2 people other then Aecis in support may seem hardly a consensus but we're lucky to get that on ITN. It was fair and quite correct for Aecis to assume there was a consensus in the absence of any clear opposition to it's inclusion. Now that it's been posted for a while, you are the only one who has (that I've seen) opposed it which suggests again it was hardly controversial. As such, calling Aecis a rogue admin in this instance hardly seems fair Nil Einne 07:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The only reason that I'd agree with this was because the current race leader was also one the culprits. If Rasmussen wasn't included, I'd still oppose. BTW, rouge admins are cool. --Howard the Duck 10:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 23

Support. Possibly the greatest Viking treasure discovery in recent years. The news seem to meet all ITN-criteria. --Bondkaka 15:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder why this is being ignored. --Howard the Duck 07:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After having some links fixed, I think the item is ready to be posted. --Camptown 08:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: why not instead of "England", lets use "the United Kingdom"? --Howard the Duck 12:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because the north of the United Kingdom is different from the north of England? Because northern England is more specific? I don't understand why you'd want to use "United Kingdom" as it would just cloud the issue, since it's not the sort of thing which applies to every country in the UK -Halo 16:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I actually don't think which is more "popular," "England" or "United Kingdom". You don't actually say "The 33rd G8 summit takes place in Heiligendamm, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, amid anti-globalization protests," you'd say Harrogate, United Kingdom. As for cardinal directions, I'd omit them completely, unless they're part of the name (like West Glamorgan). --Howard the Duck 00:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, in analogy to "Heiligendamm, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern", you'd say: Harrogate, Yorkshire. And technically, the United Kinddom is not a country, but a way of life. ;D --Camptown 08:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In general, in my experience, you use the specific country names unless you're referring to the whole - check "London, England" vs. "London, United Kingdom" or "Edinburgh, Scotland" vs. "Edinburgh, United Kingdom" or even "Belfast, Northern Ireland" vs. "Belfast, United Kingdom" on Google for example. If someone asked what country I was in, I'd say "England" before I said "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Comparing it with German states is a little unfair, because there are greater historical and political differences between the countries in the United Kingdom versus that the relatively modern states of Germany, particularly in respect of things like devolution, separate sports teams for the majority of sports etc. -Halo 01:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What are we waiting for? Put it up now! --Bondkaka 08:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't this on DYK a few days ago? --199.71.174.100 23:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Big news in Britain, but is it really internationally notable? --Bondkaka 15:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(Bolded link). Probably. The early late June flooding definately was but it took a while for the article to get up to scratch and then it goes forgotten about for a while. Someone mentioned it which I noticed & I decided to push for it byt by that time, everyone had forgotten about it due to the terror plot (which I still think was silly but anyway...). As I remarked at the time rescue effort that is "biggest in peacetime Britain" and "damage to business and property is estimated to be over £1.5 billion" says it all to me. For this latest incarnation of the flooding, while it's nor particular clear to me how this compares to the earlier flooding I noticed "The RAF said it is carrying out its biggest ever peacetime operation, with six Sea King helicopters rescuing up to 120 people. The Environment Agency describes the situation as "critical"." which suggests to me it is as well. I suggest a re-wording though but I can't think of how to word it specifically Nil Einne 15:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I fell it is internationally notable, it's the main international story on the CBS website.[4] --Philip Stevens 15:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Endorse both of these two. ITN material. --Howard the Duck 16:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also think that both are good for the ITN. --Credema 17:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The first needs someone to fix its referencing, but they're both ITN-worthy. 17Drew 17:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The biggest ever claim about the floods is possibly dubious, it may be the biggest peace time operation for the RAF, but that isn't what is being implied. Addhoc 19:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 22

Election in Turkey
Election in Turkey
The general election is notable. -- Cat chi? 10:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Very much so, however generally we only list the verified result of national elections. --Monotonehell 10:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That will be published tonight in less than 10 hours. Putting it in advanced will do no harm and would show that we update notable events as it happens. -- Cat chi? 11:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Have the official and full results been published? And have they been added to the article? Because the BBC says that "some three-quarters of votes" have been counted. AecisBrievenbus 23:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have edited the headline; characterizing the AKP's victory as a "landslide" seems a bit much. The party lost ground on its previous result and failed to win a majority of the vote. By Turkish historical standards, it's just another majority win not broadly remarkable by its scale. The Tom 02:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 21

This is notable all around the world, and the article is continiously updated. --Camptown 09:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After Tiger Woods wins by Sunday, then this should be posted. But not now. --Howard the Duck 10:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Should it be "Tiger Woods wins a third Open Championship in a row. In that case. Buc 21:26, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Pratibha Patil
Pratibha Patil
If Tiger Woods wins, it would be more than notable! --Bondkaka 21:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Or, if the current deficit holds, Tiger Woods comes within eight strokes of winning his third The Open Championship. :) Joe 05:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, no. If Woods does not win then we should mention who does win. --Monotonehell 08:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Tiger Woods wins the a third Open Championship and defeats the Vulcans who had planned to take over the world. Tiger Woods buys a coffee... Ok, I'll stop. It is a major golf championship, and regardless of the winner it should go up. We don't put the winner of the Super Bowl up only if it's the Cowboys. --Plasma Twa 2 08:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, my comment was entirely facetious in spirit, consistent with the tendency of some sports media in the United States to report Tiger's performance in any golf tournament as the principal story, even where he fails to win; I'm sorry that wasn't clear. Joe 17:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Tiger can catch up, but I still remember Retief Goosen choking on the 4th round of the U.S. open. BTW, the winner will be known in a couple of hours, I think. --Howard the Duck 09:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
New President elected in the world's largest democracy. Also, she is the first woman to occupy the post which makes it all the more note-worthy. --Natrajdr 14:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Camptown 14:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As much as I believe that the subject in itself is notable and relevant enough for ITN, neither the article Pratibha Patil nor the article Indian presidential election, 2007 has received substantial updates related to the election. The infobox on Pratibha Patil has been edited, and the lead sections of both articles have been updated. There is a lot of information about the election process and the campaign, but very little information about the election itself. AecisBrievenbus 14:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid that's nonsense. The article has been 10 times more updated in the last couple of days than the ridiculous Harry Potter item you’ve posted. --Camptown 18:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Has it? What are the updates to the articles? The article Pratibha Patil has an update to the infobox, and two relevant sentences in the lead. The article Indian presidential election, 2007 has two relevant sentences in the lead. That's it. No tables, no reactions, nothing. If they are included, this nom has my support. But only then. And please, regardless of how you think of Harry Potter being on ITN, let's keep that out of this discussion, shall we? AecisBrievenbus 19:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Has my full support, should be put immediately. --EfferAKS 20:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Effer, put it up now! --Bondkaka 21:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Should be put up asap, especially since the photo has been edited to just include Pratibha Patil herself -- Kitkatcrazy 21:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I recommend the article be put up ASAP. Having it on the ITN will enable further updates to the article. --Natrajdr 22:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely. Arrow740 22:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
ITN is not cleanup. Articles need to meet a certain standard before they can be included on ITN. Neither Pratibha Patil nor Indian presidential election, 2007 meets those standards. AecisBrievenbus 23:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 20

Police in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam have detained about 200 political protesters and are being blamed for the deaths of over 100 of them during protesting of governments seizures of land and freedom of speech. (WikiNews)

This is an importnt issue, involving the deaths of over 100 people in their struggle for Human Rights. It should be front page material.
No Wikipedia article = no mention. --Howard the Duck 10:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It might be helpful if you read the criteria before making suggestions since the proposal is lacking in several key aspects including the lack of an updated article as JtD says and also the event is not currently mentioned in Portal:Current events Nil Einne 11:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 19

or: The seventh and final book in the Harry Potter series of novels by J. K. Rowling is released worldwide. --Camptown 21:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to endorse this one. While it's just a book, it's going to be one of the largest books in a long time. It's the end of a highly loved series, too, so... There should be some mention of it being the last book, though. --Plasma Twa 2 22:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Generally ITN does not make mention of commercial work's releases, unless there's some unusual Internationally interesting fallout or happening. So if an article exists on Wikipedia documenting that please mention it here. --Monotonehell 22:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Currently, the article actually lacks sufficient updates. --Camptown 10:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, let me state that I do not care about Harry Potter. I have never read a page of any of the books nor seen more than three minutes of the movies. With that said, I think there have been plenty of updates in regards to the book's release, the early anticipation, the leaks, etc. I think this is a more than sufficiently large and important enough event to be on ITN. I think that, even though it's a commercial release, it's the commercial release of the final book in the single largest book series in the history of mankind- a series that has averaged 55 million in sales per book. Overall, I think that this absolutely should be on ITN. I don't believe that putting this up will look like an advertisement- it won't sell a single book for Rowling. Everyone who is going to buy it is going to buy it regardless of a posting on ITN. But what ITN is about is international news, and this release is the epitome of international news. Kicking222 13:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While I'm not disputing most of what your saying nor am I saying it shouldn't be on ITN, ITN is not really about international news. Nil Einne 22:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What? Then what is it for? 87.244.70.107 23:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
See Template:In the news Nil Einne 11:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Criteria 3 for ITN is "It should be a story of an international importance, or at least interest." Evil Monkey - Hello 23:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I'm aware of that but "But what ITN is about is international news, and this release is the epitome of international news." is incorrect as ITN is not about international news. This was the point I was making and I think it's important that partipants in the discussion about ITN are aware of that. Nil Einne 11:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I endorse putting this up as well. This release is unprecedented, both in terms of sheer size (this book seems to be breaking a lot of sales records) and attention/coverage. This is an exceptional case. For this reason, unlike just about every other release, it is notable enough for ITN. AecisBrievenbus 19:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The book was released about 20 minutes ago. People were lining up in droves and camping out for the night. You don't get that for any other book. 211.26.224.189 23:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is July 21 in the UK. Shouldn't this be on the main page now? Joshdboz 23:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. AecisBrievenbus 23:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks! Joshdboz 23:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Give me a "W", give me a "T", give me an "F". WTF? What's next Voltron (2008 film) on the Main Page on 2008? LOL. Unless, someone died or a war broke out because of the book. --Howard the Duck 03:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is no evidence that the level of interest for Voltron is anything near that of HP7 nor that it will be particularly noteable in the field movie releases. Perhaps the closest to HP7 in recent years was LOTR but even that was still not quite comparable IMHO Nil Einne 11:11, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is just Britocentrism. (LOL) The Voltron fans will be coming in droves......... not I really don't get what's big with this. There's no news in this, even the news agencies are reporting other more "encyclopedia-worthy" things, not this HP7 hype. In any case, I hope somebody tells me what happened so I won't have to buy a very expensive book. --Howard the Duck 09:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Currently a poor article - mainly about the plot (!) - it is an embarrassment for ITN. --Camptown 11:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If only this article is expanded, we can replace this with the HP item... --Howard the Duck 05:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I love how people complain about Deathly Hallows... Anyway, I'm not much on space news, so I don't know how often a moon is discovered... Saturn has 60, though, so I don't think it's that big of news. If it was, say, Venus that had a moon, definetely. But if we put this one up I think we'll have to put the next twenty of them up. --Plasma Twa 2 08:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Any new discovery, especially about moons and such, is suitable in the news section of an encyclopedia. Perhaps on CNN it isn't. --Howard the Duck 11:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 18

2007 New York City steam explosion
2007 New York City steam explosion
On instinct I would say that this should be qualified, but we didn't put the earthquakes from a few days ago in for awhile, and they were alot more harmful... I'm going to give this a no for now. It seems like it was just an accident, I don't see what kind of relevence it has outside of the New York area. --Plasma Twa 2 22:20, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The story was picked up and covered around the world. The area in NYC where this occurred is not far from the U.N. and is also a major business center. Grand Central Terminal is a landmark building and a major tourist attraction, fairly well known internationally. Dhaluza 02:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that a story has been picked up by international media does not make it of international importance or interest. News services pick up all kinds of "cat up tree" stories. If this was simply a mechanical failure incident with no fatalities then it's of no importance to anyone outside of the local council. --Monotonehell 05:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There was one fatality, and another person was gravely injured. It was not carried as a "cat up tree" story, it was hard news (see [5] for example. It is a major disaster that will have significant economic impact. A significant section of the city is still under police lock-down with no foot or car traffic allowed in. Dhaluza 09:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think the recent earthquake wasn't put on the the template because the article needed to be expanded... --​​​​D​​tbohrer​​​​talk•contribs 11:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
By "cat up tree" story I mean a story that has little local importance to a news service but is shown for virtually entertainment reasons, out of morbid interest. Accidents like this happen all over the World, and are often reported all around the World in a short piece if there's some gripping vision. But after they are shown, there's usually no further follow up pieces. This item was shown all over the World on the day it occurred, but as soon as the vision was shown and there was no sign of terrorist activity it has been dropped. Therefore it's only of local concern and not really ITN material. --Monotonehell 13:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with some of the above comments. Most of the coverage of this explosion was about how it reminded New Yorkers of 9/11. As an event in itself, it received very little coverage, so I don't think this is suitable for ITN. AecisBrievenbus 19:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Aecis has made my point for me. Regardless of what economic impact it may have, this was not the reason it was picked up nor was it what the coverage concentrated on. I should also remark it only really received attention for a short time and was soon forgotten Nil Einne 22:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would support this nomination. The event is notable, and the article has been sufficiently updated. --Camptown 21:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
NFL player behaving badly ≠ news--it's just continued evidence that the earth is spinning on its merry way around the sun. Granted, Vick's an exceptionally high-profile NFL player, and dog fighting is a rather odd charge, but my instinct is no. The Tom 17:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Tis American only news. Not notable enough. --Plasma Twa 2 21:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even if David Beckham had been charged with dog fighting it's still unlikely to be ITN worthy. Perhaps if he'd been charged with the murder of Posh Spice (David I mean not Michael) Nil Einne 08:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the above, I do not support the nomination. The great kawa 09:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, not enough at Dow_Jones_&_Company#Buyout_offer yet. Need to see some reaction from the news media and other orgnaisations before there is enough there. Carcharoth 11:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would be inclined to agree, but with that said, it is absolutely noteworthy enough to be on ITN once the section of the article is fully fleshed out. -- Kicking222 11:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely ITN-worthy IMHO. I would suggest "TAM Linhas Aéreas Flight JJ 3054 skids off a runway in Congonhas International Airport, São Paulo, Brazil and crashes with 176 on board". Fvasconcellos (t·c) 01:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The number of fatalities is now estimated at around 200. AecisBrievenbus 02:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support when it has more than the 7 sentences it has now (i.e., when more content is added). Pepsidrinka 01:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support adding it now. There is a team of editors over there that will be adding news as it comes through. Carcharoth 03:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Added. It's expanded significantly since I last checked. Nice work. - BanyanTree 03:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support adding this image. Felipe C.S ( talk ) 20:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Gotta be honest here... I have never heard of this. Ever. It certainly hasn't made the news anywhere in America, as I've already read ESPN.com and the NY Times this morning, but saw no mention of it. -- Kicking222 11:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to agree with Kicking. When it comes to (American) football, only the Super Bowl is really notable enough for ITN. The World Bowl might be somewhat notable in times of drought, but the IFAF World Cup doesn't cut it imo. AecisBrievenbus 17:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 16

I would oppose this one. While the release of the book may be notable enough, I don't think the alleged leaking of unverified copies is. AecisBrievenbus 00:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Two points before this can be considered for inclusion. Firstly the term "lifts" is too obscure, so the headline will need to be revised. But more importantly, the article has almost no prose. There's nothing to read about there except a load of result tables. For this item to be included the article needs to be brought up to an encyclopedic standard instead of an almanac standard. --Monotonehell 13:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is a problem on many soccer-related articles though, for example, the UEFA Champions League 2006-07 - Knockout stage results article fails to note how "dramatic" the Lille-ManU game was. And if we'll include this, we'd better include the winner of the 2007 AFC Asian Cup as well, the tourney is more exciting that this, IMHO. --Howard the Duck 14:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I recognize that this needs to be expanded and desperately needs sources, but I'm hoping this will attract attention to the page so that it can be filled out in more detail. Cumulus Clouds 16:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While it's a little short at the moment, once it's expanded I fully endorse this. --Plasma Twa 2 17:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If this is put up, should we mention the leaking of contaminated water from the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Plant into the Sea of Japan? Japan has since been hit by another earthquake. I don't know if the two quakes are related. The article has been moved to 2007 Niigata earthquake, btw. AecisBrievenbus 18:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the major news sources are running that leak as their main story, also the second quake in the Sea of Japan was (I believe, at least) an aftershock, though it was a magnitude 6.8. Both should be mentioned and I'll try to add some more information. Cumulus Clouds 18:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest rewording to:
I suggest something along the lines of:
AecisBrievenbus 18:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should avoid the death toll or casualty numbers if we are not sure about the figures. The numerical info can be dated quickly, anyways. --199.71.174.100 02:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"9 are killed, over a 1000 are injured and the world's largest nuclear power plant reports a sea of troubles after 6.8 magnitude earthquake jolts northwestern Japan." There's even some Shakespeare in there. Sir Poke 10:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Added, in modified form. - BanyanTree 01:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 14

Support a new arms race in Europe is possible, but "Russia announced its suspension of observance of the CFE Treaty" sounds better. Mieciu K 17:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about the wording. Most obvious would be something along the lines of "Russia says...", but Russia is inanimate, it is not a person, it cannot say anything as such. "The government of Russia announces..." would be better, but preferable imo would be a person: "Vladimir Putin announces that Russia..." Any thoughts? AecisBrievenbus 00:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and added this based on the wording in the article, rather than waiting for consensus to emerge as to the exact desired wording. Thanks, BanyanTree 04:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse this. I'm tired of seeing Alinghi and ETMZ on the main page. :p --Howard the Duck 15:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 13

Conrad Black's Guilty verdicts? Acceptable 18:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article isn't in the best condition, there's a few templates on it. But it's mostly okay. There has been a few updates with current info, but I'm unsure as to the International importance or interest of this item? --Monotonehell 19:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just one man, but I don't think I've ever heard of him. More concrete than the "importance" factor is that the article is not in particularly good shape, both in terms of current events updating and overall appearance. -- Kicking222 00:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd give it the thumbs-up provided the article is in good shape. Lead story in Canada and Britain. The guy is basically Rupert Murdoch minus a few degrees in the market share pie and a larger vocabulary. The Tom 04:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say it needs a place there. It's a huge story in Canada and fairly big in the northern states too. And I agree with the large vocabulary comment, lol. ☭ Zippanova 04:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can't we add this? Some of the "news" are from July 3, almost 2 weeks ago! --Howard the Duck 06:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even though he's not a big figure in America, I'd be happy to support it getting put on ITN- but again, the article has exactly four sentences on the past year and a half of his troubles. If any of you guys who are so keen on it being placed on ITN feel like updating the article, then be my guest. -- Kicking222 13:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 12

American oly news. Not notable in any way. --Plasma Twa 2 15:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fails criterion # 5. --Howard the Duck 16:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 11

--Howard the Duck 11:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
endorse This is just... different than all the other military deaths in the past. --Plasma Twa 2 23:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 10

  • A small heads up: the Polish government will face a vote of no confidence in parliament tomorrow. If accepted (which is deemed likely by the media), the government will collapse, prompting early elections. The vote of no confidence comes after vice prime minister and Minister of Agriculture Andrzej Lepper was sacked for corruption at his ministry. In response, Lepper pulled his party out of the governing coalition. AecisBrievenbus 21:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If the no confidence vote dissolves the government then we might have a notable news story, but I doubt we'd get any useful encyclopedic article up to standard in a timely manner. The article seems a bit emotive, bordering on POV, things like "and has been implicated in loud scandals." need to be cleaned up. There's far too many news paper articles in Wikipedia these days. --Monotonehell 04:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Crisis has been averted for the moment, no news item. Suggestion withdrawn. AecisBrievenbus 17:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 9

Benedict XVI
Benedict XVI
This is important news with interesting implications for the Roman Catholic Church and its relation to other religious faiths. Camptown 10:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so... I mean, I've never heard of it before. It's big to catholics, but I'm wondering how many catholics actually know what it is. --Plasma Twa 2 10:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is really notable as the mass e.g. contains a prayer for jewish conversion. --Camptown 10:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I endorse putting this up. This is an interesting development, and the article deals with the subject in an encyclopedic way. We are able to provide encyclopedic background on a current event with this topic. AecisBrievenbus 10:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Generally the "I've never heard of it before" gauge only has a sample size of one and so holds little weight. I'm not at all Catholic and I know about the subject, but haven't heard the news. The item isn't on Portal:Current events as yet. The article has had a reasonable update.The Catholic Church is one of the largest Worldwide organisations so it satisfies the International Importance/Interest criteria. The question is, is this a large enough event within the Catholic Church? --Monotonehell 10:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It really is notable, considering that an entire line of pretender popes (sedevacantism) sprung up because of Vatican II. --Golbez 10:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support this item. This might be the biggest challenge to the reforms of the Second Vatican Council. Pope Benedict seems so have decided this on his own initiative so the "I haven't heard about it"-reaction is probably "intentional". According to The Boston Globe, anybody can now request Latin Masses in their parish, and if the request is not met, they can appeal. The delicate problem with the Latin Mass is that it was abolished, not only for being in Latin, but also for being intolerant, and even anti-semetic. Bondkaka 10:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Golbez 21:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 7

Isn't there anyone else who thinks this major important news? --EfferAKS 04:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's just the publicized results of an internet poll that takes it upon itself to replace the old list, which I am willing to bet will still be the one that's always associated with the words "Seven Wonders". --Plasma Twa 2 10:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Totally agree with this nomination. It's a huge concert with many famous entertainers and singers on stages around the world. It also raises awareness about a really important issue in our world today. Eagle Owl 17:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article concerns me though, it talks e.g. about a predicted audience of 2 billion people to inspire activism. Large parts of the article reads like an ad for ticket sales and other practical advice such as contact information for various policy centers. Maybe, we'd better wait a couple of days till the most speculative assertions have been measured against reality. --Camptown 18:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This item is tempting, but there aren't too many updates to the article. To be honest, this article could have conceivably looked the same a few days ago as it does now. It still looks like a preview of the event rather than a review. -- tariqabjotu 01:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The event is certainly worthy of an article. But remember, Wikipedia is not a newspaper, we should only highlight retrospective articles not announcements. That's one of the differences between news and encyclopedia articles. --Monotonehell 04:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dunno about this, the concert is certainly more international and notable than that Diana concert a few weeks ago... --Howard the Duck 05:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is your "Dunno about this" directed at my comment or the nomination in general? --Monotonehell 07:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The nomination in general. Buf after much thought, this is too minor of an event. --Howard the Duck 09:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please reconsider. This is a really notable event, with concerts taking place across the world. It's bound to be on every news station so why shouldn't it be on Wikipedia. The article is has already been translated onto 22 different Wikipedias. Someone mentioned earlier that the article looks the same as before the concert took place. This probably because there are several articles spinning off from Live Earth such as Live Earth concert, London. I truly think this should be noted in our news. Eagle Owl 12:17, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Added. --Jay(Talk) 03:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 5

July 4

I'll be away for a bit, and so I'll not have a chance to propose this upon its actually happening and upon the relevant article's being updated, but I think the item probably to merit ITN inclusion and think the underlying article to be quite fine, and so I suggest it as being appropriate upon the transpiring of the event (in 30 or so minutes) and the updating of the 2014 Winter Olympics bids article. Joe 21:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sochi, Russia is chosen by the International Olympic Committee as the host for the XXII Olympic Winter Games. I endorse it. --Plasma Twa 2 01:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think we would do better to link to, and embolden, the more precise, updated article (2014 Winter Olympics), but I imagine your wording to be a bit clearer than mine (although a comma ought probably to be situated after Russia; Russia acts, as set forth in Comma (punctuation)#Grammar, as a parenthetical phrase). Would there be any objection to the following:
Sochi, Russia, is selected by the International Olympic Committee to host the XXII Olympic Winter Games (in 2014; I really haven't a firm conviction about whether the date ought to be included). Joe 03:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --Golbez 03:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I should probably take this to Template talk:In the news, but I would observe, consistent with my proposed wording above (in which, I see, I mislinked), that the emboldened and linked-to article ought to be that relative to the selection itself and that which is more fully updated, viz., 2014 Winter Olympic bids (to which selected links), and that Russia ought to be followed by a comma. I've corrected the link in my revision, and I wonder whether there are any objections to our editing the posted item accordingly. Joe 03:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Spike, I, for one, definitely appreciate your enthusiasm and commitment to the project. With that said, I have seen you make three In the News suggestions, and none of them have been the stuff of ITN- a hot dog eating contest (which, by the way, I religiously watch every year, including today), a dead body in an elementary school, and the "Bong Hits for Jesus" ruling. Perhaps- and please know that I am saying this in the absolute kindest way possible- you should take another look at the ITN criteria. None of your three suggestions- especially the dead body and Joey Chestnut- have any sort of international- or even national- significance. -- Kicking222 03:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I guy who eats hotdogs everyday, I support this. The defending champ is Japanese, so there is some interational interest in this thing. --Howard the Duck 03:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The dead body was a rookie mistake. The other one was suggested because as it was a fairly large ruling in the Supreme Court of the United States, and this Hot Dog one is of international importance because anybody that cares about competitive eating is interested, similar to the way that the NBA Championship results would be put in ITN. Also, you've probably seen all the Japanese coverage that goes on at the contest, so there is definitely international interest here. FireSpike 04:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Anybody that cares about competitive eating" is the operative phrase. Compared to the NBA (or any other major league sport), nobody cares about competitive eating (and I'm including myself, as I do care). It's not just a niche, but a very small niche. In this case, why not put the death of Lady Bird Johnson on ITN? After all, she had an international impact, and anyone who cares about the position of First Lady is certainly interested. Or, for that matter, why not post the winner of the ongoing World Series of Poker? At least they win $8.25M, which is far more than Joey Chestnut will ever see. -- Kicking222 02:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 3

  • The London and Glasgow terrorist incidents have been linked to the same two men and the UK terror alert level remains at 'critical', the highest level, meaning a further terrorist attack is expected 'imminently'.
Replace the existing ITN item on the incidents with this. TerriersFan 22:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The America's Cup is the most prestigious and most famous regatta in the sport of sailing, and we have a substantial article on this year's event. My blurb needs to be improved to mention that its a sailing / yachting event for those who are unfamiliar with the event.-gadfium 19:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Meh, they will click if they don't know what it is. Support this biatch!!58.104.61.196 02:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Added. Evil Monkey - Hello 03:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

July 2

He didn't pardon, but simply commuted the jail sentance. I'd support something along the lines of: President George W. Bush commutes the jail sentance for former White House aide Scooter Libby; the conviction still stands. Preston 23:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think that sounds better tehn my version. --Thekittybomb 23:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I absolutely endorse putting this up, but I'm not sure it's possible to write a concise blurb without omitting important information. Just writing "American president George W. Bush commutes the sentence of Lewis "Scooter" Libby" doesn't provide enough context imo. A blurb should also include links to CIA leak grand jury investigation and to Plame affair. AecisBrievenbus 00:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am thinking of adding this: "President George W. Bush commutes the sentence of Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who had been sentenced to jail in the Plame affair." Thue | talk 01:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


This is something that will probably go on for a while. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and as such we should not give blow by blow reports. When it's completed and we have an article that reflects the events in an encyclopedic manner then we should include an item in ITN --Monotonehell 13:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is this receiving much International media attention? --Monotonehell 13:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not nearly as well covered as I thought it would be. [6][7][8] [9]. A wee bit of coverage, but nothing major. Award was only announced yesterday, so it may take a day to percolate into the rest of the media. Did we cover the latest Medal of Honor recipient (Jason Dunham), or the latest British VCs (Bryan Budd and Johnson Beharry)? I'm not accusing of any bias, just genuinely interested in seeing if there is some sort of precedent. Evil Monkey - Hello 21:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Answering my own question. For Johnson Beharry, there was an item added about four days after the award was announced. Seems to be the only one of the recent awards for bravery under fire that made it onto ITN.

July 1

Are you referring to a recent current event? This page is only for suggestions for posting current events on the "In the news" section on the main page. If instead you are wondering why the Transfer of the sovereignty of Hong Kong article was posted on the "On this day" section for June 30 instead of for July 1, please go to this discussion. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For anyone who is wondering, Hong Kong reverted to Mainland Chinese control 10 years ago. --Monotonehell 03:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC) Can't help myself || Revision as of 00:00, 30 June 1997 (edit) Chinese Govt (Talk) (→Hong Kong - RV, lease expired) ← Older edit || Sorry ;) --Monotonehell 13:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that perhaps we could have a note on the Concert for Diana in the news section. This is a huge concert airing in over 140 different countries with some of the most famous singers in the world performing. It may go something like:

Concert for Diana takes place at the Wembley Stadium to commemorate the 46th birthday of Diana, Princess of Wales. Eagle Owl 18:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to read the criteria and make a proper proposal and see what happens. Personally I don't think this qualifies as it's not of great international interest but no one is going to give it much heed in any case without a proposal in accordance with the criteria. Nil Einne 18:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not great international interest? It's being aired in 140 different countries and watched by 500 million people. Eagle Owl 18:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Such viewer estimates tend to be notoriously unreliable, especially given this is an estimate before the event has event taken place and I believe an estimate by the organisers (who have a good reason to want to lie). Also from what I can tell, the 140 different countries includes countries getting it via Star TV and other satellite networks. It's not quite the same thing as a local network choosing to pickup the show and it's only available to people who have access to the satellite network which in some cases may only be a small proportion of people in that country with a TV. Most significantly, the fact that it is broadcast in 140 countries does not indicate there is any significant interest in any of these countries. There does appear to be some interest in the UK, but beyond that international interest is not particularly clear Nil Einne 18:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
N.B. As this is a charity concert, if some sort of figure for the estimated amount of money collected is revealed e.g. at the end then this might the thing to concentrate on and is likely to have greater international interest then the concert itself Nil Einne 19:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure they wouldn't attempt to broadcast the event in the country if it wasn't going to be watched by many. And how on earth do you know if the organisers are going to lie about viewing figures? But anyway, it was only a suggestion and thank you for your quick responses and interest in the matter. Regards. Eagle Owl 19:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
At the end of the day, this is purely a British matter. I haven't seen this on local TV, so we're not one of the 140 countries mentioned. --Howard the Duck 03:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Purely a British matter? Are you kidding? Well I have definitely heard about it here in New Zealand and I might add that it would be nice to have more items of international interest but less interest to Americans. Just because it doesn't happen in your neck of the woods doesn't mean it's not of high international concern. PageantUpdater 11:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So OK, "Commonwealth-matter", since after seeing some pics from the event there are certainly an abundance of Commonwealth singers like Joss Stone, Daniel's sister and Nelly Furtado (don't ask me why I highlighted the females). I'm not American or from the Western Hemisphere for that matter (LOL), but perhaps if this will be televised, maybe within the next few weeks, when its "news-ness" faded already. --Howard the Duck 13:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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