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Struggling to collaborate with another user. What should I do?

Hello, I have been advised to post a report to AN/I [1] but I'm hoping to resolve a dispute in a friendly way. I'm trying really hard to avoid an edit war with User:ජපස, but he constantly reverts many of my edits and seems to just irrationally try to block my contributions (His recent contributions are almost exclusively "against" me [2]). He usually reverts multiple edits blindly with edit comments referencing guidelines vaguely with no explanation, so I am not able to resolve or discuss his issues with my edits appropriately. I asked him many times to explain his reasons in a calm manner so that I may improve upon his criticisms with less discussion but to no avail. Examples:

third revert in 24h by the user just saying: WP:TOOSOON There is nothing to discuss. [3] (I asked him to explain/discuss twice already)
third revert in 24h by the user just saying: Poorly worded WP:POVPUSH [4] (I asked him to explain/discuss twice already)

I've started half a dozen discussions asking him for explanations but he just keeps following this approach and often resorts to uncivility and personal attacks. (some examples [5][6][7][8]). It's mostly just me and him on those pages so we can't start and RfC or post on noticeboards for every edit obviously. We need to figure out a way to work together but some external help would be appreciated. It's really hard to collaborate with this user and simply being more verbose in edit messages or applying WP:ROWN would resolve all issues as I've tried to explain to him many times. This has been going on for a month and is very time consuming. What should I do? Any help would be appreciated. I understand this is a complicated matter and requires a lot of (useless) reading so thank you for taking the time to read through this. --Gtoffoletto (talk) 00:13, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gtoffoletto: Hello and welcome. If you mean something like the recent back and forth at Ufology, you should post your edit or concerns to the talk page of the article, after the first revert. I did not see any posts there by you, so that is the place to start, per WP:BRD. Arguing back and forth in the edit summaries is not recognized as an effective method for gaining consensus. The talk page makes the discussion more visible, and allows each editor to state their views on the article edits. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 08:57, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

PS I looked into this a bit more and it seems like you have already taken this issue to the edit warrign noticeboard here, and then taken the same issue to ANI back in February, and been blocked as a result of the ANI discussion. I think the block message by Bishonen in the most recent ANI thread had some sage advice that you would be prudent to follow. Also, there are six million other articles to edit. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 09:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey @ThatMontrealIP: thanks for taking the time to review this. Yes we had a previous argument around a month ago over similar issues. The full AN/I discussion is here and for context there are some important replies after the block by another admin User:El C [9] Not to make excuses but I was very ill at the time (I come from Milan, Italy...I'll let you guess) and lost my temper resulting in reports that weren't as coherent and understandable as I would have liked (admins described them as "sub-par"). I was in contact with two admins and one of them decided to block me for 31h for reasons not directly related to the report (I was unintentionally forumshopping). I have accepted that block (the first in over 10 years and almost 2000 edits on en and it wiki) and tried to collaborate with the user more productively. But here we are. I am afraid that block is preventing anyone from addressing the actual underlying issue. As you can see the user was warned by User:El C against WP:HOUNDING during that conversation. Even if I move on to other articles (as I've done) he will follow.--Gtoffoletto (talk) 11:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

P.s. this is a long story. Unfortunately User:El C is unavailable at the moment but the problems are getting worse despite my best attempts. Unless someone spends some time researching this fully I'm afraid the problems will persists. The recent profanity can attest the situation is out of hand: [10] I've never seen anything similar be tolerated on Wikipedia and don't know what to do anymore. I think we need some sort of independent "outside" help --Gtoffoletto (talk) 11:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

no time to read this, simple answer: avoid the other user (whoever, for whatever) - we really have more urgent problems. Perhaps look at my little visions, such as voluntary one revert, and only two comments in a discussion, - as a guideline? ... note to self: "and don't get too upset over this". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks User:Gerda Arendt I subscribe your visions fully. I believe the user's contributions prove he is mostly WP:HOUNDING me so I can't just "avoid him" or "move on". I normally subscribe to voluntary 1RR and just discuss the issue. Actually I prefer NO reverts as per WP:ROWN as I've suggested to the user multiple times. I will gladly accept any voluntary restriction on myself (as I have tried to do so far) as long the other user accepts them too (or they would be useless as they have been so far). He just won't engage in proper discussion with me. @ජපස: any thoughts? This squabble is ridiculous, especially right now. It's just me and you on those pages and nobody has the time to help us figure this out. Do you accept WP:ROWN and no reverts, just edits and discussion? --Gtoffoletto (talk) 11:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

You still write about the other? - Turn away, ignore them, don't think of them. It's not easy, but saves you precious time ;) - Look: on the Main page are three articles I took part in writing about people who recently died, and there were two others before, earlier today, - a sad record. Next Krzysztof Penderecki, an enormous task. Find references for his awards, perhaps? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

I see what you mean. But I work per topics (Wikipedia:WikiOgre). I research sources thoroughly and then insert them into the articles over a period of many months. I can focus for a while on my other current interest which is certainly more important at the moment (I'm part of Wikipedia:WikiProject_COVID-19 and work on therapies and transmission studies) but I want to continue my work on USS Theodore Roosevelt UFO incidents (which I created) and Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program at least in the future. There is no rush but the problem has been lasting since early February and no amount of time seems to make it better. Few edit those pages at the moment (I just created one of them) so he will inevitably be back. I absolutely welcome criticism, but it needs to be constructive. The incident reported above has taught me not to take the WP:BAIT but it's constant baiting and incivility at the moment with no compromise or discussion. We cannot let the project be damaged by one user (e.g. [11]). --Gtoffoletto (talk) 12:23, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gtoffoletto: if you look at the top of the page, you will see this page is for answering questions from new editors. Your dispute with another editor is not an appropriate topic here. You are an experienced editor, figure it out-- and not by forumshopping. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey @ThatMontrealIP:. I'm sorry if this inappropriate. I saw "A friendly place where you can ask questions and get help in using and editing Wikipedia" and "If you're just plain confused, ask at the Teahouse." and though it was appropriate to ask for advice. Although I have experience editing articles (which I love). I don't have experience with bickering with other users and the politics of wiki. This is my first time. Not sure what is happening but I tried to ask for help once already (clumsily as I have admitted) and it has resulted in me being banned (as you saw above). Something I thought would never happen to me. I admit I am struggling. If I were a different kind of user I would have abandoned wikipedia by now. This is worrisome for the project and the acquisition and retention of new users. There is no place one can just ask for help and guidance without being threatened of being banned? [12] Thank you --Gtoffoletto (talk) 11:22, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

P.s. I don't want to be perceived as just whining. I cherish the advices I have received above by you and others. And some progress has been made today. I hope it's a good sign! [13]. Thanks to everybody taking their time to help with this. --Gtoffoletto (talk) 11:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Certificate

I am still learning and have thus far made some contributions to Wikipedia articles. I wish to know if I can get a letter of recommendation or a certificate of participation that I can include in my resume. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clint Atahualpa (talk • contribs) 15:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Clint Atahualpa, Wikipedia is an informal volunteer organization and you are not an employee. Therefore, other than referring your potential employers to your user page and your User contributions (which could be fake for all anyone knows, as they are user-generated), the answer is no with regard to the encyclopedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

If we're speaking strictly about editing Wikipedia and not working with the Foundation or doing community organizing: this would be something in the hobbies section only if you had space to spare. Even if you racked up a decent number of community-vetted quality articles (like good articles and featured articles), it'd still be on the hobbies section, though arguably, you could include it on your cover letter if demonstrating a skill relevant to the position you're applying to. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Clint Atahualpa: Since the Wikimedia platform is a content management system in use outside the WMF projects (is there a list of notable deployments?), if you are proficient in Wikitext, I think it's perfectly reasonable to include that in a skills list, especially if you're a writer, or likely to work for companies that use the platform. As most of my skills are straight coding languages (e.g., C++), I think it adds some breadth to my (implied

) abilities. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

question concerning formatting

Hi, you all. I format my reference-links and use "website" as part of it - in German the equivalent would be "werk" - we (in the German wikipedia) normally enter the main website of the reference-link there, but if do this in the English wikipedia the software is not content with me because it detects "external link" - how do i format this correctly? Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Gyanda, I don't understand the problem. References should be external links. Are you encountering problems in putting the external link inside <ref></ref> tags? Could you give us an example? --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gyanda: try |website=Der Spiegel, |website=spiegel.de or even |website=www.spiegel.de, instead of |website=https://www.spiegel.de. Some citation parameters take |work= too; depends on the source (journal, book, web, etc.). Stay well, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Rotideypoc - that's what i did... i didn't use the external link of for instance the George Eastman Museum =https://collections.eastman.org, but wrote instead "George Eastman Museum" - but i just don't understand: if there is a term "website", why you cannot enter the website then.. it doesn't make sense to me...--Gyanda (talk) 16:30, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

The place that the url goes is in the |url= parameter. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gyanda: in case you missed David Biddulph's reply. Stay well, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:24, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

It may be my fault that i don't understand you people? I know, where the url goes. I just don't understand why there is a tag for "website" when you cannot enter the main website there - thus: not the url but the main website as i mentioned in my example... the url is long and goes at the "url="-tag - but what to enter in the tag "website" then, if you cannot enter the simple website (not the url, just the main websiteaddress) there... that's what i don't unterstand. Why the tag "website" then at all? (I hope, it is understandable now?) - and thanks for your kind answers, David and Rotideypoc! Stay well! --Gyanda (talk) 20:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Gyanda, ah, I think I understand you now. Are you referring to the optional parameter "work", which may be substituted with "website"? It is there to give the name of the source, just as Rotideypoc41352 did. The link to the source is given in the url parameter. Again, the "work"/"website" parameter is optional. If you want to link to its Wikipedia article you can do so with [[ ]]. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 23:44, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Tenryuu, i didn't know that they are optional. That helps a lot to diminish my questionmarks :-). Thanks a lot! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 00:51, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gyanda: In reference to your original problem, I suspect it was because your |work= parm contained the https:// protocol prefix and/or surrounding brackets. Only *url parms should contain the protocol prefix, and no values should be wrapped in single brackets ([https://example.com]).

As to the later discussion, while |work= and |website= are technically optional (like most cite parms), a cite generally isn't complete without them. The goal is for the user to see enough info in the rendered citation to be able to find the cited material. Any links provided are just for convenience and will often go stale over time. For example:

{{Cite news |url=https://www.newspapers.com/clip/40852992 |title=Man convicted in $380,000 theft |last1=Rohrlich |first1=Ted |work=[[Los Angeles Times]] |date=March 19, 1985 |page=18 |volume=CIV |issue=6 |via=[[Newspapers.com]] }}

renders:

Rohrlich, Ted (March 19, 1985). "Man convicted in $380,000 theft". Los Angeles Times. Vol. CIV, no. 6. p. 18 – via Newspapers.com.

but isn't complete without the |work= (and related parms), especially since the URL is from an archive site, not the LA Times:

Rohrlich, Ted (March 19, 1985). "Man convicted in $380,000 theft".

If newspapers.com is unavailable, there's not enough info to be able to find the material.

Similarly,

{{Cite web |url=https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/03/coronavirus-grocery-stores-supply-chain-dreagers.html |title=My Family Owns a Grocery Store. The Supply Chain Is a Real Problem. |last1=Draeger |first1=Tori |date=March 29, 2020 |website=[[Slate (magazine)|Slate]]}}

renders:

Draeger, Tori (March 29, 2020). "My Family Owns a Grocery Store. The Supply Chain Is a Real Problem". Slate.

but is not complete for a reader that doesn't want to click on the link if you leave off the |website= parm:

Draeger, Tori (March 29, 2020). "My Family Owns a Grocery Store. The Supply Chain Is a Real Problem".

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:35, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hik AlanM1 - it really becomes an interesting matter. Would you say, this citation then is correct? * [[George Eastman Museum]],<ref>{{cite web |url=https://collections.eastman.org/search/Thomas%20Kellner |title=Eastman Museum: Thomas Kellner |website=George Eastman Museum |accessdate=2020-03-28}}</ref> Rochester, [[New York (state)|New York]], United States ? I entered the title of the website there. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 12:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Company Name Infringement

Dear HunMaster,

I have a registered trade mark in the name of 3EA which is being used by SBS Radios for redirecting to SBS Radios wikipedia page. I want to claim the page name 3EA and as we all legal rights to use 3EA as our business name.

Please sort this issue and let me access/right to edit page 3EA and remove its redirection to SBS Radios.

Thanks Shree — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.51.138.17 (talk) 07:00, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to address a particular user with this question, you should post on their user talk page. I can say that if "3EA" can plausibly be associated with more than one subject, a disambiguation page will be needed, or, if an article is ever created about your business, a disambiguation link at the top of the article. However, you should not write about your business yourself due to the conflict of interest. You will also need to comply with the paid editing policy(a Wikipedia Terms of Use requirement). 331dot (talk) 07:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

The name "3EA" has been used for the Special Broadcasting Service, and for the subject of no other Wikipedia article, as far as I can tell. Thus the redirect from 3EA to Special Broadcasting Service is appropriate, and should be retained. If someone creates a Wikipedia article about some other subject named "3EA", that redirect will be replaced by a disambiguation page. You already have the power to edit the redirect, but as you have a conflict of interest, you should not do so. Instead, you can make your suggestions on the redirect's talk page. Maproom (talk) 09:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Observation: discussion at User talk:3EA Limited. Feline Hymnic (talk) 10:03, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Based on an observation in the deletion discussion, I added more cited detail about the 2EA and 3EA stations in a new SBS Radio § History section, so the redirect is now definitely reasonable. Not sure how someone was able to trademark call letters that had been used. I would think that would be one of the obvious patterns and datasets that a trademark lawyer and agency would look for in researching prior use. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Would this topic be considered notable?

I recently joined Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red, I’ve been wanting to write about a notable Turkish women for some time now. I was thinking of writing about Nurcan Yurdakul, a Turkish historian who appears on television quite frequently. I was wondering if she’s notable enought to write about. Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez^(🗣) 11:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Rodrigo Valequez: The standard for notability is in-depth coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Are there at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically and primarily about Nurcan Yurdakul, but not affiliated with, nor dependent upon, nor connected to her nor anyone related or associated with her? If so, she's notable. If not, she's not notable at the moment. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply @Ian.thomson:. I’ve been on Wikipedia for nearly 3 years now but that’s the thing, I’ve never created an article. I’ve been cleaning up vandalism, correcting typos, and rephrasing. I don’t really know what a reliable source is. It would be great if you could take a moment to search Nurcan Yurdakul or Nurcan Özkaplan Yurdakul to let me now. Thanks! Rodrigo Valequez^(🗣) 12:15, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@Rodrigo Valequez: I have written a guide on how to create articles that should cover everything you need to know. It's part of a larger guide, which does have a section on identifying and finding sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:31, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

All right, thanks. Rodrigo Valequez^(🗣) 12:31, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Rodrigo Valequez. Mainstream Turkish media sources (TRT, Daily Sabah, Hurriyet, etc.) would be considered reliable secondary sources, as would major magazines and other newspapers and TV sources I haven't mentioned. However, a distinction needs to be made between what kind of coverage is notable. If Nurcan Yurdakul appears on TRT as an expert or is cited in an article in Daily Sabah, that probably wouldn't be considered significant coverage. However, if there is an in-depth interview in a newspaper about her, or a biographical book or news article about her (that isn't written by her, of course) then that would probably be more reliable as a source. I know it's kind of confusing, but do you get what I mean? Bkissin (talk) 16:06, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Follow-up to True story, please help -notability+have the company listed on wikipedia

Beside having time to this nobility I postponing it due to progressing courses at LinkedIn[become php developer and other]and due to reading the articles and memorizing they are very ambiguous but admiring younger pokerplayers having their own profile[particularly at german Wikipedia] motivates to do this nobility as recognizing it is great idea/course. Till now beside giving link to other articles how to write the article at Wikipedia looks like I need to do reading and researches by myself.

Much love:> Keeps the things together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocketmanplus (talk • contribs) 15:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Rocketmanplus, I don't we can help you here with what you're looking for

. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:06, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Company C, 6th Florida Infantry Regiment - Submission declined

Dear Sir (or Ma'am, as the case may be)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Company_C,_6th_Florida_Infantry_Regiment

Submission declined on 30 March 2020 by DGG (talk).

1. "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject."

I respectfully counter that the 15 sources from which the article was created are in fact "published" and "reliable".

2. "Comment: There is no reason to think that this particlar company of the regiment is notable. DGG ( talk ) 05:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)"

I respectfully respond that the comment is subjective. I have the honor to have had four "company" articles previously accepted; specifically,

I very greatly desire to understand how this particular company fo the regiment ("Company C, 6th Florida Infantry Regiment"), is any less notable, or its references any less acceptable, than was the case in each of the four previously published articles.

Very respectfully, Mathew "J" Sterman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joshua_Beschutzer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshua Beschutzer (talk • contribs) 12:42, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Joshua Beschutzer: Pinging DGG, who declined the submission. For future reference, it's probably best to discuss it at the article's talk page (Draft:Company C, 6th Florida Infantry Regiment) so it is preserved in a place that is easily found. You can notify other users of the discussion by starting it with {{Re|username}} (as I've done here). BTW, your signature is somewhat confusing. Please sign your messages on talk pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your message, like this:
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The four tildes will be automatically converted to a signature that contains your linked username and a timestamp, which helps keep conversations organized. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

The 15 sources may well be "published" and "reliable". That is not enough. They also need to be independent (not written be a member of the regiment) and to contain extensive discussion of the regiment. Maproom (talk) 13:59, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I shall examine the other articles, and, probably, list them for a discussion at AfD about whether they should be deleted. The community will make the decision. DGG ( talk ) 16:21, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

x Sulfurboy about "Mommy Doesn't Want" subject

Can you please review those four links and tell me if they are good references enough to change your mind ?

https://www.lastampa.it/vercelli/2016/08/30/news/sul-set-con-gianninicosi-ho-realizzatoil-mio-sogno-d-attrice-1.34827540

https://www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/bologna/spettacoli/foto/mamma-non-vuole-riprese-1.2449861

https://www.tgregione.it/mamma-non-vuole-da-viareggio-a-padova-riflettori-accesi-sullalienazione-parentale/

https://www.affaritaliani.it/culturaspettacoli/mamma-non-vuole-457356.html

Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LL19861 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft was at Draft:Mommy Doesn't Want but LL19861 deleted the content. To LL - Sulfurboy does not hang out here, so will not see your request. David notMD (talk) 02:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

User:LL19861 - You haven't submitted anything that can be reviewed. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Doctor's biography

Good morning. I am trying to publish an article about a doctor, however, it is getting declined. Can I speak with someone who can help me make the article look like a Wikipedia page? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Y.tahiri (talk • contribs) 16:07, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Y.tahiri. Are you the subject of the draft article? If so, please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. If you are not that person, please explain your relationship with that person. I also recommend that you read Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

These are not biographies, they are articles. There are no people to speak to. Messages can be left on peoples' Talk pages. The reviewer who rejected your draft Draft:Youssef Tahiri gave reasons why it was declined. You could try to format the draft similar to John Reinisch, the mentor of Tahiri, but Tahiri may not have been written about as extensively, making finding suitable citations difficult. David notMD (talk) 17:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia conventions

One of my edits was reverted with the following message: "it's a long-standing convention not to link continents or countries, esp in a FA." Is there a list of conventions or is this something one learns through experience? Thank you. DavidSteirman (talk) 17:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

You'll find advice at MOS:OVERLINK. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:07, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Very helpful. Thanks for your quick response. DavidSteirman (talk) 18:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Deleting Articles on Other Wiki Sites

How would one go about deleting articles on sites like the following:

http://en.wikibedia.ru/

http://deletionpedia.org/en/Main_Page

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.250.6.193 (talk) 18:00, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Those sites are not affiliated with Wikipedia, so you will need to ask at those sites about their deletion process. RudolfRed (talk) 18:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Editing Economy section for Peniche, Portugal - question about external links

Hello, I have tried to add to the Economy section of Peniche, Portugal a significant development for the municipality - that of SmartOcean - a marine science and technology park. The edits have been declined twice since the others say that I am trying to add inappropriate external links.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peniche,_Portugal

I have supported the second edit with links to two reliable Portuguese sites and only linked to the science park. The Peniche Municipality and the local university are behind this initiative as are two other public sector organizations in Portugal and it is supported by the Portuguese Ministry of the Sea. So it is not a private initiative, rather a public sector one. This is an important development for Peniche and Portugal as this is the first marine science and technology park in Portugal. Furthermore, I am not behind this initiative nor do I have any ownership in this initiative.

Can someone please explain what I have done wrong? Is there a way to add SmartOcean to the Peniche page? Or is this something that absolutely cannot be added?

Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penicheoceanwatch2020 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edits were appropriately reverted, for a number of reasons. First, we do not include links to external sites in the body of the article. Second, some of the text you added talked in a promotional way about what why new development would be good for the community. We don't add things like that because we are not here to promote any particular business or entity. Third, at the moment, this Ocean Park does not exist: it is just a plan. It might merit a single sentence in the article, with an appropriate reference, but as it is something in the future, we have no firm idea what it will ultimately be. The relevant policies are the links in the sentences above. Finally, if you are connected to the OCean Park enterprise, then please read WP:COI. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:51, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Crepidula convexa, wont let me post into my sandboz

please help, i am trying to upload information in to the sand box and i verify the changes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gianni Pimentel (talk • contribs) 20:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not sure what you are meaning to say, so I can not help you. I did notice that your wikisyntax was not correct. if you are in the visual editor, dont use ==Header==. instead, click on paragraph while highlighting the header, and select header. if you wish to use wikisyntax, Click the eye/visual editing, than click source editing. Cheers! Scaledish (Chances are I am wrong, sorry :blush:) (talk) 21:13, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Also answered at the Help Desk. Please don't ask the same question in multiple places, Gianni Pimentel: we like to keep the discussion in one place. --ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Gianni Pimentel. Likewise, I'm not quite sure what your actual problem is. The page on Crepidula convexa most definitely need improving, and you did exactly the right thing by first experimenting with and preparing new content at User:Gianni Pimentel/sandbox. You should next add citations to support the content there, as well as internal WIKILINKS between topics. Then you will be ready to copy that content over to a create a new section in the main article. The page on Crepidula convexa is not protected, so are you saying that you cannot edit or publish your changes to that page? As a start, you could try to better word the sentence which currently states: The minimum recorded depth for this species is 0 m; maximum recorded depth is 70 m. Good luck, and let us know in more detail where exactly you encounter problems in making changes. In future, please only seek assistance at one help forum - it wastes volunteer time if you repeat the question somewhere else. It's best to wait 24 hours before posting the same question somewhere else, as you did at the Help desk. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Nick Moyes (talk) 21:31, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

FWIW, Gianni Pimentel and Nick Moyes, the sentence accurately paraphrases the entry for this species in a large table in the cited source, but out of the context of that source and table does seem a little over-enigmatic. I've attempted to make it clearer. I wonder, Gianni, if you intend to add the same data to the articles (where existing) on the other 128 (I think) species listed? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.39 (talk) 20:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

the subject of collecting

My name is Sheila Mink, and I live in New Mexico.

In 2019, I began watching episodes of a TV show shown on the METV Channel. The show is "Collector's Call".

Having just watched an episode tonight, I wondered what the internet says about collecting. Thankfully, I found a Wikipedia article about the psychology of collecting, which I read.

My question is have any of your wonderful editors watched the show? If they have, I would be interested to see if they would have some additional insights to share on the page that I mentioned, or on the page about collecting.

I do think, that if the show is presenting collectors in a true way, that some of them are very interested in knowing that they might have the largest collection of the type of items that they collect, and that they look forward to hearing what value the appraiser on the show puts on the collection.

Thank you for your help in considering my question.

I hope that you are having a great weekend, or start to your week, whichever applies best to where you are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.197.126 (talk) 03:54, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor! Unfortunately, the Teahouse is for discussing questions you might have about editing Wikipedia. As such, your question seems out of scope here. Sorry! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:05, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. THanks for your suggestion. If you have a suggestion for improving an article, the best place to bring it up is on the talk page of that article, eg Talk:Psychology of collecting. But since Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia rather than any kind of social media, there's not really anywhere here for talking about things other than to improve our articles. --ColinFine (talk) 09:50, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I would also add that in any given month something like 100,000 different people carry out edits on Wikipedia, so it isn't really practical to seek individual opinions from them. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.39 (talk) 20:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Plastic legislation

Hello TeaHouse!

I am a new editor and I would like to have any suggestions for articles to add to/improve upon. I have a summary about plastic legislation and I would like to know if anyone had any ideas regarding this request.

MLJnotK — Preceding unsigned comment added by MLJnotK (talk • contribs) 02:03, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@MLJnotK: Hello and welcome to the teahouse. If you are looking for something to work on, you can take a look at the Wikipedia:Task Center, which includes a number of options for editors with varying degrees of experience. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 20:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Neutral Tone

Hi,

My page got just declined because it had a few wordings who were not neutral. I just reread it and changed a few of the sentences (as proposed by the reviewer), so it is more encyclopaedic. Can someone double-check if I can improve somewhere? The page I'm talking about: Draft:Rémy Bonny.

Thanks in advance! Evert --EB-lgbtq (talk) 23:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EB-lgbtq (talk • contribs) 23:15, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@EB-lgbtq: Hello and welcome to the teahouse. I see that it was reviewed a second time - please take a look at the reviewer's feedback, and ask them if they were unclear. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 20:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I can't tell if my article has been submitted - it still is labelled as a draft!

Hello!

I'm having some difficulty determining if a recent article I added is being reviewed for consideration. Is there any way I can check? How do I see that its being processed and/or it's been submitted? It's the Beyond Better Foods one :)

Thanks so much for any help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Articlegooroo (talk • contribs) 19:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Articlegooroo, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have not submitted Draft:Beyond Better Foods for review. I have added a header so that you can do so. --ColinFine (talk) 19:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)}

Once submitted to Articles for Creation it can be weeks to months before a reviewer decides to review a draft. The process is not a queue - reviewers look at the list and pick what they want. I removed two hyperlinks from the text, as an editor had called that out. David notMD (talk) 19:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine, got it! How would I have done it if you didn't do that? Appreciate the help! I understand that it takes some time - hopefully it goes up soon!

@Articlegooroo: The template you're looking for is {{AFC submission}}, please be sure to read the documentation before using it. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.)

--Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Article got declined

Hello,

I recently wrote a bio and history for an Entrepreneur and it got speedy deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marindthaqi (talk • contribs) 21:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Dalip Celbeqiri? Take the time to read WP:YFA, WP:BLP and Help:Referencing for beginners. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Marindthaqi. As an administrator, I could read your deleted draft about Dalip Celbeqiri. It was highly promotional and inappropriate for this encyclopedia. In addition to the links recommended above, please read about the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

What is the policy on using Wikipedia entries, both verbatim and summarized, for big public use?, i.e. a 1000-copy selling book

Hello. I was wondering what is Wikipedia's policy for using their entries in a big public use venue like a book. I have used dozens of Wikipedia entries in an approximately 150-page book that has been cleared for pre-publication by a publisher. I was wondering what your use and copyright authorization policy would be.{— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:b102:cbc7:3513:cbbf:e995:3914 (talk • contribs)

Hello IP editor! Copyrigh tis always a complex issue, but see WP:COPYRIGHTS. Most content on Wikipedia is licensed CC-BY-SA and can be reused, with the appropriate credit given. But check out the above linked page for more.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Every Wikipedia article comes with this disclaimer: WP:General_disclaimer. Setting aside the copyright issue, if you publish a WP article, then you should include that disclaimer. However, if you want your audience to consider you to be a reliable source, then you should verify anything from Wikipedia that you want to re-publish, e.g. by checking the citations, and satisfying yourself that the citation sources are themselves reliable. Fabrickator (talk) 01:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

requesting appeal of revision deletion

Please help me with requesting an appeal of a revision deletion (or alternatively, to at least send back my edits that were included in the deletion, along with the edit summary). This is the range of edits from 27 March 2020 to 29 March 2020.

The page affected is Talk:Trojan horse (computing). To me, it looks like someone just didn't like any opposing views to be presented, but at the very least, a lot of stuff that did not contain objectionable content was removed. Fabrickator (talk) 19:27, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: Hello and welcome to the teahouse. The content was revision deleted as "Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material" and can only be restored by an administrator. I suggest discussing it with @Cabayi, who revision deleted the content DannyS712 (talk) 20:52, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Possible (without seeing the removed content) that the other editors' additions were justly removed and yours got caught up in the melee. David notMD (talk) 23:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I took a look at the deleted material. I concur that at least some of the material was indeed offensive and needed to be deleted. And, unfortunately, it looks like it would be a fair bit of work to untangle (for example) your reasonable comments from the offensive material while still complying with the required attribution. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Reliability of Opinion pieces

Hi,

I am new to Wikipedia. I have been going through various policies and guidelines for sound editing such neutrality, notability etc. I understand that there is emphasis on reliable secondary sources as citations to backup the content. I had a doubt in this respect. Almost all reputed news publications carry opinion pieces which are typically biased in line with writer's point of view. How are these to be evaluated with respect to core Wikipedia principles required for admission?

Billybatson11 (talk) 10:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

This might give you a starter about editorial/op-ed pieces: WP:RSEDITORIAL. Feline Hymnic (talk) 11:05, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing this link. Is is possible for you to direct me some illustrative cases where discussion was held and consensus achieved regarding use and reliability of opinion pieces? What I understand is the attribution to Author inline is a safe practice. Although case to case evaluation is suggested. I would also like to know more about Human Interest Reporting which is not considered reliable.

Thanks Again

Billybatson11 (talk) 07:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

How to create Background colour for information box's heading/Title

Hello, I am creating and editing Wikipedia for a while but I still not able to figure out how to add background colour to the title of infobox. Ex. I created a article name India , how to add a color behind this Title. and one thing I also want to know their is any specific rule Wikipedia created to which type of article have which type of background colour for it's title. I mean their should be standard - all article's about counties must a specific background colour like pink or yellow. For a living person's article a specific colour like faint Blue. Please answer me. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kundan Ravindra Dhayade (talk • contribs) 08:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

PLEASE I NEED YOUR HELP!!!

Hello Great People here at Teahouse, am new here and totally open to learning alot from everyone with deep humility.... I wrote an article that was declined and i will like to improve on it and also learn to be better. Please kindly help me.......

This is my Draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dabo_Williams — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrCaretlVibes (talk • contribs) 05:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The declining comment reads: "This draft does not appear to indicate which of the musical notability criteria is satisfied. If at least one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page which criterion is met, and resubmit. This page appears to have been written to praise its subject rather than to describe the subject neutrally. Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view. If this draft is resubmitted without being reworked, it may be nominated for deletion." If you have further questions let me know. Thanks. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 05:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

DrCaretlVibes, if you're here to help improve Wikipedia, there are many things you could do which are much easier, and much more likely to be accepted, than trying to create a new article. For instance, read articles on subjects that interest you, and improve their spelling and grammar. Maproom (talk) 07:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I cleaned up the format of the ref without changing content or refs. I agree with the reviewer that it may be WP:TOOSOON for an article about Dabo Williams. But you can resubmit after removing praising wording and finding better refs. David notMD (talk) 09:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Dears...Help Me Enhancing my article so that it can be approved and published....but first stay safe and stay home...Praying for all the world...

Dear all, Hope you are good and healthy wherever you are...we are all in this together... after this tragic COVID-19 experience we all went through, we learned to appreciate the little thing we use to have in life, and mother earth is now healing...let keep our positive spirit and hope that it will end soon... can you please help me with my article so that it can be approved and published? what should i change and if there anything that is not acceptable as i am still very new on wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Princesse_Marissa/sandbox — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princesse Marissa (talk • contribs) 08:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The text of the article should be written in sentences. You need to cite the sources properly – please see Help:Referencing for beginners. The "See also" section should contain only links to other Wikipedia articles. Maproom (talk) 09:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

How to write category of a article below it's name ?

Hello sir, I am creating ,editing and using Wikipedia from couple of years. My question is how to categories a article when I created it. For your better understanding I want to explain you , When I serch about any article on Wikipedia's search box - the names of articles appears like this : Iron-Man (Marvel fictional character).

I want to know how I can do the same so if I created a article name of fictional character name - ' Popatlal' it have to appear in serch box's suggestion like this - Popatlal (Fictional character).

Please help. If you used simple English to explain it will be helpful. Because I'm not a native speaker. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kundan Ravindra Dhayade (talk • contribs) 08:37, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The information in ( ) is needed only when there is more than one person (or fictional character) by that name. For example, John Williams goes to one person but John Williams (actor) to another. Because your article Popatlal is to the only use of that name, no additional information within ( ) is needed. David notMD (talk) 09:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Categorisation of the biographical article about Helmut Kroiss

Hallo, my name is Irene Hager and I'm a new user at en.wikipedia. I created an article about an professor emeritus from TU Wien /Austria (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Kroiss). Its englisch translation is now to find under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hager_Irene. I am not firm enough to create the necessary cataogries by myself. Could anyone help me? Thanks and dear regards! Hager Irene (talk) 09:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Hager Irene! You have created that on your userpage, which is the wrong place (and you're far from the first newbie to do that). I suggest you create a Help:Userspace draft and copypaste what you have written to there, and when you think it's ready for mainspace, see Wikipedia:So_you_made_a_userspace_draft#Ready!. I can help with categories, but they should wait until the draft is in mainspace. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Unable to adding citations

Please help me out — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah (talk • contribs) 10:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Problem is at Draft:Ahlesunnat wal Jamaat David notMD (talk) 10:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah, there already exists an article on the Barelvi movement, which is linked to at Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 11:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Help

I cant edit as i feel like i cant edit well enough, any way i can get over this fear? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Homeofthething (talk • contribs) 03:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Homeofthething, start by making very simple edits which are clearly improvements. For example, I've just edited "The companies primary products" to "The company's primary products" in a draft article. Maproom (talk) 07:16, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

You can also create a Help:Userspace draft and practice there so you test what works. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Comic Books

I would like to create lists for several different publishers of comic books on every comic they have ever published in chronilogical order. I will probably start this project with Zenescope Comics and New Fun Comics. I do not know how to create a list and attach it to the publisher. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Svrangerchrista (talk • contribs) 00:17, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Svrangerchrista. Welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to help us improve Wikipedia. I am not entirely sure what you are intending, but in general lists of anything "ever published" are not appropriate (see WP:NOTEVERYTHING). In any case, I would caution you that creating a new article is one of the most difficult tasks in editing Wikipedia: not for technical reasons, but because Wikipedia has exacting standards for new articles. I'd like to suggest that you get involved with WikiProject Comics: somebody there may be able to advise you further, or you might find some activity already happening there that you want to participate in. --ColinFine (talk) 12:17, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

How to source code

Please can you tell me how to use the source code. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgeh2009 (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse,Georgeh2009. You've actually used Source Editor to post here. Do follow that link to find out more. You might like to take part in our interactive tour, The Wikipedia Adventure. The so-called 'wiki markup' used to make text bold or italicised can be found at WP:CHEATSHEET. It uses simple commands either side of the wird or phrase you want to modify. But if you look at the toolbar on the editor you're using, you'll see the basic formatting, linking and heading options clearly offered as buttons or drop-downs. Use these after highlighting the relevant word or phrase Does that help? Nick Moyes (talk) 13:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Porn attached to my bio

How do I get rid of porn attached to link on my wiki bio? Any suggestions?

Paul Giambarba — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18E:C380:3330:C04A:D657:623E:D192 (talk) 13:37, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

You seem to have succeeded with this [14] edit, well done. I can't tell if it was vandalism or a webpage that changed content, but we are well rid of it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Can anyone help with my article?

Hi there! My article Paytm First Games was earlier getting declined while reviewing but it's been on after I submitted it for review again after the suggested changes.

Can anyone help me out with my article and how to get a speedy review? Much thanks in advance!Alisha9891 (talk) 12:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Sadly, there is always a backlog of thousands of drafts to review. It's not a queue - reviewers pick what they want to review from the list. While most drafts are reviewed within weeks, some are on the wait list for months. David notMD (talk) 14:00, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Article review

Hey, could someone help me re-view my article. It has been days since i submitted it. I'm new and dont understand why it got declined. I have made changes as per the guideslines given. Sumayya.fayyaz (talk) 11:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:David Noble (academic) has been declined twice, with each reviewer provided detailed comments on what needs to be remedied. If you can edit the draft to address the comments, you are free to submit it again. Be aware that there is always a backlog of drafts to review, so the wait can be days to (sadly) months. David notMD (talk) 13:55, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sumayya.fayyaz. I haven't looked through all the references in Draft:David Noble (I gave up after about 4), but I have not found a single one that is both substantially about Noble, and independent of him. I think you have fallen into the common mistake of thinking that more weak sources can make up for the lack of good ones: they can't. Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything said by Noble himself, or his associates, institutions, or companies, about him. It is only interested in what people have no connection with him have chosen to publish about him, (and been published by reputable publishers). If you can find two or three of such sources, then you should base most of the article on them. If you can't, then he does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for Notability, and you should give up. Please see WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 13:56, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thankyou for explaining. Sumayya.fayyaz (talk) 14:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Trigonometric Functions article

I was editing the article Trigonometric functions and added the Exsecant and Exsecant and coexsecant Excosecant. Then somebody deleted my true added information, referring to the WikiPedia article on Exsecant and coexsecant. Why did this happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eshaan11 (talk • contribs) 14:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Eshaan11: If you don't understand why you were reverted, you should bring this up at the talk page of the article in question. This is partly my fault for not leaving a very detailed edit summary with my revert, but I'd be happy to explain in more detail there. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:46, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for inviting me!

Thank you so much for inviting me to the tea page! I am really excited to be a "editor" on wikipedia.

Currently I don't really have any questions, but there is one thing. Why is the page called the tea page?

Thanks! Shadowblade08 (talk) 13:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome Shadowblade08! See [15]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:04, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Do you know the answer to why its called the tea page? Sorry, the link didn't work for me.

Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

It should. I quote:

"The name Teahouse is meant to evoke the idea of a comfortable social space for meaningful personal interaction among peers. The name Teahouse is also a nod to the English Wikipedia essay a nice cup of tea and a sit down, which urges editors to acknowledge one another's good points, and is often used to nudge people towards being congenial when things get heated.

The idea of a cafe-like space for new editors is not unknown on Wikipedia. For example, the Portuguese Wikipedia has Café dos novatos."

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

New here

Hello. I am a new user here. I created an account last month but cannot recall the password for it for the life of me. The old account was not linked to an email address, so I cannot recover or change the password, apparently. Read this guide which suggested that I create a new account and redirect the old one to this one. Can somebody help me with it? Also, I never made any pages or edits from the old account - got busy and left it. NawJee (talk) 16:02, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

NawJee, You can just do it in a sentence, or add {{Former account|new account name}} to the talk page of the previous account.

This isn't required though, and nobody is likely to be looking at the old account if it hasn't edited, and there is no requirement to identify previous accounts. Users are entitled to a Wikipedia:Clean start - unless your previous account has been blocked, or you are attempting to evade scrutiny in any other way, which if you haven't edited, you are unlikely to be doing. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 17:00, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

If you are particularly keen to retain your former user name, please see WP:USURP.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Alex Noble, thanks for the response. So, I can simply let it be if it isn't particularly required? I think I'll just do that.

Hi Shantavira, thanks for the response. No, not really. I am cool with this one, too. NawJee (talk) 15:17, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

How the draft Draft:Shah Ismail Ghazi can be taken to Mainspace

Courtesy link: Draft:Shah Ismail Ghazi

How the draft "Draft:Shah Ismail Ghazi" can be taken to Mainspace — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghoraghatalpha (talk • contribs) 15:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ghoraghatalpha: Welcome to the Teahouse. Looking over at the article it seems that it has already been submitted for review. A reviewer will review it when they get to it as there is a severe backlog in submitted drafts. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I would like to help the backlog

Hi there

How can I help clear the backlog of articles that need approving? I would like to support the Wikipedia cause and learn how to help to approve submissions for Wikipedia or investigate vandalism Is there anyone I can learn from or a process to follow so that I can help the other team members? Thanks Ukdatageek (talk) 11:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Ukdatageek! Start with Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Reviewers and Wikipedia:Vandalism. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

There are two review processes: !) Articles for creation, and 2) New pages patrol. Criteria for consideration for either requires being a Wikipedia editor for at least 90 days and having done more than 500 uncontested edits to existing articles. David notMD (talk) 13:46, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome aboard. You ask about helping with articles for approval. But I also note that you, as a new editor, have just suffered the rejection of a draft article (Draft:8D Audio) for approval. It is important to compartmentalise these two; do not allow your wish to get your article approved influence your wish to be an approver of articles. On the positive side you have expressed an interest in investigating vandalism; I see from your brief edit history that you have already started on this. This is good; congratulations. As "David notMD" posted above, let me recommend Wikipedia:Vandalism. Welcome, again. Feline Hymnic (talk) 14:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much everyone, I really appreciate the time taken to share the information, look forward to contributing to Wikipedia Ukdatageek (talk) 15:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

How to create a new title?

How to create a new title? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldrin Orlanes Politico (talk • contribs) 15:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Aldrin Orlanes Politico, are you wanting to move an existing article to a new title, or to create a new article? ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 15:35, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I made a citation, but got a warning.

Disregard

– OP blocked. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi,

I made a citation in the page for which citation was needed, why i had been given a warning for blocking my account?

Please share your opipion about my citation.

Best,

Kapil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cakapilpahwa (talk • contribs) 14:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

You've been given a warning because almost all your edits are to add linkspam. If you think that's not a fair description of what you've been doing, you should discuss it with Ohnoitsjamie, who issued the warning. Maproom (talk) 15:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiProjects

I wish to join a WikiProject but don't know how

@Homeofthething: Welcome to the Teahouse. WikiProjects usually have pages or sections for users to add their name as a participant, but that's merely a formality; you don't need to put your name down to follow the project and edit anything that strikes your fancy. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

(Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.)

multiple names for subjects

Hi, I've just created a page for Margaret Nisbet, an infamous forger in 18th-century Scotland. She went by several names: Margaret Nisbet (maiden name), Margaret MacLeod (married name) and was known in most of the ballads written about her as Mrs M'Leod. How do I amend the page to show these various names, and how do I ensure that if someone searches for 'Mrs M'Leod' that they're likely to find this page? ThanksUnable11 (talk) 04:48, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Unable11. The general principle in such cases is that the article should be given the title that is most commonly used in the reliable sources that discuss the the topic seriously. Please read Wikipedia:Article titles for a more detailed explanation. You can create redirects for the alternate names. Anyone who types those into the search box will end up at the right article if you do that. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

For interest, the forms MacLeod, M^acLeod, McLeod, M^cLeod and MʿLeod (where the "ʿ" is a "turned comma" – I've used an Arabic symbol to approximate it here) were originally just alternative ways of writing the same spoken name, which (as you probably know) meant "son of Leod". Different writers, or even the same writer at different times, would use any one of them according to personal choice, and no difference in pronunciation was implied. (The same applies to all Scottish surnames of similar form, of course.)

Individuals and families only began to prefer one alternative over another after the introduction and use of printing began to favour fixed spellings, but the process was slow and the same individuals might be written of, or themselves use, more than one of them into the 20th century. For example, the (pseudonymous) Scottish science fiction writer J. T. McIntosh was bylined as J.T. MʿIntosh on several of his earlier works.

When working in Scotland (mostly as as a bookseller) in the 1970s and '80s, I found that the normal business practice both for shelving books and filing customer records was to treat Mac/Mc/Mʿ as identical, and as a 27th letter falling between L and M. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.39 (talk) 15:50, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Quick question.

Hi, this is me again. I read the page on "sandbox", but i'm still not sure what the sandbox is for. Could you give me some advice?

Thanks.

Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Shadowblade08, the Sandbox is there for you to test things like templates or making article drafts. If you're creating drafts you may also use the Draft namespace (prefix the article name with Draft:). Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Specifically, your Sandbox is where you can practice stuff, like making references. David notMD (talk) 16:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Needs to be neutralized and explain what positions are actually public offices / political offices and not just administrative positions at schools.

can someone explain what neutralized means here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phwikimaker12 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Phwikimaker12, I assume it refers to wp:neutral point of view; I'd recommend reading that page, as it is one of our core policies. There is a short explanation at the top of the page. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 15:34, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The comment was about your declined draft Draft:Marlon Lim, and yes, calling for neutral point of view. Of greater concern to me is that so much of the draft is basically this person's resume - every job they have held. Most of the content has no references. David notMD (talk) 16:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I am trying to create a Wikipedia page

I am trying to create a wikipedia page for the first time could you guide me upon as to how I need to do it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harbingervishal (talk • contribs) 16:41, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Harbingervishal, start with reading Help:Your first article carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

New article

After how long am I gonna start my article ,to be public too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLilTrapper (talk • contribs) 16:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@TheLilTrapper: Welcome to the Teahouse. As a new user I'd suggest reading up on WP:YFA to get an idea of what the article creation process is like. I recommend writing up a draft and sending it in for review so that experienced editors can check and see if it's appropriate for being in the main articlespace. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.)

--Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

You have a draft Draft:GalaxyGang that has not been submitted for review, the identical content in your Sandbox and on your User page. I suggest clearing the Sandbox, as it is a duplicate, and clearing your User page, as that is not a place to work on articles. Your draft, it submitted, would be declined, as is has little information and no references. David notMD (talk) 17:02, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Given the group has just started in the music biz in 2019, unlikely they meet Wikipedia's idea of notability (remember, this is an encyclopedia, not social media). David notMD (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Change title of "COBE architects" to "Cobe"

Hello,

I am a new user on Wikipedia. I am the PR and social media manager of Cobe, formerly known as COBE architects, and I want to change the name of the article of the company. However, it seems like I am unable to do so. Is this because I am a new user and have not developed my Wikiepedia credibility yet? Or is there a way?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBE_Architects

Best, Jaspar, Cobe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasparbang (talk • contribs) 17:34, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Jasparbang, Have a read of Wikipedia:Official names - we use the name most commonly used in other English Sources. If this has changed to the new name I'd advise you open a requested move discussion. The instructions for doing this are at WP:RM#CM - place the template provided on Talk:COBE Architects.

Also, please read and follow wp:conflict of interest - there are some additional practices for editors with conflicts of interests. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 17:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Credit for uploaded photos

Hello,

I have tried to upload and use photos for the site "COBE architects", but the pictures were taken down as I have not documented the rights to use them. However, the photos are taken by our company's photographer, Rasmus Hjortshøj, and we own the rights to use the photos. How can I provide evidence enough to use the photos?

Best, Jaspar

Jasparbang. Firstly, are you sure you want to license the images to be used here. In terms of copyright, as Wikipedia can be used for any purpose with attribution, the same conditions will also apply to your images.

To show that you have permission to upload and license the images, please follow the procedure at Commons:Project:OTRS, to email us proof of this; we then store the permission, and tag the image with confirmation of permission.

Thanks,

~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 17:48, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Uploading

How to upload image that is on mobile phone not on Desktop? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mybelline (talk • contribs) 07:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I understand your situation. Visit the site Wikimedia(commons)-Upload. From there you will be guided in uploading pictures. After that head back to Wikipedia and use the link which begins 'File:' which was given to you at the end of the upload process. This will automatically convert that text into your required image. To get to the text entry stage click the picture icon in the insert menu or header bar. Also see the information page Uplaoding Images. --Cavan.hill (talk) 19:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Rockabilly Highway & Rockabilly way wikipedia page creation

I want to build a page about the history of Rockabilly Highway and Rockabilly way in Tennessee and Mississippi. It is Highway 45 from Jackson TN to Tupelo MS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.15.176.251 (talk) 19:00, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your question, please see the following article: Help:Your_first_article It is a help page dedicated to helping first time article creators on their journey to creating a successful article. --Cavan.hill (talk) 19:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Note that it is mentioned at Selmer, Tennessee#Major highways, and there are already substantial articles like U.S. Route 45 in Tennessee, where a section on the subject might be more appropriate than a standalone article, depending on how much material you can assemble from reliable sources. You might also want to discuss it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:55, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

How to post the details about a new topic

I wanted to add description and details of a movie.

Kindly guide me how to add the details and what are requirements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beren Calp (talk • contribs) 19:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Can I ask what the movie is and if it is already on Wikipedia? --Cavan.hill (talk) 19:34, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Beren Calp Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The movie must meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable film, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources(not just brief mentions). Be advised that successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It's good to spend time editing existing articles first, so you understand how Wikipedia operates. However, if you still wish to attempt to create an article about this movie, you should first use the new user tutorial, then read Your First Aritcle- then go to Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor. 331dot (talk) 20:06, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Someone includes relevant info but sort of unsourced, what to do?

Hello, I have the Harran page on my observation list and an IP includes good info, but absolutely not in a wikipedian way. The IP cites a book I can't find in the internet, only on Academia, and also within the text[like (Çarşı Hamamı: Önal, 2019a)] and it also doesn't answer to my request that it please would cite correctly. The IP does cite him in References, the ref tag is named "Notes". What to do? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:52, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle: If the citations appear to go to a legitimate source and the information appears to be valid, you should keep it in the article. Offline sources are permitted per WP:OFFLINE. After that, it's just a matter of formatting. Wikipedia permits variation in citation styles (see WP:CITEVAR) but prefers consistency within an article, so you'll want to turn them into normal references. You can do that by going through and re-entering the information the IP included using the standard "insert citation" button. Sdkb (talk) 22:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Well Harran is an Archaeologic site, the source is about Archaeology, and he added this in the section Archaeology. I leave the text there, adapt the source as you said and later look if I can find something about the written text in English sources. To me, problem solved.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle: I have a strong feeling the reason for the odd citations was because the IP copy pasted/plagiarised the whole thing from another source (normally academic articles have short form inline cites, with a bibliography at the end). The wordings "see fig 1" that direct you to a non existant example of something and "The publication of these inscriptions is the main purpose of this article." in that diff you posted also look very suspicious. You may have to rewrite the whole bit. Curdle (talk) 20:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Well it turnes out that the IP has created an account, he seems to be an archaeologist and excavator in Turkey, or at least a better one than some of others here on wikipedia are, and I and others hope he adds significant info to the archaeology section. Let's hope. Doug Weller has invited him to the wiki project archaeology.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Machine-readable data tables...

I have an idea for wiki editors interested in medicine. We need to make our tables (and even the natural language data) machine readable. Recently I started a blood test coding project with Voiceflow so that I could hear my Echo sort blood panel data for me. My initial instinct was to use my own data, so I worked up a machine-readable sheet based on that. When I was done, I realized I could be more comprehensive by using the reference ranges from the reference ranges for blood test wiki page. Not unexpectedly, the data was all there, but not in a format that can be read and processed for voice interface by a machine.

This kind of formatting is really simple as I'm sure many of you know. And it would be a big help to Voice Interface designers to have preformatted data tables laid out so that they don't have to format them themselves. My suggestion is that we lobby with Wikipedia to implement a policy that all medical data tables be formatted for machine reading. If that worked well, that policy could carry over to all wiki tables in general, giving our AIs greater depth of access to the information existing on Wikipedia. I would also suggest machine-readable formatting guidelines for any of the natural language data, but it helps to start small with the data tables and see if that works well.

Does anyone out there think this is a worthwhile suggestion?

-Burt Pauling- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burt Pauling (talk • contribs) 21:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Burt Pauling, we already have machine readable data. Either as json, as Lua data tables or as Tabular Data. All are accessible using Lua scripting language, and the Lua language can output that as HTML. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

(ec) @Burt Pauling: I'd suggest one of the Village Pumps, like maybe WP:VPM, might be the place to discuss it. In general, both wikitext and the rendered HTML tables in articles should be machine-readable, which I'm sure you know, so I think you're probably looking for some more tagging, or maybe Wikidata is a solution. Some more concrete examples would probably help. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:51, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Burt Pauling. You asked the identical question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine. That seems a better place to ask about medical matters than here. Also, in future, would you mind only asking a question in one place at a time please, as it tends to waste volunteer effort and dilute discussion if different people answer the same question in separate places. We normally advise waiting 24hrs before trying a different forum. I'm not sure I even fully understand your question, but TheDJ appears to have given a useful answer (but I didn't understand that, either!). As this is a help forum for new editors, it's rather too technical for me, I fear. If no success at WikiProject Medicine, you could wait and then ask at WP:VPT. Thanks for your interest in improving Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:51, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Question about the posters of certain Star Trek films

@David Fuchs:

Hello. Let me preface by saying this is not an attack on anyone. I'm asking because I'm confused. I asked David Fuchs on their talk page what their reasoning was for having only the art of the posters for the following films: Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, and Star Trek Generations.

This is what David told me: "Theatrical posters can vary drastically from location to location, whereas the poster art (at least for the Trek films) was and is the most common element across multiple regions, as well as home media; it's arguably the strongest piece of material to serve the non-free content criteria fair use rationales of "aiding identification". You can't actually read any of the credits and rarely even taglines on a poster block when shrunk to the size allowed by NFCC, so I don't know why those would be prioritized. {{Infobox film}} isn't itself a policy or guideline."

To me personally, this would make sense if every other film article did this, but I don't know any other film articles that follow this practice. All movie articles I have seen have their original theatrical posters with titles, credits, etc. (besides some with DVD covers, screenshots, or absolutely nothing).

Anyhow, particular standard I just don't know about? I'm pretty confused about this. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 20:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure there was a long discussion somewhere about this. Jaws (film) and The Godfather show the credits on the poster art. Their fair use rationale is on the image pages. This one is quite clear [[16]]. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

speedy deletion of RBK International.

Hello Respected Team,

I am Owner of RBK International based in Karachi pakistan. Wanted to add company like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shan_Foods I was creating the page details when i submitted there was message like speedy deletion. Could you please help me how to add my company details. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RBK International (talk • contribs) 22:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

RBK International Please see your user talk page for important information about your username, conflict of interest, and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 22:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Changing an incorrect picture on a Wikipedia page

Hello -- how do I go about changing a picture on a page for Charlton Young -- he's an assistant basketball coach at Florida State. The picture on his page is of one of our other assistants. I have a new picture ready to send.

Chuck Walsh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuck Walsh (talk • contribs) 22:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Chuck Walsh Hello. If the picture in the article is incorrect, you may post on the article talk page requesting that it be removed, even if you don't have a picture ready yet. Picture uploading is complicated as you have to have the rights to the picture and release it under an appropriate licence. You should review conflict of interest and paid editing as you have some required disclosures to make. 331dot (talk) 22:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Chuck Walsh I removed the photo. Message me on my talk page when you have a new photo and I'll replace the incorrectly named and captioned photo [[17]] on Charlton Young. The complicated part is that whoever took the photo has to email it with the text from this page giving Wikipedia permission to use it. Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries Don't let the legalese throw you off - this is pretty standard stuff to protect Wikipedia from copyright infringement claims. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

making me move during his corona virus?

My lease ended March 31st, I was asked to leave by May 1st. The problem is this corona virus, I have COPD and emphysema and I am self Quarantined. I have alot of shortness of breath and I do not want to be exposed to anyone carrying the virus If I get it my chances of dying are high. Alot of rental places are not showing apartments at a time like this. The ones I seen online, a lot of renters are not calling or texting back. I am taking a chance and exposing myself to the virus? I don't want a eviction notice on my records, and I don't want to die trying to do the right thing? I was told to stay home!!!. Please help me decide what I should do. Thank you, DDD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14D:200:9950:9041:6A68:8E98:CAAF (talk) 22:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I am sorry for your situation, but this is not the proper forum to ask. You should perhaps seek legal or medical assistance in your jurisdiction. We cannot give you medical or legal advice here. 331dot (talk) 22:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

And just to be clear, that extends to all of Wikipedia. We are a source of knowledge, not advice. To offer medical or legal advice isn't ethical and in most places, is actually illegal. That is strictly the domain of licensed professionals. John from Idegon (talk) 23:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Advice on editing new draft James Haworth - Duplicate article?

Hi, I am wondering if the entities name needs to be changed to 'James Haworth (musician)' as the article 'James Haworth' already exists.
(The existing article is about a politician)
My new draft is: Draft:James Haworth
Any help is much appreciated and any comments on the page as whole is welcomed. --Cavan.hill (talk) 14:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Cavan.hill, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, if your draft gets accepted, it will have to be moved to a distinct name. But I suggest you don't worry about that: when a reviewer accepts your draft, they will be moving it to mainspace, so they can move it to a suitable name. Far more pressing is concerning yourself with sources and notability: what Wikipedia needs is places where people who have no connection with Haworth have chosen to write at some length about him, and been published somewhere with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. Please have a look at WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 15:02, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, the article has just been declined and I am struggling to find notable sources of information. My question is, do existing sources such as the artists website or Google knowledge panels etc count as notables sources for the article on Wikipedia? Thanks very much as I'm trying to understand what types of references are deemed good. --Cavan.hill (talk) 15:07, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Cavan.hill that is a good question. No. Google knowledge panels are just a snazzier search-result (often but not always WP-based), and artists website is not helpful for notability either. See WP:GNG, WP:BASIC and WP:NARTIST. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Page recently declined due to lack of notable references.

Hi, I recently found a page I had been editing had been submitted by another use and has now been declined. I'm determined to continue editing the page and yet some admins just love to decline new pages. See the page for yourself at Draft:James Haworth
Can someone offer advice before I re-submit the page with better references? Thanks --Cavan.hill (talk) 19:16, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Merged the above comment into this section. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Cavan.hill, welcome to the Teahouse. Have you taken a look at some of the links Robert McClenon posted in the comments? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 21:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Restored deleted section. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 23:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Citation tool

Any recommendations for a tool to organize and format citations, for use in content creation types of editing tasks? This gives a list, but no advice: Help:Citation_tools#Tools. Thanks.LaTeeDa (talk) 18:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I usually just place a bare url inside the ref tags, then run Wikipedia:Citation expander, which automatically expands the ref. (You do need to enable it in your preferences.) When that fails I use reFill. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:38, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

LaTeeDa, I use the Visual Editor. It automatically converts just about any url, and can accept an ISBN and other identifiers. Very easy, for what used to be one of the more challenging task for new editors. S Philbrick (Talk) 23:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Like S Philbrick, I also use Visual Editor. If you opt for this interface, just click the Cite button in the editing panel (or Ctrl+Shift+K). I particularly like this when citing web sources. Just paste the URL in the Automatic tab and it will generate all the details. You need to do a little bit more when using books or journals but this tool can really make things easy for you. Regards. Darwin Naz (talk) 23:37, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Please can someone help me check what is wrong with this article:Draft:Kabir_Tukur_Ibrahim

I have gone over reading on citations and footnotes. I did reference (using a news channel, newspaper and also his personal website for his history) most of what I had on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kabir_Tukur_Ibrahim , but it had been declined twice. Although, its under review, I really want to understand where I got it wrong. Because I compared the referencing to another of his mate (in the nigerian house of representative), and they look alike. So, please what really looks wrong with the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KemitSen (talk • contribs) 04:48, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Sulfurboy, the declining reviewer. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Most of the references are weak - minimal mentions of his name. Possible the same applies to the articles about other government representatives? David notMD (talk) 13:31, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: I pinged the reviewer because the reason given was the method and format of the citations, with which I don't see a problem. WP:NPOLITICIAN presumes notability for the National Assembly representative. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:55, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I took the Declined reason given to also mean that swathes of text have no citations. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

So can I ask what would make the article acceptable? In over half of the reference, the way he features, almost as if he weren't there, the reference wouldn't be complete. Anyway, thanks for the note — Preceding unsigned comment added by KemitSen (talk • contribs) 22:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

I would suggest to improve the article according to Bkissin’s comment in your draft that you need to make it less promotional. You can do this by refraining from using adjectives that express your view as author. For instance, you described him as strong advocate for youth involvement (and without attribution to a third party source). Just state the facts without adding your own observations.

Also, make it less like a narrative. Consider this sentence: “His journey as a Nigerian legislator, however, began in 2019 when he was elected by his constituency to represent them at the Federal House of Representatives in February 2019.” Just say: “He began his political career when he was elected to Nigeria’s Federal House of Representatives in February 2019.” These simple changes to the tone can really make a difference. Good luck. Darwin Naz (talk) 23:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

What should I do if I believe a user to be COI-related in their edits?

Hi - I noticed this edit to the Kimono page in my watchlist today. On first appearance, and forgive me if I'm way off the mark, it seems COI-related to me. You'd expect maybe a title of "Impact of kimono in Western art", or at the very least for the section to cover more than one artist.

I don't know if I'm out of line here. I know there are possibly more well-known artists who have used kimono as inspiration, such as Claude Monet. But I also know that it's possible for editors to add sections that aren't fleshed out until later.

Nonetheless, the more I look through the user's contributions, the more exclusively they seem to deal with this one artist, Karen LaMonte. They've also bounced around various art pages adding information about her and a handful of other artists. I don't think I'm in the wrong for this edit to wave some red flags to me, but I'd also appreciate some other opinions. Thank you! --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 22:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Good eye, Ineffablebookkeeper! I agree 100% for what that's worth. I've left a a paid editing enquiry template on their talk. Please monitor the user's talk for a reply, and if you get pushback, make a report at WP:COIN outlining your concerns. Feel free to come back here if you need help with that. Thanks for your diligence. John from Idegon (talk) 23:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ineffablebookkeeper: I see you reverted their edit, which was the right thing to do. If they keep adding it back, bring it to the COIN noticeboard as suggested by John from Idegon. Posting at COIN draws the attention of administrators, who can take action, and also other editors, who can help with reverts and cleanup. it also encourages a discussion of what the editor is trying to do, and whether it is within policy.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:06, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

User:GBGB333 added Karen Lamonte content and images to more than a dozen articles as diverse as Cumulus cloud and Robot. Most now reverted or deleted. David notMD (talk) 00:45, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

link to wiktionary

Courtesy link: Paean

I wanted to make a word (stout) into a link to wictionary, but with this (please see the source code of my contribution) [[18]] the word disappeared. How is it done correctly? Steue (talk) 15:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Steue, welcome to the Teahouse. I can't see where in the source code you added a link to Wiktionary. Did you use [[wiktionary:Stout]]? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

No, Tenryuu 🐲. If you click at "[ edit source ]" beside "link to wiktionary" you should see what I tried.
Steue (talk) 16:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm assuming you're referring to editing the article Stout. I can't find any mention of Wiktionary in the article, and the diffs don't appear to add a link to that site either. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:28, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, the link you provided leads to a bad page as it apparently contained the "|" character. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

No, Tenryuu 🐲, I wanted to do this in the article "Paean" where the word "stout" is used.

Steue (talk) 16:39, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Steue, if you want to link the word "stout" to its entry in Wiktionary, use [[wiktionary:Stout|Stout]]; this creates the link text "Stout" without the prefix. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:44, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu 🐲 I tried it, except with small "s", because the article's title is with a small "s", but when I tried my new link I got the message that the page does not exist although I have seen the article "stout".
Steue (talk) 17:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Steue, I'm not sure what you're doing, but have a look at the source code in my sandbox. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Tenryuu 🐲. I have seen that it functions in your sandbox and in the article too, now, thanks to your change. I wrote the same, but I tested my link before I saved my work. I suppose that this was the reason.

Steue (talk) 01:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

About wikipedia reference/source

Please about the source/reference , what make it reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zincage1 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Zincage1, welcome to the Teahouse. Please read this page for more information on reliable sources. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:18, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

How to create a company profile

Hello, how can i create a company profile after i have edited a page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Absolute2153 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Absolute2153, welcome to the Teahouse. If you're looking to create a new page about a company I suggest you start a draft; WP:YFA has more information. I will caution you in that as an encyclopedia we do not host company profiles but articles on subjects. If reliable independent sources mention negative things about the company there's a good chance it will be posted on here. If you are affiliated with the company you must declare that you have a conflict of interest and if you are being paid by them.

(Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

First draft

Hi, teahouse!

Thanks for inviting me to this platform, I am a new Editor and I have published my first editing but still, it is in the draft. so can you please review my article and please make me now if you get anything, wrong into that. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edit4Well (talk • contribs) 06:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit4Well, welcome to Wikipedia. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do here, and is not recommended for a new editor. If you really want to create a new article, you should pick a subject that is notable, meaning that you have found several reliable independent sources that discuss the subject in depth. Then you should base your article on what those sources say. Your sandbox draft cites four sources, but none of them discuss the subject, and it seems that some of them don't even mention her. Maproom (talk) 10:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Trying to find images of anime film posters to add to an article?

I've seen articles with (promotional) images from/for anime but I'm afraid of copyright infringement and all of it feels complicated to me, how can I use images of anime movie posters in an article? I apologize for the dumb question

KoichiSupNoodle (talk) 19:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)KoichiSupNoodle

Please read Wikipedia:Uploading_images and visit Wikimedia - Commons --Cavan.hill (talk) 19:55, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

KoichiSupNoodle, the policy regarding such images is the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria - as the images aren't freely licensed we can only use them in certain circumstances.

There are 10 criteria at WP:NFCCP that the image will have to meet.

Film posters will usually be permitted, but you should fill in the {{Non-free use rationale poster}} on the file information page. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 11:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Also note that non free images are only held here, and should not be uploaded at Commons. Use the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard here. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 11:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Developing article from redirect page

Dear Teahouse host. This concerns some problem I encountered with redirects and resuscitating an article that had undergone a "blank-and-redirect". I happened to look at the list of Viscounts on the article Viscount Dillon, clicked on the 6th Viscount, and found that this did not open the article for the 6th Viscount as I would have expected but brought me back to the top of the article Viscount Dillon via a redirect page called "Thomas Dillon, 6th Viscount Dillon" that pointed back to the general "Viscount Dillon" article from where I had come. One might call this a "circular redirect". There are other such circular redirects in this list, the 10th Viscount Dillon is such a case. I then looked at the history of the redirect page "Thomas Dillon, 6th Viscount Dillon" and found that it was created as the article stub Lucas Dillon, 6th Viscount Dillon by User:Aatomic1 in 2007, then blanked and made a redirect by User:Tryde in 2009. User Tryde does not seem to be in business any more and I do not know why he decided to go for a blank-and-redirect. I have tried to contact Aatomic1 without success. Blank-and-redirect seems to be an accepted technique in Wikipedia. I decided to bring back Aatomic1's stub (1307 bytes). I blanked the redirect, pasted Aatomic1's stub over it, and added some detail and references, bringing it to 14,823 bytes in several edits. Perhaps this Thomas Dillon is not really notable, but I thought that was not my problem as Aatomic1's stub had been accepted at the time. However, then I discovered that when I click on the Talk tab of the article "Lucas Dillon, 6th Viscount Dillon", I get to the talk page of Viscount Dillon and when I then click on the Article tab on this talk page, I get the article Viscount Dillon. So there is still something surviving from the time when the article Thomas Dillon, 6th Viscount Dillon was a redirect pointing to the Viscount Dillon article. How can I fix this? Or, what else should I have done? With many thanks, Johannes Schade (talk) 09:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Johannes Schade, I've fixed the talk page by getting rid of the redirect. You should be able to go to the talk page now. The reason this happened is because a template editor, @Rich Farmbrough:, had changed it to redirect before the article had been created, as there was no point in the talk page because there was no article for it. I have also added a WikiProject, but am, like you confused why the article was even linked before if it linked to the same article you were on. Hope this helps. — Yours, Bᴇʀʀᴇʟʏ • ^Talk∕_Contribs 10:36, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

It was linked most likely because it was a valid stub at one time. It's a tricky thing to know what to do when a linked article becomes a redirect back to the source article. Ideally we would like a redlink if it's a potential article, and unlink if it's not. We can do the latter, but not the former, perhaps the Mediawiki software should red-link colour self-links of this nature. All the best: Rich Farmbrough (the apparently calm and reasonable) 11:17, 1 April 2020 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough: @Berrely: Thank you very much: no problem any more with the talk page of "Lucas Dillon, 6th Viscount Dillon" (sorry, I was confused and wrote Thomas instead of Lucas). My problem was among others that I had not known that I could access the talk page by "Talk:Lucas, 6th Viscount Dillon". Thanks you so very much you are fantastic! Johannes Schade (talk) 12:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

How to submit draft article for review

hi, teahouse! Please guide me on how to submit a draft article for review? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edit4Well (talk • contribs) 14:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit4Well Hello. If you are referring to Draft:Ddevjani Mitra, you successfully submitted it and it is awaiting review. As noted, this could take some time, so you need to be patient. 331dot (talk) 15:11, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

COX one month free

Disregard

– Not a question for Wikipedia. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:34, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I just called COX since I am and have been a member for many years and they said that ALL users are not eligible for 1 month free WIFI only new COX users. I listen to the Governor every day and heard her say that 2 months free for new low income and 1 month free to COX users. Why am I not eligible since my grand children have to use WIFI for their school learning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muriel Cote (talk • contribs) 13:36, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Muriel Cote This page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia, and is not a general question asking forum. You should ask your ISP about any issues you have with your internet service and its billing, or consult your local authorities that issued those regulations. 331dot (talk) 14:02, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Tagging for COI and notability questions

Hi Teahouse! I am learning the notability guidelines and also checking some new pages. I have come across the article Kent-P (now draftified) and I wanted to see if the subject was notable. There doesn't seem to be significant coverage of this person (most search results are for other people named Kent P), however, he is the CEO of a company that has had a Wikipedia article since 2015, Kora Entertainment. I know that notability isn't inherited, but since I'm unsure and not very experienced with the notability guidelines, I've decided to not tag it for notability issues. Looking into Kora Entertainment, I don't know if this company is notable either, as I'm only seeing the company's own social media and other yellow-pages style sites covering them. Of course, this article being close to 5 years old, I assume that I'm mistaken and it is notable, as it would've been tagged by another Wikipedian otherwise, although I don't understand the reason. However, since this page (and Kent-P) seem to be created by Kent-P himself (or at least the user claims to be Kent-P), I've tagged both with a COI warning. In this case I'm pretty sure this was the correct thing to do, but let me know if it's not. GoodCrossing (talk) 16:18, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, GoodCrossing. Thank you for looking at this. Please do not assume that just because an article has been around for five years, that somebody has reviewed it: we have millions of articles, and a significant proportion of them shouldn't be here. When I find an article that I am dubious about whether the subject is notable, I either add {{notability}} to it, or if I feel like spending the time, look for sources (see WP:BEFORE) and either add them or send it to WP:AFD. (I use Twinkle to do this, either way). If you tag it, not much happens, but it appears there on the article - and if the article is being maintained by people with a COI, they tend to get upset and draw attention to it, so somebody takes a better look at it. If you nominate for deletion, the worst that can happen is that your nomination is defeated, and that generally means that somebody has added sources to it, so a good outcome for everybody. (OK, sometimes somebody who has a vested interest in the article will be nasty to you, but really, that's their problem, not yours). --ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh, and {{coi}} is another tag you can add, which tends to sting actual undeclared COI contributors. (Make sure they haven't owned up before adding that one) --ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I did tag both pages with that tag you mentioned, and I will continue to look for sources and possibly submit the article at AfD if I don't find enough. I just wanted to be cautious as I am not experienced with this sort of thing and I considered that since about 3-4 editors had contributed to the article, it would've been nominated if it hadn't been notable. However, as I said, I'll look into it and if I think the article doesn't meet WP:N I'll submit it at AfD. GoodCrossing (talk) 16:45, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Help improve and publish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mission_Control_Texas

Hi! I prepared a draft for an article and now I need help to improve and publish it. As I am active mostly on the german Wikipedia, I sure made mistakes. Thank you for improving and publishing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mission_Control_Texas ! KAMfakten (talk) 11:36, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@KAMfakten: Hello and welcome to the teahouse. I see that it has since been accepted by @Robert McClenon, so the article is now at Mission Control Texas. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 20:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I tried to help a bit, hope I succeeded. Cellodont (talk) 20:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to all of you! KAMfakten (talk) 17:14, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Article versus "page"?

Hello All,

Thank you for welcoming me into the community! I've been wanting to contribute my knowledge of classical/baroque music to Wikipedia for awhile (there are some surprising holes!) and have decided to give it a try. My question is about the difference between an article versus a "page", which is a term I have seen. As a new editor, I understand that an article can be very difficult to get up and running, so is there a "page" option that is it a little more lightweight? Thank you for your time. (I'm also wondering about this "signed" option. Is there a reason why a comment like this should be signed or unsigned?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbtyne (talk • contribs) 17:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kbtyne. A "page" is a general word which includes articles, and other things such as talk pages, user pages, and project pages like this one. The only kind of page which is a part of the main encyclopaedia is an article - and, as you say, it is hard to write. I always advise new editors not to try the difficult task of creating a new article before they have spent a few weeks, or months, learning by improving existing articles. (There is also the point that, given that we have six million articles already, a new one is often of less overall value to Wikipedia than improving some of the worst of the six million we already have!).

As for signing: I can easily reply to you here, and ping you (so that you get notified of my reply) becauase a bot has added your signature. Sometimes the bot fails, and I have to go looking in the history of this page to find the username who contributed a comment, before I can ping them in reply. --ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) A "page" means a page in the html sense. Pages in Wikipedia include articles, drafts, talk pages, user pages, user sandboxes and other user subpages, templates, guidelines, and other things such as the Teahouse. There is no "page" option which is like an article but without the notability requirements. There are "stubs", which are articles which have little content and need to be expanded or deleted. Please don't deliberately create a stub, that would not be an improvement to Wikipedia. (I see that you have supplied a needed reference to Jean-Féry Rebel. That is an excellent way to improve Wikipedia. I hope you will make many more such edits – in that way you will gain the experience needed to create a new article.)

You ought to sign every contribution to a talk page, and to pages such as this one, as they are intended for discussion. You ought not to sign contributions to articles, or to drafts. Maproom (talk) 17:42, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Everything I have written in my Sandbox is gone!!!

I have been saving material for days in my Sandbox, so that I eventually could write an article! And now all is gone!! It seems like someone called Creffett have deleted it! When I tried to contest the nomination for speedy deletion by visiting the page suggested, I just end up at my empty sandbox. As far as I understand you are able to write and experiment how much you want in your own sandbox, so I don't understand why anyone would go there and delete it?!? Specially without any prior discussion! If I had published the article, it would be another thing but it was far from ready for publication. I'm new here and I feel trample on and unwelcome at Wikipedia by this incident. How can I get the information back? Zzophia (talk) 11:12, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Zzophia, as the material was copyright infringing, we can't host it in any way, as we would be violating copyright law by doing so.

Although users have a fair amount of freedom to do what they want in sandboxes, copyright law overrides this.

An admin may be willing to email you the contents of the sandbox - you could ask the deleting admin, or ask at wp:refund. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 11:18, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

How to possibly avoid this problem

Zzophia, I feel your pain. Wikipedia reviewers and the likes tend to lean towards the negative before they give you a chance. I am guessing it is a power trip of some sort, even if unintentional. As to your issue, another person I know who has created several articles in Wikipedia told me they draft their articles in Notepad++, then when it is ready they toss it into their sandbox. If you did something similar, you may be able to avoid any copyright issues, which should increase your chances of actually helping this beast called wikipedia. RobertJTurner (talk) 11:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Alex Noble, :RobertJTurner, thanks to both of you. I had copied sources, made them into block quotes and made a correct source description of each one, to remember where the original information was from so not to get confused I would write the article. It was a work in progress and of course I was not going to publish it that way, that's why it was still unpublished in my Sandbox. If someone had talked to me about it prior to deleting, I could easily have made changes accordingly to what's acceptable for Wikipedia and moved the unacceptable parts somewhere outside WP. Deleting someone's Sandbox without a discussion and a chance to make amendments seems destructive instead of helpful and inclusive. I don't understand how to contact :Creffett so Ill try to see if wp:refund can help me get the Sandbox back.Zzophia (talk) 12:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

RobertJTurner: I am guessing it is a power trip of some sort ouch, that was uncalled for.

Zzophia: I saw your message on my talk page but I will reply here. First, I am not the deleting administrator, I only nominated it for deletion (I am not an admin, so I can neither delete pages nor retrieve deleted pages) - the actual deleting administrator was Moneytrees. Second, while your sandbox is indeed "your space," it is still subject to some of Wikipedia's bigger policies, and one of those is the copyright policy. As far as I could tell, the entire sandbox was copied from a variety of other websites. That's copyright violation, and is not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia - not only is it against Wikipedia policy, but it actually can expose Wikipedia to legal action. That is why there is a speedy deletion criterion for unambiguous copyright violation: it is very bad and we want it gone as soon as possible. You can contact Moneytrees to request a copy of the deleted article, but I can't guarantee that they will give it to you. creffett (talk) 12:52, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] Zzophia, Wikipedia is a large and complicated entity, so it's entirely understandable that newer users like yourself don't initially grasp all of its requirements – even long-time users aren't familiar with every aspect of them. We say that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit (i.e. they are allowed to do so), but we don't claim that it's easy.

Everyone makes mistakes, especially at the outset, but making mistakes and having them corrected by more experienced editors is one of the important ways of learning Wikipedia's procedures. No-one minds innocent mistakes, and although the correction procedures may sometimes seem abrupt because they often use pre-set responses (bear in mind we're dealing with over 100,000 separate editors every month), they're not intended to be discouraging.

That said, you have misunderstood an important point regarding international law. You say above "It [the material in your sandbox] was a work in progress and of course I was not going to publish it that way", but even material in your sandbox here is published. It isn't indexed by internet web crawlers, and it won't be found by entering search terms in Wikipedia's internal search engine, but it is accessible to anyone who wants to see it or who visits your sandbox without even knowing it's there; this legally constitutes being published. Therefore, where such material clearly constitutes a copyright infringement which lays both yourself and Wikipedia open to prosecution, it has to be removed as quickly as possible, or in our terminology be "speedily deleted." The reasons for doing this to your sandbox material were explained to you on your Talk page.

There are many people and organisations that would like to shut down Wikipedia, and if we do not show due diligence in detecting and removing copyrighted material used without permission as expeditously as possible, they might well have legal ammunition to bring a court case in which you and Wikipedia would have to defend a theft of other peoples' Intellectual Property.

The way to avoid such problems in future is to:

(a) learn the legally acceptable limits (and Wikipedia's interpretation of them) of quoting copyright materials;

(b) learning how to paraphrase copyrighted sources so as not to breach their copyright; and

(c) work on text offline until it is acceptably non-plagiaristic, as RobertJTurner has suggested above.

I urge you to persist in learning the ropes on the good ship Wikipedia. Creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks on the entire project (I've been active here over 15 years and have never attempted it), but studying the policies, procedures and advice pages that creffett has linked in their welcome message on your talk page, prior practice in making lesser edits on existing articles, and accepting correction of your mistakes as part of the Bold, Revert, Discuss protocol, should lead to your being able to do so successfully. I hope this has been helpful. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.39 (talk) 13:34, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Comment. The word "publish" is ambiguous. Most people regard content in Wikipedia as not published until it is available in an article, and therefore visited by search engines (including the rather feeble one that Wikipedia itself provides). But in the eyes of the law, content is published when it is put in a sandbox, as it is then visible to the world. That is why the legal department of Wikipedia insisted on renaming the edit "Save" button to "Publish", at the cost of confusing thousands of users. Maproom (talk) 21:54, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:GS-Calc

I added an article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:GS-Calc and it was declined by Sulfurboy (which was ok - my fault as I skipped the "references" section in the draft entirely). I did all what I was asked to do: I added 3 references and external links to reviews (which many, if not all, software titles in this category proudly list as "references"). This was 30% of the previous contents.

Now, this guy Sahrudayan re-reviewed and declined my draft. He wrote a note that I actually changed nothing and that he had a problem with the program being proprietary software. It's hard to believe this is some official Wikipedia policy.(?)

On his page he describes himself as "open technologies (software) passionate". I know, this isn't necessarily a "conflict of interest", still shouldn't the review be verified rather by a good plain "software passionate" instead? Then I read something more about (the quality of) his submissions/edits and unfortunately I have even more doubts.

I'd appreciate any opinions and/or suggestions how to proceed and/or change (or, well, give it up). Thanks User:jerryp.c5 —Preceding undated comment added 18:30, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, jerryp.c5. I'm afraid that you misunderstand what is going on. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. Its articles are neutrally written summaries of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject. The three references you have added are mere mentions of the product. You need to find several (at least two, and preferably three) places where people who have no connection with the software (except possibly as end-users) have chosen - without prompting by Citadel5 - to write at length about the software, and been published in reliable places (and note that that excludes anything that comes from Citadel5, such as interviews or press releases). Unless you can find and cite such sources, then the software will fail the test for notability, and no article on it will be accepted.

Further, your current draft is nothing like an encyclopaedia article, and reads more like a How-to guide: that is explicitly not one of the functions of Wikipedia. It shoud be a neutrally-written summary of what the independent sources say. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the company says about its product.

You have also misunderstood Sahrudayan's comments. First, with respect to Wikipedia's non-negotiable policy about notability, very little has changed since the previous time you submitted it. Secondly, you're focussing on their side comment about it being a proprietary tool, and ignoring the important bit: "it fails to meet WP's guidelines for general notability and NPOV as of now." Thirdly, it is not necessarily to be an expert on a subject in order to review a draft (in fact, it can sometimes be a problem, if the reviewer misses the fact that the draft is not comprehensible to a general reader): all that is required is for the reviewer to check the sources, verify that they are reliable and that the article summarises in an accurate and neutral way what the sources say. Since you have provided no substantial sources so far, it is impossible to do this, and no reviewer would have accepted the draft. --ColinFine (talk) 19:18, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. Thanks. That clarifies this and that. Yes, I understand and agree, this is how it should be... Still not sure about the NPOV style. I was hoping to add some technically refreshing info to this hugely outdated category and obviously didn't make it without leaving that "how-to" impression. Is it save to assume that for future references I can based my re-worked draft on the constructions of other existing notable pages in this category, e.g.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligra_Sheets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ability_Office
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyOffice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligra_Sheets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeoOffice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPS_Office (1?...)
If not, then my (as a Wikipedia end-user/reader) guess would be that more than half of listings in this category require serious review and/or "notabilitation". And I mean this one very popular software category let alone other ones. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerryp.c5 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Some of those articles are under-referenced crap and should be nominated for deletion. Your draft has only three refs, all tacked onto the last sentence, and just naming examples of users of the software, hence declined. David notMD (talk) 22:01, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Help for Draft Page.

Sorry for the trivial question but I'm new to the world of wikipedia, but I should switch a page from Draft to public, what can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anuarsalhi (talk • contribs) 17:07, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Anuarsalhi, and welcome to the Teahouse. The general answer is that you submit it for review, by pasting {{subst:submit}} at the top. But if you are talking about Draft:Katio Landi, then I'm afraid you are in the wrong place. Articles in Italian need to be submitted to Italian Wikipedia, which is a quite separate project from English Wikipedia. As far as I know there is no way to transfer a page from one to the other, so you'll need to copy the source and paste it into a page on it-wiki (and you may find that any templates you are using are not present, or have different names). Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine for the reply, I will translate it first for english wikipedia!

Hi again, Anuarsalhi. I see you have submitted it for review. This may be quite quick, or it may take a long time; but I am confident that, if you do not improve the referencing, it will be declined. Please read WP:NSPORT, WP:BLP and WP:REFB. The draft will not be accepted unless it cites at least two or three places where people who have no connection to Landi or any of his clubs have chosen to write at some length about him, and been published by reliable publishers. --ColinFine (talk) 18:55, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi again ColinFine, thank you very much for your help. I published 10 external links of newspapers and sports sites that published articles on Landi. they're not enough?

External links are not references, Anuarsalhi. Please read the 3 guidelines named by ColinFine once more, with scrutiny.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:31, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes ColinFine I read, I think I exchanged references with external links, do you think that with those external likes put in references the page can already be accepted?

Need Help Showing Sources Are Actually Reliable

Was reading articles about small satellites, such as those used by planet.com, and found myself reading about a guy who was not listed in wikipedia. So I created a page on him citing the Smithsonian Institute, local newspaper articles, and various news articles (not specifically press releases, but real news articles), and was told I did not have enough reliable sources. So, as a newbie contributor, I added more sources. I am being told i still do not have reliable sources and now I am being told i am bombing the page with sources. Reviewers, you cannot have it both ways. The article has solid sources currently, and just about every sentence in the article is taken directly from the sources. I do not know how to make it more clear. Please help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:W._David_Thompson

Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertJTurner (talk • contribs) 09:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

RobertJTurner Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As you were told in the draft by reviewers, most of the sources you have added either are press releases, which are not independent sources, or barely mention the subject. Wikipedia requires significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Press releases are not independent because they are put out by the subject or those related to it and just republished. Brief mentions are not sufficient to establish that this person meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. The sources must have chosen on their own to write about Mr. Thompson in depth, not just tell something he did or confirm his existence. I hope this helps you, if you haven't already, please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft shortened by half, removing PR refs, etc. Other than #2 (Smithsonian) can you identify or add at least two that are about Thompson, at some length? Ref quality trumps quantity. David notMD (talk) 10:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. Since I posted my question, someone (David notMD), perhaps you, trimmed my references. Of the ten (10) references remaining, one (1) is a press release issued through BizJournals.com. I would gladly remove it, then all of the remaining articles will be from independent journalists or organizations. This person is a notable person because of his impact on satellite design and manufacturing, hence he was recognized by The Smithsonian Institution (one of the citations points to this). He was also recognized by Ernst & Young for two separate awards, where he was a finalist for the E&Y Entrepreneur of the Year. But let's go back to the way he impacted satellite design and manufacturing. Before him, satellites were built in parts at physically separate locations, which made for higher costs and lower efficiency. He created a company called Spectrum Astro, which changed the entire way satellites were made, by building the satellites in one location, which allowed for easier testing, lower costs, and higher efficiency. Several years after he sold his company, it was sold as part of a deal for $9.2 BILLION ... which is also quite notable. The guy started his company with $5k and some credit cards in 1988, and around 30 years later it is being sold to one of the largest US defense contractors for billions of dollars. If this does not meet Wikipedia's criteria, then Wikipedia's criteria should be adjusted. RobertJTurner (talk) 11:02, 1 April 2020

It's not what he did. Rather, what can be verified from independent sources. My deletions were good-faith intentions to remove clutter. I suggest you try to add a few more refs that are at-length about Thompson, and then resubmit. David notMD (talk) 11:07, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

RobertJTurner (edit conflict) I'm wondering what has motivated you to write about this person and things related to them. If you work for Mr. Thompson or the company, you would need to declare any conflict of interest or paid status that you have. It sounds to me from looking at the draft that the company might be more notable than the founder, as most of the things you cite have to do with the company. As noted by David, we don't doubt what Mr. Thompson has accomplished, but others unaffiliated with him need to have written about it in depth. 331dot (talk) 11:11, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Another editor has already moved details on the Spectrum creation story to the Spectrum article. I will not make this change, but in my opinion the Diversified section is useless, as it has nothing about Thompson. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

David notMD & 331dot, fsck this. I do not know the guy, or the company. Even mentioned this in my talk page. After writing about this I did make a point to drive by the building, now owned by Northrop Grumman and doing some amazing things in satellite development. But if you and all the other reviewers are going to make it this difficult to help grow the content and quality of wikipedia, then it is not worth it. Enjoy your power. ttfn RobertJTurner (talk) 11:19, 1 April 2020

RobertJTurner I'm sorry that you feel I am interested only in "power", when nothing is further from the truth. I want to help, but Wikipedia is not for any and all information. There are certain standards that we have in order to maintain the quality of this project. 331dot (talk) 11:49, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

331dot, yeah, sure thing, kinda like your telling me where my motives lay. I am not sorry for how you feel about this. I understand your statement, "Wikipedia is not for any and all information," but making a cute statement does not change facts. (see what i just did there?) Feel free to delete the article, burn it, toss it, I am over it. I just put several days of my personal time into it, and for naught. I'll go get the s'mores. And to W. David T., wherever you are, be sure to append a -wikipedia.org to all your google queries. ;) RobertJTurner (talk) 12:15, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

RobertJTurner If you change your mind, your denial of COI on your Talk page is sufficient. Asking about COI is standard here when any new editor starts writing about only one topic. My hour+ of effort this morning was to improve a draft of an article I think would be a worthy addition if a few more reliable sources can be added. A problem is that there is more about Spectrum Astro than about the founder. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

RobertJTurner, having red your draft, it is apparent to me that you may not have read many Wikipedia biography articles, particularly biographies of individuals who have founded tech companies. Such articles have a narrative flow and include certain details which your draft lacks. I take away from reading your draft a sense that you have collated a series of business press announcements and tried to make it an article. If the sources you are able to find do not go into more depth, then no article is possible. If an article on a European prime minister or an American governor had such limited sourcing, then no article would be possible for those subjects, either.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

requesting to get volunteer for creating a page

i want to create a page on my father please guide how to that as due to COI i cannot do that.please provide me the volunteers for creating a page on my father — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alekh99 (talk • contribs) 07:10, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

People are advised but not prohibited from creating an article if they have a COI. You have declared your COI on your User page: an intent to write about your father. The situation here is that you created Draft:Suresh Sharma (activist) and it has been declined three times for lack of meeting Wikipedia's definition of notability. You also want to add mention of your father into Neolamarckia cadamba, where an extensive discussion on the Talk page reached a consensus that this information is not warranted. David notMD (talk) 09:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD i have done what Wikipedia ask initially when you start an article creation ,wiki ask is the person for whom you are creating article or page is related to you then clear if yes add about your relationship with on your user page .so i did it honestly ,believe me it does not matter for me to be on Wikipedia or not,i just tried for my father ,for his work for the environment. i completely agree with your notability issue, as he has not been given any award for his work till now, but also a significant coverage will not make any difference, that i understand now and this is the reason i have added deletion to the Draft: Suresh Sharma(activist). Also help me in deleting a talk page "granted stay " one discussion on Neolamarckia Cadamba.Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alekh99 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

/* Journalism, literature and writing */ Michael Durack, 1974 author of The Illegal from Holland and Conversations With a Deaf Cat

How do I add a notable alumni into the article on University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC)?

Mdd427 (talk) 11:05, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

If you look at List of University of Illinois at Chicago people, every person on the list already has a Wikipedia article about them. So, article first, then list. The article may be impossible, as though Durack has published a few books, a Google search found no useful content about him that could be a citation for said article. David notMD (talk) 11:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Page Deleted

Disregard

– OP blocked. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 12:05, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Bradeyland

My page for the You tuber Bradeyland was deleted! I was not trying to promote or get pople to subscribe I just wanted to inform people! Please restore it as I worked very hard! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.134.188.229 (talk) 18:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that Wikipedia is not for merely providing information. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about a subject that meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability(in this case, the definition of a notable person). There are no edits to such a draft associated with the IP address you posted under, so I cannot look at your draft to tell you exactly what was wrong with it(I assume you posted while logged out). 331dot (talk) 18:23, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Did you create it on another account? I'm not finding anything similar in this IP's contributions. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@331dot and Tenryuu: some cursory research suggests that the account in question is Bradey8. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 19:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

and Bradeya888, apparently. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 19:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Moaz786, thanks for the detective work. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Bradey8: @Bradeya888: Your draft hasn't been deleted, but it is being nominated for speedy deletion as it seems like you're attempting to promote this Youtuber (who seems to share a similar username with you). You may also want to look at WP:COI as writing articles about yourself is strongly discouraged. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Bradeya888 again as that was incorrectly done. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Kwonjungho

Hello!

I have recently drafted an article that has sadly been declined. Many of the sources are from the artist's website - however, each page contains an external piece of literature written about the artist by external curators/art historians. Even though they are on the artist's site - they are not the artist's own words. Many of the texts have been translated from Korean to English so they can be accessed by an English audience. Does this class as a reliable reference? See example below:

http://www.kwonjungho.com/~critics_list_en/view?p=3&article_id=1673

Thank you ever so much for your advice and guidance.

All the best

FayeHamblettJ (talk) 12:26, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

The advice by the reviewer is to reduce the number of references, as many are not accepted by Wikipedia (Wikipedia articles, artist's own website, Youtube, interviews, etc.) If there is content on the artist's website that was created by independent sources - curators/historians - then use the original sources as references rather than the artist. References to content in Korean is acceptable, although it will help reviewers if there are some good references in English. Lastly, reference format needs to be improved, as should not be just http David notMD (talk) 12:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@FayeHamblettJ: I.e., please see WP:EASYREFBEGIN for how to do references. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 12:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Want to know

Imofficial18 (talk) 14:07, 2 April 2020 (UTC) Dear Wikipedia Team, How are you i hope you doing great well can you please tell me where our team mistake to create a page about Imran Manzoor

Draft content

Teacher career He was to the Govt Teacher Destination PST/PTC/JV in 2012 Govt High School Block No.13 Township

Cricket career Imran Manzoor is a Pakistani Cricket Player who has been a member of the Pakistan Cricket Team since August 2018.

Entrepreneur career Imran Manzoor is founder of Digitecho (Digital Technology) Imran Manzoor as known as Mani is also an author of Thriveglobal. Kivodaily Fandom MuckRack e27 He is often invited as a speaker to share his views by reputed organisations, leading institutions & academia in Pakistan and overseas.

He actively leverages the power of Media Relations & Social Media , Developer to meet his company’s business objectives ranging from brand building, market positioning to business development. He has successfully increased efficiencies, reduced costs and boosted profitability of his business through network mobilization. Over 80% of his business comes from his strategic use of social media and media relations.

He believes that building online presence through organic initiatives brings more effective and sustainable business advantages rather than a digital marketing driven push strategy.

Imran's clientele ranges from SMEs to some of the top corporations in Pakistan. His strength lies in his ability to successfully position CEOs as thought leaders & online brand ambassadors of their respective businesses. He has been working closely many top web developer

References Govt TeacherPakistani Cricket Player

Thriveglobal

Fandom

Muckrack

e27

Kivodaily

@Imofficial18: Welcome to the Teahouse. I don't see any contributions from your account aside from posting here. If you would like to start an article about Imran Nazoor, please read WP:YFA thoroughly first and start a draft using the Article Wizard. I will say that what you have is blatantly promotional and would not be accepted on here. If you are connected to Nazoor please declare a conflict of interest on your user page and on the draft's talk page. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:25, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing on Android?

Does anybody have a recommendation for an Android app or something that they use to edit wiki? My browser and the native Wikipedia app are pretty buggy for me, and I don't get great performance on them. Anyone has anything lol? I'llbeyourbeach (talk) 14:17, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I'llbeyourbeach and welcome to the Teahouse. I edit variously on a tiny iPhone 5, an old Android tablet, and one a Windows PC. I've never felt the need to use any app for editing on a mobile device here, although I nearly always set them to display in 'desktop view' (there's a switchable link to 'mobile view' at the very bottom of every page.) I have installed Chrome on my Android, and tend to alternate between it and the default browser, but rarely encounter many problems. If you really feel the need to edit via an app (which will probably restrict certain actions, over editing directly in a browser), see List of Wikipedia mobile applications. I'm sorry I can't offer any actual recommendations for you, though. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:32, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@I'llbeyourbeach: Cullen328 has an essay about smartphone editing. I think it could be a bit more concise, but it contains more useful information than all other pages on the topic (such as Wikipedia:Editing_on_mobile_devices) combined. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

my first article show as draft

hello dear friends, recently i write my first article Draft:Mohsen_Esmaeili_(1966) but it published as Draft. How can it change to a normal article that is searchable? please help

Mrdaniela 14:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrdaniela (talk • contribs)

Mrdaniela I'm afraid that this article is not ready to be published in main space. It reads like a CV, and would be quickly declined if it were to be put through the AfC process, and probably deleted if it were published in main space. Have you read our notability guidelines at NBIO? Your article needs to have sourcing that establishes the subject's notability, and it should be written in neutral, objective prose, based on reliably published, independent and secondary sources. At the moment it just has a somewhat promotional introduction, and a list of achievements/professional experience, more suited to LinkedIn. Take a look at FIRST, and also (if you know this subject), COI and PAID. Best GirthSummit _(blether) 15:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Mrdaniela. To add to the above, once you have revised the draft, you may submit it by copy-pasting the magic code {{subst:submit}} (including the brackets) at the top of the article.

The major issue (before the problem that CVs are not OK on Wikipedia) is that we only have articles about "notable" topics, which means the page must contain references that are simultaneously (1) from a reliable source (such as a major national newspaper), (2) independent of the subject (press releases, interviews do not count), and (3) deal with the subject at length. See WP:GNG for details.

In your draft, all references are in Persian; that is allowed, and not unexpected for the subject at hand, but it means most editors on the English Wikipedia (myself included) cannot read them and are not familiar with them (for instance, I cannot cite any Iranian newspaper), so it is harder for us to evaluate whether they prove "notability". For instance, ref #3 is to the BBC (a reliable news source); however, a machine-translation of the page seems to speak about a film by Mitra Mansouri about an earthquake in Bam, Iran, and makes no mention of Mohsen Esmaeili (even under a different transliteration). That might be a link error from your part, but it makes me doubt that the other references are any good.

I would encourage you to pick the best three sources that you think show the notability of that person, and include in the reference a specific quote and its English translation, to help the reviewer's work.

In my (uninformed) opinion, a chairman of the Iran Airports Company has a good chance of being notable, but you will need to find sources that demonstrate it. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

How do I do this?

Hi, I've been awarded the "Original Barnstar" award from Halla6464, and i've seen that other people have a place on there talk page where they say stuff like "my tokens" (or something to that affect) So I was just wondering how I could do that, and I figured that one of you guys out there could help me. Thanks!Shadowblade08 (talk) 23:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shadowblade08: Welcome to Wikipedia. Check out Wikipedia:Barnstars for the list of barnstars along with the instuctions for how to give one. RudolfRed (talk) 00:06, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Shadowblade08, generally people create a separate page for their Barnstars; using you as an example it may look something like User:Shadowblade08/Barnstars. If you like, you can create a new page at that link I just made. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:28, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Shadowblade08 Frankly, I am puzzled by the action by Holla6464. First, to date, you have >50 edits, but no edits to any articles. Second, Holla6464 is a new account, and the only action has been to award you that Barnstar with "Thanks for all your hard work on Wikipedia!" David notMD (talk) 01:56, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Agreeded, I'm not exactly sure what motivated holla6464 to give me the barnstar, but holla6464 did, and i'm thankful.

Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:31, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shadowblade08: Talk pages (i.e., User talk:Shadowblade08) are simply places for other editors to post messages to you and for you to reply to them; they really should have little else on them (see WP:TPO). Some people put more stuff there, and some put other stuff on their user pages (i.e., User:Shadowblade08), sometimes with quite technical and intricate wiki markup, but hopefully in accordance with WP:UP. Remember that the purpose of all of it is to facilitate work and improvement on encyclopedic content (articles) – it's not really a place for general social-media type communication and activity. Also, none of this decorative stuff is necessary to editing articles – it's just some nice stuff to play with occasionally once you get some technical expertise under your belt. You may find that other editors, with their own schedules and tasks that they want to accomplish here, may be reluctant to help out with this sort of thing (there never seems to be enough time in the day/month/year/life). I hope this makes sense – it's 0545 here and I need to sleep. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 12:48, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

One other question from Shadowblade08

Hi, thanks for the help everyone. Another quick question, how can you create something at the top of the page, like on some peoples user talk page, they give info, and stuff like that. All I have is a post, saying "Welcome, could you..." and then the stuff like sign with four tildes, and stuff like that. On the teahouse, you have the thing that says

" Welcome to the teahouse

A friendly place where you can ask questions

and get help with using and editing wikipedia"

How do I make that thing at the top of the page? Thanks.

Shadowblade08 (talk) 18:52, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Shadowblade08, as a beginner, I recommend just choosing one of the templates from the list at Template:User talk pages. If you like the notices in another user's talk page, and you can figure out a way to do it, you could simply copy the code from there, paste it in your userspace and modify it as needed. As you grow more accustomed to how the wiki works, you should become able to write your own talk page headers. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much. My only other question, is how do I make it stay at the top? Its just like another post, that anyone could do. Is there a answer to that as well? I have know idea of what happened here, but this is it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shadowblade08#Welcome!

Could you take a look at it, and tell me what to do? Thanks again, cause i'm really stuck.

Shadowblade08 (talk) 23:24, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Shadowblade08, I've taken the liberty of moving the template up to the top of your page. Let me know if you were thinking of something else. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:29, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Nope, thats just what I wanted. Thanks!

Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

New User Queston

Can a bio be inserted about person (Councilman at the City of Glenarden) Please offer written direction for inserting information that is a local municipality Councilman.City of Glenarden (talk) 15:27, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

City of Glenarden, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are associated with the subject, we strongly discourage editing the page. This is to avoid subjects becoming promotional, and to keep Wikipedia neutral. you can still suggest changes on the talk page of the article, where an uninvolved editor will assess the request.

Also, we do not allow generic usernames for companies, or cities in your case. Something like John at City of Genarden is OK though. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:31, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

A city councilor probably would not meet the Wikipedia definition of a notable politician, unless they are notable for something else. 331dot (talk) 15:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

How can I locate

How can I locate a song from 1978/9 called SS sung by a man about to fly on a plane, all things are double S in the song? 96.59.107.138 (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

This is a forum for asking questions about editing Wikipedia; general-knowledge questions are answered at the reference desks. That said, your song is "Double S" by Bill Anderson (and it's the girl the singer meets, not he himself, who is "about to fly on a plane"). A video is available on YouTube. Deor (talk) 16:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

~~This isn't a question for Wikipedia, and as such we cannot answer that for you.~~ Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer Deor. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Advice regarding new article

Hello, hope this message finds everyone well. I am giving my first article a shot and the same reviewer keeps rejecting based on lack of changes and/or notable references. With the exception of today's resubmission all other ones had major edits. I have based the references both as far as notability and specifics on other similarly themed articles already published,especially for Greek or Greek American Actors. Some with far fewer references and not nearly as reputable. Could someone please have a look at the last draft published and provide an explanation prior to moving on to my next article attempt. thanks in advance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Adonis_Kapsalis GP75S (talk) 15:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The article has been submitted five times and rejected five times. IN each case the note by the reviewer was that the sources do not establish that the person is notable. What the reviewers are telling you is that the person is not notable per our standards. And, as the last message from a reviewer said, it is time to stop submitting it as it will never be an article as the subject is not notable.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: draft has been deleted. David notMD (talk) 17:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Whats good, peeps. Im new to this club, it seems pretty dope. Starting on an article on the 2017 Montana Earthquake. Got any tips with bibliography and putting in pics? I dont know the coding stuff, and it all seems complicated to me. Feel free to contact me via my talk page if you want to help out. Much appreciated.Webecoolalasdair (talk) 19:32, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I'll drop a couple suggestions on your talk page. Cellodont (talk) 19:43, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Queen of Diamonds : wasn't Marie Osmond once referred to as QofD?

I'm positive that it late 70's -about time of Donnie & Marie Show- that i heard of Marie referred as the Queen of Diamonds BUT I CAN'T FIND MENTION THESE DAYS

These days google hits about a singer who wasn't even born when I'm remembering her. It's possible I'm remember references of both Donnie & Marie referred to as "King & Queen of Diamonds", OR maybe one or both was referred to as K/Q of HEARTS?

I'm sure it's not my imagination but after 40 years hearing one obscure reference It's definitely POSSIBLY i blurred edges over time but couldn't have imagined it from whole cloth.

HOPEFULLY ONE OF YOU SMART COOKIES HAVE BETTER TOOLS, can point me in right direction or maybe even have better memories of the 70's ?

Qazwiz (talk) 00:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Qazwiz, welcome to the Teahouse, where we answer questions about editing and maneuvering through Wikipedia for beginners. You may want to try the reference desk. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:01, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Đạo lý ở đời

Nhân chi sơ Tập tương cận Nhân chi sơ Tập tương viễn Nhân chi tính Tập tương chinh Nhân chi sinh Tập tương thể Nhân chi tồn Tập tương trung ... Tâm sinh khí Khí sinh thần Thần sinh đạo Đạo sinh lực Lực sinh công Công sinh tâm ... Thập nhân sinh Thập nhân khắc./. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tư lệnh Nguyễn Duy Khải (talk • contribs) 01:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Tư lệnh Nguyễn Duy Khải, this is not the Vietnamese Wikipedia. Please ask your question over there. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposal to split to La Poupée qui fait non (Mylène Farmer and Khaled version) from La Poupée qui fait non

Are there templates to use?

La Poupée qui fait non

first suggested 28 December 2011

T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 04:37, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

T3g5JZ50GLq, there is. {{Split}} links to a discussion on the talk page. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 08:37, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Asking

How can I edit a semi protected article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngangom Kailash (talk • contribs) 05:26, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Ngangom Kailash, either wait until your account is autoconfirmed (at least 4 days old with at least 10 edits) or post an edit request using the {{edit semi-protected}} template over at the talk page of the article you want to edit. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 06:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ngangom Kailash: The easiest way to post an edit request is to start by clicking the "View source" tab on the desktop version of the article. Then there is a "Submit an edit request" button. If you are on the mobile version then first click "Desktop" at the bottom of the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:49, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

First article help

Hello. Would someone experienced help review my first article submission for approval?

Draft:Kirk_Dudley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renasant419 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Renasant419 (talk) 21:10, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Renasant419: I made a few minor edits to help. You've done a good job for your first article in terms of content and coding, but unfortunately you're not going to be able to overcome a glaring problem - the almost complete lack of media coverage of him indicating notability. You're hampered due to the fact that he's older so things may not be available online. Check out WP:BAND for notability guidelines. Good luck. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:05, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Your refs are name-only mentions that confirm he played on various tracks. None of them are at-length article about him and his music career. I expect this will be declined, and that no amount of rewriting can save it. David notMD (talk) 23:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

See WP:Overcome which mentions the previous point. HillelFrei ^{• talk •} 00:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Tim and David. I’ve read both articles and found valuable information. Lastly is it still possible to change the page title to “Kirk Dudley (musician)” now that I have already submitted? Thanks for the additions btw TimTempleton --Renasant419 (talk) 03:41, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Renasant419. No, we only use a term in parenthesis like that when it is necessary to distinguish two different topics with the same name. See WP:ATDAB. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Renasant419:, have you checked out the References and External links sources used by the Stax Records article to see if any contain extended material about Dudley? (I notice he is not mentioned at all in that article.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.39 (talk)

Primary sources as the sole source in an infobox

There’s currently a dispute over at Kotlebists – People's Party Our Slovakia over 5 ideologies listed in the infobox. The reason for the dispute is that the sole sources used for them come from the party's official website, a primary source. Is it allowed on Wikipedia for primary sources to be the sole source used for information in an infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nigel Abe (talk • contribs) 02:08, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Nigel Abe: The relevant policy is at Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources - A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. DannyS712 (talk) 04:49, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Nigel Abe: The issue should not be specifically about the infobox, as infoboxes are supposed to summarize content that is in the body of the article. I would say primary sources would be sufficient for position statements on issues, but not necessarily to include them as having ideologies or be part of movements that are not uniquely their own (i.e., that are defined by political scientists and which are shared by other people and parties). I'm sure there's policy or discussion on it somewhere in the Wikipedia (or Wikipedia talk) namespace if you search. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 12:42, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Help

Hi there,

I have submitted an article on Draft:Will Roger, but there seem to be problems with it. Can someone let me know what changes need to be made in order for it to be approved?

Thank you.

DamsonArts (talk) 13:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Written as is it does not pass WP:GNG. I would've decline too if I had been the reviewer. It's unclear why or if the person actually meets the notability guideline, a redirect to Burning Man may be the best thing. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

DamsonArts, it's all been explained to you on your talk page. If you don't understand the information you've been provided, we will be glad to clarify it. However, if you are not interested enough in Wikipedia to bother reading the information you have been provided already well enough to ask specific questions, really, why should we be interested in helping you? There are plenty of people asking for help here to keep us busy, thanks. And most of those folks are here because they want to contribute to Wikipedia, not because they want to promote themselves or others close to them. John from Idegon (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Change photo

how do I change the photo on my page as someone added it and I don’t like it. Pauline Boanas

Copey14 (talk) 15:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Here is a link to what Wikipedia says about the subject of an article editing the article about themselves. I'm not very familiar with the process, so hopefully someone more knowledgeable on the matter comes along. Useight (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Copey14. The article in question is Pauline Cope. I have changed the photo to something more recent. I agree that the older photo was not very good. I suggest that you upload another selfie that is in color, better centered, and not wearing sunglasses. You do have a conflict of interest, but if you upload an even better photo and notify me, I will change it for you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:00, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Tea house

Hey !!! Thanks for inviting me to Teahouse . I'm glad to be a part of Teahouse. So Now I'm a member of Teahouse but still I need some more information about Teahouse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanisha priyadarshini (talk • contribs) 15:43, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Tanisha priyadarshini. The Teahouse is a friendly place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. More experienced editors provide accurate and helpful answers. Our goal is to work together to improve the encyclopedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

A question about stubs

Hi, quick question about stubs. Should a stub about a geographical location with at least 2 reliable references be tagged for 'additional citations'? NawJee (talk) 16:56, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

NawJee (talk) 16:56, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

NawJee, I would generally say not. The additional citations tag is for when there is a reasonable amount of unsourced content in the article, and so for the short stubs common for geographical features, there isn't really anything more to cite. If what's there is cited, the quantity of references isn't important. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 21:57, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Alex Noble Hi, thanks for the answer. So, what should I do with the tag here, Ambler State Forest? NawJee (talk) 16:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

NawJee, I'd say that tag is correct; the sources aren't great - one isn't independent - its de facto the site's official website, and the other is just a map. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 16:14, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

All right, I see what you mean. Well, we just have to wait and see if any sources spring up in the future. Thanks! NawJee (talk) 16:19, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Help Starting my first page

Hi,

I am new to wikipedia as a contributor, and I just signed in as a contributor today.

I would like to start a new page for gathering information about all things covid19 stats. I have few question: 1)- I created a template of what would the page contain under Camillebatarekh/sandbox, and was wondering if someone can review and let me know if this would be a useful content. 2)- I read that I can "move" (or rename) my sandbox into the visible page, but I do not see the "More" button that would allow me to do it. Is it because I am still not allowed to publish externally? If not when will I be able to do so?

Thanks Camille

Camillebatarekh (talk) 15:22, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Camillebatarekh, have you checked out WP:COVID-19? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:26, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Four days and at least ten edits allows editors to published article directly, i.e., convert Sandbox to an article. Same opinion as Tennyruu - there is already so much information about COVID-19 in existing articles that it is unlikely that a brand new editor would be able to create an article of value. If you wish to persist, I recommend submitting your draft to Articles for Creation, so that an experienced reviewer can decide. A note: hyperlinks are not allowed in the text of articles, so all that has to be deleted. David notMD (talk) 16:26, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

uzuri ya tarakilishi katika shule za msingi na za upili

102.140.231.253 (talk) 19:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

This translates from Swahili to "computer science in primary and secondary schools". IP, if you have a question regarding the English Wikipedia, let us know in English.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:20, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Sandbox

I am trying to create my 1st wiki article. I typed  something into the sanbox but it is still very rough. How do I save this so I can come back to it & work on it later? The only option I'm being given is to publish & it's not ready for that

Ian B Evans 19:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RandomTyke (talk • contribs)

RandomTyke Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In this context, "Publish changes" should be understood to mean "save changes". It does not mean "publish your work to the encyclopedia". Note that you clicked "publish changes" to post here. It used to say "save", but was changed for legal reasons to better emphasize that what you write is visible to the public even if not formally part of the encyclopedia(like this page). 331dot (talk) 19:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Unclear

Hello,

I was wondering what the difference is between Gallery and Multiple Images? When is each one's use appropriate?

Thanks!

HillelFrei ^{• talk •} 20:16, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Hillelfrei, Howdy hello and welcome to the teahouse! Typically I use multiple images for two to three images at most, and for when I want the photos to be in-text. Galleries are better for more than 3 images, but come with the caveat that they are usually at the end of an article. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 07:28, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, thanks. --HillelFrei ^{• talk •} 15:30, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

For the record: also asked and answered on the Helpdesk. Hillelfrei, please don't duplicate the same question on more than one forum. It can waste the (entirely volunteered) time of responders and in complex or unclear issues lead to confusion. It can also resemble Forum shopping, though I don't suggest that is the case here. {The poster forermly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.39 (talk) 18:49, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

90.197.27.39:Aight gotchu my bad --HillelFrei ^{• talk •} 20:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Flagging a (BOLP) page for (NPOV) (V) NOR) issues when you have (NPOV) with LP

Thanks for any advice in advance...

If you were privy to a discussion outside Wikipedia on a bio page for someone where the page was being updated by associates or followers of the subject of the biography, how would you handle that? The person who is subject of the page, while not weighing in on the discussion certainly is aware of it. I’ve linked the Biography of Living Persons page but the individual forges on messing with the page.

I have NPOV issues with the subject and would rather not be involved. My first instinct would be to flag issues with an editor who previously been involved with the page.

Strangely this is not the first time this has happened as someone I know edited their page to much embarrassment. I guess this happens more than you would think?

Thanks.

HareHereHere (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

HareHereHere The article itself may be tagged with {{COI}} and as an extra courtesy you can leave a note explaining what is happening on the talk page. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:54, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Citations

Is there any kind of monitoring done by Administrators regarding the content of citations for Wikipedia pages. e.g. When a citation is used that has a significant bias or that attacks someone with an opposing point of view is that citation permitted to stand as valid. Or is the decision regarding the validity of the citation left up to the reader? Here is an example:https://respectfulinsolence.com/2017/02/21/how-antivaxers-deceptively-don-the-mantle-of-vaccine-safety-activists/ Thank you for your help with this.Unicorn46 (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Administrators do not monitor sources, editors do. If you see a bad source, like the one above which is clearly self-published, you should remove it. See also WP:RS for what constitutes a reliable source, and WP:RSN for the discussion of reliable sources. Thanks.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Unicorn46: Thanks for caring to keep things neutral. Many editors have long watch lists and monitor articles for vandalism, spam and promotionalism. There are also bots that can correct some vandalism, but we mostly depend on human eyeballs to keep things running smoothly. If a publication is unreliable and/or is repeatedly used to inject bias, it may eventually land on the list of blacklisted sources, and the site's code will prevent the citation from being added. See Wikipedia:Spam blacklist TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Unicorn46: I read the link you shared after I responded. It is a personal essay/blog, and there's no indication the person is notable enough to be quoted as a known expert, so it fails WP:RS, whether we agree with the sentiment or not. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Squad list

Hi there, I work for a semi-professional football club and I’ve put information on our squad up for it to be repeatedly deleted and the page was also locked for a few days. I’ve been told as I work for the club I’m not allowed to edit and that as I’m an inexperienced editor I need someone who is more accomplished on Wikipedia to edit the page as my information is unsourced even though I’m at the club most days a week. I would extremely appreciate help. Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt Longhurst (talk • contribs) 21:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Matt Longhurst Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read the conflict of interest and paid editing policies as you have some required formal disclosures to make(on your user page). You should avoid directly editing the article about your club, but instead you may propose edits as formal edit requests on the article talk page(Talk:Banstead Athletic F.C.) Please understand that your personal word is not sufficient as a source of information for an article. This is not because we don't believe you, but because it must be possible to verify the information. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources state about article subjects. I'm not familiar with editing many articles about soccer/football clubs, but apparently some who follow that article state that squad lists do not typically appear on articles about clubs similar to yours. If you disagree, you should discuss your concerns on the aforementioned article talk page. 331dot (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Citations for the New York Blood Center Wikipedia page: Plasma collection from recovered COVID-19 patients

Greetings Wikipedians, I am new and bumbling and have citations to place on the New York Blood Center page regarding the Covid-19 Plasma collection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Blood_Center I would try editing but do NOT want to damage the Wiki. Can someone help? Citations are these. NICK MOYES thank you for helping me last time. NEW YORK TIMES https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/health/plasma-coronavirus-treatment.html FOX NEWS https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-blood-center-beth-shaz-plasma-coronavirus#utm_source=twitter%20nybce&utm_medium=tweet&utm_campaign=covid%2019&utm_term=corona%20pandemic%20nybce%20first%20to%20collect NBC NEWS https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/blood-centers-will-collect-plasma-covid-19-survivors-bid-treatment-n1174011 Apocalypticwarlord (talk) 23:05, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place for your suggestion is on the talk page of the article. Also, it is easy to add citations yourself. Just click the <ref></ref> tags at the bottom of the edit window, near the publish button. Then paste your source between the new tags.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Adding more content on the 'Asexuality' article

I was wondering if I could add my work from one of my courses to the main article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality). My work is on the Ace Community Census that contains a brief introduction of The Ace Community Surveys and the results/ data found throughout the years. Thank you.Ramen.01 (talk) 22:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ramen.01: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We only add references to work that has been published in a reputable sources such as newspapers and book publishers. This is based on our policy for no original research. The only time we would add school work by a student would be in the rare case where a student's published PhD or Master's thesis was relevant to the article. Thanks for your question.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:17, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Fuller house(Andrea,”kimmy”)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Barber#External_links This will send you to that Wikipedia link about her but can someone fix that page issue with citations it’s been there for about 2 years if their’s not enough information than maybe someone can fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikihowaboutthat (talk • contribs) 22:42, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: The under-referenced article is Andrea Barber. Still under-referenced. David notMD (talk) 23:22, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

1968 Democratic National Convention

Hello,

I recently edited the page for the 1968 Democratic National Convention. This is because in the list of candidates it had, "Pigasus,"listed as one of the candidates. Pigasus was a pig, nominated by a group known as the Yippies in protest to the candidates who were being considered by the democrats at their convention. Obviously, he was not a serious candidate and not considered by any member of the Democratic Party for the nomination. Therefore, I removed him from the section titled "other candidates." This revision was undone and Pigasus was put back as a candidate. I would like to know why Pigasus was put back?

Thank you, Nate

100.36.105.237 (talk) 00:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Your edit was reverted by another user as vandalism or at least what they believed to be vandalism, according to the article's edit history. If you feel that your edit was valid, you should discuss your concerns on the article talk page. Keep in mind that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state- and if they state that this pig was a candidate for the nomination, there isn't much we can do about it. We go with what the sources say. 331dot (talk) 00:38, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Physical headquarters of Wikimedia and Wikipedia

Does the entirety of all the Wikipedia editions online database servers and Wikimedia online database servers, the likes of which are required for Wikipedia to stay online, physically located in the US state of California or the state of Virgina? I've always wondered.

47.152.145.95 (talk) 00:51, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The Wikimedia Foundation has headquarters offices at 1 Montgomery St, Suite 1600, San Francisco, CA 94104, but the servers are not located there in that city's financial district. The San Francisco server is located in the Bayview–Hunters Point neighborhood about five miles to the south. Other servers are located in Texas, Virginia, The Netherlands and Singapore. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Auto-confirmed

when do i know i've been auto confirmed? what happens when im auto confirmed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Homeofthething (talk • contribs) 01:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Homeofthething Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are autoconfirmed when your account is four days old and has 10 edits or more. You have met the latter criteria and are close to the former criteria(if you aren't there already). For what being autoconfirmed means, please click on WP:AUTOCONFIRMED. 331dot (talk) 01:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Homeof 01:12, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Homeofthething. I looked at your contributions to see if you were autoconfirmed and I see that most of your edits were connected to April Fool's Day disruption including bad coronavirus jokes and other more recent foolishness. This is a project to build and improve an encyclopedia, and it is not a social media site. So, get to work please. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

covid research break through at ubc/canada

https://www.med.ubc.ca/news/ubc-led-study-finds-trial-drug-can-significantly-block-early-stages-of-covid-19-in-engineered-human-tissues/

96.44.121.101 (talk) 02:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Take this to Coronavirus disease 2019, treatment research section. Or else Talk for that article. David notMD (talk) 02:30, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

The Bright and the Dark Side of Anonymity

Anonymity has a bright side: It protects honest authors and editors. It also has a dark side, which derives from our imperfect human nature. We all carry along, often unconsciously, some prejudice. A problem arises when we act on this prejudice. On the contributor side, one example is posting malicious information in a Wikipedia article. An example on the editor side is to block new information from being posted due to some prejudice or even lack of information. Both are driven by a desire to exert power over others. Knowing that anonymity protects individuals from consequences promotes the appeal of exerting power; this is what I call the Dark Side of Anonymity. A huge number of comments from contributors relate to this Dark Side. The only way to deal with it in the context of Wikipedia is within the (anonymous) arbitration process, hoping that sound opinion will eventually prevail. David.Tomanek (talk) 02:25, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Is there a question? David notMD (talk) 02:45, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Colorado COVID-19

Hi, I'm a very new wikipedia editor, and have learned the value of wikipdia from doing so. I have a question concerning a graph to predict the number of future coronavirus cases on this page,https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Colorado&action=history Since, I am sure everyone is doing their best to provide credible information, I have opened talk with the user of the graph Ralbeck...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ralbeck Although, he hasn't written back to me, he has tried to fix everything I've asked about. First they had no citations on their information, he came up with sources, some of them were a little odd, but, since he was trying I questioned further, he had stated basically that it was original work. I questioned this. Now he has made a wiki page to prove this original work. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Colorado_USA_New_Cases_of_Corona_Virus_(updated_4-2-2020).png/. Anyway, since I am new, and not 100% on removing this from the Colorado Page, I was wondering if someone with more experience would look at it. I'd like to keep Wiki as a trusted source. Thank you. GunnisonMarmot (talk) 02:48, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

GunnisonMarmot (talk) 02:48, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Not an epidemiologist, virologist nor statistician, but I do not believe that Wikipedia is supposed to be in the prediction business. None of the other 2020 coronavirus pandemic articles for U.S. states or other countries have a Prediction section. I say delete it. David notMD (talk) 03:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I have deleted it. Thank you. GunnisonMarmot (talk) 04:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Translations from other languages of wikipedia to english and vice versa

Is there a function to request for a translation to be made from one wikipedia branch to another? The example that has prompted this is the disparity between the amount of information in the Windeby I page and the corresponding page for the German branch. The only way for an english speaker to view this is to use a faulty automatic translator or find someone to help them, not a very efficient solution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windeby_I https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorleiche_von_Windeby_I

Lukethecat2003 (talk) 04:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Lukethecat2003! You're looking for WP:TRANSLATETOHERE. Feel free to let us know if you have any trouble with the instructions there and we can help. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Correcting articles

I recently noticed two mistakes in Wikipedia articles where numbers were quoted erroneously. On posting I noticed that the changes weren't accepted in either case so this must have been automatic. What's wrong with my account?

Are.u.sure (talk) 08:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Are.u.sure, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edits to Hospital-acquired infection were not reverted by a bot, but by another editor, CLCStudent (if you pick the History tab for the article, you can see this). I don't know why they did this: it looks as if they thought you were randomly changing the data as a kind of petty vandalism - this does happen a lot. The thing to do now is to open a discussion on Talk:Hospital-acquired infection to explain why you think the figure is wrong. I note that the article Ignaz Semmelweis does seem to bear out your figure of 2 rather than 20; but really this needs to be settled by somebody who has access to one of the sources.

You did nothing wrong with your first edit, though you could have put more explanation in your edit summary. When CLCStudent reverted you, you should have opened a discussion rather than applying it again, but clearly you didn't realise it had been reverted by another editor, so that is forgiveable as the action of a new editor. But discussing it is the way to go forward. I have pinged CLCStudent here, so they should see this answer, and be ready to discuss it with you. --ColinFine (talk) 08:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I added a new ref that says the difference was three times higher (for mortality, not infection). So, not 20X. Note that the figure adjacent to the History section supported the death difference not being 20X. David notMD (talk) 09:26, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with references

Hi I am writing a page for a person. It is my first ever one and it has been declined three times. Obviously I am a bit disappointed with it and would love help with choosing references to use which is the reason why it is being declined Evan.Slater (talk) 09:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Actually, Draft:Will Manning (radio presenter) now declined three times and then Rejected, which means stop trying, as there is no evidence that this person can meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability at this point in his career. Your first ref is a one-line mention and your other ref is an interview = not contributing to notability. David notMD (talk) 09:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Subscription Library entry

Hello there.

I am trying to add in a link for one entry under Subscription Library but I keep getting tripped up.

1820: The General Society of Mechanics & Tradesmen of the City of New York has both a website and a wikipedia page but I am not having luck adding a link.

Thank you.

Thomas

Tekaries (talk) 00:15, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Tekaries Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming that the IP that made the edit was you, such a link was added with this edit. 331dot (talk) 10:28, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, the issue was that you used an ampersand instead of the word "and". The link is correct now. 331dot (talk) 10:31, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Adding photo of a notable person in his article's wikipedia's infobox

How to add photo in infobox about a person, when we grassroot level article creater, editor don't have copyright of the photo ?

Kundan Ravindra Dhayade (talk) 10:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kundan Ravindra Dhayade. Unless the holder of the copyright of the photo chooses to release the photo under a copyleft licence compatible with Wikipedia (such as WP:CC-BY-SA), the photo cannot be used. Could you take a picture yourself (presumably not in the current pandemic, but once it's lifted)? If you can do that then, you will be free to upload the picture and license it suitably. --ColinFine (talk) 12:10, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to find when an article was assessed by a WikiProject?

I was editing an article when I noticed that it is in GA class in most of the relevant WikiProjects, but somehow, the article is merely C-class in the Novels/Fantasy WikiProject. I wanted to find out when the article was assessed by them (if it was long ago I’d’ve requested reassessment by that WikiProject) using the “Find Addition/Removal” tool (I was going to copy the {{WikiProject Novels|class=C from the talk page source code and see when it was added) but it is down (high internet traffic?). So my question is whether there is any other way to find when an article was assessed by a WikiProject… RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 06:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

RedBulbBlueBlood9911, That is likely just an artifact of improper formatting/someone forgot to update the template. If an article is GA, it is GA across all projects. I have updated the template you referred to so that it shows correctly. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 07:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, CaptainEek, and thanks for pointing out that a topic can have only 1 classification. However, I still want to know if there is any way to find out when an article was put in any article class (besides the addition/removal tool). Besides, I noticed just now that the Ford Model T page is fully B class as per the talk page source code but when I just view the page it says C-class in the Technology WikiProject banner. Why is this happening? RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 13:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

To answer your second question, if you look at Template:WikiProject Technology it says: "When |class=b is set, all six criteria need to be satisfied, otherwise the article is treated as if |class=c were set." In the case to which you refer, the parameters B-Class-1 to B-Class-6 have not been set. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:28, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

... though at first glance I can't see where in the template code it sets the class to C in such a situation. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

User seems to be mistaken

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Gayor_19

Why is this user referring to everyone as "Hello, Political and economic" and then linking his contribution ? At first, I thought he is mistaking me for someone else but seems he is posting the same to everyone's page. Should I remove his wrongly addressed comment ? Is it allowed. The links are useful though. Cedix (talk) 12:49, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

He seems to be an administrator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gayor_19 --Cedix (talk) 12:52, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

No, Cedix, they have a Userbox claiming to be an administrator. They are not one. --ColinFine (talk) 12:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I have warned them. I was going to remove the false claims from their user page (of having 7000 edits to their credit as well) but decided to warn them instead. --ColinFine (talk) 12:58, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind reply. LoL, looks like some kind of a joke. It must not be allowed, though. People can be misled to ask help from him, considering him an administrator. Anyway, it is upto Wikipedia editors to deal with them. I am here to understand how to deal with his 'partially' useful comment on my talk page that addresses some one named "politics and economy". Since he has signed his comment with Gayor 19 (talk), so I think that it is not correct for me to rectify his comment. What to do about it now ? Cedix (talk) 13:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

The user has been blocked as a sock of a long-term vandal. --bonadea contributions talk 13:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Is Arcadia Publishing considered a reliable source?

Arcadia Publishing: is this considered a reliable source?

Grace, Rachel P. (November 2, 2015). "The Best Ice Cream Parlor Ever, According To Me". Omaha Food: Bigger Than Beef. Arcadia Publishing. pp. 90–92. ISBN 9781625855688. Retrieved July 25, 2017 – via Google Books. However, try as I might, I ran into some dead ends tracking down the exact story from anyone still alive today.

It seems similar to a vanity press, judging by this author's "I could not find anything on the topic I am writing about"...

T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 10:15, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Is there a template similar to {{cn}} like "This section is probably not true"? T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 10:24, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Would {{dubious}} do the trick? YorkshireLad ✿ ^(talk) 10:26, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Arcadia Publishing is not a vanity press (authors do not pay to be published, Arcadia pays royalties), but the content of books published by Arcadia is solely the responsibility of the authors, as Arcadia does not fact checking. I agree that a dubious tag can work. David notMD (talk) 11:22, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

A different question to raise is whether a chapter titled "The Best Ice Cream Parlor Ever, According To Me" would likely yield encyclopedic content. Some books from Arcadia's "Images of America" series are written by local or regional historians, but each title from this publisher should be treated on the basis of the credentials of the author relative to the book's subject.Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 14:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Bringing back an inactive WikiProject

Just minutes ago, I changed the status of WikiProject Poultry from semi-active to active. However, all the talkpage banners (e.g. Talk:Gumboro disease) say, instead of start-quality and low-importance, "This page is within the scope of WikiProject Poultry, a project that is currently considered to be inactive." Help. 🐔Chic dat ^ChickenDatabase 10:54, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

@Chicdat: Have you discussed this somewhere? The last on-topic post to the project talk page was Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poultry#Help with citation on Broiler, almost 16 months ago. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Whoops... I did it all of a sudden, without discussion. 🐔Chic dat ^ChickenDatabase 15:09, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Ways & technique to add language option on your wikipedia article

How to add language options on my newly created wikipedia articles so people can read it in different languages like Marathi etc.?

Kundan Ravindra Dhayade (talk) 11:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Kundan Ravindra Dhayade Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Each language version of Wikipedia is its own project. If you want to make an article available in other languages, you need to go to the other versions of Wikipedia and create it yourself. 331dot (talk) 11:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello sir, You said at Tea house that if you want to add language option on you're newly created wikipedia article you can't add language option but suggested me to create article in Wikipedia version of Marathi language. But sir, many articles have present on wikipedia I saw where on the left side of article. There's a option of languages. When you click on it their a list of languages appears by this link. One can read same article in different wikipedia's version in different languages like Marathi, Hindi etc. Kundan Ravindra Dhayade (talk) 11:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Kundan Ravindra Dhayade Those links appear when the article exists on those other versions of Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 11:15, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Kundan Ravindra Dhayade, you can create an article on Marathi Wikipedia by going to https://mr.wikipedia.org/. To connect the two articles so they appear on the left side bar, you need to make a Wikidata entry on the subject. TryKid (talk) 15:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Ways to encourage peoples to contribute,write & edit on Wikipedia

How to encourage peoples to contribute, write and improve Wikipedia's articles?

Kundan Ravindra Dhayade (talk) 10:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Kundan Ravindra Dhayade and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm pleased to hear that you want to encourage others to contribute. You have the right attitude. One thing you can do is to welcome new users on their talk page. You can also encourage them to come to Teahouse with questions while they edit. Finally, I would also encourage them to edit articles that are interesting to them. For example, I'm interested in keeping articles about COVID-19 up to date as info is rapidly changing. They might like different subjects such as sports or science. Hopefully this helps and please let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Interstellarity (talk) 15:49, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Notability - Albums

If an artist is already listed in WIKI on several albums, are they considered notable? Could this justify having their own page with at least a paragraph about them? Thank you!

CAT6128 (talk) 14:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

CAT6128, see WP_:BASIC and WP:NARTIST. Being mentioned on WP doesn't matter (in itself). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

On a certain article after talking about two people, in the next sentence it refers to them as the latter and the former. Is this okay and should it be fixed?

The excerpt that I am refering to is from the article about the Doctor Who episode Spyfall.

The Doctor meets with the Master atop the Eiffel Tower, where the latter reveals that he had the Kasaavins kill spies in order to get the former's attention and claim that Gallifrey has been destroyed. TwelfthDoctor39 (talk) 18:15, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

That seems fine to me, though I personally would have written "... where the Master reveals ... to get the Doctor's attention". There are more important things to worry about. Maproom (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Guidlines for References addition

Hello, I am a new member for the Wikipedia. I just want to learn that how to add Reference links and citations etc. I tried to add these things (links) on a Wikipedia page but not successfully added because i didn't understand that why the appearance of links are not like the other links on Wikipedia pages. So guide me to add links which gives the common preview on Wikipedia page.

Satyams2000 (talk) 17:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

You'll find guidance at Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate articles

I think I found two articles about the same thing. How do I add a template message to show that?

Zivllosopher (talk) 21:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC) Dominick

Hi Zivllosopher! Can you point is to the articles your talking of? There are a couple different solutions, but I can't know which to use until I know the articles. Thanks! --Puddleglum ^2.0_{(How's my driving?)} 22:31, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I think I accidentally got confused between Wikipedia and simple english wikipedia, thanks for trying to help --Zivllosopher (talk) 23:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

No problem, thank you for coming! --Puddleglum ^2.0_{(How's my driving?)} 19:02, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources

how can we define reliable source Because I tried out Government Websites, Leading News Paper but unfortunately got declined? Thoufiq313 (talk) 18:21, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thoufiq313 (talk) 18:21, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Is this about Draft:Permude? Maproom (talk) 18:45, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thoufiq313 has had a Speedy deletion, a proposed Speedy deletion and a draft (User:Thoufiq313/Al Hasa Hospital) declined. Which is the question about? David notMD (talk) 19:23, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

عميل امريكي -العراق

37.238.143.10 (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia. You may be looking for the Arabic Wikipedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 19:51, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, you have reached the English Wikipedia. You can reach the Arabic Wikipedia here. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Reversed version of the article Insilico Medicine

Good day! Can you please help to assess my draft and provide me with advice on how to improve it?

That’s an update to the article about a notable AI-focused biotech company. The article itself was around since 2017 but was never expanded despite significant coverage in Forbes, MIT Technology Review, Fierce Biotech, C&EN, Science, Nature Biotechnology, Fortune, The Medical Futurist and other media. So I agreed to work on it as a paid editor (with respect to the rules, of course).

I have a BA in editorial and MA in science communication. Since 2017 I have contributed to Russian Wikipedia and I’m a reviewer there. So I’m pretty sure that I can write a good article. I always disclosed my paid edits, because I respect the rules, the principles and the community of Wikipedia. Other wikipedians checked my contributions thoroughly, yet treat me as an equal member of the community and respect my ethical standards and adherence to the rules.

A week ago I updated the article, but another editor reverted my text claiming it’s promotional bad faith editing. I got no comments (1, 2, 3) about the quality of the text I proposed. I believe that all the editors that follow the rules and keep it civil should be treated equally. So I ask you to help me assess my text and give advice on how I can improve it (if necessary). --Birulik (talk) 10:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

You increased the length of the article three-fold by adding tremendous amounts of detail of what Insilico Medicine is and does. After an editor reverted the addition, you properly raised the subject at Talk. I agree with that editor - the added content went far beyond what is appropriate. Also, as a declared paid editor, the allowed path for changing content is to use the Talk page of the article to propose specific changes (text and refs). Then, an editor not affiliated with Insilico will either implement or deny those changes. David notMD (talk) 11:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure all the details are significant. There has been no convincing evidence to the contrary. I can rework the draft and publish it in parts so that other editors can edit it in the current mode. This decision suits editors on Russian Wikipedia, for example. (PS My pro bono contribution is much bigger.) --Birulik (talk) 12:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

If you're sure the details are significant, Birulik, then your job is to persuade other editors to accept that view: asserting it repeatedly is unlikely to achieve that end. (Nor is repeatedly mentioning your good behaviour). Please see dispute resolution. What happens on Russian Wikipedia has no bearing on what happens here. --ColinFine (talk) 14:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

In any case, no one has yet proven that my draft is bad. Because it is good. But no one is willing to take responsibility to say that.(( --Birulik (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:PAID (which you have declared), "Paid editing is further regulated by a community guideline, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. This advises that those with a conflict of interest, including paid editors, are very strongly discouraged from directly editing affected articles, but should post content proposals on the talk pages of existing articles, and should put new articles through the articles for creation process, so they can be reviewed prior to being published." This means you should not restore your contribution, either in whole or in parts, directly to the article, but rather post reasonable sized portions to the article's Talk for other editors to decide. David notMD (talk) 14:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

It’s not difficult for me to do so, but we have a few serious circumstances.

а) Only a few authors are watching this article and will notice my proposal to consider.

b) The author who reversed my version has a long dispute with the Insilico's CEO. I doubt he will argue against. And this will return us to a new circle.

c) I understand that paid editing is a difficult question, but I would like to have a real hope for success.

What should I do?--Birulik (talk) 22:21, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Long Comments from Another Party

Thank you, User:ColinFine and User:Birulik. As noted, this started when Birulik rewrote the article on Insilico Medicine, to replace the existing article with a longer article, and other editors disagreed. ColinFine mentions dispute resolution. One particular form of dispute resolution was then already tried by Birulik, and that is that she did file a dispute at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. (I will note that the similar names and acronyms cause confusion. DRN is one of the DR processes, but it is not the only DR process.) The other editors declined to take part in moderated discussion, so the dispute at DRN was closed. I advised Birulik that she could either request advice at the Teahouse or publish a Request for Comments. I said that some (not all) editors at the Teahouse are willing to work with paid editors. I will also note that Birulik then complained, politely but persistently, that her request for assistance had been ignored for no good reason, or because she is a paid editor, when what she was asking was for a detailed review of her version of the article. I and others said that she has a right to ask for a markup of a draft, but that we have no obligation to give her that particular type of assistance, and that our only real obligation is to be civil, and everyone has been civil.) Robert McClenon (talk) 14:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

So here we are. No one has an obligation to review her draft in detail, and anyone has the right to say that it is too long and gives undue coverage to her client. Birulik still has the right to publish a Request for Comments asking to replace the existing article with her version. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I looked at the references for one small part of what she proposed: "Recognition: Insilico Medicine's AI-based approach to healthcare has brought it industry wide recognition. At the 2015 Palo Alto Personalized Medicine World Conference it was titled the most promising company[13] in the same year the company became Nvidia’s Emerging Company Summit finalist.[14] Furthermore in 2017 Nvidia listed Insilico Medicine among top 5 social impact AI companies and included Insilico into its Nvidia Inception program.[15] Insilico also found itself on CB Insights list of top ten private anti-aging companies in 2017 as well as the "A.I. 100" rating of most promising AI companies in 2018.[16] Finally, in 2018 the company was granted the Frost & Sullivan North American Technology Innovation Award for advances in aging research and drug development.[17] MIT Technology Review included AI-discovered molecules as one of ten breakthrough technologies in its annual review and highlighted Insilico Medicine's advances and key role in that field.[18][19] In 2020 the company was included in the Fierce 15 list of top biotechnology companies by Fierce Biotechnology.[20]"

13 is an interview with the CEO. It does not mention that Insilico was titled the most promising company
14 is a one line mention that Insilico is a finalist
15 confirms that Insilico is a contestant, but no mention of a final decision
16 is a list of ten companies to watch (meh)
17 could not access
18 a mention
19 a press release be Insilico; MIT did mention that AI-discovered molecules can be considered a breakthrough, but the highlighting of Insilico was by Insilico
20 a list of 15 companies (meh)

My own opinion is that the write-up of this section is not neutral point of view, stressing as it does minor and modest recognitions. Without looking at any other parts of the content Birulik wanted to add, I have concerns that it would be more of the same. David notMD (talk) 15:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I also shortened the existing article by 20%, as press releases of financial deals and content written by the CEO not necessarily useful or independent sources for citations. David notMD (talk) 15:36, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that press releases and interviews are weak sources, so I tried to look for duplicate or take the most authoritative publications that really verify the information. In addition, the Recognition section is always the weakest in articles, it can be significantly reduced or even deleted, this will not change the descriptions of completed projects.--Birulik (talk) 22:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Comment on my user talk page

Hello. I am here after a message on my talk page. The content is useful. All right. I guess, now it would be ok to remove the invitation comment on my talk page. Mr.Regalis (talk) 19:21, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Indentation talks about colon. But sometimes editors use * instead of : what is the difference ? Mr.Regalis (talk) 19:34, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

A colon at the start of a line gives indentation; an asterisk at the start of the line gives a bullet. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I see. On this page everyone is using colon for indentation, but then, if you look at the discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse#Creating_video_tutorials . The editors are using asterisks instead of colon as explained at Wikipedia:Indentation. So how do editors decide when to use colon and when to use asterisks. --Mr.Regalis (talk) 20:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

A bulleted list makes sense in a case such as that, where there is a proposal to which a number of editors are each replying with "Support", "Oppose", or "Comment". --David Biddulph (talk) 21:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Now it is clear. Thank you. --Mr.Regalis (talk) 22:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Article about ROSE KIRUMIRA NAMUBIRU

Am requesting for help on how I can organise my article about ROSE KIRUMIRA NAMUBIRU which was rejected up review, I've made some changes, wish its reviewed again. Any additions and corrections are highly appreciated. Thank you

Alvinategyeka (talk) 20:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Rose Kirumira has been declined once and resubmitted. You have successfully created other articles. The reviewer on the Rose article left a few comments. Do you have any specific questions about how to improve your draft?

User:Alvinategyeka - I have declined it because I didn't see that it established artistic notability. This doesn't mean that she isn't notable, only that the draft doesn't establish notability. Also, it still needs copy-editing; that isn't why it was declined. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:58, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Somalia Wikipedia page

Why is there a incorrect map of Somalia showing on this main page? Please remove the global map permanently. I am contesting that there is a consensus for the current map. User (FOARP) and (Kz155) both have taken the liberty of providing incorrect and preceding map of Somalia. Both users have shown biased opinions and believe only they hold power to change the page, please refer to the Talk section on the page. Please remove the map showing the light-green region all completely. 'Somaliland' is still respectively part of Somali Republic (Somalia) and does not control all the regions in North Somalia because there's a disputed region called Khatumo State that declared its wishes to stay in the Union. I do not see Nigeria, Bolivia, China and around 90 countries, territories and regions not recognized by the UN. So why don't those countries have incorrect map on their main page? The North is not recognized by the Union, African Union or other international organization. Please remove the global map from the page.

This is the correct map of Somalia. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union#/media/File:African_Union_(orthographic_projection).svg https://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/somalia.pdf https://www.google.com/maps/place/Somalia/@5.2038057,37.2306352,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x181d2ea7ecd15b83:0x9e393ace5ce9e5be!8m2!3d5.152149!4d46.199616 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/world-map.html 2601:480:4000:A190:AC16:FB56:A9FD:6BF2 (talk) 02:29, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

For changes to an article, please start a discussion on that article's talk page. Read the talk page first, and you may find that consensus has already developed on the issue you are raising. RudolfRed (talk) 02:33, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

The user has posted the same thing on nine different talk pages. Please do not do that. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:24, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Is this image public domain?

Would this image be in the public domain? I'm wondering whether I should upload/include it instead of a current fair use one on The Masked Singer (American TV series)

Heartfox (talk) 21:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Where was that image published? --David Biddulph (talk) 21:51, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

It was published on Smart Dog Media's website, one of the production companies of the show. Heartfox (talk) 22:37, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Heartfox, my opinion would be, that that doesn't meet the American threshold of originality - see Commons:COM:TOO US. It would be quite hard to argue that that isn't text in a simple typeface, especially with the USA having a fairly high bar for TOO.

I'd upload it to Commons with commons:template:tmlogo. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 22:30, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't quite sure if the 3D effect and the texture and grading were original enough. I guess it is just a 3D typeface with a glitter font, then. Thanks! Heartfox (talk) 22:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I've emailed Smart Dog Media inquiring about licensing for images posted on their website, I'll let you know their decision when they reply. KylieInTheSkylie (talk) 01:48, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

KylieInTheSkylie, be aware that companies will generally always claim copyright to anything, whether it is or not. Scans or digitalisations of public domain work is generally where this pops up - digitialising a work doesn't give you a new copyright over it.

If the work is determined to be public domain, we don't need their permission. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 07:31, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Alex Noble I'm checking to see if the licensed it under any license that prohibits modification of the work. I personally believe that the original logo does work for american threshold of originality and adding shading would depend if they have a copyright on the work. For now, I'd say go ahead and upload it with commons:template:tmlogo or something similar.

Creating new pages

I am here to create profiles of all Marathi film industry renowned celebrities Need guidance in creating page and adding information in systematic, fast and organised way IamShindePratik (talk) 16:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello IamShindePratik and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you intereseted in creating many articles as a hobby, or is it part of your job? Good articles cannot really be made quickly.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

@IamShindePratik: Unfortunately, there is nothing systematic or fast about the most crucial aspect of creating a new article, which is to ensure that the subject is notable for inclusion in Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, not a directory. Establishing notability is done by finding multiple, independent, reliable sources that discuss the subject at length, not just mention them in a sentence or two. That means that interviews, social media posts, and other film databases will not suffice. You must then assemble an article, in original language (no copying), that discusses the subject in encyclopedic tone, providing inline citations to those sources. It's probably the hardest thing to do correctly here. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Article declined because of footnotes and references

Hello guys and girls

I'm trying to edit an article called rebecca khouri nassar. It got refused because of footnotes. I will be adding them.

In addition it got refused because of the references. The references include media, publications, book, tv. I just added added their link but it keeps on getting declined because of references.

Floraelmassih (talk) 09:36, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Floraelmassih: welcome to the Teahouse. The draft has a number of issues, including the lack of reliable sources and footnotes, but there are other issues as well. The references first: they include links to Amazon.com, to Nassar's agency Peace Productions, and to a listing of articles written by Nassar at the website politicalparley.org. None of those is a reference showing Nassar's notability and they should be removed. There is one link to a page at the Miss Progress International which shows that she was a contestant but does not support the claim that she won (and I'm not sure whether that contest actually is notable – not my area, but other editors will know.) There are two anonymous YouTube links, that is, bare links with no hint as to what they are about. When I follow the first one, it's a two-hour TV show, which probably supports the claim that Nassar won the beauty contest, but it does not work as a reference for that since nobody is going to watch a two-hour recording to verify a claim. Surely there must be newspaper coverage of the win.

Another reason why the draft would not work as a Wikipedia article is that it is not written in a neutral tone. There are phrases such as "This was a milestone in writing for impact in the world." or "Rebecca lived her life as a faithful catholic and her life was filled with creator joy and experiences." which might work for a personal web page but not an encyclopedia article. The article has to be neutrally written – and that includes the content, so that for instance the "Writing and Research" section would need to be removed entirely – and the first name should not be used to refer to the subject of the article, either.

Do you have a connection to the person you are writing about? Please read this information and in particular this. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 09:59, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Doubt regarding article review

Hi fellas, thank you for the invite. I just want to know the difference between posting an article directly and sending it for review. Josefktheclerk (talk) 10:13, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Josefktheclerk, and welcome to the Teahouse. The difference is that if you send it for review, you are asking an experienced editor to look it over and see if they think it is suitable for Wikipedia. They have basically three responses:

Accept. They will move it to main article space, handling any naming or disambiguation issues. The article may still need some work, but they think it is good enough to be accepted as a Wikipedia article.
Decline: in the reviewer's opinion, the subject is suitable, but the article isn't yet good enough. Usually this is because the references are not good enough (or there are too many poor ones); or because the tone is not suitable - usually because it is promotional.
Reject: the reviewer has concluded that this article cannot be made into an acceptable Wikipedia article, usually because there are not enough independent published sources to establish that the subject is notable in Wikipedia's special sense.

If you move the draft to mainspace directly (which you will be able to do tomorrow, once your account is four days old), you are taking responsibility for making sure that the article is suitable in content, notability, referencing, and tone. Since getting these all right is very very difficult for inexperienced editors, I strongly advise you don't try it. There are editors who habitually look at new pages, and will readily propose inappropriate articles for deletion, or move them back to Draft space if they think the articles is potentioally a good one.

I suppose that doing that once might be seen as a way of getting a review quicker; but if an editor repeatedly puts unsuitable or not-ready articles into mainspace, that will be seen as disruptive editing and probably get them blocked.

I understand that new editors are often very keen to make their mark by creating a new article quickly: I remember wanting to do that when I was a new editor. But in my view, trying to do so is a recipe for frustration and disappointment, and I always recommend that new editors spend a few weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works first. There is also the point that we have millions of articles and tens of thousands of them (at least) are not very good: I actually believe that improving some of these would add much more value to Wikipedia than some of the new articles that people try to write. --ColinFine (talk) 10:31, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Thinc articles

Hi all. Can I ask for some advice? I wanted to contribute an article about Thinc, a Deep Learning library (https://thinc.ai/), but then I noticed there's already a Thinc article about another piece of software. I came across an edit about a dead link and the "Notability" note though. Does this mean that this existing article Thinc may be deleted at some point, or will it stay? And if I want to make a new article about the other (DL library) Thinc, where should I put it? Should I then make Thinc a disambiguation page? Sorry for the many questions, and please let me know if I should ask somewhere else. I do have some experience editing WP, but mainly on the NL one. So I wanted to check before I went off and did things the wrong way here.

Paritalo (talk) 17:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

The existing article Thinc has been under threat of deletion for nine years, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

If you believe that thinc.ai is notable, in the sense in which that word is used in Wikipedia (click the blue link for details), you can make a draft about it, citing references that establish its notability. Then when it is reviewed and found acceptable for publication, it will be the reviewer's job to assign it a name and to arrange for disambiguation with the other article, if that still exists. Maproom (talk) 18:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I'm a little confused though, if I would write a draft, I'd need to start a new article, right? And for starting a new article, I'd need to decide on the title, no ? Paritalo (talk) 10:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Thinc (deep learning library) is fine for now, just to make it obvious to reviewers that it's not the same subject as Thinc. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

locking an article

At what level a user can lock an article?Romizatiion1 (talk) 14:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC) Romizatiion1 (talk) 14:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Romizatiion1. We don't have the concept of "locking" an article: normally all articles may be edited by anybody. We do sometimes "protect" articles, if they have been subject to a high level of vandalism. Only admins can protect articles, but anybody can request protection for a page, at WP:RPP. --ColinFine (talk) 14:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

How can I add a missing company to a site (they are not mentioned there although they are important)?

Hello,

although I provided citations, the company got deleted (people marked it as a spam post) from a listing. They are important and belong to this list. Even the collaborating company of this company is in the list. So, it is obvious that they need to be mentioned there, too.

I wrote the deleting person in talk.

I hope, we can sort this misunderstanding out.

Am I doing something wrong with the citations?

Regards

Maria97531 (talk) 12:14, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

You have been inserting mention of Netcomics into other articles. Even though Netcomics is an article, your phrasing is seen as promotional mentions, and hence spam. The citations you added did not convey Netcomics notability in this area of business. Also, you have repeatedly edited Netcomics, so a valid question is do you have any paid or unpaid connection to Netcomics? David notMD (talk) 13:39, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Maria97531: Re the section title: how do you know they are important? Here at Wikipedia, importance is defined by the WP:Notability policy. Can you refer WP:Reliable sources that demonstrate the notability of the subject? --CiaPan (talk) 15:51, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Experienced user and administrator first approval

Thanks for your contribution and comment David notMD

Please I would love to know. Can I draft an article and privately show it to an experienced user or administrator for corrections and verification before requesting it's final move into article for creation space ? Thanks and God bless you

Samirexz arts (talk) 13:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Your draft was edited by an Administrator to remove copyright material, and then declined once by a reviewer. What remains is a very short draft with two references, one of which is the artist's own website (not allowed). If you cannot find more independently written content about her as citations, this draft will not reach notability. David notMD (talk) 13:50, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

There is no group of people (editors, reviewers, administrators) that operate outside the normal review process of AfCs, which unfortunately has a waiting time of weeks to months. Your best course is self-improvement and patience. On the former, look to existing articles to see how they are structured and referenced. That is not a guarantee - there are many, perhaps millions - of existing articles that are weak, even deserving of deletion - but still useful as a guide. David notMD (talk) 17:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

Gentlemen Thank you for helping us new contributors - My question is who can we define reliable source I have tried out Government websites, Articles of News Agencies. Unfortunately was rejected can anyone expert help me out.

--Thoufiq313 (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Thoufiq313 (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thoufiq313, please don't put "helpme" tags on this page. They are intended for use on talk pages (this is technically not a talk page.) Using a "helpme" tag here messes up the formatting and makes it impossible for anyone to answer your question without deleting the tag first.

Also, please don't put your questions inside comment delimiters, . It makes them invisible to readers. Maproom (talk) 18:52, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

You can read up on WP:RS for our reliable sources policy on Wikipedia. Thanks, --Puddleglum ^2.0_{(How's my driving?)} 19:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Maproom Thank You, Sir. Please accept my Apologies and Thank you for your kind Help. Do we have any time-space for the books published to use it as a reliable source?Thoufiq313 (talk) 19:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, Thoufiq313 I don't understand that last question at all. Please explain what you are asking. If this is about your draft User:Thoufiq313/Al Hasa Hospital, please note that "reliable" is only one of the relevant properties: to establish notability, we also require that sources be independent of the subject of the article and contain substantial content about the subject of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Sir,ColinFine If I am referring to a book is there any criteria like publishing date or etc.. For Example the book must have been published before or on said year something like that.

Oh, I see. No, Thoufiq313, there is no constraint on the pubication date of a book: as long as it was published by a reputable publisher, that's fine. If a book is very old, editors might regard the contents as less convincing, especially if more recent books contradict it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all for spending your valuable time on correcting me. A wonderful experience. Thoufiq313 (talk) 13:28, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Expanding a stub and improving linking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot_Burial_Site

Hi There.

Relative newbie here wanting to improve beyond simple minor corrections. I would appreciate some advice on interpreting the guidelines. I want to do a major edit on Huguenot_Burial_Site mainly using info gleaned from https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/news/november-2019/work-to-begin-this-month-bringing-important-part-of-wandsworth-s-history-back-to-life/. My questions:

Should I ask here or in the talk page for that specific article? If the latter, who monitors talk pages, would anyone respond?
If I expand the historical background it seems it is in danger of becoming a different article "Huguenots in Wandsworth" with the burial ground being a section within that. Is expanding and restructuring a valid approach?
I plan to link back to this from River_Wandle and Wandsworth#History. What do I need to consider when linking back (other than RTFM)?
Does the WBC article qualify as a "reliable, published source" that I can cite? Or should I put under "External links"?
There are other books I can quote but do not have access to them in the current restrictions. Is a placeholder reference helpful? Or should I put them under "Further reading" for the moment?
How do ask for a review of my changes? Proposed or post edit?
What else should I think about?

Many thanks

Mark

Markmclellan (talk) 15:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

The best place to ask is the talk page of the article. It's not a busy article, it only gets about four hits a day, so there's a chance that no-one will respond. If there's no response after a week or two, you could just go ahead and make your changes.
I advise against hijacking the article and turning it into something else. If you believe that Huguenots in Wandsworth would be a notable topic, go ahead and create that article. (I'm sceptical – there's no article on Jews in Golders Green.)
Just link back. That's most unlikely to be contentious.
What's "WBC"?
Don't put them under "further reading" – in our current circumstance, that's even less helpful than citing them. You could mention them on the article's talk page, or include them in the article inside html comment delimiters, so that they aren't a visible part of the article.
Ask on the article's talk page before making them. Ask there, or here, afterwards.
Find good references. Base what you write on what they say.

Maproom (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Maproom, Thank you. I can't see how to thank you other than by an edit to my original question. So much to learn! WBC = Wandsworth Borough Council, I should know better than to use acronyms unexplained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markmclellan (talk • contribs) 16:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Maproom: courtesy ping. Moved reply down for layout and readability. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Markmclellan: If you don't get a response to posts to an article talk page, you can also post a link to that discussion at one of the WikiProjects listed at the top of that talk page. In this case, if your post has a section title of "Proposed expansion", you could post something like:

Input is requested at [[Talk:Huguenot Burial Site#Proposed expansion]]. ~~~~

to a new section named "Huguenot Burial Site" at WT:WikiProject England. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:07, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Contribution due to copyright

Hi Guys I made recent changes on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulleh_Shah which were turned down instantly stating that there is copyright violation. Could you please briefly explain what exactly was the problem. Do I need permission from a website owner to even use the website link or is it the text. As far as I can understand, I was suppose to use my own words. Please correct me if I am wrong and also what does it mean by the alert that "My Page has been Reviewed"

Thanks

Amircoldscug (talk) 16:34, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

You copied copyright protected content into the article. Not allowed. What you should do is paraphrase the content you want to write about and then reference your source.
Your draft User:Amircoldscug/Jamshed Naqvi was reviewed and declined. Reasons why given there.

(edit conflict) Amircoldscug, you can't just text from anywhere else on the internet unless it is licensed under a similar license to us. Adding a link is fine, within the constraints of wp:el, but copying any amount of text is prohibited. You should summarise what sources say, in your own words.

When a page is reviewed in means that a new page reviewer has checked over the page. A page marked as reviews is removed from the list of articles to check, and is allowed to be indexed by search engines.

~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 17:19, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Ah now I know what is involved. I did some changes in the text before pasting it but I guess that is not enough. Thanks a lot dude. stay safe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amircoldscug (talk • contribs) 18:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Article ajilo elogu

Want help moving the article ajilo elogu to draft space. Thanks

Alvinategyeka (talk) 17:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Alvinategyeka: You should be able to move Ajilo Elogu Maria Goretti to Draft:Ajilo Elogu Maria Goretti, which does not currently exist (see WP:MOVE). Have you tried that and, if so, what is happening? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Teaching Page question

Hello everyone. So I have been Wikipedia editor for 6-7 months now and I have worked mainly on the "Current Events Portal". I have gained a good amount of knowledge on that portal specifically and I have become a known editor of the portal. I would like to possibly help/teach others that are new to Wikipedia or the portal and teach them about how to correctly edit it. I know there are "classes" for subjects like vandalism, but my question is: Is there a "class" or a "teaching area" for the "Current Events Portal"? Thanks for help in advance.

Elijahandskip (talk) 17:46, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Elijahandskip: I'd suggest searching and discussing at Portal talk:Current events? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:43, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

New Wiki page for Lucien Thévet

Dear Wiki editors, I believe that I have now eliminated and/or referenced all the subjective comments in my earlier versions of the Lucien Thévet page (which is basically a translation of the same page on Wikipedia.fr), making it more neutral and encyclopedic, so it should be ready for publication. If that is not the case, please tell me specifically what still needs to be done. My request on March 30th never received a reply except for getting archived. Thank you!

Corniste6367 (talk) 19:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

(courtesy link: Draft:Lucien Thévet) Corniste6367, there are several direct external links in the text of your draft. Those are not accepted in en:Wikipedia. You'll need to rework them somehow: turn them into references, or delete them, or move them to an "External links" section. And we don't use «, you'll need to replace those by ". But these are fairly minor things. In my uninformed opinion, it won't take much work to turn your draft into an acceptable article. Maproom (talk) 19:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

2020 Manila International Airport IAI 1124A Westwind crash

Do you think the crash of Lionair's IAI 1124A at Manila International Airport qualifies for WP:N (and for article creation)? The accident caused a considerable fatality of 8 people, and this Google search also gives some reputable news reports, though I don't know whether it is WP:NOTNEWS, many thanks.廣九直通車 (talk) 10:16, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

廣九直通車, I think plane crashes almost always end up being notable. The test I would use is whether the reporting extended beyond that first event. For example, in my country, there are many road accidents that kill 40-50 people but I don't write articles about them, because all the information that there is ever going to be about such an incident is the location of the accident, the route of the bus, the number of the dead and some speculation as to why it happened. All of that is covered in the initial reporting. So, it isn't worth writing an encyclopedic article about. In case of plane crashes, even in countries where no one bats an eye at road accidents that kill dozens, there is coverage beyond that first day. Usually, they will form an investigation committee, they'll call experts from the plane or engine manufacturers and one of the worthy government air safety agencies like the Americans or the French if there isn't a national agency that can do that. And, they will release a report, so there is a bit of additional coverage and details to justify a standalone article. Which category does this subject fall into? That is the determination you need to make by analysing the available sources.

The above is with regard to WP:N consideration. Please see WP:AIRCRASH, and you can discuss with members of that WikiProject, the finer details of what's notable and what's usually not with regard to air/port-crashes. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

RfC notification -- how to get them

I thought I was set up to get regular notifications for RfCs, but I rarely or never get them. How do I change that? Also, how do I get a list of open RfCs?

As a Veteran Editor, I still can't believe how hard it is answer a simple question like this by doing a search in our documentation. I started with:

(1) Wikipedia search bar with "RfC notification" and "RfC" -- found nothing

(2) WP:RfC -- it's not on the page.

Ever since I joined Wikipedia, I have found answering straight-forward questions with the documentation can be a wild goose chase requiring an hour's work. Can we do something to improve this situation? It's no wonder new users are constantly breaking even the most basic rules. I am certainly willing to help, even if it means asking questions like this and proposing ways to make it easier to find the answer.

--David Tornheim (talk) 19:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@David Tornheim: I don't know if there is any RFC notification service. Perhaps the best way to keep up on it is to check at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/All periodically. RudolfRed (talk) 19:48, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Actually, according to WP:RFC you can sign up at Wikipedia:Feedback_request_service to be notified of RFCs. Note that users are chosen randomly to get RFC notices, the bot won't send you notifications of all of them. RudolfRed (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thanks for the reply & info. So what search method should I have used to find that? What did you use? --David Tornheim (talk) 20:04, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@David Tornheim: I did not use search terms. When I want to learn about something, I try to guess its Wikipedia shortcut, which is not hard to do. In this case, I went to WP:RFC and saw the info in the "See Also" section. RudolfRed (talk) 20:16, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Ah. I guess it was there, but under "feedback" rather than my keyword notification. I might add the word notification (or propose it) to the page so that others like myself can more easily find it. Thx again. I'm set. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I’m signed up for the feedback request service and haven’t gotten any notifications in over 9 months. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:33, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I haven't gotten one in a while either; had forgotten all about it. Did I unsubscribe? I don't remember; I think I only downed my topicslist/frequency. Hmm... Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Writing 2 pages simultaneously

I have started writing a new page. I feel that it will take some time before I can complete it. However, I would like to start writing another page which I may be able to complete quickly. Can I start writing 2 separate pages in my sandbox? If so, then how? Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 20:08, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Earthianyogi, you can create multiple subpages in your userspace, as long as they have something to do with helping your Wikipedia editing activities; the sandbox is just one example. You can create User:Earthianyogi/sandbox 2, User:Earthianyogi/sandbox 3, User:Earthianyogi/Draft 1, User:Earthianyogi/Copula and so on. You could also create drafts in the draftspace such as Draft:Copula. You can just click one of the redlinks in this reply, add some text on the new window that appears and save it, to get started. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Earthianyogi. There are a few ways you can do this. One way would be to WP:MOVE the current draft your working on to the draft namespace or to a userspace draft. You simply create one of the two and then copy-and-paste or cut-and-paste all of the content you want to move onto the new page. How you name the new page is up to you, but it's generally a good idea to use the title of the draft you're working on. Once you have moved the content, you can just WP:BLANK your sandbox and start working on the new draft.

The other thing you can do is simply create a new draft page or new a userspace draft page for the new content and just work on the draft there. — Marchjuly (talk) 20:33, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all for the useful suggestions. I am new and trying to learn fast; I hope I will be able to catch up :) Earthianyogi (talk) 21:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Link

Can I link to an article outside wikipedia

Dr.blgreen (talk) 17:22, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Dr.blgreen, if you follow the guidelines at wp:el. In short, don't put links in the body text of an article, only in a separate external links section, and keep all links to a minimum.

However, if you are here to promote your website by adding links to it everywhere, don't. We use nofollow, so it will have no SEO impact, and new links being added are generally reviewed quite thoroughly, and spam will be removed. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 17:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dr.blgreen: If the external article is an appropriate source and it supports a statement on Wikipedia, you can add it as a citation. However, over-citing your own published work is frowned on as self-promotion (sorry I have to mention that, not saying that's your intention, but it does happen). And, by the way, don't shove beans up your nose either *wink*.

If you have a particular page and article in mind, do let us know so that we can provide more specific advice. Do the answers above help? It would be good if you could drop a note back here.

–Pelagic (talk) 21:47, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Bad edits

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 21:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

what happens when someone leaves a bod comment, such as, racist, wrong info, etc...

JavanTiger15 (talk) 20:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

JavanTiger15, when someone finds it they either revert it or correct it. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 23:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

@JavanTiger15: And if they keep doing it so much that their actions are disruptive, we have processes to address that, which may result in the person being blocked from the site or subjected to other restrictions. Pelagic (talk) 21:58, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Why is the visual editor disabled when editing certain pages like talk pages?

Even if I'm trying to edit a full talk page and not just adding a new section, I can only edit in source mode. Is there a reason for this? Sebastian^{Talk | Contrib.} - 04:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Sebastian Hudak, welcome to the Teahouse. The Visual Editor is only for pages in the articlespace; anything outside of that relies completely on source code editing. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 04:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu Ah, okay, I see. Is there a reason for this? Just curious. Sebastian^{Talk | Contrib.} - 05:01, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Sebastian Hudak, you'd have to ask the Visual Editor team for more details, like WhatamIdoing. You could try the suggestion that Rotideypoc41352 suggested below. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 06:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sebastian Hudak: VisualEditor is enabled in many non-talk namespaces including Article, User and Draft, but not Wikipedia and Template. It's disabled in namespaces where it's judged to give many problems and not be helpful. mw:Help:VisualEditor/FAQ says no to "Will the visual editor be enabled on talk pages?" PrimeHunter (talk) 11:27, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Sebastian, I read somewhere (might have been from WhatamIdoing) that Visual Editor doesn't play nice with the wacky way we use colons to indent conversations on Talk pages and similar namespaces. (IMHO using HTML definition lists for indentation is all kinds of wrong, but it's a longstanding practice and enshrined in our Manual of Style.) Templates have to be character-perfect code, so a source editor is a must-have there.

The deeper tecnical reason "why" is that VE uses client-side JavaScript to operate on a HTML document object model (DOM), and a server-side component called Parsoid handles the round trip Wikitext–HTML–Wikitext. (Hope I got that right, I'm not a dev!)

[P.S. WAID, I hope you don't mind me pinging you on this.] Pelagic (talk) 21:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sebastian Hudak: I think if one plays around with the URL, one can force Visual Editor even for talk pages, like Talk:Dick Vitale. Stay well, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks everyone; this was helpful! :) I may try to make a user script to enable the visual editor globally, though I'm not sure. Once again, thanks to everyone who helped! Sebastian^{Talk | Contrib.} - 06:47, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

The question of where the Visual Editor is and is not available is wrapped up in the history of the Visual Editor. The original plan had been, if I recall correctly, to deploy the Visual Editor in all namespaces, and to make it the default editor, and to do this rollout rather quickly. The Visual Editor had some problems, as any new software does, and many regular editors protested having it implemented quickly and by default. My own opinion is that, at the time, the WMF developers were leading and deciding the priorities of development, rather than letting the multiple communities of editors (and, yes, we have multiple communities of editors) decide on priorities. The Visual Editor was oriented to non-technical editors, and technically oriented editors who were familiar with the source editor disliked it. The debate over the speed at which the Visual Editor would be deployed was sometimes unpleasant, and the resolution was the current compromise. That is my summary; others may have other summaries. My own view is that the problem was that, for a while, the developers were setting development priorities rather than listening to the multiple communities. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the pings; I always appreciate them. Pelagic is correct that the colon "indentation" is a significant problem for VisualEditor. Robert McClenon, the original plan was to never put VisualEditor in talk pages. The original plan was to have a good rich-text editing environment that was optimized for articles, and to let some other project(s) create other tools that were optimized for discussions about content and similar community needs (such as ArbCom and the WP:AFD process, which is the part of on-wiki communication that mw:Flow was designed for). Since the visual editor wasn't meant for talk pages, the team never got around to adding proper support for Association list formatting, so it can't "indent". If you want to see it (or try it), then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse?veaction=edit will open the visual editor on this page. It's mostly usable, but it's ugly. Also, if memory serves, the : is an unpublicized keyboard shortcut for setting blockquote formatting (so double-check your edits).

If you're interested in the current efforts to make it easier to communicate on-wiki, then you might look at the screenshots in m:VisualEditor/Newsletter/2020/April about the Wikipedia:Talk pages project. You are all also welcome to go to any of the four partner wikis named there, to turn on the "Discussion Tools" Beta Feature there, and try them out by clicking the "Reply" button to reply to any comment on my user talk page there (e.g., w:fr:User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF) – use this link if you want the user interface set to English). (The devs have it blocked on all the other wikis right now, and I don't know how soon that could change. I wish I could let you test it here.)

The current version of the Beta Feature is an empty, blank box with no tools or VisualEditor-like features (but still IMO better than nothing in a long discussion). As the second screenshot shows, the team is talking about an optional visual mode for it (e.g., so you can see your bold text as being bold-faced), but the ultimate decision will depend upon user testing. If you think it's a good idea, or if you have other good ideas, you can tell them at mw:Talk pages project/replying, or leave a note at User talk:PPelberg (WMF). (Peter's a nice guy and will be very interested in anything you want to say about editing. I don't think that I've ever met anyone as deeply curious about what editors do and think as Peter.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:24, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Question on how to cite musician discography.

Does music artists discography need to be cited? I understand that if the songs have charted we have to cite the charting song but I feel like if we cite every song it would just serve as promotional content? I recently added the discography to Clover the Girl and I only cited a song and her EP that was covered by Billboard Magazine. The other songs I figured if you google her name will pop up and I didn't want to cite all of them but I can if it is required. UndyingCarrot (talk) 00:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hannahnewmarch (talk) 01:09, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Grouped comments together under this section. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Hannahnewmarch! In answer to your first question, this is a forum for new users. Please feel free to ask us any questions you might have about Wikipedia. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:13, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hannahnewmarch: welcome! I see from your userpage that you're editing Wikipedia for a class. As NinjaRobotPirate said, you can always ask us questions here, but I also wanted to point out you can also ask your course's Wikipedia Expert and your instructor for help. If you want some general advice, you can always skim through |our advice for students or the course material your instructor has provided you. Happy editing, and stay well! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Profanities in WP namespace content

Hello, my name is Rebestalic

Are quotes containing profanities and/or swear-words allowed on pages in the WP namespace?

Thank you, Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 06:06, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Rebestalic, is there any context behind these quotes, whatever they may be? Wikipedia strives to be encyclopedic, and if there's no encyclopedic merit behind the use of profanity, it is strongly discouraged. For more info there's the essay WP:PROFANEDISCUSSIONS and WP:CIVILITY. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 06:18, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, thank you for your reply; the place where this quote is going is the WP namespace, not the Article namespace. In clearer terms, I am quoting Joe Exotic for use in last week's Top 25 Report which is currently in development.

Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 06:22, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Rebestalic, if it's something Exotic said, I don't see why it shouldn't be included, as it is not being used to personally attack a user on here in a discussion. Other editors may wish to weigh in on this, but I think quotes like that should be preserved as is. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 06:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Rebestalic: I agree with what Tenryuu says above – the important thing is not to attack other editors (with or without profanity). Gratuitous swearing that doesn't attack others is a bit pointless but not prohibited, but the use you describe is perfectly OK. What would not be OK would be to censor the quote by replacing words with asterisks. --bonadea contributions talk 06:47, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for your quick replies Tenryuu and Bonadea. And as a matter of fact, I did censor swear-words with asterisks, I apologise 😂 His swear words were directed at describing how poor he was and how he thought of Carole Baskin, a person he eventually tried to kill by hire. Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 06:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, there is no policy forbidding that kind of censoring outside article space so you're fine, but since people will find it annoying it's better to not censor. --bonadea contributions talk 07:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Question about removing a reference

Hello, I have no idea how Wikipedia works but, I was wondering if it is possible to have a reference on a Wikipedia page removed if the publisher of the reference doesn't want it cited on the page. Specifically, there is a yearly progress report of scientific research that was published on a researcher's website that is now linked to from this Wikipedia page. This progress report gives detailed information about a research trip, where the research group went, and what the group found (rare animals, such as jaguar). We don't really want that information so easily found as it presents a risk to the animals. Is there anyway to blacklist this progress report from being put as a link or reference on the Wikipedia page or do we have to remove these progress reports from the research website in order to avoid this? Thanks for your help!

75.80.134.88 (talk) 06:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If the report is publicly available, there isn't much you can do to keep it from being used as a reference other than, as you seem to be aware, not making it available to the public(which would only help with future reports). Even if you don't make it available online, it could still be used as a reference if for example you only make it available as a hard copy in libraries. That said, it sounds like from what you are saying(and as I don't know which article and reference you are referring to, understandably) that this report is original research which is not permitted on Wikipedia. If that's the case, it could be removed on those grounds. You could bring this up on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 07:12, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a bunch for your response! I really appreciate the thoughtfulness of your reply. It is a summary of field work leading to, as well as the preliminary findings and conclusions of, currently unpublished research that is now in review for publication. That sentence kind of sounds confusing but I hope it makes sense. I guess we'll see if that qualifies as an unsuitable reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.134.88 (talk) 08:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Given that the research is unpublished, I think that would qualify it as an unsuitable reference. Since the information is privacy and time-sensitive, I would recommend emailing the Wikipedia Volunteer Response Team at info-en-owikimedia.org for the quickest response. Thanks. Darylgolden^(talk) Ping when replying 09:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey Darylgolden, Thanks for your additional information! The processes of Wikipedia can be slightly daunting (at least to me, who has never edited anything before) and I appreciate the help in navigating this situation properly. As per your suggestion, I have emailed the response team so we'll see if I can get it removed. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.134.88 (talk) 21:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

When the research is published, that would make a better reference. Hopefully there will be an open-access copy to make this easier. I know WP can be a bit daunting, but I welcome you and your colleagues to stay and improve articles in your area of expertise (or even just non-work stuff that you find interesting). Getting the sensitive document off Wikipedia is one step, have you taken action to prevent search engines from indexing it? Or is the researcher's site not under your control? Pelagic (talk) 22:14, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey Pelagic, Thanks for your response! I actually kind of am interested in possibly getting into doing some Wikipedia work, I may look into that. Figuring this thing out has given me a much more in depth look into the workings of the Wiki and it has thoroughly impressed me. There's a lot of hard working people here that are generous with their time and energy. I am not in control of his website but I can certainly suggest things for him to do. I hadn't considered that you could take things off of search engines but I will see what I can do. Thanks for the suggestion! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.134.88 (talk) 05:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I am glad you found some answers and a way to proceed. As a small issue here, could I please ask you to remember to sign your posts in Talk with four tildes at the end? Thank you. -- Alexf^(talk) 10:01, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

nowiki code on Anjali Goswami

''<nowiki/>'' is present between each section. is it OK to delete ? message here only for prompt response Leela52452 (talk) 07:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Good spot, Leela52452. Yes, you can delete all these. None of them serve any purpose, as they're all closing tags, with no opening tags anywhere, and offhand I can't imagine using those commands on an article page. (there might be some rare examples, but I can't think of one!) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Leela52452 and Nick Moyes: It seems, too, that the other uses like ''<nowiki/>'Carnivoran Evolution''' are wrong, adding single-quotes around publication titles (i.e., that should be just ''Carnivoran Evolution''). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 09:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Actually, Nick Moyes, they aren't closing tags but XHTML-style empty tags, so they are syntactically valid on their own. --ColinFine (talk) 10:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Oh, OK. Though I don't think you're suggesting they are valid, and should be kept where they are in that article, are you. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:03, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Article Publishing Question: Notoriety Issue!

Hi all,

I've been trying to publish an article that I know clearly has the right to be published, however one user continues to reject it. Now its on the basis of notoriety, saying its not significant.

This company has a clear track record of products, articles, reviews, press (from third party sources), and more. I'm talking a full page feature in the NYT, coverage and listings from tons of sources and influencers (I've included probably at least 8), distribution in thousands of places around the country, and documented interviews and verified statements with the founder. Not to mention their own websites which verifies the third party content.

I've cross-checked with other authors and they've confirmed that big outlets such as these merit this article's publishing, however this continues to get refused. What should I do? The article is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Beyond_Better_Foods

Help appreciated :)

Articlegooroo (talk) 19:17, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Articlegooroo, it's "notability" you're looking for, not "notoriety". But never mind that. To establish that a company is notable, it doesn't help to write on this page about its size, popularity, etc. The only way is to cite, in the article or draft, several reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of it. Which four of the sources currently cited in your draft, in your opinion, best do that? Hint: none of 1, 2, 4 and 5 qualify. They all appear to be based on press releases, and so are not independent. (I haven't read 3, it requires registration.) Maproom (talk) 19:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

The thing to realise, Articlegooroo, is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the company says about itself - whether on its own website, in interviews, or in press releases. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the company have chosen to write about it (and been published in reliable places). Unless you can find enough sources of that kind to form the basis of an article (remember, every single claim in the article must have been published somewhere), then it is a waste of everybody's time trying to write one. --ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine, I guess the question is, how many? There are so many mentions of this company's products that are third party reviews - from dietitians, to nutritionists, to talk about how they are part of the defining group of products that make up the 'low-fat' category, that I'm questioning what makes this seem valid. I've removed the press releases. I get what you're saying about interviews, but this latter category - all the mentions of people talking about the company, recommending (or not recommending) certainly makes it publishable, no? I mean, what else could there be? Articlegooroo (talk) 23:04, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Sources that discuss the company's products might merit those products articles, but not the company itself. 331dot (talk) 23:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi again, Articlegooroo. You use the word "mention". A "mention" of anything cannot contribute to that thing's notability (and even less to the notability of something else associated with the thing). Since an article needs to be almost entirely based on the independent reliable published sources, a source which contributes nothing beyond the name of a thing can hardly be relevant to an article about it. --ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

AfD Log

I have been using Twinkle to review and tag new pages. It maintains log of the tags for CSD, PROD and draftify, but I am not able to found such log for AfD. Keeping a log helps me to track the discussions more effectively. I have checked the twinkle preferences but didn't find anything related to the AfD logs. Any help would be appreciated. Thank You :) Sanyam.wikime (talk) 06:43, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sanyam.wikime. You AfD stats can be found here. They aren't maintained by Twinkle as a separate file linked to your account (unlike CSD and PROD logs). If you regularly like to check on your administrative (behind the scenes) actions, you could pop this text somewhere in your userpage. {{User-orcp|Sanyam.wikime}} It will create the following line there:

Sanyam.wikime (talk · contribs · logs · block log · page moves · count · edit summaries · non-automated edits · articles created · BLP edits · AfD votes · XfD votes · admin score (beta) · no prior RfA)

I hope you find this helpful. PS. I note your AfD of Hatcher Island Bridge. Had you not considered that a redirect to List of crossings of the James River (Virginia) might have been a sensible course of action, rather than outright deletion? Nick Moyes (talk) 09:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your response regarding the AfD stats and the additional statistics, I found it really helpful track my actions. Regarding your note on AfD of Hatcher Island Bridge, As this is a private bridge connecting to a private property, I didn't found it notable enough even to redirect to List of crossings of the James River (Virginia).But you are welcome to leave the note at AfD discussion. Sanyam.wikime (talk) 09:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sanyam.wikime: OK. but as the bridge is named in that list, it seems to me be a very sensible thing to have considered. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:49, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Unreliable sources

Hello, I am confused about my created Wikipedia page being rejected for having too many "unreliable sources"; I have used the Wikipedia tools and have only cited mainstream, verifiable sources (no blogs or external link conflicts). Sincerely, 6witha5wing re: Draft:The Stanley Steemer Variations (by Mia)

6witha5wing (talk) 05:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Less is more. Remove the refs that are not considered reliable sources (Youtube and other videos of the actual video; Klug's website/blog, interviews with Mia, etc.) and see if there are enough significant content refs left. P.S. it's a great video. David notMD (talk) 12:13, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

human autotomy

Hi. In my remembrance, the story of a walker: for survival he had to cut one of his members blocked by a rock, he was alone on a trail in a mountain. Does somebody remembers too? What's the name of that person? (Work on (fr) autotomy...)

Artehjbj (talk) 10:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I do not understand what you are asking. If you are asking about the French Wikipedia, we can only help you with the English Wikipedia. You should ask your question on the French Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 10:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Je ne comprends pas ce que vous demandez. Si vous posez des questions sur la Wikipédia française, nous ne pouvons que vous aider avec la Wikipédia anglaise. Vous devriez poser votre question sur Wikipedia français. 331dot (talk) 10:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Artehjbj. I get that you are asking if anybody can point you to a story of somebody who had to cut off his own limb to escape when trapped. But this page is for help in editing Wikipedia: that question would be better at the reference desk. --ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Artehjbj: ColinFine is quite right. But as your question is in my own area of interest, I might as well point you towards the page on Aron Ralston, and the film 127 Hours, though in future, the WP:REFDESK is definitely the proper place to ask. Or try using Google. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:09, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Merci Nick Moyes, thanks ColinFine. Aron Ralston is the man. Artehjbj (talk) 12:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Why this User nominated the article so early?

I even can't understand why [user:HighKing this user] so curious to delete a notable Wikipedia article. It seems like there is some connection between User:KartikeyaS343 and user:HighKing.

I researched few facts here.

Fact1: The HighKing is desperately saving the article in both deletion discussion: [1st deletion 2nd deletion and this article is created by User:KartikeyaS343.

Fact2: GREENSOLE, this article is recently nominated for deletion by User:KartikeyaS343 and the result was keep but user:HighKing again nominated it for deletion within few days.

I am sure there are more facts available for these user to justify sockpuppet. But i don't know how to find?

I know this is not the right place for this discussion but i do not have sufficient rights to create a sock puppet page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GRIPK (talk • contribs) 10:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

My Dear all wiki editors, I request you to all please share your valuable comments in this discussion.

GRIPK (talk) 10:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

GRIPK, This is not the place for dispute resolution. Although the first AfD was closed as Keep, new arguments have been advanced for deletion and this one may close differently because consensus can change. It isn't encouraged to reopen deletion discussions soon after the last one without a good reason, however. b uidhe 10:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank You Sir User:Buidhe, i know this is not the right place to discuss this but i have not rights to put my thoughts anywhere else.GRIPK (talk) 10:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, GRIPK. If this is a dispute about the content of articles, and what should be an article, the link Buidhe gave you to dispute resolution tells you what to do next. If you think there is an issue about editor behaviour, then WP:ANI is the place to bring it up; but take careful note of the instructions at the top of that page. --ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank You ColinFine GRIPK (talk) 13:00, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help to Archive my talk page

Can anyone help me to archive my talk page? I have tried but there is something missing. want to do the archive Year wise. Jai49 (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

See: Help:Archiving a talk page. For example, I do it quarterly and manually. I create an Archive page such as User_talk:Jai49/Archive_1, then cut and paste from your User Talk to the new Archive page. Next time I create Archive_2 and so on. That's one way to do it. -- Alexf^(talk) 13:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Disclosing COI

I have a COI with a topic, but I fear that disclosing the exact nature of it on-wiki will enable outing. Is my only option to steer clear of that topic in my edits, or does there exist an alternative that would not put my privacy potentially at risk?

Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 15:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Moaz786 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you saying that disclosing your COI will enable others to out you? 331dot (talk) 15:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Looking further, advice on this area seems to be located at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Avoid outing. It looks like you should contact a functionary or the Arbitration Committee. 331dot (talk) 15:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Perfect, thank you very much, 331dot! Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 15:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Advice on Draft:James Haworth

Hi, I corrected the previous comments when it was first declined but am unsure how to demonstrate to the reviewer that I corrected the draft. I left comments beneath the review declined box but am unsure if they will get read. For context: I was not the person to submit the draft either times as I did not consider it ready.

Any other advice on the draft before I submit it is much appreciated. --Cavan Hill (talk) 12:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Remove refs that are links to his songs at Apple. Remove ref that is to his website. When trying to look at two of the refs I got McAfee warnings that these were potentially dangerous sites. Most of this reads like a narrative, not an encyclopedia. Some content has no refs. And tsk tsk to you for moving the draft to mainspace after it was twice declined. David notMD (talk) 12:26, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Cavan.hill: If you want someone to see something you posted on a talk page, start it with {{Re|username}}, as I've done here. They will receive notification. As far as the draft, once you have addressed the issues raised there and above, you can resubmit it for review by clicking the blue Resubmit button. Keep in mind that, after two declines, a resubmission that does not show substantial work on the issues raised will likely result in rejection of the article (i.e., making it much more difficult to proceed further) because of the limited amount of volunteer reviewer time available for the large backlog of submissions. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:39, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:Thanks for the advice, I am wondering if YouTube counts as a reference source when talking about view counts on a video?
Much Thanks, --Cavan Hill (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Frank Battaglia and mikebattaglia

How can I contact mikebattaglia who edited the entry on Frank Battaglia, a Canadian boxer in the 1928 Olympics. Later Frank Battaglia became a US citizen.

Evacasey (talk) 15:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Evacasey: You can leave a message on that user's talk page: User_talk:Mikebattaglia RudolfRed (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

fixing replyto: @Evacasey: RudolfRed (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Spelling and grammatical errors

I have noticed some spelling and grammatical errors on a page that I have a conflict of interest with. How can I request that another editor makes these edits?

GlobalSchoolsWatch (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, GlobalEducation. Thank you for being transparent about your COI. You can make an edit request on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 13:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

GlobalEducation, on the article's talk page, add {{request edit}}, then detail the changes you want to be made. A volunteer will then come along and review the proposed edits. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 13:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@GlobalEducation: If it's just minor uncontroversial spelling and grammar fixes, I'd say you might just go ahead and do them, as long as you're not changing the (intended) meaning. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, all. GlobalEducation 16:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GlobalEducation (talk • contribs)

Will Manning

Once again I asked for help and received none. Instead I was just told that my page had been rejected. I understand why but I don’t understand the standards of notability and references so please could someone give me little tips for the future if I edit another page.

ok thanks for the info — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan.Slater (talk • contribs) 16:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Evan.Slater (talk) 10:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

~~Evan.Slater Hello. Looking at your edit history I don't see where you attempted to write a draft on any airplane crash. Could you link to the draft? 331dot (talk) 10:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)~~

Evan.Slater, you added this comment to a different section. It clearly relates to #Help with references above, so I have addded a header. If you want to continue a discussion, please edit that section, don't just add something at the bottom of the page. --ColinFine (talk) 10:38, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

And to answer your question, please read Notability. --ColinFine (talk) 10:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Briefly, Wikipedia hopes for at least three (two?) references from reliable sources that contain content of some length about the topic. Not press releases, interviews or the subjects own website. Teahouse editors are volunteers. As best they can, they give advice, but helping improve articles is not one of the stated functions. David notMD (talk) 11:30, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, I usually prefer at least three solid RS when I look at an AfC draft. See WP:THREE. I say at least because often editors will add the bare minimum to try and get their article accepted. Bkissin (talk) 16:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

What types of articles are accepted?

I want to start writing articles, what kinds of articles may be written hare on Wikipedia? NndmsNndms (talk) 16:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse. See this page --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 16:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

alter infobox template and removing category on Grace Frankland

Grace Frankland contains infobox person. however, it would like to change to "infobox scientist". however when i preview it shows error "Warning: Page using Template:Infobox scientist with unknown parameter "other_names " (this message is shown only in preview)." according to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_scientist they are correct. should i go ahead and change it. how should i remove "CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list" category ? suggestions or reprimands are welcome here also Leela52452 (talk) 14:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Leela52452: I spent some time unscrambling some of the authors in the cites and the maint category is now gone. I changed the infobox to {{Infobox scientist}} and don't see a problem with |other_names=. I'm not familiar with the Julian-Gregorian uncertainty as relates to dates before 1926 (I thought it was only an issue before 17xx, or maybe in Russia?) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:29, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Can I control editing of my Wikipedia page

We are a nonprofit company with a Wikipedia page. We want to limit access to only specific people being able to edit or add changes. How can we do this

69.125.209.195 (talk) 16:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

You can't. See WP:OWN. Wikipedia articles(not mere "pages") cannot be controlled by the subject of the article. Articles are only protected in certain circumstances like vandalism or edit warring. You or anyone at your nonprofit should read about conflict of interest and paid editing. Articles should not be directly edited by the subject, but you may make edit requests on the article talk page. Remember that Wikipedia is interested in what indepenent reliable sources say about a subject, not what the subject says about itself. 331dot (talk) 16:04, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

In other words, you're not actually a company with a Wikipedia page per WP:NOTWEBHOST. Wikipedia, an encyclopedia, has an article about you written by one or more of our volunteer editors, hopefully based on what third-party reliable sources have written about you. If there's something wrong with the article, tell us about it at it's talk page (e.g., United Way's talk page is Talk:United Way), and provide reliable sources if there's any controversy or question so we can verify it. It's analogous to an article that may exist about you in Encyclopædia Britannica – if you have corrections to make, you tell them and they correct it in due course. The difference here is that we're all volunteers, so it might not be immediate, but we're a pretty scrappy bunch and will try to help.

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Undiscriminating addition of one camera brand in several articles

I was checking some articles on my watchlist, and noted that one user (Evaccount1) has added the relatively unknown Blackmagic Design camera to a LOT of articles. If you think this is not appropriate, I'll leave it for someone else to fix. Regards, Janke | Talk 17:45, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit: I see that user J.M. is already reverting these promotional edits. --Janke | Talk 17:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Stub disappeared?

I am new here. I have done minor editing on several occasions over the years. Yesterday I saw a Stub for Crandall, Florida, an abandoned community in Nassau County FL. I was interested in expanding it because I am familiar with the location. So I created a Wikipedia account. Today I can't find it. When I search Crandall, Florida I get a Page Does Not Exist.

Where is the stub? Do stubs disappear after someone finds them?

Docinaboxx (talk) 18:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Docinaboxx. I can't find Crandall, Florida either as an article, or recorded as deleted (or as a draft), so I'm baffled. There is a redlink at Nassau County, Florida, but I haven't found any evidence that the stub has ever existed. Don't know what else I can say. --ColinFine (talk) 18:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Docinaboxx: Likewise, I looked in all the obvious places for evidence of a recent 'deletion' or removal from the main body of Wikipedia, but found nothing. Two questions for you: Were you definitely looking on English Wikipedia, not some other site? And have you looked back through your browser history? If it was only yesterday, you ought to be able to find some clues as to what page you were viewing. Do let us know. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:00, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

i like wikis

hey, I'm happy to be here! Sansisawesome22 (talk) 18:53, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sansisawesome22, and welcome to the Teahouse. We're here 24/7 to help anyone encountering problems in editing the encyclopedia. Well done for starting The Wikipedia Adventure. If you keep going, there are 15 separate 'badges' to be gained as you learn the basics - you've got four so far. I'll pop by your userpage and leave a welcome message there for you, containing a few extra links to potentially useful pages you might find interesting. Good luck on your own 'Wikipedia adventure'. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

oh, yeah... Nick Moyes I finished The Wikipedia Adventure. but thanks for the help!

yours, Sansisawesome22 (talk) 19:24, 6 April 2020 (UTC).

Should authors be given an opportunity to revise the article an editor deletes it

Hi, I new to Wikipedia. I spent some time writing my first article, but it was deleted by a senior editor (reason: for copying from another source/copyrights issue). When I explained that I hold the copyrights as it is my work, the reason for deletion was changed to the major restructuring needed. I tried to raise an un-delete request by was denied; however, another admin was kind enough to send me back the code for equation, which helped. I have spent an ample amount of time rewriting this technical article. I have three main questions: (1) How can I invite/request a senior edit to review my article in draft namespace before I move it to the user namespace (not necessary to the same editor who deleted it as they may have other interests)? (2) How can I ensure the editor deleting the article has correctly understood the matter? (3) Is it possible to build a procedure where the author of an article is given an opportunity (24 hrs at least) to revise their work by leaving a tag on the article before a senior editor deletes it? Thank you very much for help.Earthianyogi (talk) 13:27, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.

Regarding #1, How can I invite/request a senior edit to review my article in draft namespace? Any time you use the AFC template, your article will be reviewed by an experienced editor.
Regarding #2, How can I ensure the editor deleting the article has correctly understood the matter? Editors who are able to delete material are administrators. Admins are highly experienced editors who have been vetted by the community. You need not worry that they know what they are doing.
Regarding #3, you would like to know if it is possible to build a procedure where the author of an article is given an opportunity (24 hrs at least) to revise their work. That procedure already exists. Drafts can exist for six months or even years. Immediate deletion is reserved for very specific cases, like copyright infringement. The solution to that problem is to not included copyrighted material in your article. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:26, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: Thank you very much!Earthianyogi (talk) 14:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: You said I hold the copyrights as it is my work. Keep in mind that, in order to add material that you've previously published, you'll need to prove that you hold the copyright, but also that you are releasing anything you do here under the liberal CC-BY-SA and GFDL license that allows anyone to re-use the work and modify it for any purpose, including commercial publication, as long as they credit Wikipedia. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP:Thanks for the tip. First of all, the work associated with this article was not published with any peer-reviewed journal or publisher. It was part of my MSc dissertation. Secondly, I only uploaded this work to ResearchGate, who does not have any right to change copyrights of any document uploaded to their website. I double-checked with ResearchGate, and they replied, "Please note that we are a social network that allows researchers to showcase their published and unpublished works, but we are not a publisher or a journal ourselves. ResearchGate does not hold the copyright for any publications on the platform, nor are we privy to the license terms or permissions that might pertain to particular content.". Then, I emailed Permissions <permissions@wikimedia.org> to donate the work in the article which was deleted, however, the article has not been restored yet. Therefore, I felt quite discouraged! I am new to Wikipedia, but not to the publishing world. Earthianyogi (talk) 16:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

To address one of the points in your original post: When I explained that I hold the copyrights as it is my work, the reason for deletion was changed to the major restructuring needed – very often, a draft has several different issues each of which would make it unsuitable as an article in an encyclopedia directed to a general audience. A suspected copyright violation takes precedence over most other issues, and it is not uncommon that when that is solved, other things crop up. Very often a copyrighted text is written in a tone that is unsuitable for an encyclopedia – it might read like advertising copy, or it might be very technical and written for an audience of specialists. Having looked at the text at ResearchGate I would argue that the latter applies – in order for that information to be suitable for a general encyclopedia, it would need to be fundamentally rewritten. Remember that you are not writing for your peers, but for the general public, and that an encyclopedia also requires more neutrally written text (for instance, a phrase like "[x] provides an interesting insight into [...]" would not really be appropriate.) Note also that you can't publish your own original research in Wikipedia. In fact, Wikipedia is quite different from academia in many ways, and from the publishing world – but there are many experienced editors who are happy to help new contributors out. --bonadea contributions talk 17:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

An additional point to what I said above: there are articles about highly specialised topics on Wikipedia, so it is not a matter of not being able to use the correct terminology, or having to write about simple concepts only. The article Copula (probability theory) for example is quite specialised – but it is written more like a textbook than a research article, explaining each concept as it appears for the first time, and using relatively simple sentence structures. --bonadea contributions talk 17:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I think I get your point. Having read Copula (probability theory), would you be kind enough have a quick read of my new draft at URL:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Copula_in_signal_processing?veaction=edit&section=5#Copula_in_signal_processing ? Thanks again Earthianyogi (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Logo

Why can't we publish a logo on Wikipedia page Sir Einstein (talk) 19:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sir Einstein: that's not strictly true, so if you want to learn more about the issues involved in using logos, do read through Wikipedia:Logos. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Sir Einstein (ec) You must be autoconfirmed to upload images, see WP:UPIMAGE. Are you an employee of the school you are attempting to write about? 331dot (talk) 19:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing on Diamond Princess page

I see that the Diamond Princess (ship) page has various warnings/rules about editing it attached. All I know is that there is a fix that seems it is needed or at least should be discussed. I don't know how to go about making this change without violating some wikipedia rule or to start discussion on it.

Change needed or discussion: Two places on the page list "twelve" as the number of people dead from Covid-19 that were DP passengers. Every other source I've seen (Worldometers for example), lists the number as eleven. Even one source linked to that number in the wikipedia page shows it as eleven (although it is translated from Japanese) https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/newpage_10599.html

Can you let me know how to initiate this change, or discussion of it, or just have someone do it? Paulg222 (talk) 19:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Paulg222. The easiest way to discuss this with other editors is on the talk page of the article. It can be accessed by clicking the Talk button on the top left corner. Once there, click on New section in the top right, and finally, make your case there. You will need to wait for other editors to respond to your post. That's all there is. Interstellarity (talk) 20:07, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

An Incomplete discussion from ANI archived

from Wikipedia Teahouse

Hi, can anyone help me getting this discussion back? [Possible issues with Authordom]. The discussion has not reached to its conclusion yet. Tagging associated editors: Irshadpp, Goldsztajn, Ngrewal1 and Djm-leighpark. Regards

Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 18:13, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

AaqibAnjum Looks like the ANI discussion we (5 above people) participated in is ONLY MOVED TO ARCHIVE FOR NOW without any Result Decision by the administrators. Aaqib, since you were the discussion starter or filer, my best guess is the Wikipedia administration should notify you first before any of us. Please be patient. In the meantime, thanks for sending me the alert. This is my first-ever ANI Discussion also. So I don't know more than you. I am thinking how can they leave the ANI Discussion unresolved? Let's wait for a day or two to see what we hear from them? Best Regards Ngrewal1 (talk) 20:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I also ask the Teahouse people here to help remove this confusion by giving us more info or to help us understand. Thanks Ngrewal1 (talk) 20:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Ngrewal1, maybe the issue is that the discussion remained silent for much time. Anyways, let's see what happens. I do also not know, what next? This is why I came to teahouse for help. Best. Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 20:50, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@AaqibAnjum: Any followup regarding that massive wall of text (

) needs to be at ANI. Not sure why it wasn't formally closed by anyone, but that's the place to ask. The Teahouse is really for simple, non-admin issues, not dispute resolution or behavioral problems. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:, I have raised the follow up issue back at ANI. Looking for any good result. Thanks. Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk)

How to make our own pages on Wikipedia?

Please help me to make my own pages on Wikipedia because there are some pages that don't exist on Wiki.

Sir Einstein (talk) 19:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Sir Einstein Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I will caution you that creating a new Wikipedia article(not just a "page") is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice. New users are much more successful at doing it when they first gain experience editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia works and what is expected of article content. I would recommend that you do this as well.

However, if you still want to attempt to create a new article, you should first use the new user tutorial and read Your First Article, then you may visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia. This way, you find out any problems first. 331dot (talk) 19:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sir Einstein: Keep in mind that Wikipedia has over six million articles, the product of countless man-hours of work by hundreds of thousands of active editors over nearly two decades. While there are gaps, there aren't many articles missing that should be here, based on our notability requirements. Usually, if you think you've found something about which there is no article, you might just need to search harder/better, for it might be mentioned in other articles and/or be spelled differently or have a different name than you are used to. If you're not finding the information after searching, feel free to mention the subject here and see what others think about whether it should be an article before you put a bunch of time in on it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:06, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikilinking templates

Hi, this page about Ofo in Igboland is tagged for additional wikilinking, but I can't see what else should be linked in the article. If an article is sufficiently linked, should I remove the template myself or ask an experienced editor/template placer to remove it? NawJee (talk) 21:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC) NawJee (talk) 21:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@NawJee: go ahead and remove it. Someone tagged the article back in 2015, and I see plenty of wikilinks now. For future reference, the relevant help page is Help:Maintenance template removal. Stay well, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Database error

When I go to, for instance, 2007 in chess, or any other random article, even the help desk, it shows this error message:

database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.

[Xou6UApAMNQAAduX2DUAAAAA] 2020-04-06 23:25:04: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError"

However, when I go to edit it, it seems fine. Is this a known error, and if not, how should I report it? confermusearename (talk, contribs) Have a nice day! 23:26, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

See WT:VPT#Error on all non-talk pages at the present time. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:28, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I need help with my article

I need help with my article Draft:Deviant Horror (Hip Hop Duo). Can anyone help please? ShaneCoats (talk) 23:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

The feedback, both on your draft and on your user talk page, gave numerous links (wikilinks in blue) to useful advice. Which parts of that advice did you not understand? --David Biddulph (talk) 23:59, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Saving lives

Do you think Wikipedia's constant updating of information on ways to treat and prevent COVID-19 could possibly contribute to lives being saved around the world, since millions turn to Wikipedia for information, anyway?

47.152.145.95 (talk) 00:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Why not take a look at WP:COVID-19? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 00:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

It could, but Wikipedia cannot give medical advice, which in many places would be illegal.(see the disclaimer) Wikipedia only summarizes what reliable sources state. 331dot (talk) 00:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

hola

hello / hola myself student to hotel and management services for hospitality industry want t know more about maintaining the coram to demoledor remake the link and start writing for the media and wiki Negi88 (talk) 00:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Negi88: I'm afraid I don't understand your question, but I've placed a welcome message on your talk page (User talk:Negi88) with information about Wikipedia and how to contribute to it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC) ~~{}

Article of Darren Prince

Mtennysdotter (talk) 22:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I would like to know if the edits im doing on my article on Darren Prince is going in the right direction?

Draft deleted for copyright violation and other reasons. David notMD (talk) 01:10, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

references with Access denied or 403 errors

i could not find info on Template:Cite web. please suggest about how to proceed ? Leela52452 (talk) 18:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Leela52452. I believe a 403 error is when a server doesn't let you in to view their content. It happens to me quite a bit recently (possibly because of GDPR sensitivities. Often it's a geographic reason, with one country not letting visitors from certain other countries in. There's some off-wiki advice here. My advice would be (assuming you've Googled something and the results look promising) is to post the link on the relevant article's talk page and suggest that other users might like to try to access it. You didn't give a link here, but one other thing you could try is to view the forbidden article from a browser like Puffin browser which puts you behind their proxy, and hides your own IP address and thus your location. (For that reason you can't use it to edit Wikipedia, but you might have some success with 403 content). Do let us know how you get on. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Leela52452: Usually, if the problem persists for more than a day, it's just another dead link in need of WP:DEADURL fixing. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

hello @Nick Moyes: @AlanM1: the issue is with https://www.leverhulme.ac.uk/awards-made/awards-focus/climate-change-impacts-rainfall-extremes-and-water-resource-systems on Hayley Fowler Leela52452 (talk) 01:12, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Leela52452: The page is available at archive.org, which I found by going to archive.org, entering the URL

https://www.leverhulme.ac.uk/awards-made/awards-focus/climate-change-impacts-rainfall-extremes-and-water-resource-systems

in the search field at the top beside the "Wayback Machine", and pressing Enter. This then shows a calendar with the dates the page has been archived (there's only one). Click on it and you'll see the page as it was at the archive date. Add the following parameters to the citation in the article:

|url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20181017001825/https://www.leverhulme.ac.uk/awards-made/awards-focus/climate-change-impacts-rainfall-extremes-and-water-resource-systems |archive-date=2018-10-17

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

hello @AlanM1: thank you

Deleting conversations

I am curious how common it is for editors to remove conversations on their talk pages. Recently I have had two conversations with different editors on their talk pages that they deleted. I preserved them on my own talk page as I didn't want the interactions or my attempts to be lost. I am still new here and learning my way around but it seems strange to remove a conversation. Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps it is common. See User talk:Philoserf. —¿philoserf? (talk) 00:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Philoserf: Welcome to Wikipedia. Editors are allowed to remove anything from their own talk pages, but it will still remain in the page history. RudolfRed (talk) 00:47, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Philoserf. Even though our user talk pages aren't technically our own, we are given a bit of leeway when it comes to them; so, we can blank or archive the things posted on our talk page except for some certain types of posts. However, if we remove comments for whatever reason, it's going to be assumed that we've read them; we could have just decided to ignore whatever was posted or just don't agree with what was posted, but we cannot say at a later date that we weren't aware of what's posted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Philoserf, are you sure they didn't archive them? Like the others have said, it's not bad practice to remove most anything from their talk pages. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I leave some in place, archive some, delete some. I have exchanged comments with editors who delete everything more than 24 hours old David notMD (talk) 01:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you each for the education each observation provided. —¿philoserf? (talk) 01:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

How to get these code insertion buttons in en.wikipedia.org?

The newer editors lack these bottom buttons for code text insertion.

Wikitext mode code-insertion buttons

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikitext_mode_code-insertion_buttons.png

Even on some pages especially on Wikipedia these buttons are not appearing even if I turn off beta features.

The code insertion buttons (those were available at the bottom of edit field) were greatly helpful.

(I dont know if that old feature has a specific name. If you know its name then please feel free to add that technical term).

How to get back these buttons?

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 06:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

PS. Turning off beta features did not solved it.

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 06:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RIT RAJARSHI, not sure if this helps, but have you tried toggling "Enable the editing toolbar" under Preferences → Editing or "Add extra buttons to the old (non-enhanced) editing toolbar" under Preferences → Gadgets? --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Status: Solved as per taking help from IRC Text chat. They suggested me to turn on the "CharInsert toolbar under edit window". I also ticked the turn on the Enable the 2006 Legacy toolbar. Also on bottom on edit field there is an "insert" dropdown menu, I found there is an option for Wiki mark up. It solved my purpose. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 09:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) I followed the advice above, this is very useful. I had Charinsert enabled and clicking the drop down menu brought these links. I did not enable 2006 legacy toolbar. I think that there is no need to do that. what is the benefit ? --Cedix (talk) 09:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RIT RAJARSHI, glad to hear! I primarily use the WikEd gadget so I don't use charset that often. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I use both kind of tools but I use the CharInsert tool quite often especially for Wiki Markups. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 06:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC) This CharInsert feature must NOT be made obsoleted. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 06:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Cedix:No, I further found that option (2006) of gadget tab is being overrided by another settings (2010) in Edit tab of preference. So it did not caused any change. But just now I remembered I did another important change. On preferences-> Beta features tab, I unclicked the "automatically enable all beta features". This option was ticked previously so all the time I unticked the "new wikitext mode", it automatically ticked into the new Wikitext mode, thus was nullifying my effort to uncheck new Wikitext mode.

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 09:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RIT RAJARSHI ok. I did not enable the "automatically enable all beta features". Visual difference and 2 column edit conflict appear to be the only useful options to me, so I only enabled those 2 beta features. To summarize for everyone's benefit, all I did to solve your problem, was to, have Charinsert enabled and clicking the drop down menu at "Insert" to select Wikimarkup brought these links. Thank you for bringing this up. This thread was informative and useful. Cedix (talk) 10:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Here is a related discussion

https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vjz6dbj0jfzuph25&topic_showPostId=vk07w9d6zg392tr0&fromnotif=1 I initiated this discussion in MediaWiki and now there is a response from an user @Jdforrester (WMF): (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jdforrester_(WMF)). The response says a vital information:

". Communities who want special characters should add them in the site configuration, like the [German Wikipedia has done]."

Discussion Permalink: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vjz6dbj0jfzuph25&topic_showPostId=vk07w9d6zg392tr0#flow-post-vk07w9d6zg392tr0

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

This article is being considered for deletion

I got the message saying "This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. Feel free to improve the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to deletion. Find sources: "Christiani & Nielsen" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR"

It has been requested that certain historical revisions of this page be redacted by an administrator under criterion RD1 (Blatant copyright violations), because the page's history contains significant copyright violations that have been removed in the meantime. The revisions requested to be redacted are:

946452190(Copyvios report) to 946452190 (inclusive) 948305231(Copyvios report) to 948889648 (inclusive)

What should I do next? Please help. Puttaruksa (talk) 08:04, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Puttaruksa Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you feel that the article should not be deleted, you may comment on the deletion discussion(linked to in the deletion message), preferably with an argument based in Wikipedia guidelines as to why the article should not be deleted. There is nothing you can do about the copyrighted material, it will need to be removed. 331dot (talk) 08:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Artles mbeiza kisira and kisembo basemera

Some of the articles I submitted were rejected for lack of enough sources. The people I wrote about are members of parliament of uganda(some in their first term of office) and don't have enough coverage. Requesting for more advice, any additions and corrections to the rejected articles is highly appreciated. Thanks Alvinategyeka (talk) 07:02, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Alvinategyeka Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. While members of a national parliament do merit articles as notable politicians, there still must be significant coverage about them in independent reliable sources. It needs to be more than a brief mention. These sources do not need to be online, they may be print only sources as long as you provide a proper citation. 331dot (talk) 08:10, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Pikachu6686/Archive 1

I've created this. Will a bot automatically start archiving this? pikachu - pika - play 06:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Pikachu6686: Nope. All you did so far is to create the archive page. You still have to tell the bot that he should archive this, which is done in a different way. You can have a look at Help:Archiving a talk page for the correct procedure, howewer, since your talk page has only three sections, there is no point in archiving. 08:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with Copyright

Hello, I just created a page on American Society for Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, and it was marked for speedy deletion. However, I don't think it should be deleted due to the fact that is an important organization in the field of histocompatibility, immunogenetics and transplant immunology, it included the history from the society's website as no other credible sources could be found and is an important part of the development of medicine. It is also an education society for clinical professionals so it does not meet the criteria for deletion. I'm not sure how to resolve this issue. I also have contact to the society's president and can ask for the organization's permission to use the text.

SaladH (talk) 15:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@SaladH: In addition to the copyright issue, you need to provide references to coverage that is not related to the company. See WP:NORG. RudolfRed (talk) 16:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

SaladH, we can't use copyrighted text, no matter how important it is. You must summarise the sources in your own words. This is a policy with legal ramifications, so is taken very seriously.

Also, if asking for permission to use the text, remember that Wikipedia is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike - anyone can use 99% of things here for any purpose, as long as they credit us. Any content licensed for use here must be under the same, or less restrictive terms, and copyright holders should know that any text donated to us can and will be used for any purpose.

If after knowing this, they do want to license the text, ask them to fill in Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries and email it to permissions-en

wikimedia.org. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 16:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SaladH, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that if "no other credible sources can be found" then the organisation necessarily fails to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article about it will be acceptable, however it is written. Wikipedia articles need to be 100% based on reliably published material, and something like 95% based on reliable published material that is wholly independent of the subject. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine:So, technically, European Federation for Immunogenetics should not be a page as well? Now, I'm confused. I created the page only because I saw EFI on wikipedia, as ASHI was the first HLA organization before EFI.--SaladH (talk) 06:28, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Possibly not, SaladH. I have just tagged that article as relying too much on primary sources. It looks like a classic case of somebody mistaking Wikipedia for a place for telling people about yourself. We have huge amounts of stuff on Wikipedia that shouldn't be here: see other stuff exists. --ColinFine (talk) 10:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Does YouTube count as reference?

Hi, regarding the Draft:James Haworth I am unsure if a YouTube link would count as a suitible reference when talking about view counts?
Much thanks, --Cavan Hill (talk) 09:00, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Cavan.hill: no, there should be an independent source discussing that. Partly because that is the kind of information that can change quickly, partly because unless a secondary source has reported on it, it is undue information – having a lot of views does not in itself make a YouTuber notable, not if independent sources haven't reported it. --bonadea contributions talk 12:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

PUBLISH OF PROFILE

ARUPBASAK TT (talk) 11:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@ARUPBASAK TT: as an Encyclopedia, Wikipedia doesn't have profiles, Wikipedia has articles that base on independent reliable sources. The page you created was not in article space, it was you userpage, which is intended so you can write a few things on yourself related to Wikipedia's goals. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Looking for help

Hi I am looking for someone that can write and submite an article about my self. Rebekah Shiree 00:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebekahShiree (talk • contribs) 2020-04-07T01:50:47 (UTC)

Hello, RebekahShiree, and welcome to the Teahouse. First, thank you for asking here, rather than plunging in and trying to do it, as many people do.

Unfortunately, there is no easy answer. Writing a Wikipedia article is one of the hardest tasks in editing Wikipedia, and almost all editing is done by volunteers. In order to find somebody to write an article about you, you will need to persuade somebody that they want to do it; which depends on the question, "How will it benefit Wikipedia to have an article about Rebekah Shiree?" And the answer to that depends on whether you are notable in Wikipedia's special sense of the word: roughly, have severl people wholly unconnected with you, and unprompted by you, chosen to write at some length about you, and been published by reputable publishers?

If there are several such sources, then it is possible for somebody to write an article about you. (You are strongly advised not to try it yourself, as you may already be aware: see Autobiography). In that case, I would suggest posting at requested articles citing those sources. You may not be successful - the take-up there is low - but if you can cite several high-quality sources about you, then your request will be more attractive to an editor than if you don't.

A couple of other points: first, note that an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing: if one does get written, you will have no control whatever over its contents, and will be restricted to requesting changes to it. Secondy, thank you for signing your posting; but because you typed it in longhand it didn't include a link to your user account, which would be very helpful to people replying. If you use the code of four tildes {~~~~) on the end of your message, (or pick the "sign" button, depending on how you are editing) it will put it in automatically, with a link and the time and date. --ColinFine (talk) 13:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Demchok and Demqog (both are administered by India, but Demqog is shown as a part of Ngari Prefecture of China)

Hi there! I wanted to report that why is Demqog (located in Ladakh, India) is shown as a part of Ngari prefecture in China? The part is fully administered by India and Demqog is not under the control of China. FlyJet777 (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@FlyJet777: The article says it is in dispute between India and China. You can start a discussion on the article's talk page if you want to make a change. RudolfRed (talk) 18:06, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@FlyJet777: fixing ping. Not my day. RudolfRed (talk) 18:07, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Yeah I understand that it is disputed between India and China but it is administered by India. So showing it as a part of Ngari Prefecture is false information. The disputed part is already mentioned in the article and I don't have any problem with it. But, showing it as part of China is nothing more than providing false info. Thanks! FlyJet777 (talk) 18:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

FlyJet777, please take it to the talk page of the article in question. All content disputes are the domain of editors working on the article itself. There are no outside authorities who can force the issue. If you get nowhere with the editors in question, you can explore other avenues of Dispute Resolution (do take a read). Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:32, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Switching the names of an article and its redirect

Hi, I'm fairly new to Wikipedia editing and was having an issue specifically with the song "Juro Qué" by the Spanish artist Rosalía. The article itself uses the spelling "Juro Qué" and has a redirect for "Juro Que", without the accent. The issue is that the song itself, by all indicated sources, official releases, and my own personal Spanish knowledge, is spelled "Juro Que" (without the accent) which makes much more sense considering that it translates to "I swear that". I attempted to move the page to the correct name only to be hindered by the fact that "Juro Que" already exists as a redirect page. I'm wondering if there's some simple way to move the current article's contents to the redirect page and then make the previous article a redirect for the new one. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Haydenaa (talk) 05:00, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Haydenaa, not all users can move all pages around, I can't either. But all editors can request a move. Do see WP:Moving about issues to consider before implementing a move, and if you still conclude that moving is the best decision, see WP:RM. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Organisation: Priority of Official stance and criticisms against it

I read a page in wikipedia about an organisation. I noticed that its introduction does not contain its official stance but what other's and "Independent sources" think about it.

Should not an official stance be written about first and criticism's and portrayal's later on? What are the guidelines in writing about an organisation and importance level of the official stance.

Ex: Countries' declared boundaries which differ from actual on-ground situation, an organisation which claims to not be militaristic but is called paramilitary, a independent and credible news organisation which calls itself neutral but is called biased by other independent and credible sources. Santosh L (talk) 09:41, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Santoshsatvik. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what any subject says about themselves. It is only interested in what independent sources say about them. See Independent. --ColinFine (talk) 12:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine. This is enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santoshsatvik (talk • contribs) 14:04, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Anime and Manga: Several clarifications from WikiProject guidelines

1. Both reference A and B does not explicitly say voice actors from Anime B is the same as Anime A (they just list the names and roles as is). My question is, do I need to add reference A on voice actors on Anime A and reference B on voice actors on Anime B so that I could write a statement that "Casts from Anime A returned (in Anime B, as stated in article title)." Or, do I just have to rely solely on analyses from reference A and B to compare Anime A and B?

2. It is stated under Reliable Sources that I could cite retailers (of an already released products) as verifiable sources. If Publisher is named primary source, does Distributors that resells or get licence from Publisher is considered secondary source or still primary source?

3. After reading GA-Rank articles like Naruto, Psycho-Pass and Bleach, I could not find marketing campaign under all of them (as opposed to MOS by Gaming). Is it a rare case or a no-no within Anime and Manga WikiProjects?

Thank you for taking your time to review these questions one by one. I would be happy to share my draft upon request.

MHgabbanaMY (talk) 14:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello MHgabbanaMY, if you are wondering why you haven't got a reply, I'd venture a guess that this isn't always the best place to ask specific questions about a topic area. Teahouse is usually good with general questions about editing Wikipedia. So, I recommend you ask Q3 at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga or the talk page of any editor who is active in that WikiProject or has contributed significantly to the GAs you speak of. I recommend you ask Q2 at the talk page of the page where you read that you "could cite retailers ... as verifiable sources", or otherwise WT:OR or even WT:RS. Similarly Q1 seems suited for WT:V or WT:OR.

My answers are, and do take them with a grain of salt each,

It would be ideal if you had the source actually saying that the cast returned, but it is still good enough if you have two sources giving identical casts. I am assuming the sources do not give exhaustive lists of casts, so probably a good idea to say that "principal casts" returned as those are likely the ones listed in the sources.
I would look at it this way: Do the distributors have an interest in lying about anything (financial, personal, emotional connection with the subject), or do they not care? If I rented a theatre and ran my play, the theatre would be a secondary source in reporting how many attended my play (as their earnings don't depend on how well my play does); if I rented the theatre on discount, promising them a cut of the ticket sales, we would have to call them a primary source with regard to the attendance figure, as they are now a part of the team that put the play out, and have an interest in boosting the numbers.
It is unlikely that there would be rules against including anything about marketing. The requirement is that there is enough reliable, independent, secondary coverage; if that's there, it should be fine to add details about how a product was marketed. Do take note of WP:NOPRICES though.

Finally, it would be ideal if you posted to the relevant fora that I suggested and found out the correct answers. But, be reasonable with your choices and you don't need to worry about the minutiae of everything. This is a community project. If you get something wrong, someone will correct you, and drop you a note at your user talkpage. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:14, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Usedtobecool, thanks for the heads-up. I find your responses did clear up some things for me. But as suggested, I will proceed to a specific WikiProject community instead for the same question. And thank you for replying even for a starter like me.

Help!

Hi there,

I'm looking to update the biography of a living person. There are several notable mentions on pages such as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Talent_Time

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHCH-DT

However, the name is not correct, it does not link to a biography of a living person and there is missing information.

Can someone help me with this? Thanks in advance. Harper19 (talk) 01:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Harper19: Which article are you trying to update? RudolfRed (talk) 02:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Harper19, I'm not sure who you're referring to, but we can't use Wikipedia as a source to start new articles. See WP:CIRCULAR. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:16, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for responding. It's in regards to Jaclyn Colville being mentioned for shows such as Tiny Talent Time, Morning Live and Morning Live First Edition. Now going by the name Jaclyn Harper on air. I've created a sandbox to document this with citations but I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing. can I share it here for review? How does that work?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Harper19/sandbox — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harper19 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

You would be best getting a reviewer to review it by clicking on the Submit your draft for review! button. I do have to ask though: looking at your talk page and prior contributions I see you wrote something in the main articlespace on the same person a year ago. Coupled with your username, are you Jaclyn Colville herself? I'll let you know that it is strongly discouraged to write about yourself on here as it is an extreme conflict of interest. For more info please read WP:AUTO. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Harper19 correctly this time. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so very much for your help. I so appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harper19 (talk • contribs) 02:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Three observations: 1) This is an attempt at an autobiographical article, confirmed by one of your Edit summaries "I updated my career life. Highlighted what I am doing now and where I've been working. I also added a citation for being a Hamiltonian." And 2) As Jaclyn Harper (Colville) this submission has already been Speedy deleted twice. If you submit it, I would expect it to be Declined or Rejected (more severe), and there is a likelihood that the topic may be "salted," meaning that no attempt to create the article can go forward without approval by an administrator. My recommendation is delete the draft and stop trying. And 3) You have been warned on your Talk page that if you persist your account may be indefinitly blocked, meaning that you will lose all editing privileges. David notMD (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

need help with some1 falsely changing a page

who do you call when there is some1 actively changing apage with bogus info. just look at the last changes of "List of professional sports teams in the United States and Canada". ToeFungii (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I have reported the IP in question to the administrators. In response to your question if you have Twinkle enabled you can report any users or IPs that are persistently vandalising Wikipedia to the administrators. you can also request page protection if you think it is nessercery. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 14:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Question

Hi! How can I edit articles in English? I can do so easily in French but as regards articles in English, I only have access to the "edit the code" button. It seems to be also impossible to create a new article. Where can I find the criteria necessary (if any) to be allowed to contribute further. Thanks for your help! Anmingli75 (talk) 14:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Anmingli75 In order to create new articles on English Wikipedia, you need to have an autoconfirmed account- this happens automatically once your account is 4 days old and you've made 10 edits. So make 9 more edits to pages on English Wikipedia, and then you can create articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:41, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Anmingli75, In addition to what Joseph2302 has said, are you trying to use the Visual Editor instead of source code (that is, editing text as you would see it when published)? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:03, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response. Yes, I meant using the visual editor and not only the source code. I am simply surprised that these restrictions apply in English but not in French so I wanted to check that there was no other reason for them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anmingli75 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Anmingli75 Every language is a differently run project, and so they have different rules. English Wikipedia implemented this rule to combat new accounts writing bad quality articles, which was a large problem. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Bonjour, Anmingli75, et bienvenu à la Maison du Thé. Please be aware that each language Wikipedia is a separate project, with its own procedures and rules. An article that is accepted in one will not necessarily be accepted in another. Tranlsations of your French articles may be immediately acceptable in en-wiki, or they might need considerable change (eg for what are acceptable sources). I suggest you look at your first article, even though you are experienced. Translate us may also be relevant. --ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Three Questions

Three questions: 1. How do I know if I’m autoconfirmed? 2. Will Twinkle work on iOS? 3. If it does, where can I get it? Dronebogus (talk) 15:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dronebogus: See this page, it will show when you become autoconfirmed, which normally happens after 10 edits and your account is 4 days old: [19]. Twinkle is done in your browser. The page at Wikipedia:Twinkle says it works in most modern smartphone browsers. That same page will tell you how to turn it on. RudolfRed (talk) 15:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Dronebogus (talk) 16:00, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Cutting my teeth with recent changes patrolling!

Good day! Long story short, how would you revert purely non-English text additions? I don't exactly want to call it vandalism, but you know what I mean I think. Thank you for your time! EventuallyHere (talk) 16:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Just click the "undo" button and you're good! Be sure to leave a message about addition of non-english content on the user's talk page. Thanks --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 16:22, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Will do! Do you need to do this for every revision or undo? I undid some spam and vandalism earlier from IPs, but do you need to notify them? If so, does it matter how? Thank you for answering my question, I hope you don't mind my thanks includes more questions! EventuallyHere (talk) 16:25, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

EventuallyHere, Yes, you need to give them a warning, You can also use Twinkle to make things easier, it does it all for you! A full list of warnings can be found here --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 16:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)