Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonic Adventure (series) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 03:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sonic Adventure (series)

Article fails WP:FICT, is full of unnecessary plot summaries, and regurgitates information that can be found elsewhere on Wikipedia Redphoenix526 (talk) 02:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also most of the games on the list are not even part of that series. --76.66.190.62 (talk) 03:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep. Just because it is a poorly written article does not mean the subject itself shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. It needs a lot of work but anything within the subject can be easily verified. Anonymous contributor is right to say that many of these games aren't even part of the series, but that is an easy fix. Instead of nominating it for deletion, you should have attempted to clean it up. Hazillow (talk) 06:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. per Hazillow. The article should clearly be revamped and that would take quite a bit of work but it should be tagged as such instead of tagging for deletion.--Ubardak (talk) 06:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's not the poor writing that's the problem here, it's the fact that it is a regurgitation of articles that already have their own subjects. As I can see it, no amount of work can keep it from regurgitating information that is elsewhere on Wikipedia. If it could, I would try to save it myself, but that's not the case here. Redphoenix526 (talk) 14:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete 'Sonic Adventure (Series)' doesn't seem to be a notable term. The article's viability depends on all these games being commonly refered to (by third party sources ofc) under this term. If this can indeed be easily verified (it seems to me it can't), I'd like to actually see it done. The content of the article is redundant: the games all have main articles. There's nothing but plot content (see WP:NOT#PLOT and WP:FICT). Bridies (talk) 15:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but needs pruning and cleanup. I see trivia, weasel-wording, and speculation, which obviously doesn't belong. That said, it is possible to do an article like this right, see Metal Gear (series) as a much better (though not perfect) example. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Metal Gear series is an obviously recognisable series though. As Crotalus points out below, 'sonic adventure series' seems to be arbitrary and OR. Bridies (talk) 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That's why we have Sonic the Hedgehog (series). It already exists, and the information is already there. Redphoenix526 (talk) 18:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Arbitrarily lumping these particular Sonic games into one group, while omitting others, is original research. And, since that's the basic subject and premise of the article, it doesn't really have any place on Wikipedia. *** Crotalus *** 17:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Crotalus is quite right; this is blatant synthesis. EJF (talk) 19:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Sonic the Hedgehog (series) exists. This article serves a duplicative and somewhat selective purpose. Some information may be salvageable. And Crotalus makes a good point, given the omissions. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 19:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE - I've had a hand in that article, but I really can't do anything for it (I did have a plan, but it just didn't work out), I just gave up the ghost on it and hoped that some kind soul would pass by and delete it! Doktor Wilhelm 21:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A little bit in the middle Keep given the nom's concerns don't really apply to an article like this (in theory). I understand the point about Sonic the Hedgehog (series), and wouldn't mind deletion in light of that argument. -- Ned Scott 03:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is just info copied from the game articles themselves.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 19:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.